fomc minutes · December 2, 1957

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, December 3, 1957,

PRESENT:

at 10:00 a.m.

Mr. Martin, Chairman

Mr. Hayes, Vice Chairman

Mr. Allen

Mr. Balderston

Mr. Bryan

Mr. Leedy

Mr. Mills

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Robertson

Shepardson

Szymczak (first

Vardaman

Williams

part of meeting)

Messrs. Fulton, Irons, Leach, and Mangels, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Johns and Deming, Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of St. Louis and Minneapolis,

respectively

Mr. Riefler, Secretary

Mr. Thurston, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Solomon, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Thomas, Economist

Messrs. Atkinson, 3opp, Marget, Mitchell, Roelse,

Tow, and Young, Associate Economists

Mr. Rouse, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr Carpenter, Secretary, Board of Governors

Mr. Miller, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics Board

of Governors

Mr. Gaines, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Messrs. Daane and Wheeler, Vice Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Richmond and

San Francisco, respectively; Mr. Balles

Assistant Vice President, Federal Reserve

Bank of Cleveland; Messrs. Parsonsand

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Coldwell, Directors of Research at

the Federal Reserve Banks of

Minneapolis and Dallas, respectively;

and Mr. Meigs, Economist, Federal Re

serve Bank of St. Louis.

Chairman Martin presented for the approval of the Committee the

revised draft of the minutes of the meeting held on November 12,

1957.

Copies of the minutes had been circulated before this meeting, together

with a memorandum showing changes that had been made in

the preliminary

draft of those minutes.

Mr.

Robertson referred to the wording of the directive appearing

on page 46 of the mimeographed copy of the draft of minutes, and specifi

cally to clause (b) in

the first

paragraph calling for open market opera

tions with a view, among other things,

"to fostering sustainable growth

in the economy without inflation, by moderating the pressures on bank

reserves." He did not recall voting to approve that part of the clause

following the comma which called for "moderating the pressures on bank

reserves."

Mr. Riefler stated that the wording of clause (b) as recorded in

the minutes was the wording arrived at in the discussion at the meeting

on November 12 and that the wording had been read a number of times

during the discussion.

There had been no indication of dissent from

that wording when the Chairman had called for comments regarding the

change.

Mr. Robertson stated that he had not understood that the direc

tive adopted at the November 12 meeting was to have inserted in

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the clause "by moderating the pressures on bank reserves."

so understood, he would have voted against it.

If he had

Consequently, he wished

to have the minutes of that meeting show his adverse vote and the

reason therefor.

There was a discussion of the procedure followed in

arriving

at the change in wording of the directive at the November 12 meeting,

in the course of which Chairman Martin said that, while this was an

"after the fact" discussion, the minutes of the November 12 meeting

had not been approved and he could see no objection to having anybody

who wished to do so clarify the statement of his views both for the

minutes and for the record of policy actions that would be published in

the Board's Annual Report for the year 1957.

Mr. Shepardson said that he would like to have included in the

minutes of the November 12 meeting a comment that he had made and which

the Secretary had informed him was included in notes of the meeting but

which had not been set out in the minutes.

This was a detail that he

had not noted when the preliminary draft of the November 12 minutes

was sent to him because he did not read the minutes in

full at that

time.

Chairman Martin stated that he saw no objection to including

such a comment in the minutes.

He suggested that, under the circum

stances, approval of the November 12 minutes be held over until the

next meeting of the Committee and that another revision be distributed

so that the members of the Committee would have the exact wording of

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the changes before acting to improve the minutes.

Chairman Martin

went on to say that it was incumbent on all members of the Committee

to read the drafts of minutes as they came around and to get their

suggestions in

before the meeting at which the minutes were to be

presented for approval, or, if that was not possible, to ask that they

be held up until they had had an opportunity to suggest revisions.

Otherwise, the Chairman felt there was danger that the Committee would

not have an accurate record of its

It

meetings.

was understood that the procedure suggested by Chairman

Martin would be followed.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report prepared at the Federal Reserve Bank of New

York covering open market operations during the period November 9

through November 26, 1957, and a supplementary report covering commit

ments executed November 27 through December 2, 1957.

Copies of both

reports have been placed in the files of the Federal Open Market Com

mittee.

Commenting on operations since the November 12 meeting, Mr.

Rouse pointed out that the directive and instructions adopted by the

Committee at that meeting contemplated a different set of circumstances

than those that actually developed following the change in discount

rates.

Acting within the new circumstances emerging from the discount

rate action, the Account Management carried out the instructions of the

Committee,

although at times there had been differences between the

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actual reserve statistics and those discussed

at

Mr.

the last meeting.

Rouse reported that he had not been too much concerned about the

higher-than-anticipated net borrowed reserve figures this past week

since to have attempted to reduce them in

the prevailing bullish

atmosphere would have made the System look silly in the market.

The

change in the discount rate had a definite easing effect on market

psychology.

Also, active rumors that reserve requirements would be

changed had been an easing influence during the past week, as had been

the relatively easy reserve position of the New York banks.

In supply

ing reserves to the market, Mr. Rouse reported that as much as possible

had been done through repurchase agreements in order to make it

easier

to withdraw these reserves if that should be advisable later,

Mr. Rouse went on to say that the projections suggest the need

for a rather sizable release of reserves through open market operations

during the next few weeks.

To the extent possible, these funds also

would be supplied through repurchase agreements, so that the withdrawal

of reserves after the end of the year would be simplified.

With respect to the Treasury financing, Mr. Rouse reported that

the refunding was definitely successful, but the attrition, while rela

tively small, was still

surprisingly large.

There must have been a good

many small blocks of the December 1 certificates on which the profit to

be made by selling "rights" at a 6/32nd premium was not sufficient to

justify the effort of selling them.

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Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the open

market transactions during the period

November 9 through December 2, 1957, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Prior to this meeting there had been distributed copies of (a)

a letter from Congressman Abraham J. Multer, dated November 22, 1957,

addressed to Chairman Martin, requesting copies of the daily reports

of dealers'

operations in U. S.

Government securities for each of the

17 bank and nonbank dealers who trade in Government securities with the

System Open Market Account covering the days November 11-15,

1957, and

(b) a letter from Congressman Wright Patman, dated November 26, 1957,

referring to the photostatic copies of records of transactions of the

System Open Market Account transmitted with Chairman Martin's letter

of November 12,

1957,

and requesting additional information and

explanations concerning not only transactions for the System Open Market

Account but also concerning bids submitted by Government securities

dealers in the Monday Treasury bill

auctions.

Chairman Martin said that he would like to have an expression

of views concerning the handling of these letters.

He felt that the

Federal Reserve should be reasonable in supplying information, but he

thought some of the requests being made by Mr. Patman and others might

go beyond what the System reasonably could be expected to supply.

Mr. Hayes said that he and members of the staff at the New York

Bank had studied the requests of Messrs.

Multer and Patman carefully.

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With respect to Mr. Multer's request, Mr.

Hayes said that he felt it

could be turned down quickly and positively because it

was a request

to reveal information which the System account received on a strictly

confidential basis.

There seemed to be no question but that there was

reasonable grounds for refusing to disclose the requested information.

With respect to Mr. Patman's letter, Mr. Hayes said that some

of the data might represent a reasonable request and might be helpful

in understanding more about the System's operations.

He felt that in

general it would be desirable to take a little time in studying this

request and in preparing whatever response seemed appropriate.

It was

Mr. Hayes' thought that the Secretary of the Committee, in consultation

with the Chairman, the Vice Chairman, and the Manager, might work up a

draft of letter for consideration at a later meeting.

At Mr. Hayes' request, Mr. Rouse then commented in some detail

on Mr. Patman's letter, after which there was a general discussion of

the requested material.

for dealers'

bids in

In connection with discussion of the request

the Monday Treasury bill

auctions,

it

was sug

gested and agreed that this was not Open Market Committee record

material and that any request for such information would properly have

to be directed to the Treasury Department.

Regarding Mr. Patman's

request for information on System account tansactions up to June 30,

1957 rather than to the end of 1956,

one view was that there might be

no objection to providing information to that date in view of subsequent

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developments in

System credit policy, while another view was that no

information should be given regarding transactions until the open

market policy record required by section 10 of the Federal Reserve

Act to be included in

the Annual Report of the Board of Governors

to the Congress had been submitted and made public.

After discussion, Chairman Martin stated that the suggestion

Mr. Hayes had made for denying Congressman Multer's request for informa

tion regarding dealers' operations on the grounds that the information

was strictly confidential seemed an appropriate way to dispose of that

matter.

With respect to Mr. Patman's request, he suggested that in

line with Mr. Hayes' proposal, Messrs. Riefler and Rouse be requested

to prepare a draft of reply in the light of the discussion at this

meeting for consideration at a later meeting of the Committee.

There was agreement with these suggestions, and it was under

stood that appropriate drafts of letters would be prepared.

During this discussion, Mr. Szymczak withdrew from the meeting.

In this connection, Mr. Riefler noted that drafts of replies to

the list of questions submitted by Congressman Patman to Chairman Martin

on August 6, 1957 when he appeared before the House Banking and Currency

Committee in connection with the Financial Institutions Act of 1957 were

largely completed and that they would be circulated to the members of

the Committee within the near future.

Chairman Martin next referred to a telegram that had been sent

by the Secretary on November 25, 1957, to the available Committee members

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and to the Presidents who are not currently members suggesting that

because the Treasury expected that it

would be necessary to borrow

temporarily from the System at times during December it

would be

appropriate to reconsider the rate of interest at which special

certificates of indebtedness are purchased from the Treasury under

the authority contained in

the second paragraph of the Committee's

directive to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

The telegram

noted that the rate charged for this facility--currently 1/4 per cent

was last approved by the Federal Open Market Committee at its

meeting

on June 28, 1949, and that the facility was last used in March 1954.

The Manager of the System Open Market Account had recommended that,

considering the existing market rates of interest, the rate on special

certificates of indebtedness purchased direct from the Treasury be

increased to a level 1/4

per cent under the discount rate of the Fed

eral Reserve Bank of New York, and the Secretary concurred in this

recommendation.

The telegram also stated that the Treasury was agree

able to this rate.

Chairman Martin said that at the time the telegram was sent, it

appeared that the Treasury would wish to use the facility in December

and that in order to have a changed rate effective, a Committee decision

would have been needed that week.

However,

it

had developed that the

Treasury would not use the facility immediately and the matter had there

fore been held over for consideration at this meeting.

Chairman Martin

went on to say that the Treasury had been trying to put all Government

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transactions on a realistic interest bearing basis and that the sug

gestion to have these special certificates carry a rate 1/4 per cent

below the discount rate would seem to be in

Treasury position.

line with the general

There had also been some discussion of whether

the rate for the Treasury's borrowings from the Federal Reserve might

preferably be 1/2 per cent below the discount rate.

On the other hand,

the Chairman said that some individuals had spoken to him, indicating

that they were inclined to keep the existing rate of 1/4

of 1 per cent

on the grounds that such Treasury borrowings were strictly an emergency

operation.

Chairman Martin said that he had no strong feeling about

the question, although he was inclined to feel that if

this type of

borrowing were to be put on a business basis a rate either 1/4 or 1/2

per cent below the discount rate would be appropriate.

Mr. Rouse commented on the origin of the 1/4 of 1 per cent rate,

stating that when it was established in the 1940s it was with the thought

that the principle of having the Treasury pay a rate of interest should

be maintained.

Several months ago, the question had come up in a discus

sion with Mr. William Heffelfinger of the Treasury and out of that

discussion arose the suggestion that the rate charged on these special

certificates be placed on a more realistic basis.

There was no immediate

need to use the facility, Mr. Rouse said, but a short time ago when it

appeared that the Treasury would need to borrow direct from the Federal

Reserve Banks during December the question was brought up again..

Mr.

Rouse said he thought the suggestion of a rate 1/4 per cent below the

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discount rate was one he would recommend, which he did, and Mr. Riefler

had joined him in the recommendation.

He noted that these were trans

actions between two Governmental bodies and stated that for such trans

actions it seemed appropriate to have a rate slightly different from

that charged private borrowers.

Mr. Hayes added that the Treasury certificates of indebtedness

were comparable to very short-term Treasury bills, which usually sold at

a rate less than the discount rate.

Mr. Vardaman said that in suggesting a rate below the discount

rate, he had in mind the fact that borrowings by the Treasury from the

Federal Reserve were properly considered temporary emergency borrowings.

He suggested that there might be an unwarranted attack on the System if

it

charged the Treasury a rate for emergency borrowings that was charged

private borrowers.

At the same time, he believed that it would not be

realistic to charge only 1/4 of 1 per cent on such borrowings,

consider

ing the general structure of rates now prevailing.

Chairman Martin said that on a strictly business basis, the bor

rowings of the Treasury on the temporary certificates should be at a

lower rate than the discount rate.

of a rate 1/

He felt, therefore, that the setting

or 1/2 per cent below the discount rate could be justified.

Mr. Mills inquired whether there would be any merit to a formula

that would set the discount rate as a maximum on these borrowings by the

Treasury, with a minimum rate being that which applied on the latest

issue of Treasury bills, presuming, of course, that that rate was below

the discount rate.

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Hr. Riefler said that this had been considered.

The only

problem was that before the Treasury reached the point of using

this facility it

usually had made other adjustments such as use of

the Stabilization Fund which forced down the bill rate.

the rate on the latest bill issue were to be used in

it

Thus, if

the formula,

might get us into problems.

Mr. Allen said that he did not think it

made too much dif

ference what rate was charged on these borrowings.

He would go along

with the comments of Mr. Vardaman that the rate should be below that

charged private borrowers,

and he said that an offhand reaction on

his part would have been that the rate charged the Treasury might be

set at, say, 2 per cent,

Mr. Robertson said he thought this was a lot to do about

nothing.

The only importance was from the public relations standpoint.

Regardless of the rate charged, 90 per cent of any earnings that the

System got from such borrowings went to the Treasury and the actual

cost to the Treasury could not be of much importance.

He understood

there had been a time in the 1920s when the rate charged on these

special borrowings by the Treasury was related to the discount rate

and that it

got as high as 4 per cent or perhaps higher.

The System

had not had authority to purchase securities direct from theTreasury

for several years from the 1930s up until 1942.

The rate of 1/4 per

cent was fixed after limited authority for direct purchases was pro

vided in

Section 14 (b) of the Federal Reserve Act in 1942,

and it

had

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remained unchanged since.

Since these direct borrowings by the

Treasury could be termed emergency in nature,

Mr. Robertson thought

there was much to be said for considering that the use of the facility

was for the benefit of the whole country.

Philosophically, he could

not see any reason for any interest charge on such emergency-nature

transactions, although he would not argue against the present 1/4

per cent rate.

He did feel, however, that the direct borrowings

should be kept on an emergency use basis, and he thought the present

charge of 1/4 per cent would help do that.

It represented some charge

to the Treasury, but it was not a market rate and did not put the charge

on a business incentive basis.

Therefore,

his judgment would be to let

the present rate stand since he could not see that it

did any harm or

that a change would do any particular good.

Mr. Thomas commented that when the 1/4 per cent rate on direct

Treasury borrowings was set in the 1940s it was related to the discount

rate in the sense that the discount rate was then 1/2 of 1 per cent and

the System stood ready to purchase Treasury bills at 3/8th of 1 per cent

on option.

Chairman Martin said he thought Mr. Robertson had made the case

for the status quo as well as it could be made,

He did not agree wish

the logic of that case because he believed that the rate should be re

lated to the whole business process. As Mr. Thomas had pointed out,

the history of the rate had been related to the discount rate.

It

seemed to him that some relationship between the rate charged the

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Treasury on direct borrowings and the discount rate was preferable

to the existing procedure.

On the other hand, Mr. Robertson had

eloquently presented the reasons for the status quo.

It should also

be noted that the Treasury was agreeable to a rate that would be 1/4

of 1 per cent below the discount rate.

Commenting further on this

point, in response to a question from Mr. Leach as to whether the

Treasury had actually suggested this arrangement, Chairman Martin

said that he would not go that far but would say that the Treasury

was perfectly agreeable to the proposed change.

Mr. Hayes said that he felt the question was not of great

importance but he rather preferred the procedure of fixing a differ

ential that would move with the discount rate.

If the practice of

charging practically nothing for the use of this facility were extended

along the lines of Mr. Robertson's comments, the question could be

raised as to whether anything done through the Open Market Account

should have a market rate.

On balance, Mr. Hayes thought it preferable

to relate this rate to the discount rate, and a differential of 1/4

per cent below the discount rate seemed as good as any other.

Mr. Shepardson said that it

seemed to him there was sound logic

for putting this rate on a business basis in line with what the Treasury

was doing generally.

There would be justification for putting it

the discount rate, but in

view of the lower rate usually available

at

n

very short-term Treasury bills he thought the differential 1/4 per cent

below the discount rate was logical.

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Mr.

Deming felt the status quo position was preferable.

The quarter per cent rate had applied for ten years and he could

see little reason for changing it

now and possibly stirring up

unnecessary discussion.

During further discussion, Chairman Martin indicated that,

while he did not consider the matter of great importance, he was

willing to take the risk of having to explain the basis for a change

in the rate before a Committee of Congress,

He thought it

if called upon to do so.

could be explained as a reasonable move.

Chairman Martin then noted that the Committee had before it

a recommendation from the Manager of the System Open Market Account

and from the Secretary of the Committee that the rate charged on

special short-term certificates of indebtedness purchased direct from

the Treasury pursuant to paragraph (2) of the Committee's directive

to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York be fixed at 1/4 of 1 per cent

below the discount rate of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at

the time of such purchases.

The Chair put this question, and the

recommendation was approved, Messrs. Martin,

Chairman, Hayes, Vice Chairman, Allen,

Balderston, Bryan, Leedy, Mills, Shepardson,

and Vardaman voting to approve, and Messrs.

Robertson and Williams voting "no."

Mr. Deming stated that had he been a

member of the Committee he also would have

voted against adoption of the proposal.

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A staff memorandum on Recent Economic and Financial Develop

ments in the United States and Abroad had been distributed under date

of November 29, 1957.

At Chairman Martin's request, Mr. Young now

commented on the economic situation as follows:

The economic report at this meeting may be capsulized,

for the picture generally is consistent with that reported

at the last meeting--a moderate downsettling of the economy.

Industrial production continues to sag, especially in

the areas of steel and other metals, equipment and ordnance,

household durables, apparel and textiles, and mining, but

higher automobile output may have kept the Board's index of

industrial production close to the 142 level of October, or

at the worst at 141.

On the other hand, new construction seems to be main

tained, with residential and public utility construction up,

industrial construction down, and commercial and public con

Construction contract awards are hold

struction about even.

ing relatively high for this season of the year, reflecting

especially strength for residential awards. For six months,

relative strength in housing construction has been reflected

in a stabilized volume of housing starts at an annual rate

of about a million units. A point of interest in this con

that costs in residential construction declined

nection is

in October for the second successive month. Financing and

selling conditions for newly built houses continue to show

little change.

Further sag in equipment production and industrial con

struction is closely related to cutbacks in spending deci

sions for business plant and equipment. Information just

available on third quarter capital appropriations of large

manufacturing companies, but not yet made public, shows a

decline in appropriations of almost one-third from a year

ago. This is the second successive quarter showing a sub

stantial decline; second quarter appropriations were down

over a fourth from the second quarter of 1956. While amounts

actually spent for fixed capital by large manufacturing

corporations have been holding at advanced levels, the back

log of appropriations for spending has been declining this

year; at the end of the third quarter, it was an eighth

less than a year ago.

Data have just become available on new orders for

durable goods in October. They show no change from

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September.

Unfilled orders, however, continued to decline

and were 15 per cent under a year ago.

Labor market data show a further rise in unemployment

claims, with the increases fairly widespread geographically,

The mid-November unemployment survey, not yet released, shows

a rise in unemployed substantially more than seasonally, to

about 5.2 per cent, seasonally adjusted, of the labor force.

Although unemployment has been rising the number of markets

reporting a condition of substantial labor surplus has not

yet increased, but there has been a significant shift towards

areas classified as having a moderate surplus situation.

GNP for the final quarter, according to preliminary esti

mates, will show little

change or a moderate decline from the

third quarter.

Personal income in October declined for the

second successive month, due to reduced wage and salary dis

bursements.

The November estimate of personal income may

show a further moderate decline for the same reason.

Preliminary indications, mainly for department stores,

point to some recovery in retail sales after the reductions

of September and October.

Department store sales, however,

are still

well below a year ago.

In automobile markets, the

indications, especially at mid-month, are not encouraging to

producers.

New car sales through the first

20 days of Novem

ber, which cover carry-over '57 models as well as '58 models,

although up from October, ran slightly under a year ago, and

dealer stocks rose appreciably. Used car sales were a bit

above a year ago with used car prices, after allowance for

depreciation, about steady.

The general average of wholesale prices has shown little

change in November, and this has been broadly true of group

components--basic material, fabricated industrial materials

and finished products, and farm products. While the con

sumer price index was unchanged in October, because of off

setting movements of components, the index is currently ex

pected to show rise in November, reflecting higher new car

prices and additional advance in rent and service costs but

stability for other categories.

Data on international trade suggest that the changes

occurring in recent months have been in the direction of

moderating payments imbalances, especially for industrial

Although U. S. exports have fallen sharply from

countries.

spring to early fall, total world trade has evidently con

tracted only moderately in this period.

Evidence just

available confirms that economic activity in most major

industrial countries abroad declined some during the third

quarter. Evidence on the subsequent movement is asyet

unclear.

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Mr.

Thomas then made the following statement on recent

financial developments:

Cross currents in economic forces during recent

weeks have precipitated spectacular and often paradoxi

cal developments in financial markets. Public recogni

tion by the System--through the discount rate reductionof the evident economic adjustments, that have lessened

and perhaps removed the threat of inflation for the time

being, was followed by sharp increases in prices of securi

ties.

Stocks, as well as bonds, shared in the rise until

announcement of the President's illness gave pause to the

rise in stock prices.

Analytically, a decrease in the Reserve Banks' dis

count rate would not by itself

be a cause for such sharp

changes in securities markets, particularly when it was

not accompanied by vigorous measures to add to the supply

of reserves.

It

needs to be kept in mind, however, that

to a degree these trends were already beginning to be

evident in the market for Government securities and in

credit demands.

The discount rate reduction was in a

sense a recognition of, and adjustment to, forces already

in operation.

It served as a catalyst in bringing

quiescent forces into action. Investment funds held

awaiting more favorable terms or a clarification of

trends were brought promptly into use.

Investor re

sistance in corporate and municipal bond market, which

had resulted in pressure on prices and accumulations of

inventories in the face of large offerings of new issues,

dissipated rapidly after the discount rate reduction.

Prices of bonds advanced and underwriters were able to

dispose of new issues.

The decline in yields on Govern

ment securities already in process was accelerated.

Yields on seasoned high-grade corporate and municipal

July and those

bonds have declined to the levels of last

than at any

now

lower

are

bonds

Treasury

on long-term

Yields on medium- and shorter-term

time since April.

Treasury issues, which had risen to above 4 per cent

last summer and were generally above long-term yields

for over a year, are now close to the ong-term level.

Yields on Treasury bills, which had been around 3-5/8

per cent during the latter part of October but had de

clined to below 3-1/2 per cent before the discount, rate

reduction, fell to about 3-1/8 per cent.

Bills have

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continued available at around this level despite substantial

System purchases.

Seasonal cash needs, and perhaps some

shifting from liquid assets into longer-term holdings, have

been influences moderating the decline in bill yields.

The volume of new security issues in December is ex

pected to continue close to the high average level of the

past year. With the announcement of plans for a record

breaking issue of A.T. & T. convertible debentures in the

early months of next year and in view of prospective State

and local government programs, new issues may continue in

large volume for some time ahead.

As yet there is no in

dication of a decrease in corporate issues that might be

expected to result from the anticipated decline in capital

expenditures.

The Treasury's cash and debt positions are necessarily

confined within the narrow limits fixed by the statutory

ceiling on debt and the minimum needs for a working cash

balance.

As a result of new issues put on the books in

the last few days, the outstanding debt today is very close

to the ceiling, although some slight leeway may be provided

by savings bond redemptions.

The cash balance of about

$3.6 billion, excluding $200 million transferred from the

Stabilization Fund, may be adequate, with the aid of the

Stabilization Fund borrowing, to cover needs for the re

mainder of this month.

It is possible, however, that some

temporary borrowing from the Federal Reserve may be resorted

to at least once during the next week or two.

Some additional cash borrowing by FNMA may be obtained

around the middle of January and somewhat more than $1 bil

The situation will

lion will be needed by early February.

The Treasury faces a

not be comfortable until mid-March.

A most im

large refunding operation early in February.

portant question is when and how to take advantage of the

strong bond market and extend the debt maturities by offer

ing a long-term issue,

Bank credit has continued to decline, contrary to the

usual seasonal tendency at this time of the year. During

the four weeks since October 31, banks in leading cities

showed declines in loans, in holdings of Government securi

ties, and in other securities, amounting to around $200

The total decline of $600 million

million in each case.

compared with increases of approximately the same amount

in November of the two previou years.

Demand deposits adjusted at city banks have been in

creasing during the past three weeks at a somewhat slower

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pace than in the same period of the two previous years and,

owing to an unusually sharp drop in the first

week of Novem

ber, showed a net decline for the month as a whole. U. S.

Government deposits increased only moderately.

Time deposits

have declined as is usual in November.

Demand deposits

adjusted are apparently smaller now than they were a year ago,

as are Treasury deposits, but time deposits are much larger.

Deposit turnover declined, on a seasonally adjusted basis in

October, and showed a somewhat smaller increase over a year

ago than has been the case in other months of this year.

As a result of slackened growth in bank credit and de

posits, required reserves of member banks failed to show the

customary seasonal increase in November, thus reducing the

projected need for bank reserves.

In addition, reserves were

supplied by a reduction in Treasury balances at the Reserve

Banks (including that of the Stabilization Fund) and by sub

stantial System purchases of bills last week.

Currency in

circulation, however, after lagging somewhat in September

and October, increased a little

more than the normal amount

in November.

Float failed to show the usual seasonal in

crease in mid-November and declined much more sharply in

the last two weeks than was expected, thus exerting a drain

on reserves.

As a consequence of these offsetting influences, net bor

rowed reserves remained above $300 million in the last week of

November.

In other words, member bank reserve positions con

tinued fairly tight, notwithstanding the continued slackening

in credit expansion and the System's efforts to follow a less

Conditions became easier, however, in the

restrictive policy.

The principal shift was a decline in

New York money market.

excess reserves and increase in borrowings at country banks

toward the end of tho semimonthly reserve period.

The cumulative results of the easing measures are, however,

being reflected in member bank reserve positions this week, when

net borrowed reserves are expected to average less than $200

million. If the Treasury continues to keep its balances in the

'including that of the Stabilization Fand) at a

Reserve Banks

low level, net borrowed reserves will continue relatively smal

Projected increases to nearly $S00

during most of DIcPmber.

million next we'kl and to around $600 million in the lant week

of the month could be kept down through repurchase contractr

To provide 'he

or moderate outright purchases in those weeks.

liquidity uu.ally desired at this season, an abundant supply

of reserves will be appropriate.

In January

These nesds, however, will be short-lived.

in required

decreas3

and

currency

of

flow

the seascnr. :trurn

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reserves may be expected to release a substantial volume

of reserve funds.

While some part of these will be ab

sorbed by a decrease in float and eventually by restora

tion of Treasury balances to normal amounts, a reduction

of several hundred million dollars in the System's port

folio will be needed to avoid creating excessive temporary

sloppiness in the money market.

While the present situation calls for a lessening of

previous restraints, it would hardly be desirable to let

a normal seasonal decrease in credit and monetary demands

result in building up a large volume of temporarily re

dundant reserves. Only if credit contraction exceeds

usual seasonal amounts should further ease be permitted

to develop. After this month positive measures to supply

additional reserves should not be needed until March.

Chairman Martin said that Mr.

Balderston had suggested that in

the statements to be made by the individual Reserve Bank Presidents,

each include a comment as to whether loan volume had declined in

district and, if

his

so, whether the decrease reflected lessened loan demand

from borrowers or whether it

reflected decisions by banks to curb their

lending or to force the repayment of loans.

The Chairman then called upon Mr.

Hayes.

Mr. Hayes said, in response to the question suggested by Mr.

Balderston, that the experience in the New York District pointed to

both of the factors mentioned as playing a part in the reduction in

loan volume.

The banks certainly had felt a substantially lessened

demand for loans in

the last two or three months, but before that they

had exercised a very considerable control on loan expansion because of

their liquidity position.

Mr.

Hayes thought that the banks had con

tinued to exercise that control.

Most of the banks talked in terms

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of restoring their liquidity position as funds became available to them.

He did not think that in the New York District it would be correct to say

that either one or the other of the factors mentioned in Mr. Balderston's

question was mainly responsible for the decrease in loans.

Mr. Hayes went on to present his views on the economic situation

and credit policy as follows:

Since our last meeting the System has surprised the

country and the rest of the world with a sudden overt

signal that our posture with respect to monetary policy

has undergone a substantial change.

Time will tell

whether

the timing and form of this action were the best we could

have chosen.

It had seemed to most of us at the last meet

ing that some preparation in the form of diminished re

straint throug.

open market operations would be advisable

before any change was made in discount rates. However, the

move has been made, and it may well turn out to have been

useful on purely monetary grounds--at least it is now even

clearer than it was three week- ago that the economy is

experiencing a rather broad and general decline, so far very

moderate in degree, but carrying with it some risk of a

cumulative recession.

Confirmation of the business decline is to be found in a

wide variety of statistical measures of current trends, in

cluding figures on employment, average hours worked, personal

income, retail sales, and industrial production. Other

statistical data foreshadowing future levels of activity, such

as reports of new orders, point to a continuation of the decline.

Besides the expected drop in private plant and equipment ex

penditures, which may of course be accentuated by future adverse

psychological factors, I have in mind also the likelihood that

business expectations, the ready availability of goods and the

current level of inventories may lead to some inventory liquida

tion in the next few months. Uncertainties and depleted monetary

reserves in a number of countries point to a decline in exports.

Among the few remaining strong spots in the economy are non

Federal Government expenditures and construction in general.

The greatest uncertainties with respect to the future level

of activity concern consumer spending and Federal Government

As for the first, the Christmas season will provide a

spending.

significant test. Over the next few months the crucial factor,

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apart from the course of personal income, may be the degree of

willingness of consumers to defend their level of living by

means of reduced savings or increased borrowing.

By and large,

consumers are in a strong financial position and may be ready

to reduce their liquid assets and/or to incur further debts,

if their confidence is not shaken. As for Federal spending,

the short-run outlook is for only a mild expansion, but it is

quite possible that over the longer term heavier defense out

lays may involve substantial Government deficits and may give

new impetus to inflationary influences in the economy.

It is evident that intangible elements such as the Russian

satellite development, political uncertainties abroad, and now

the grave question as to the President'shealth, will play a

major and unpredictable role in shaping the future course of

business activity.

Meanwhile, wholesale and consumer prices seem to have

achieved a considerable degree of stability for the time being.

And the latest figures on bank credit offer further evidence of

the pronounced slackening in credit growth as compared with

last year. According to our rough estimates the money supply

at the end of 1957 may be nearly 1 per cent lower than it was

at the end of 1956.

Fortunately our decisions with respect to credit policy

over the coming weeks can be taken with a minimum of considera

tion of the Treasury's problems, since no major cash or refund

ing operation is now in prospect until around February.

It seems to me that the basic uncertainties in the present

situation are so great that any policy based on definite antici

pations of future developments may well prove dangerously wrong.

Accordingly, the most appropriate criterion of policy may be

that of minimum risk, whatever may be the course of economic

On the one hand, I think we should avoid forceful

developments.

action, such as that taken in 1953-54, to flood the economy with

liquidity, for this might easily prove to be a most unfortunate

prelude to a program of heavy defense expenditures and possibly

On the other hand, if we were

renewed inflationary pressures.

to confine our easing of credit policy to the discount rate cut

already made, we would run considerable risk of seeing the

development of an undesirable degree of tightness in the credit

markets at a time when credit demands are slackening appreciably

but when liquidity needs are likely to increase seasonally.

Also there is already some confusion in the market as to the

meaning of the sudden rate cut without a definite easing of

reserve pressures, and for the sake of clarity and consistency

open market policy should be brought into alignment with dis

count rate policy.

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I believe there should be enough slackening of restraint

to confirm the System's change of policy,

but the slackening

should not be carried to such an extreme that it would be

difficult or disturbing to tighten the reins again if future

conditions should call for such action. The current target

of about $250 million of net borrowed reserves should now, I

think, become a maximum, and we should work slowly and gradually

over the next few weeks toward the zero mark--with of course the

usual proviso for leeway for the exercise of judgment by the

Manager.

Until the market has had time to observe our open market

activities and to recognize this gradual confirmation of our

discount rate move, it might be well to avoid any further

overt signal, such as a cut in reserve requirements or in

margin requirements, however desirable such reductions may

be at some time in the next few months.

Mr.

Johns said that the reaction to the discount rate change had

proved that some of the fears that he expressed at the meeting three weeks

ago about the possibility of adverse reaction to what he then thought was

too large a decrease in the rate were unfounded.

and the psychological reaction had been good.

Those fears were wrong

Taking into account the

fact that there was some justifiable delay in executing the policy directive and carrying out the consensus arrived at at the meeting three

weeks ago that there should be a moderating in the- pressures on bank

reserves, Mr. Johns said he was gratified to see that that policy would

become evident within the next few weeks.

He would like to see the

moderating of pressures on bank reserves continued through a slow and

easy and gradual change.

With respect to the question Mr. Balderston had asked, Mr. Johns

said he would prefer to supply the answer when he had more complete information on the Eighth District.

Business loan figures in the Eighth

District seemed a little though not significantly stronger than the

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figures for the nation. His impression was that the behavior of loans

in that area was due largely to slackening of loan demand.

Banks had

been rather careful about screening loans for some time and at the

moment, Mr. Johns said, he was not certain whether they had changed

their policies since the discount rate action in mid-November.

He had

an indirect report that in the eastern part of the district the change

in discount rate had produced a considerable bulge in demands for loans,

but he was somewhat skeptical of the accuracy of that report.

Experience

in St. Louis and other parts of the district did not indicate that there

had been a change in lending policy because of the discount rate change

reduction, and Mr. Johns said that he was inclined to believe that the

report to which he referred was a fishing expedition seeking to find out

what the policies of the Federal Reserve System would be in the future.

Mr. Bryan said that the Sixth District was showing rather extraordinary differences in tendencies in different figures.

was up pretty sharply.

Unemployment

Steel production was down rather radically, and

one of the most dramatic figures--that for new plants--was down 75 per

cent compared with a year ago.

On the other hand, contract awards and

some other indicators showed equally large changes in the other direction.

The over-all picture was difficult to analyze but, Mr. Bryan said, his

impression was that in the national picture pressures were easing and

perhaps in total the situation was moving downward.

In answer to Mr. Balderston's question, Mr. Bryan said that the

larger banks were still

under pressure from loan demand.

This showed

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in the loan figures and in borrowings from the Reserve Bank.

As for policy, Mr. Bryan said that there obviously had been a

sudden and dramatic change in the public posture of the System.

He

was inclined to believe that that change was associated with a shift

in the economic climate and was justified.

However, he was content

for the moment not to go forward with any further dramatic moves and

he would associate himself with the views expressed by Messrs. Hayes

and Johns in that respect.

He thought we faced very grave dangers.

On the economic side there was the danger that we may have misinterpreted a minor adjustment as a major one and that the policy change

might create further dislocations in an economic system that in his

opinion already was pretty badly distorted.

The other danger was the

one Mr. Hayes had mentioned, that developments largely in the Governmental field might put the country under savage inflationary pressures

in the not too distant future.

that the System might imagine it

change than it had done.

There were other dangers also.

One was

had done more by the discount rate

So far, it

had only aided the securities markets.

This aided large borrowers who had access to these markets, but so far as

Mr. Bryan could see the general public depending on bank credit had not

benefited, although he made it

action taken.

Mr. Bryan also thought we faced a very grave problem in

the use of our instruments, if

slide rapidly.

clear he was not complaining about the

the economic situation should slide and

This was a preliminary to saying that, if the economic

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system should slide, Mr. Bryan did not believe that the open market

instrument was the ideal way to handle the situation.

Mr. Williams reported that Third District business trends were

mixed.

This meant weakness was developing instead of strength.

Depart-

ment store sales in October were below September as well as last year.

For the ten months, however, department store sales in the Philadelphia

District were 1 per cent ahead of last year.

Inventories at the end of

October were 7 per cent above September but the increase was less than

usual.

A 3 per cent gain in value of inventories from a year earlier

reflected price increases.

New automobile registrations were 13 per

cent ahead of October 1956 but in the first ten months of this year were

7 per cent below a year ago. Registrations in Philadelphia in the first

three weeks of November were up 20 per cent from the previous month and

45 per cent from a year ago.

Construction activity was relatively strong

with total awards 6 per cent above the first ten months of last year.

Preliminary data for October showed a small decrease in both employment

and earnings in manufacturing.

Business loans were up recently by about

the same amount as a year ago.

Compared with last year, the total showed

little change, since a decline in business loans over the year-period

had been offset by an increase in loans on securities.

With respect to Mr. Balderston's question, Mr. Williams said he

had the feeling that there had not been restraint on loans in recent weeks.

One banker had reported that he was taking advantage of this opportunity

to improve the quality mix of his portfolio.

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-28For the next few weeks,

Mr. Williams felt that open market

operations should be directed toward preventing any real tightness

and yet should retain moderate restraint.

He cited a net borrowed

reserve figure somewhere between $150-$200 million, with a bill rate

range of 3 to

3.15

per cent.

Mr. Fulton said that the steel industry in the Cleveland District

had shown a very substantial drop from the rather high rate of operations

that had existed and that it was very unhappy.

There had been a working

off of backlogs and new orders had diminished.

Unemployment was up but

large layoffs in some industries to some extent were being counteracted

by developments in automotive suppliers and in the automotive industry

itself, which had been putting quite a number of men previously laid off

back to work.

Retail sales were about the same as last year and Mr.

Fulton thought there would be a pretty good Christmas season.

It ap-

peared that inventories were being worked down to a minimum level and

production in many industries was at the minimum needed to supply current sales.

Consumers of steel appeared to be using more steel than

they were ordering.

Mr. Fulton thought it

possible that a scarcity of

goods could develop at some point that would result in fast ordering.

Automobile credit terms seemed to be deteriorating, with a larger percentage of sales having 36 months maturity than was the case earlier.

In response to Mr. Balderston's question as to loan demand, Mr.

Fulton said that business loans had declined in seven out of nine

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preceding weeks.

It was reported that this was largely due to lack of

demand and again it might relate to the inventory situation he had

referred to.

The reduction in the discount rate had given a psychological

fillip to the general public, but Mr. Fulton did not think it

had had an

effect on the businessman who was not ordering and who was trimming his

sails.

Plants that were under way would be completed but others would

be laid on the shelf to be looked at later.

In speaking of policy, Mr. Fulton expressed the view that nothing

dramatic should be done, believing that through open market operations

and repurchase agreements the situation could be kept in fairly good

shape.

The present amount of net borrowed reserves seemed appropriate.

In response to a question from Mr. Vardaman, Mr. Fulton said that it was

expected that the steel industry would run around 70 per cent of capacity

during the current quarter and that the current month would show about

the lowest point in operations.

Beginning next quarter there should be

a pick up.

Mr. Shepardson said it

seemed to him that, while there were in-

dications of some further turn down in some areas, we still had the

factors that had been mentioned which might lead to upward forces in

the next few months.

He thought it

which would tip the balance.

difficult to tell at this stage

Recalling the comment that Mr. Young had

made that costs in residential construction declined in October for the

second successive month, Mr. Shepardson noted a report in the newspapers

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this morning of a proposal by a leader of the AFL-CIO Building and

Construction Trades Department for a moratorium on demands for wage

increases during 1958 as a step toward stabilizing wage gains and

sustaining full employment through increasing production.

While this

leader might not be speaking for labor generally, Mr. Shepardson hoped

there would not be any easing of the situation that would cause a

cessation of this kind of thinking on the part of labor organizations.

It seemed to him that the Committee would be well advised in the next

two weeks to continue to hold about the present situation.

Mr. Robertson said that he agreed with Mr. Shepardson.

It

seemed to him that the System had exaggerated the situation we were in,

believing as he did that the action taken in lowering the discount rate

was wrong.

He felt that the Committee should now hold the situation

where it is, but if a recession started in, we should definitely consider

using open market operations.

For the time being he would not be in

favor of any further moderation of pressures.

In fact, he would be in

favor of less moderation than had already occurred.

Mr. Mills said that from now to the end of the year there were

valid reasons for following a cautious policy in providing reserves,

particularly so that they would not become so freely available as to

create a sloppy market and force prices of United States Government and

other securities up so strongly as to cause other reaction that from

the standpoint of the Committee's policy should be avoided.

A

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plausible conception for a reserve policy to the end of the year might

be to tie it to the movement of loans in the "leading cities."

If the

loan trend continued down, it could be regarded as representing an

easing in the availability of credit, and overt action in aggressively

providing reserves would not have the urgency that was true of recent

years when bank loans rose progressively around the end of the year.

However, in following the movement of loans in leading cities, the

Committee should make allowances for tax borrowings and other corporate

financing activities that necessitate resort to bank lines of credit.

By making a comparison with last year in the movement of borrowings for

tax purposes and the movement of finance company loans into the banks,

and assuming that the weight of that movement would not be as strongly

upward as a year ago, a picture of the underlying movement of bank loans

might be obtained.

Mr. Mills said it was hard to believe that credit

in any area of the country was not comfortably available now, although

varying in degree of availability from section to section, and for that

reason the injection of reserves in amounts that would not find an immediate and justifiable loan use could possibly result in undesirable

securities market distortions.

Central reserve city bank areas were

feeling the greatest impact of the liquidation of commercial and industrial loans.

Mr.

Mills' belief was that a target for negative free reserves

of around $200 million would not be far off and no concern need be felt

if

the level should rise even to $250 million.

However, if last year's

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experience was repeated, tightness might occur that would be entirely

unrelated to the statistical position of negative free reserves and

it might become necessary to supply reserves more liberally than is

presently indicated.

Going beyond the immediate, Mr. Mills thought that the most

important financial problem faced was a tendency for required reserves

to shrink.

That tendency was presumably a reflection of the abatement

in the demand for loans in major centers and the actual liquidation of

loans in those areas.

In the long run this meant that at some point

the System might be faced with a decision as to how it should meet a

potential shrinkage in the money supply, particularly whether a moderate

shrinkage in the money supply was desirable or whether it

would be in-

consistent with conditions that favor a stable economy and foster growth.

If after the turn of the year it

was found that there was a contraction

of loans of more than seasonal magnitude, a case could be made for pro-

viding reserves more liberally on the grounds that the commercial banks

would be recasting their ideas as to the employment of their resources,

and if reserves then were freely available they might find their way

into increased investments in both public and corporate securities.

Such actions could have a beneficial effect in moving the prospective

supplies of new securities on to the market,

at a time when the System

might wish to encourage that kind of financing as a stimulant to

slackening activity in the areas affected by capital financing programs.

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-33For the time being, Mr. Vardaman said, he certainly did not

feel the Committee wished any more overt action.

he felt strongly that it

At the same time,

should point open market operations toward

less restraint and toward convincing the public of the Committee's

recognition of the trend.

He would go along with Mr. Hayes' goal

and he urged that the Desk play by ear.

He agreed with Messrs. Fulton

and Bryan that up to now the System's action had been simply a gesture,

in that he did not think the discount rate reduction had affected the

ideas of the public or businessmen, either large or small.

Mr. Vardaman

said that he would go along with changing the directive to insert the

word "continued" ahead of the word "moderating" in clause (b) of paragraph 1.

He would favor not over $100 million of net free reserves

and preferably would move closer to zero.

Mr. Leach said that the past three weeks had served to confirm

earlier evidences of a small but widespread downturn in Fifth District

economic activity.

Mining employment in West Virginia dropped slightly

from September to October and in October was 4.2 per cent below the

corresponding month last year.

Industry forecasts indicated that

bituminous coal production in the first quarter of 1958 would be down

slightly from 1956 and 1957.

Cotton cloth prices had moved up slightly

in the past two weeks, almost entirely because of the recent rise in

cotton prices.

However, there was no evidence of any change

fundamental problems of the industry.

n the

Contrary to the usual seasonal

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rise in October, nonagricultural employment in the two Virginias and

the two Carolinas dropped from September to October with the major

portion of the losses occurring in manufacturing industries.

Mr. Leach said that Fifth District agriculture had been hard

hit this year in contrast with the good showing of other parts of the

country.

Harvesting of most district crops was nearing completion,

and despite somewhat improved yields it was obvious that cash receipts

from crops would be far below last year.

and grains were all substantially down.

Flue-cured tobacco, cotton,

Tobacco cash receipts would

drop $170 million, and a cotton crop two-thirds of the size of that

of 1956 would likely bring $40 million less than last year's crop.

One brighter--but not very bright--spot in the Fifth District

economy to which Mr.

Leach referred was the furniture industry, where

production apparently turned up somewhat in October as employment increased slightly and sales showed some improvement.

Seasonal expansion in business loans in the Fifth District has

been below last year's experience, Mr. Leach said, but not as much below

as has been true of the country as a whole.

As to Mr. Balderston's

question, one reason for the smaller expansion of loans in the Fifth

District this year had been the smaller needs for credit for moving

crops, particularly tobacco.

The reserve position of member banks

continued rather tight and borrowings from the Richmond Reserve Bank

were slightly larger now than in recent weeks and larger than at this

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period a year ago.

Member banks still say they are experiencing

demands from customers for loans.

Mr. Leach also commented that

when the discount rate went up, the banks told their customers that

was why their interest rates were increased.

Now that the discount rate

had been reduced, the banks were hooked.

In general, Mr. Leach thought the Committee's policy should not

be so easy as to impede salutary adjustments that were taking place in

the economy or to provide redundant reserves that could lead to sloppy

markets and lay the basis for expansion of inflationary forces when

they recur, something that he was sure would come about at some time.

Consistent with this view, he did not think the System should make bank

reserves substantially easier at the moment.

He believed, however,

that

some further easing in reserve pressures would be appropriate because of

the widespread change that has taken place in the economy and the relatively light seasonal demand for bank loans.

He noted that member bank

borrowings in November averaged $800 million, slightly higher than a

year ago when the Committee's objective was one of restraining inflationary

developments.

thought it

If the present directive were to be continued--and he

should be--it seemed clear that there should be a further

moderation of reserve pressures.

The moderation should be gradual,

and at the end of the next two weeks he would like to see conditions

consistent with a benchmark of $100 million net borrowed reserves.

12/3/57

-36Mr.

Leedy commented first on Mr.

Balderston's question,

stating that, as he had reported previously, loans in the Tenth

District since mid-year had moved opposite to those nationally.

There actually had been a growth in loans in the district since

the end of June, and total reporting member bank loans had shown

about double the volume of growth since mid-1957 that they had shown

in the corresponding period of 1956.

Commercial and industrial loans

had increased about a third more this year than in the same period

last year.

By and large, this growth represented the seasonal pattern.

The increased loans largely were to food manufacturers, trade firms,

and commodity dealers.

In one category--loans to farmers, particularly

loans on cattle--the growth had been the largest since 1953.

This

year's excellent pasture conditions had resulted in considerable demand

for feeding cattle.

At $109 million, these loans were the highest since

the spring of 1953.

Borrowings by member banks last week reached a

postwar peak of $131 million, Mr. Leedy said, and as he had commented

at the preceding meeting, a considerable part of this represented loans

to banks in Oklahoma because of the loss of deposits from that State

in connection with the assessment of intangibles as of the end of

November.

Even after washing that out, however,

there had been an

increase in loans because of other large demands.

Regarding policy, Mr. Leedy said that since Mr. Johns had confessed that he was mistaken as to what the effect might be of a discount

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rate reduction as large as the one that had been made in November, he

also wished to confess that he was badly mistaken as to what he suspected the effect of such a reduction might be.

Mr. Leedy recalled

that he had thoughtsuch a reduction would involve the risk of contributing further to deterioration in business sentiment, but he could

not have been more wrong.

The result indicated that the factor of

sentiment still had a great deal of strength and he had misjudged the

fragile nature he thought it might have.

It seemed to Mr. Leedy that,

having taken this step, the Committee should now give notice through

the weekly report of net borrowed reserves that the pressure on reserves was being relaxed.

He noted that the report distributed this

morning showed an estimate of a net borrowed reserve position of $165

million for the current week.

He thought that for subsequent weeks

borrowed reserves should not exceed that figure.

He would establish

very definitely that the Committee was trending downward in net

borrowed reserves.

Beyond that, and pending a meeting two weeks from

now, he would suggest no further change in policy.

Mr. Allen said that the decline nationally in business activity

was evident in virtually all Seventh District centers except Michigan,

which was an outstanding exception.

Automobile production was projected

at 620,000 units in November compared with 580,000 in the same month

last year, an increase of 7 per cent, but The Wall Street Journal this

morning indicated that because of a work stoppage actual production has

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been about the same.

The State employment services in the Seventh

District reported almost universally that the number of manufacturing

jobs this fall was less than had been anticipated.

market, however,

manual worker.

The easier job

was confined for the most part to the unskilled

Department store sales and scattered reports on other

retail trade have compared unfavorably with last year in recent weeks,

Mr. Allen said.

In the four largest cities of the Seventh District,

sales during the first three weeks of November on a seasonally-adjusted

basis were off 8 to 11 per cent from August levels.

Some stores had

reported that the final week of November had been encouraging.

Available data do not yet suggest an appreciable upturn in

liquid savings, Mr. Allen said, but he felt that such an upturn was

taking place because consumer income was now running well above last

year whereas retail purchases were lower.

Mid-west farm income

prospects had been dimmed somewhat as a result of wet weather which

hampered the harvesting of corn and soy beans.

Those crops had been

under snow in a considerable part of Iowa and elsewhere,

content had been too high for storage.

and moisture

One result of this might well

be the feeding of cattle and hogs to heavy weights so that corn could

be used before spoiling.

This could defer current marketings but could

cause substantial pressure when these animals are marketed after the

turn of the year.

Since midyear, the reduction in business loan outstandings

has been greater in the Seventh District than in the nation generally,

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Mr. Allen said.

For the entire country, business loans dropped 2.3

per cent between June 27 and November 20, in Chicago they dropped 4.4

per cent, and in Milwaukee 3.4 per cent.

As to Mr. Balderston's ques-

tion, Mr. Allen was sure that the decline in business loans was generally a voluntary reduction on the part of borrowers.

One of the

very large banks indicated a little more than a month ago that it

had

changed its lending policy as a result of the economic picture. (This

bank had been an extremely aggressive lender for many years.)

The

result was that its loans had stopped going up, but it had not shared

in the actual reduction experienced in the Seventh District and the

nation.

In Chicago, where deposits are virtually unchanged, banks have

offset the decline in business loans by increases in their security

holdings.

Mr. Allen also reported that interviews with commercial

finance companies in the Chicago area revealed that most of those firm

were in a position to increase their business loans substantlally but

that demand for funds had been reduced.

In fact, they were speaking

of a shortage of customers.

Reverting to the automobile situation, Mr. Allen reported

finished car inventories on November 20 totaled 660,000, of which

175,000 were 1957 models.

The industry does not seem to be disturbed

by the size of the 1957 model inventory, but it is disturbed by the

fact that the daily sales rate in the second 10 days of November was

16,840 compared with 17,993 in the first 10 days of the month. A

decline in sales rate at this time of year is unusual, Mr. Allen noted,

besides which current production is geared to a daily sales rate of

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18,000 plus.

Sales in the second 10 days of November also were of in-

terest because of the distribution among the various manufacturers.

General Motors' sales were 50 per cent of the total, Ford 30 per cent,

and Chrysler 14-1/2 per cent.

Ford and Chrysler officials were dis-

appointed and General Motors enthusiastic.

The General Motors'

showing

was due chiefly to the good reception accorded the Chevrolet.

Mr. Allen stated that he had been on the telephone hookup with

the Desk during the past week, when net borrowed reserves had been

higher than the Committee had suggested,

Desk could have come any closer than it

existed.

but he did not know how the

had under the conditions that

He thought that the goal for net borrowed reserves in the

next two weeks might well be around $250 million.

Mr.

Deming said that yesterday he sat with a group of Twin

City businessmen in an economic conference and that almost without

exception these men felt that the slide-off in the economy would con-

tinue through the first half of 1958.

They noted that the downward

drift in the Northwest had been less than for the nation as a whole,

and they believed that the outlook for that area was better than for

the nation.

This reflected basically the strong agricultural year the

Ninth District had had and the belief that the outlook for lumbering

and mining at present was brighter than it had been for some time.

Recent statistics pointed to some increase in weaknesses in certain

lines.

Retail sales were off from last year's level, and there had

been some layoffs in both larger and smaller industrial plants.

Bank

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loans were down and deposits showed less than the usual seasonal gain.

With respect to Mr. Balderston's question, Mr. Deming said that

the figures showed that the city banks experienced a decline this past

few weeks of $25 million in their loans, compared with a decline of

$15 million last year.

Country banks showed an increase of $5 million

this year, whereas last year they increased $15 million.

These figures

reflected primarily a decline in demand for loans, but this was not

anything that the banks were resisting very strongly and they had not

been going out to replace the loans.

Mr. Deming also reported that

real estate loans had gone up and that banks seemed willing to make

more real estate loans because basically demand for other credit had

fallen off.

Housing seemed to be showing real strength, Mr. Deming said,

with figures for the Ninth District showing a 3 per cent gain in

October in the number of housing permits.

Builders were expecting a

pretty good year in 1958.

On credit policy, Mr. Deming said that he agreed that a target

of around $150-$200 million of net borrowed reserves would be appropriate.

Mr. Mangels said that the Twelfth District continued to have

a somewhat mixed picture.

Over-all activity continued on the down

side, but there were a couple of bright spots.

The important lumber-

ing industry in the Pacific Northwest was showing increases in production and in employment,

although the increases had not been very

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large and operations were still

well below year-ago levels.

Con-

struction had shown strength with residential awards in October up

10 per cent and nonresidential awards up 25 per cent from September.

There was an indication that builders were going into the new year

with a feeling that the strength in construction would continue.

Mr.

Mangels said he had not yet noted any decrease in costs of construction

although it was hoped that such decreases would show up. Automobile

sales in September were 21 per cent ahead of a year ago, and in

California October registrations were 4 per cent above September.

Department store sales were down in both October and November, and the

total for the year to date showed practically no change.

employment showed little change.

Over-all

In manufacturing, employment was

down, reflecting conditions in the aircraft industry.

However,

develop-

ment of the Thor missile program should improve employment in that in-

dustry in Southern California.

Bank loan figures, about which Mr. Balderston had asked, showed

an increase of $69 million during the three weeks ending November 20,

Mr. Mangels said.

This was less than half the increase shown in the

preceding year in this period.

From June 1 to November 20 of this year,

loans had increased only a third as much as a year earlier.

Demand for

had been.

Banks were

loans was continuing but not as intensively as it

still

willing to make loans where credit risks were good.

posits had increased in the past three weeks,

Demand de-

but time deposits had

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declined reflecting withdrawals of Christmas savings funds.

Most of

those funds were going into the spending stream, Mr. Mangels said,

but various industries were not too optimistic about the outlook,

feeling that by the middle of next year there would be a lower level

of activity than at present.

However, the consensus was that by the

end of the third quarter of 1958 there would be an upturn.

It was

expected that there would be a continuation of high level Government

expenditures and high consumer expenditures.

Mr. Mangels said that it

seemed to him that in the present

situation we might be facing not much more than an extension of the

decline in the rate of growth.

No projects that he knew of, which were

economically justified, had been deferred because of a lack of funds

or because of cost.

If additional funds were supplied too freely, they

might be put to speculative uses.

His thought would be that for the

next two weeks net borrowed reserves in the $200-$250 million range

would be just about right, with the maximum leeway to be given to the

Manager of the System Account in carrying out Committee operations.

Mr. Irons said that changes in the Eleventh District had been

small during the past few weeks and rather mixed.

On the whole,

district was continuing to show a high level of activity.

the

Department

store trade seemed to be running below last year in the first half of

November,

but in the last few days it had shown signs of spurting up.

It was difficult to point to the significance of some of the changes

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that had taken place in the past three or four weeks,

but Mr. Irons

thought that on balance there had been no real net change.

attitude of confidence certainly had not been shattered.

The

He did not

find people pessimistic although they were reasonably cautious.

Mr. Irons referred to Mr. Balderston's question stating that,

unlike the picture in the nation, demand for bank credit in the

Eleventh District had continued strong.

Virtually all bankers with

whom he talked referred to this factor.

Figures of reporting member

banks had been consistently running ahead of the pattern of a year

ago.

Commercial and industrial loans in the last two weeks of Novem-

ber had shown a rise of $30 million compared with a rise of $15

million in the corresponding period a year ago, while since last June

the increase had been $62 million this year compared with $37 million

in 1956.

strength.

Total loans showed the same pattern: one of continuing

Bankers state that the demand for loans is there.

Mr. Irons

said he did not know whether bankers were being more selective--they

say they are always selective--but his opinion was that the degree of

selectivity now did not differ much from what it was three months ago

or six months ago.

Banks are meeting demands if they can.

There had

been fairly steady and at times strong discounting at the Reserve

Bank, with discounts having run to $53 million, a figure higher than

that usual for Dallas.

Mr. Irons reported that one of the large banks

with a 65 per cent loan ratio,

which had not borrowed for over a year,

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had come in periodically in the past three or four weeks because

its loans were going up.

This banker had indicated that he felt

these were loans that should be made.

He also had indicated a

willingness for certain types of loans to increase, and in the case

of automobile credit he indicated that if he could get the money,

he would make the loans to move the cars.

Mr. Irons expressed the

opinion that if the banks were put in a position where they had the

liquid funds, they would find a way to use them, and he thought the

economic situation in the Eleventh District was strong enough to

offer the opportunity.

On matters of general policy, Mr. Irons said that now that

the System had decided to move to a three per cent rate structure,

he hoped it would retain as much restraint as was consistent with

that level of rates as contrasted with the 3-1/2 per cent level that

existed previously.

He was more interested in the short-term rates

than in any given amount of net borrowed reserves.

He hoped that

the Federal funds rate would not drop below the discount rate and

that the bill rate would be kept in the 3 - 3.15 per cent area.

Be-

cause of the discount rate action, he felt that the System had to

indicate that, as it saw the situation, some such rate structure was

more appropriate, and his feeling was that operations should point

toward that end.

The System should avoid putting funds into the

market too freely, should be cautious in supplying funds, and should

be more concerned with the movement of rates.

Mr. Irons said he did

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not believe that the Committee should give any weight whatsoever

to influencing net borrowed reserves so that they would come out

at a figure that would indicate that the System had eased.

He did

not believe the net borrowed reserve figure was much good anyway,

but because the System had eased credit it

around the 3 - 3.15 per cent level.

should have a bill rate

This should be the guide rather

than some predetermined figure of net borrowed reserves.

Mr. Balderston said that the change in the discount rate

last month seemed to him now to have been fortunately timed.

Since

that change had given a signal to the business community in the only

way the System could appropriately speak out, it would seem that the

Committee ought to select as a target for open market operations a

figure slightly lower than the $200 million of net borrowed reserves

He favored a target of $100-$200 mil-

that was achieved a year ago.

lion, with a bill

rate kept near the discount rate.

This morning's report by Mr. Young of a heavy increase in

unemployment to a level of

5.2

per cent brought before the Committee

afresh a problem that had been quiescent for a time,

said, but a problem which might be before it

months.

r. Balderston

continually in future

It was his belief that the problem of unemployment would be

discussed in and out of Congress and would be something that would

concern the System greatly.

It would not be easily solved. He felt

that excess capacity, which had appeared in a number of industries,

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would not disappear quickly.

As an example, it would take time to

find use for the aluminum that would carry the rapidly increasing

capacity for aluminum production.

He reported a conversation with

an industrialist last evening who was happy that his firm was nearing

the end of an $80 million expansion program.

He was happy because

the consulting service that advised him as to prospective automobile

sales indicated a figure of

5.3

million cars for 1958.

In short,

this industrialist felt that he had all the capacity he could use

for the predictable future.

Mr.

Balderston said he suspected that

the strong feeling expressed by this industrialist might be held by

many other manufacturers.

On the other hand, Mr.

Balderston noted that there was in

prospect a sharp increase in Government spending at the Federal level

and also indication of increased spending at local and State levels.

There also were in prospect wage advances next year, some of them

Whether automatic or

automatic and some to be freely negotiated.

not, these threatened price stability.

Consequently, he favored

such continuing restraint as would avoid pushing out reserves that

would be either not used or used improperly.

Chairman Martin said that he found himself almost completely

in agreement with Mr. Hayes'

summary this morning.

He thought the

System had done the right thing.

He believed it was essential to

change the posture of the System.

He was not afraid of using the

word:

he thought we were in a recession.

But that did not mean

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that he thought it was an alarming situation.

Chairman Martin said

he had based all of his thinking during the past year on the view

that when inflation gets ahead of us, as this inflation did, it

would be most unnatural if some adjustments were not required in

the economy.

He thought those adjustments were taking place and

in a different form than in 1953 and 1954.

In his view, there was

no comparison now with what we had then in the congestion of inventories.

Plant and capacity also were on an entirely different basis

at that time than today.

He believed very firmly in the growth factor

that Mr. Mangels had mentioned.

The overcapacity he was talking about

was temporary, he said, and growth comes very quickly in this country.

However,

he did not think that eliminated the fact that we have a great

deal of indigestion in plant and capacity because of the degree to

which inflation got ahead of us.

He was inclined to think we will not

get the same response to monetary ease at this time that we got in

1954, even assuming that we were to throw reserves in with the reckless

abandon that we did then.

He thought the foreign situation also was

entirely different today, and this was a factor that the Committee

should bear in mind.

Having given a clear signal, the Chairman said that he thought

the System ought not be supplying reserves ad infinitum. He did not

think there was any need for additional reserves at the moment, although there were some places where the banks could put them out.

he had found a great many places where he was convinced the bankers

But

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were more bearish than some of the economists and were very anxious

to clean house in some of their loans.

They wanted to blame the

Federal Reserve for that action, just as at times they blamed the

Federal Reserve for restraint when they felt it would be desirable

for them to be more generous in their lending.

The Chairman said

that he thought sentiment in business circles was bad now and was

likely to grow worse, although he believed there would be good business during the Christmas period.

He agreed with Mr. Irons' comment

on the net borrowed reserves figures and expressed the wish that the

Committee had never used them.

a benchmark.

However, they had come to be used as

Chairman Martin said that his view was that we should

be moving to a lower level of net borrowed reserves.

would depend on feel and color in the market.

How much lower

He did not wish any

overt move that would make it appear that the System was trying to

flood the market with reserves, but he did want it clear that the

System was moving to prevent any knot.

He could see no need for

changing the Committee's directive at this time.

He thought that

Mr. Hayes had made a clear statement of the majority view.

There

were differences of view around the table, he said, noting that Mr.

Robertson would rather have no moderation of pressures, and that at

the present time it appeared that Mr. Shepardson leaned in that direction.

His own view was that the management of the System Account

ought to continue moderately to moderate the pressures on reserves.

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Mr. Allen noted that the projections of the New York Bank

indicated net borrowed reserves of $164 million for the week ending

December 4.

Assuming the directive was to be renewed in its present

form, he inquired whether that action would mean that net borrowed

reserves should be moved below that figure.

Chairman Martin said he was assuming that that figure was

a rather rough estimate.

During the past three weeks,

net borrowed

reserves had not gotten down to the level discussed at the meeting

on November 12.

As Mr. Allen had pointed out, he agreed that the

Desk had performed beautifully during the past three weeks.

It

would be faced with a tightening problem during the next few weeks.

What we were dealing with was a general prospectus within which the

Desk would have to operate.

Mr.

Leach said that if the present directive were renewed,

he felt there had to be some further easing in the reserve position.

Chairman Martin said that this was his view and he thought

it

was the consensus or the majority opinion that we should move in

that direction.

Mr.

Leach emphasized that he did not wish to change the

wording of the directive at all.

He simply wished to point out

that if the directive was adopted in its present form, it meant

that there should be some moderation from the position we were in

today.

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-51Mr. Mills said that presumably we were thinking about the

distribution of reserves.

The run-off of loans was in the money

market banks that are located in the financial centers that get

the first benefit of open market operations.

Therefore, if reserves

were supplied to moderate the situation, those reserves might concentrate in the areas that need them least and they might not move

to the country bank areas which, judging from statistics, are not as

comfortably supplied.

If that should be the case, undue ease might

be felt in the money markets, with repercussions on the prices of

Government securities and other market instruments.

Chairman Martin said that he knew of no real way of meeting

that situation. He thought it necessary to give the maximum latitude

to the Manager of the System Open Market Account who then had to do

the best he could with feel and color of the market.

Mr. Irons said he was not sure that the directive would

require any further moderation in the reserve position if renewed

in its present form.

The directive called for a change in the light

of the discussion at the November 12 meeting,

when the Committee was

moving from a restrictive to a less restrictive policy.

During the

past three weeks there had been some moderation in restraint.

The

fact that the directive would read "by moderating the pressures on

bank reserves" if renewed in its present form would not, in his

opinion, mean that we would have to move further during each period.

12/3/57

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its statement of policy at each meeting.

If this was correct, he

would interpret the renewal of the present directive as calling for

some moderation from where we are at the time of the renewal.

Mr. Irons responded that if this were done over and over,

at some point we would reach a point where we had "moderated" to a

very excessive degree.

Mr. Johns said that in the past the Committee had not attempted to state the degrees of restraint in its directive, but

whether we were on the side of restraint.

He thought the discussion

was making a very literal definition of the word "moderating."

Mr. Vardaman said that in order that there might be no misunderstanding, it might be desirable for Messrs. Robertson and

Shepardson to state exactly what they would like to see done.

Mr. Robertson said that the Chairman's summary had covered

his dissenting view.

Mr.

Shepardson said that he had made the statement that he

thought the Committee should continue about the present degree of

restraint,which in line with the comments by Mr. Rouse he would take

to be a somewhat moderated position from that contemplated at the

last meeting.

Chairman Martin said that we could play with these words too

much.

He thought we were talking about trends and he had put Mr.

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Shepardson in the category of leaning some in the direction of having

no moderation in pressures.

He inquired whether the Committee would

be reasonably happy with the summary conclusion as he had stated it.

In response to a question from Mr. Robertson as to whether

it was necessary to readopt a directive at this meeting, Chairman

Martin said that he thought this was necessary.

In further response

to Mr. Robertson's question as to how the phrase "by moderating the

pressures on bank reserves" appearing in clause (b) of paragraph (1)

of the directive was to be interpreted, Chairman Martin said that

he thought the correct interpretation should be that this called

for a continued moderating of pressures on bank reserves.

Mr. Hayes said that he thought it would mean that we were

to move to a somewhat lower level of pressure than in the period

since the preceding meeting of the Committee.

Mr. Robertson said that this was his interpretation also

and that on that basis he would find it necessary to dissent from

the action renewing the present wording of the directive.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Committee voted to

direct the Federal Reserve Bank of New

York until otherwise directed by the

Committees

(1) To make such purchases, sales, or exchanges,

(including replacement of maturing securities, and allowing maturities to run off without replacement) for the

System open market account in the open market or, in the

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case of maturing securities, by direct exchange with the

Treasury, as may be necessary in the light of current

and prospective economic conditions and the general

credit situation of the country, with a view (a) to relating the supply of funds in the market to the needs of

commerce and business, (b) to fostering sustainable growth

in the economy without inflation, by moderating the pressures on bank reserves, and (c) to the practical administration of the account; provided that the aggregate amount of

securities held in the System account (including commitments

for the purchase or sale of securities for the account) at

the close of this date, other than special short-term certificates of indebtedness purchased from time to time for the

temporary accommodation of the Treasury, shall not be in-

creased or decreased by more than $1 billion;

(2)

To purchase direct from the Treasury for the

account of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (with

discretion, in cases where it seems desirable to issue

participations to one or more Federal Reserve Banks) such

amounts of special short-term certificates of indebtedness

as may be necessary from time to time for the temporary

accommodation of the Treasury; provided that the total

amount of such certificates held at any one time by the

Federal Reserve Banks shall not exceed in the aggregate

$500 million;

(3)

To sell direct to the Treasury from the System

account for gold certificates such amounts of Treasury

securities maturing within one year as may be necessary

from time to time for the accommodation of the Treasury;

provided that the total amount of such securities s sold

shall not exceed in the aggregate $500 million face amount,

and such sales shall be made as nearly as may be practicable

at the prices currently quoted in the open market.

Votes for this action: Mr. Martin,

Chairman; Mr, Hayes, Vice Chairman;

Messrs. Allen, Balderston, Bryan, Leedy,

Mills, Shepardson, Vardaman, and Williams.

Vote against this action: Mr. Robertson.

Mr. Robertson stated that his reasons for dissenting were the

same as those stated previously for dissenting from the wording of the

directive adopted at the meeting on November 12.

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-55It was understood that the next meeting of the Committee

would be held at 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday, December 17, 1957, and that

tentatively the following meeting would be held at 10:00 a.m. on

Tuesday,

January 7, 1958.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary

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  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1957},
  month = {Dec},
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  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19571203},
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