fomc minutes · February 10, 1958

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held

in the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve

System in Washington on Tuesday,

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

February 11, 1958,

at

10:00 a.m.

Martin Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Allen

Balderston

Bryan

Leedy

Mills

Robertson

Shepardson

Szymczak

Williams

Messrs. Fulton, Irons, Leach, and Mangels, Alter

nate Members of the Federal Open Market Com

mittee

Messrs. Erickson, Johns, and Deming, Presidents

of the Federal Reserve Banks of Boston, St.

Louis, and Minneapolis, respectively

Mr. Riefler, Secretary

Mr. Thurston, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Solomon, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Thomas, Economist

Messrs. Atkinson, Bopp, Marget, Mitchell, Tow,

and Young, Associate Economists

Mr. Rouse, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Carpenter, Secretary, Board of Governors

Mr. Koch, Associate Adviser, Division of Re

search and Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Miller, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Messrs. Gaines and Stone, Managers, Securities

Department, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Messrs. Roosa, Daane, Abbott, Strothman, and

Wheeler, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of New York, Richmond, St.

Louis, Minneapolis, and San Francisco,

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respectively; Mr. Balles, Assistant

Vice President, Federal Reserve Bank

of Cleveland; Mr. Coldwell, Director

of Research, Federal Reserve Bank of

Dallas; and Mr. Willis, Economic Ad

viser, Federal Reserve Bank of Boston

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the mem

bers of the Committee a report prepared at the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York covering open market operations during the period

January 28 through February 5, 1958, and a supplementary report

covering commitments executed February 6 through February 10, 1958.

Copies of both reports have been placed in the files of the Federal

Open Market Committee.

Reporting on the management of the System Open Market Account

since the last meeting, Mr.

Rouse said that it

had been possible to

maintain an even keel in the market during the period of the Treasury

financing with minimum open market activity.

The New York banks have

been in a relatively tight reserve position for the past few days,

principally as a result of loans to dealers to carry maturing securi

ties that have been exchanged for the new issues.

be delivered on February 14,

The new issues will

and the New York situation should unwind

itself at that time.

On the whole,

said.

the Treasury refunding was successful,

Mr.

Rouse

Attrition on the 3-3/8 per cent certificates, the most important

issue in

the exchange was only 5 per cent.

Special circumstances with

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respect to interest adjustments and other factors led to somewhat

larger attrition in the case of other "rights."

Both the market

and the Treasury were well pleased at the outcome of the opera

tion.

Mr. Rouse said he was surprised that subscriptions for the

long-term 3-1/2 per cent bonds had not been larger; he had expected

an amount above $2 billion rather than the $1.7 billion subscribed

for.

There was some speculation in this issue at first, but that

soon quieted down.

Trading since the books closed reflects good

investor interest.

The problems confronting open market operations in the near

future are related to Treasury operations.

Mr. Rouse reported that

the Treasury had just sold $100 million of gold and had transferred

the proceeds into its balances to avoid reducing these balances be

low a minimum working level, and another $100 million might be trans

ferred into the balance from the sale of gold today in order to meet

expenditures.

Another problem, related to the Treasury financing,

will be the distribution to investor of the $500-$700 million of new

issues taken by the dealers.

However, the dealers had been success

ful in reducing their positions in preparation for the refunding, so

that their total positions are not dangerously large even with the

addition of the new issues.

Finally, Mr. Rouse reported that the

Treasury will soon have to be in the market again to raise new

money.

It now appears that the Treasury will need another $1 bil

lion to see it through the middle of March.

Since the earliest

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action by the Senate that can be expected on the increase in the

debt ceiling is

February 19, it

might be assumed that the Treasury

will not be in the market to raise this additional cash before late

February or early March.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions during

the period January 28 through February

10, 1958, were approved, ratified, and

confirmed.

At Chairman Martin's request, Mr. Young made a statement on

the economic situation supplementary to the staff memorandum that

had been distributed under date of February 7, 1958.

Mr. Young's

comments were substantially as followss

Up to this point, recession in general activity has

continued:

(1) The index of industrial production for January

is given a preliminary estimate of 133, down 3 index

January declines were again gen

points from December.

eral, but greatest in durable goods and durable goods

related industries.

Manufacturers new orders for December showed a

(2)

2 per cent drop from November and were down 7-1/2 per

The drop in new orders for durables

cent for the year.

Such orders ran a fifth below a

was especially sharp.

year ago.

Except for retail lines where stocks rose some

(3)

what, business inventory liquidation continued in December.

Some liquidation took place at wholesale levels, but

liquidation was mainly concentrated in durable goods

In these lines, liquidation again failed

manufacturing.

to keep pace with the decline in sales so that the stock

sales ratio rose further to the highest level in a decade.

Construction activity in January continued at close

(I)

to record levels with declines in private activity, except

public utilities, offset by increases in public construction,

especially highways.

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(5)

The length of the workweek in January declined

to 38.7 hours, the lowest level of the postwar period, and

unemployment from mid-December to mid-January rose by 1.1

million to 4.5 million, or close to the postwar peak of

4.7 million in February 1950. Further declines in employ

ment were general, but especially marked in durable goods

lines. The rise in unemployment among younger men has been

very sharp, and for women only moderate.

Initial unemploy

ment claims, by the latest reports, are still

at very high

levels.

Insured unemployment is at a record level.

(6) In January, deliveries of new cars were over a

fifth under both December and a year ago. Dealer stocks

rose 40,000 further to 822,000. Used car sales were up

from December, but ran about 4 per cent under last January.

Used car stocks were little

changed at an eighth higher

than last year. At the beginning of the year, used car

prices, after adjustment for depreciation, were about 12

per cent under midsummer levels and 9 per cent under a

year ago.

Used car prices firmed moderately in January.

Total retail sales over-all for December are now

(7)

estimated 2 per cent higher than in November, or double the

increase estimated earlier.

In January, department store

sales declined about 4 per cent from December. Despite

information showing lower department store sales for

January and also very low January sales for new automobiles,

the preliminary Bureau of the Census estimate of total

retail sales for January arrives at a 1 per cent gain in

retail sales over December.

(8) Commodity price levels have not yet shown downturn.

At wholesale, industrial prices continue about a half per

cent higher than in the first half of 1957. Prices of in

dustrial materials have been relatively stable since the

autumn declines, with changes in individual prices off

Prices of processed and fabricated items, which

setting.

were still rising in the autumn, have since been fairly

A few cutbacks in selected prices of fabricated

stable.

goods have occurred recently and reports of off-list con

cessions on other goods are becoming more numerous in the

Prices of foods and foodstuffs have risen

trade press.

again this winter and are 3 per cent above a year ago.

Livestock prices are close to the high of last summer and

about a fifth higher than last year at this time. The

consumer price index for January is expected to show little

change from December.

quarter GNP per

Preliminary estimates of first

(9)

formance are now being made, and these suggest a further

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decline of 4 to 5 billion dollars, annual rate, putting

total output back to the 429 billion level of the first

quarter of last year.

(10) December exports were down sharply after two

months of stability to a level 15 per cent under last

year's first

quarter peak average, but imports apparently

held close to levels of preceding months. While economic

developments in Latin America and Asia are on the weak side,

those in Europe continue to manifest steadines.

In addi

tion to steadiness of economic activity, there are other

encouraging developments for Europe--definite signs of

monetary stabilization for France and reconstitution of

monetary reserves of countries under serious strain in the

summer and early autumn, including Britain.

At the outset, we said that up to this point recession

has continued.

In conclusion, on the basis of the latest

economic data and also on the basis of past experience with

contraction periods, we can say that recession is continuing.

Downward adjustment has gained in momentum and signs of level

ing out, or saucering out, are not yet at hand. That point

may not be far off, however.

Past recessions of moderate

severity have involved declines in production averaging about

10 per cent; the decline from August to date has been 8 per

cent. In the past, the phase of decline has typically been

less than a year, and the pattern of decline has been at

first

rapid and then gradual.

After five months of rapid

decline, the economy should be nearing the phase of gradual

ness. Past cyclical patterns suggest that the upturn phase

when it sets in will not be decisively identifiable as of a

particular month, but will be a phase lasting, at least,

several months and possibly longer. We may, of course, be

surprised at the suddenness, speed, and other characteristics

of revival in economic tendency once a bottom has been

established.

Mr. Thomas next summarized the principal financial developments

in recent weeks as follows:

1. Business loans at city banks were liquidated in

A decrease of

a record-breaking amount during January.

$1.7 billion since Christmas was nearly $1 billion larger

than the December increase. Last year the post-Christmas

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decline of $1.1 billion was about $200 million larger than

the pre-Christmas increase. Nearly all groups of borrowers

showed decreases, with the sales finance companies showing

the largest decline relative both to other groups and to

previous years.

2.

Bank loans on securities fluctuated widely.

After

increasing about $600 million in December, they declined by

almost as much in January, but then increased again last

week by over $500 million. These movements reflected

principally loans to dealers in connection with Treasury

financing operations.

3.

Banks have also increased their own holdings of

securities on balance since the end of November--both Govern

ments and others.

Following a substantial increase in

December of about $1.5 billion, city banks reduced their

holdings of Governments by about $500 million in the first

three weeks of January, but in the past two weeks have again

added to their holdings. The net gain for the past ten weeks

amounts to about $1.5 billion, for total investments, com

pared with a small decrease last year.

4.

Total loans and investments increased more in Decem

ber and have decreased less since the turn of the year than

The net result for

they did last year or the year before.

the 10 weeks has been an increase of about $1 billion this

year compared with a decrease of over $1 billion last year.

On balance this year's increase is largely accounted for by

holdings of securities and loans on securities at New York

City banks.

Demand deposits at banks increased seasonally in

5.

Including the

December and declined seasonally in January.

week in February, which showed a sharp drop last year,

first

the net change in 10 weeks appears to have differed little

from that for the same period last year. United States

Government deposits have declined less this year than they

did last year.

6. Time deposits at city banks, which increased by $700

million in December and January last year, when higher in

terest rates were announced,

advanced even more sharply this

year, showing a growth of over $1 billion. Much of this

growth was in deposits of foreigners at New York City banks.

7. Financing operations by the Treasury have included

some new money obtained smoothly by an increase of $100 mil

lion in each weekly bill issue--now at an end--and the large

scale refunding operation now in process. The latter, as

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pointed out, has involved a large amount of switching of

issues, with dealers and banks increasing their positions

and with bank credit brought in to finance dealers.

Attrition in the maturing issues was normal for the

February maturity, but fairly large for April maturities,

particularly the special bill. This indicated the diffi

culty of obtaining maximum exchanges on issues considerably

prior to maturity at reduced interest rates.

Savings bond

redemptions were smaller in January than they have been.

Treasury cash balances, however, have been kept at lower

levels than in many years. The refunding operation will

result in removing over $5 billion of short-term issues

and increasing the medium and long-term issues outstanding

by a similar amount. About $.5 billion more of short-term

issues will be retired in the next two months, but the

Treasury will also have to obtain about $4 billion of

additional cash through borrowing in the same period.

8.

New security issues by State and local governments

are proceeding at record-breaking volume. Some issues

deferred last year are now being brought out.

Corporate

issues have been about 25 per cent less than in the same

period last year.

Total capital issues in January and

February are about a tenth less than last year's record

figures. Interest in home mortgages is reviving rapidly

and interest rates on mortgages are declining.

9. Short-term interest rates have declined to the

lowest levels since early 1955, while long-term rates have

been somewhat firmer in the past two or three weeks. The

rate structure has been affected by the shift in maturities

of outstanding debt resulting from the Treasury refunding

Some recent purchases of the new securities are

offering.

being carried by dealers and will need to be paid for by

the buyers next week. Consequently an appreciable volume

of adjustments remain to be made in the market before the

interest rate structure can be viewed as reasonably settled.

It is possible that bill rates may not remain at their

present low levels, or other rates will decline further.

10. Reserves to cover credit demands have been abundantly

supplied either through market factors or System operations.

Since the last week of November member bank required reserves

have increased by about $100 million, whereas some decline

At the same

might have been expected on seasonal grounds.

time there has been a larger drop in float than was expected.

Reserves have been supplied, on the other hand, by a larger

than seasonal post-Christmas currency return and recently by

a temporary reduction in Treasury balances at the Reserve

Banks.

Additions to System holdings of Government securi

ties were much larger in December than usual, while the

January decline was smaller than usual with a small net

increase for the 10 weeks, whereas last year there was a

net decrease of nearly $800 million. Some of last year's

reduction was to offset reserve additions resulting from

the $300 million sale of gold to the Treasury by the I.M.F.

Member banks' net reserve positions have shifted from net

borrowed reserves of over $300 million in the last week of

November to free reserves of over $200 million in the past

two weeks, whereas last year net borrowed reserves increased.

11. Projections for the next few weeks, assuming a

normal seasonal pattern for deposits and currency but a

further reduction in Treasury balances and the use of some

of its free gold, indicate that free reserves may fluctuate

around $300 million during February and increase sharply,

though temporarily, to about $700 million in the first

half

of March, unless offset by System operations. A Treasury

financing operation to raise new cash and build up its

balances at any time during this period would lower these

estimates of free reserve averages.

Mr. Hayes then made the following statement of his views with

respect to the business outlook and credit policy:

Nothing has happened in the last two weeks to change our

There is, as yet, no sign

estimate of the business outlook.

that the recession is nearing an end, and as I stated at the

last meeting, we should probably give major attention in de

termining policy to the unfavorable realities of the present

situation, granted that we may be again confronted, in the

not too distant future, with a resumption of the inflationary

problems faced in the last two or three years.

There are no indications that the process of inventory

liquidation has run its course or that capital expenditures

On the en

are about to stabilize at the present level.

well

sufficiently

been

has

couraging side, consumer spending

the

avoid

to

able

be

we

may

that

suggest

to

maintained

spiraling effect of a cumulative recession.

As is often the case, the price situation appears to

be decidedly confused. The generally sideways movement of

wholesale and consumer price indexes may fail to give ade

quate recognition to all of the discounts and markdowns

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actually available to consumers as well as to purchasers

of producers' goods. On the other hand, if the price

indices are taken at face value, we find disturbing

evidence of price rigidity at a time when decreasing

business activity should tend to produce some price

declines.

In the area of bank credit, the last few weeks have

witnessed a very rapid drop in business loans, while

holdings of investments showed little

change, in con

trast with the sizeable growth in investment holdings

during preceding weeks.

The Treasury's successful financ

ing program, involving some curtailment of the available

supply of short-term investments, contributed to the very

sharp reduction in short-term market interest rates,

while at the same time subscriptions for about $1.7 bil

lion of the new long-term 3 1/2s will mean a significant

reduction in the supply of long-term funds available in

the capital markets.

It is still

uncertain whether, and

to what extent, the Treasury will attempt to raise new

cash during the next few weeks. Until this prospect is

clarified, possibly through action next week by the

Senate on the debt ceiling, we will not know how long it

will be necessary to maintain the "even keel" policy

adopted at the last meeting.

Turning to policy, with reference first

to the dis

count rate, I do not think we need be concerned over the

wide disparity which now exists between the discount rate

and the rates on Treasury bills and other market instru

ments.

With borrowing by member banks at a low figure,

in keeping with our current policies, the discount rate

is of limited effect. Even though in general it is

desirable to have the rate maintain reasonably close touch

with the realities of the market, there is no need for any

close correlation from week to week, especially when the

banks are not making active use of the discount window.

Quite apart from the possibility of our having to keep

our "even keel" policy, I would be inclined to leave the

discount rate where it is for the time being.

As for open market operations, I believe that economic

conditions call for continuation of at least the same degree

of ease existing during the past two weeks, during which

period net free reserves have been around the $200 million

It seems well to bear in mind that we should avoid

level.

over-emphasis of free reserves as a measure of ease or

tightness, since the reliability of this kind of measure

may be even less in a period like the present than during

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severe credit restraint. During the past two weeks, at

least until the last few days, there have been ample funds

available in the money market, and Federal funds have held

below the discount rate much of the time.

Furthermore,

commercial banks in New York and other parts of the country

have added to their holdings of short-term Government secu

rities since credit policy eased, indicating that they have

had more than enough funds to take care of customer loan

demand--and any additional funds we might supply might

result mainly in further buying of short-term Governments

by the commercial banks, rather than in a materially higher

level of free reserves.

Parenthetically, I might point out

that improvements in bank liquidity through the accumulation

of short-term Government holdings are part of the pre

conditioning which the banks need, if they are to be

actively seeking new business credits--but we should not

wish to push this "liquefaction" too far too fast. The

lessons that banks and others have learned in the past few

years with respect to keeping their funds very fully

employed may have created a situation in which smaller

free reserve figures can achieve a given degree of real

credit ease than would have been possible in earlier years.

On the other hand, we should also not overlook the possi

bility that a steady figure for net free reserves might

well conceal a steady shrinkage of bank credit under certain

conditions.

All of this points to the desirability of our giving

more attention, as I suggested at the last meeting, to the

trends of total reserves and the money supply as important

criteria for monetary policy. While recognizing the pit

falls in using these criteria in any mechanical way, it does

seem to me encouraging to note that total member bank reserves,

which were at or below last year's level during most of

January, have shown small gains over last year during much of

I would hope that this trend would

the past two-week period.

continue, with a gradually widening excess over last year's

figures.

The current projections suggest that it may be unneces

sary to do much in the way of open market operations over

the next few weeks. We may have to offset to some extent

the bulge in reserves expected in the week ending February

19th, as a result of very low Treasury balances with Re

serve Banks and an increase in float. However, it is

probably just as well that market factors will be working

The sale of bills in sufficient

in the direction of ease.

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volume to retain the present $200 million level of

free reserves might, at least temporarily, affect

the distribution of reserves and create unwanted

pressures in the central money market. My recommenda

tion would be, therefore, that we view $200 million of

free reserves as a rough minimum figure during the

next few weeks, but that the Manager be given leeway

to offset only as much of the expected reserve bulge

as is necessary to avoid significantly easier money

market conditions, while stopping short of a volume

of selling that might tighten the market. Movements

in New York reserve positions and in short-term market

rates of interest would also be used by the Manager as

important guides in maintaining a steadily easy tone

in the money market.

For the time being, I think the directive may be

left unchanged, although at some point I would hope

that we might give official recognition to a wish to

encourage growth in the money supply as an offset to

economic recession.

Mr.

Johns said that Eighth District banks seemed to be well

supplied with reserves.

Except at the Memphis Branch, where an

unusual cotton situation had thrown upon the banks demands for loans

which are not customary at this time of year, there was almost no

discounting at the St. Louis Bark.

For the first

time in a con

siderable period banks are in a mood to welcome applications for

loans and soon may aggressively be seeking loans.

If it were not

for the even keel policy which the Committee adopted two weeks ago

and which he believed should be continued, Mr. Johns said that

perhaps he would be somewhat more generous in supplying reserves,

and he might think that the Bank should begin to consider another

reduction in discount rate.

However, he assumed the even keel

policy would make such action inappropriate at the present time,

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and he thus favored continuing about the present position.

Mr.

Bryan said that he had not receded from the view that,

while recent Committee policy had been in the right direction, it

had been inadequate.

From mid-November to February 5 the net change

in total reserves in the banking system amounted to only $34 million

on a daily average basis.

In Mr.

Bryan's opinion, this had been

seriously inadequate in a period of recession.

Mr. Williams reported that recession continued in the

Philadelphia District.

Manufacturing employment continued to

decline and there was a substantial labor surplus.

Department

store sales were holding up well, but automobile registrations

were off in

January following an increase in December as compared

with a year earlier.

Construction awards in December were about

12 per cent below a year ago.

Business loans were down 4 per cent

from last year, when they were relatively low.

Member bank borrow

ings presently were only a fifth of the year-ago level.

Mr. Williams said that recession at the national level,

both in magnitude and pervasiveness,

suggested consideration of a

further change in the discount rate in the near future if this

movement should continue.

At present, his view was that free

reserves should be continued at about the existing level.

Mr.

Fulton said that a Fourth District businessman had

characterized the present situation with the comment that it

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seemed to be stabilizing on a low plateau.

Unemployment appeared

to be leveling off. Claims for benefits continued to rise but at

a lesser rate than for some time.

tinued.

Liquidation of inventories con

Steel operations in the Pittsburgh area were up slightly

during the past week but in the Cleveland section had declined to

34

per cent of capacity reflecting lowered operations at pipe mills

which had suffered severe cancellations for steel for gas pipe lines.

Heavy construction was holding up fairly well, but residential con

struction had declined largely for seasonal reasons.

Although

department store sales were down from the strong December level,

sales during the past four weeks had approximated last year's

performance.

Business loans at banks had been reduced 50 per cent

Banks were in

more this year than last.

and were looking for term loans again.

an easier reserve position

Mr. Fulton said that in view

of the leveling off of the decline, he felt the discount rate should

stay where it

is

and that the reserve position of banks should be

maintained about where it

has been during the past two weeks.

The

Manager of the System Account should be given latitude to meet any

situation that might arise.

Mr.

Shepardson said that Mr.

Young's report indicated clearly

that the economy had not reached the bottom of the recession yet.

was concerned as to what part the System should play in bringing

about an upturn.

Recalling the comments at the preceding meeting

He

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regarding the lack of growth in the money supply and Mr. Irons'

suggestion that in 1957 the shift from demand to time deposits

affected the statistics, Mr. Shepardson said that the change in

velocity of money over the past year also was of significance.

At his request, the staff had prepared some figures which indicated

that, while demand deposits adjusted had risen by only .5 per cent

in 1957, the product of deposits times turnover had risen consist

ently over the past several years.

In 1957,

this increase amounted

to 7 per cent compared to a range of 6.4 per cent to 8.6 per cent

in

the previous five years.

Mr. Shepardson said that it

did not

seem to him in light of these figures that the slowdown in growth

of demand deposits had necessarily resulted in an inadequate growth

in the effective money supply essential to supporting normal growth

in the economy.

He wondered what would be accomplished by a f urther

relaxation of credit at this time, adding that in his view there

was considerable doubt that such a move would be desirable in terms

of the long-run objectives of growth and stability.

on this comment,

Mr.

In elaborating

Shepardson made a statememt substantially as

follows

evidence of inability to obtain

First, there is little

credit to meet legitimate needs of business. On the con

trary, there is increasing evidence that banks and other

lending institutions are in a position to meet such needs

and are anxious to do so.

Second, it is difficult to identify desirable types

of expenditure which might be stimulated by increased

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credit availability or lower credit cost at this juncture.

Encouragement by easier credit for further business plant

and equipment expenditure at this time, even if it were

possible, would be highly questionable in the light of the

current relationship between capacity and final takings.

Furthermore, this is one of the areas where costs have

increased at a comparatively rapid rate and are still

at

high levels. For example, wholesale prices of machinery

and motive products, as measured by the B.L.S. index are

still at about 150 per cent of the 1947-9 average--an all

time high.

While there may be isolated instances of needed State

or local expenditure programs that are still being post

poned in the hope of more favorable financing, I am doubtful

that further credit ease at this juncture would bring forth

any substantial increase in this type of expenditure.

I see no reason to suppose that further easing of

credit conditions generally would bring about a constructive

increase in the availability of credit to consumers for

durable goods purchases and thus stimulate consumer expendi

tures in this area.

Current evidence indicates that such

credit is readily available on as liberal terms as prudent

lending policy would permit.

The one area where further credit ease might provide

an important stimulus is in construction--especially in the

residential sector. Activity here is already being stimu

lated by an increased availability of funds from savings

Further easing of the

banks and insurance companies.

general credit situation would undoubtedly increase the

interest of these institutions, and of commercial banks and

savings and loan associations, in both completed mortgages

and commitments to take mortgages generated in the coming

building season. While building activity arising from

increased credit availability and lowered credit cost might

provide an added cushion in the months ahead, I am impressed

by the possibility that over-building, at this juncture,

might result in an excess supply of houses priced beyond the

means of the bulk of potential buyers.

Building costs are still near their all time highs and,

as the Chairman has pointed out from time to time before

Congressional committees, they have risen more rapidly in

the postwar period than most other costs. In the same period

builders have geared their operations and expectations to the

very high rate of family formation and a large backlog of

In this climate, the ready availability of mortgage

demand.

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funds at low rates--perhaps even low enough to activate

a last spurt in the VA program--could encourage builders

to start more houses than could be sold at the high prices

present costs dictate.

All this seems to me to argue strongly in favor of a

cautious and moderate policy so far as the Federal Reserve

is concerned. This is certainly not a time when the bank

ing system should be squeezed for liquidity and I want it

to be perfectly clear that I am not urging any reversal

of the present policy, which has permitted a considerable

increase in liquidity, both at banks and other financial

institutions. I also recognize that to some extent the

current ease in credit markets may be due to seasonal in

fluences and that some action on the part of the Manage

ment of the Account may be necessary to maintain the

present degree of ease in the weeks ahead. I have no

objection to such action, but I do not feel that addi

tional ease--beyond that which has prevailed in the last

two weeks--is necessary or desirable at this time.

Mr. Shepardson said that he would not favor a change in the

discount rate at the present time and that, with the usual leeway

being given to the Manager of the System Account, he would suggest

that we should aim at holding about the present level of reserves

during the next three weeks.

Mr. Robertson stated that in his view we should retain the

status quo in

our credit policy for the immediate future at least,

and since in his opinion this would be in accord with the majority

view, he requested the privilege to insert in

the record the follow

ing comments prepared to substantiate his conclusion, together with

the right to re-enter the discussion in the event the majority view

was not in accordance therewith.

his statement is

set forth below:

This privilege having been granted,

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Let me say at the outset that my remarks today should

not be interpreted as a criticism of past policy or action,

even though I have not agreed with all recent aspects of

such policy and action as it has developed. Rather, my

remarks today assume our current position and are addressed

to the most appropriate next steps forward.

To state my conclusion before my arguments, it is for

the retention of the status quo in our credit policy, for

the immediate future at least, rather than for an intensifi

cation of our already rapid easing actions. I reach this

conclusion for the following reasons:

In the first

place, we have already achieved, or are

in the process of achieving, through actions already taken,

the lion's share of the contribution that credit easing

action can make in a recession. This has been clearly

indicated by such developments as the very dramatic de

clines in market interest rates, the greater availability

of all types of capital as well as credit, the re-emergence

of many previously postponed security issues of business

corporations and State and local governments, and the

reduction in mortgage discount rates.

Moreover, it is generally recognized that credit easing

actions take time before they achieve their full effective

ness, that is, before they achieve their maximum impact on

Why not give our previous

spending and investing decisions.

before rushing into

effect

to

take

time

a

little

actions

further rapidly easing actions?

My fears regarding further rapidly easing actions stem

from a feeling that such action not only would not add

materially further in assisting recovery, but also that it

might very well lead to credit maladjustments and over

commitments that would actually delay the development of a

Unduly sharp and rapid

healthy and sustainable recovery.

changes in interest rates and capital values produce

speculative developments that disturb rather than settle

financial markets and distort rather than promote economic

In fact, to my mind, overeasing now could so

development.

contribute to misguided financial decisions that it would

enhance the likelihood of the economy having to go through

a protracted period of severe liquidation and structural

realignment before it recovers.

My plea for retention of the existing degree of credit

and monetary ease is based also on the firm view that our

longer-run inflation problem is still very much with us. I

am greatly concerned that we are not getting the price ad

justments that are so necessary before a healthy recovery

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can set in.

And I feel very strongly that the economic

situation this spring should be such as to insure sound

and sustainable wage contracts rather than one that en

courages business management to accede to wage demands

that are in excess of gains in productivity.

It seems to me that we would all do well to examine

carefully the economic road that England is taking today.

She seems to be facing her all important wage problems

and the longer-run adjustment of demands to resources in

a much more direct and potentially effective manner than

we are.

To conclude, I would strongly urge that we continue

to maintain a free reserve position of banks at approxi

mately the recent level and that no further action on

discount rates be taken. Although discount rates are for

the moment out of line with Treasury bill and other short

term market rates of interest, I regret the very rapid

decline in such short-term market rates that has occurred

recently and that we have facilitated by our open market

operations. If we maintain our present credit posture,

however, I feel that rates will re-attain an alignment

which to my mind would be more consistent with our aim

of contributing to monetary and credit developments in a

way that will maximize the possibility of achieving a

firm and vigorous recovery once needed readjustments have

occurred.

There are no important basic reasons why the discount

rate should be moved immediately in line with existing

lower market rates. For the time being the 2-3/4 per cent

rate will do no great harm. As long as money seems to be

relatively easy in the market, as it has been in recent

weeks, with free reserves available to the banking system

and Federal funds generally quoted at much below 2-3/4 per

cent, the 2-3/ per cent discount rate is not an effective

rate in terms of the market and the banking community. In

the 1953-54 easy money period, the discount rate generally

lagged behind the Treasury bill rate and the spread between

these two rates was much wider than during the following

tighter money period. The availability of funds during

such periods is a more important consideration than the

level of this key rate. Furthermore, an additional dis

count rate drop at the moment might cause unwarranted

concern over the economic condition of the nation.

On the other hand, there are reasons why serious

consideration should be given to moving the discount rate

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down in the not too distant future so as to be more in

line with market rates. If the economy turnsaround and

begins to boom again later in the present year, there

is something to be said for having the discount rate at

that time in close proximity with existing market rates

so that upward adjustments could be made not only rapidly

but, if necessary, in quite large jumps so as to be

effective in resisting inflationary pressures.

Mr.

Committee,

Mills said that between now and the next meeting of the

development of Systtm policy would have to be shaped

against two almost conflicting factors.

On the one hand, there was

evidence of accelerating momentum to the deflationary tendencies in

evidence, while on the other hand it

the first

quarter of each year is

vitality and obscure visibility.

is

known from experience that

always a period of low economic

There is

a possibility that as

spring opens up economic activity will revive.

ever,

As of today, how

the acceleration of deflationary tendencies is

problem and it

background.

is

the overriding

necessary to shape System policy against that

To do so requires the Committee to look on public

attitude and psychology as an economic factor rather than as a

general outside influence and to be alert to the fact that in the

public view, the System has lagged in providing reserves and thereby

in

giving the kind of encouragement that derives from making addi

tional reserves available to the commercial banking system.

that reasoning,

Mr. Mills said it

On

would be his thought that the

Committee should allow natural factors to assert themselves over

the next three weeks and permit the supply of positive free reserves

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to range around the $300 million level.

to that position it

ruary l4

However, before moving

would be advisable to wait until after Feb

or 15 to see if the windup of the Treasury's financing

operation had resulted in a marked easing of the reserve positions

of central reserve city banks and an easy tone in the money market.

If so, a further increase in the supply of positive free reserves

could be deferred.

Mr. Mills said he shared the concern suggested in Mr. Hayes'

comments that a too free supply of reserves, although initially de

sirable to encourage the commercial banks to strengthen their

liquidity positions, could ultimately force a reduction in

the

level of interest rates to a point that would cause the banks to

extend the maturities of their security holdings in order to main

tain their earnings, and in doing so to impair rather than improve

their liquidity.

Problems from such a development could arise at

such later date as the System found it

necessary to reverse its

credit policy and the comercial banking system was then caught

with a depreciation in the value of its holdings of U. S. Govern

ment and other securities at the same time that a deterioration

in

economic conditions had left a substantial portion of its loans

in a relatively frozen position.

Notwithstanding those potential

difficulties, Mr. Mills said, he felt that the psychological situa

tion should be taken into account in the Committee's policy formu

lation and that the level of positive free reserves should be

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permitted to rise above the $200 million figure.

Mr. Leach said there was little

additional information

on economic conditions in the Fifth District since the preceding

meeting,

but the most recent data on unemployment,

employment,

and production indicated no diminution in the downward tread of

economic activity.

Mr. Leach went on to say that he felt very stronglyperhaps as strongly as one can feel about such things--that

inflation is

our long-run problem and that we may be fighting

it again in the not too distant future.

not our immediate problem.

However, inflation is

There has been a definite recessionary

movement in the economy for some time and the end is not in sight.

Under a flexible monetary policy, Mr.

Leach said, the Committee's

posture should be consistent with the state of the economy.

To

him, this meant that reserve availability should be increased

somewhat further as soon as this could be accomplished without

interfering with the Treasury financing.

Such ease as we had in

1954 when free reserves ranged from $600 to $800 million and the

bill rate fluctuated around 3/

of 1 per cent would be far more

ease than the current situation called for and would create grave

risks for the future.

At this time,

he was thinking in terms of

a degree of ease consistent with free reserves in the $300-$350

million range.

To advance beyond such a range under existing

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circumstances might merely drive down short-term interest rates

without real benefit to the economy.

The Committee now had an

even keel policy during Treasury financings, and this policy would

prevent the Committee from adding to reserves for the time being.

However,

he wished that free reserves were a little higher than

at present, and in

carrying on operations he would be as easy as

we could be without upsetting the principle of an even keel during

the Treasury financing.

Any action should be in

the form of an

easing of reserve availability rather than use of the discount

rate at this time.

Mr.

in the

Leedy said that there had been no change of significance

Tenth District since the preceding meeting.

On the assumption

that operations during the next three weeks should not differ much

from what they had been during the past few weeks,

Mr. Leedy said he

would favor letting the natural forces that were operating to ease

reserve positions have fairly full play with free reserves in the

$200-$300 million range.

He would watch yields on short-term

obligations feeling that largely they should be permitted to find

their own adjustment.

He would not favor a program of providing

much additional ease if it would indicate that the Committee might

be contributing to a substantial further lowering of yields on

short-term obligations.

However, as soon as it

the light of the Treasury's operations,

could be done in

he would permit the natural

forces to have free play moving toward the upper end of the $200-

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$300 million free reserve range.

He would make no change in the

discount rate for the present.

Mr. Allen said that business in the Seventh District had

declined further in the past few weeks although the pace of decline

may have slackened in some sectors.

The level of unemployment con

tinued below the U. S. average in all Seventh District States

excepting Michigan.

District department store sales after showing

up relatively well in

ended January 25.

preceding weeks slumped sharply in

the week

Although steel production continued at a

depressed level, Mr. Allen said that some observers felt that the

firming of the price for steel-making scrap might indicate that

the bottom had been reached in

steel output.

However, he did not

feel sure that inventory liquidation had reached the point where

increased production would soon be required to maintain the current

rate of steel consumption.

With respect to automobiles,

Mr.

Allen reported that sales

did not show the usual pick-up during the last ten days of January.

Average daily sales rate in

the first

10 days of January was 14, 6 57,

during the second 10 days l4,653, during the last 10 days 14, 6 7 2 ,

and for the month as a whole l4,661 or 22 per cent below January

of 1957.

Production continued well ahead of sales and it

looked

as though there would have to be a cutback from the schedule of

112,000 cars a week.

Inventories of new cars in

dealers'

hands

on January 31 totaled 822,000 compared with 726,000 a month

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earlier.

Dividing the inventories on January 31 by average daily

sales during January indicated a 56-day supply of cars in dealers'

hands.

Declines in

loans at Seventh District banks in recent weeks

more than offset deposit declines,

Mr. Allen said, even to the point

of permitting some increase in security holdings.

None of the large

district banks had been using the discount window and only one was

now a regular buyer of Federal funds.

sellers.

The others were regular

The situation suggested continued ready availability of

bank reserves, Mr. Allen said, and this left him where he was two

weeks ago when he expressed the view that we should not move further

in the direction of ease unless and until we felt that the economy

was in a downward spiral which would continue for some time.

He

did not feel that we were in such a spiral and would prefer that

the Committee tread water to judge better the impact of the current

degree of ease before making further moves in that direction.

He

considered that position defensible among other reasons because

of the substantial decline in market rates which had occurred over

such a short period.

Thus, his conclusion was that for the next

three weeks we should stay where we now are.

Mr.

Deming said that a mild slide in employment and produc

tion continued in the Ninth District but that there had not been an

acceleration of the downturn.

However,

crosscurrents in the

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national economic picture bothered him more than usual.

With

prices staying where they were and with retail trade holding

at a high level, he did not have much concern about a progressive

downward spiral.

On the other hand, he found it

more difficult to

be complacent about 1-1/2 million of unemployed.

Mr. Deming went on to say that it

seemed to him the banks

had been using the funds generously supplied in the market to reach

for a degree of liquidity that he had not realized they would reach

for.

He had underestimated how tight they felt last fall.

It

ap

peared that they had been using the reserves coming to them to

provide more liquidity and that the reserves had not made them much

more responsive to new loans.

They seemed comfortable facing the

loan decline that had taken place thus far, and there was no dispo

sition on their part to look for more real estate loans or more

consumer credit loans.

This indicated that while the banks had

received additional reserves the amount had not been adequate to

loosen loaning.

Perhaps in the long run the Committee would not

wish to increase ease, but in the short run he was convinced that

it

should be somewhat easier than it

had been.

He found himself

somewhat closer to the positions of Messrs. Hayes,

Bryan, and Mills

than to the positions expressed by others, although he recognized

the danger of providing greater ease at present.

would think that it

advance somewhat,

However,

he

might be well to let the level of free reserves

perhaps as Mr.

Mills suggested by not trying to

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offset the natural forces.

Free reserves of $300 million plus

would not bother him at all.

Mr. Mangels said that no important statistics had become

available since the preceding meeting to change the picture given

at that time.

He had then reported that Twelfth District employ

ment appeared to have shown only the seasonal changes in December,

but final data becoming available indicated a slight decline during

that month with total employment at the end of December 3/l0ths

of 1 per cent lower than a year earlier.

the worst of the adjustments in

made.

It

appeared that most of

the aircraft industry had now been

This also seemed to be true in the lumber industry and there

was some slight indication of an uptrend,

improved during the spring.

particularly if

building

Steel production had declined during

January and was 7-1/2 per cent lower than a year ago.

Aluminum

production had been cut back because of a lack of demand.

Depart

ment store sales in January were down 3 per cent from December.

Automobile registrations in December were up from November but

were below December 1956.

Both demand and time deposits figures

had increased recently but loans since the beginning of the year

had declined by four times as much as in January 1957.

decline came in business loans.

Nominal borrowings were reported

at the Reserve Bank and local banks were still

Federal funds.

The largest

net sellers of

There was some feeling in the investment departments

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of banks that the bill

rate would not go to over 2 per cent in the

near future.

On the whole, the economy was still operating at a high

level, Mr.

Mangels said, with adjustments having taken place and

more adjustments to come.

These, however, seemed to be of a

beneficial character and there had been an increase in productivity

with a reduction in waste and inefficiency.

Mr. Mangels thought

that it might well be that we were not far from an upward surge in

the growth pattern, and if

too much ease were indicated by the

System some of the adjustments taking place might be discouraged

with the result that subsequently there might be a decline more

precipitous than if the adjustments were now continued.

Mr.

Mangels

said he had been happy with the recent rise in the bill rate and,

looking ahead, he would assume that free reserves in the $200 mil

lion range would be about right.

There should be no change in the

Committee's directive and he had no comment to make on the discount

rate.

Mr.

Irons said there had been little

that he had reported two weeks ago.

about as he did at that time.

change in the picture

With respect to policy, he felt

He would like to see no further easing.

He believed the availability of reserves had been quite adequate and

that this was reflected in the rate structure in the market.

He

would suggest continuation of about the same policy that the Com

mittee had been following in the past two to three weeks, and he

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would certainly not wish to move in

easing.

It

the direction of further

was obvious that there should be no move in the op

posite direction.

He would have no suggestion of a change from

the 2-3/4 per cent discount rates prevailing at most Reserve Banks.

Net free reserves in the $200 million range would seem to be all

right.

He would not favor any aggressive action either by the

Open Market Committee or by means of a change in reserve require

ments to provide additional reserves to the market.

with the comments Mr.

He was pleased

Mills had made about letting market factors

have their influence, but he would not wish to see that carried to

the point that would result in

now existed.

additional ease beyond that which

Mr. Irons also commented that while there had been

reference to an even keel during the Treasury financing, his position

would be the same even if the Treasury were not in the picture.

would still

He

come to the conclusion that he had expressed, namely,

that there should be no further easing at this time.

Mr. Erickson said that the recession in business in the

First District continued without any particular evidence of either

acceleration or lessening.

Last week one of the Boston Bank's

outside men reported that he had been told that four machine tool

manufacturers were re-hiring men, while one was reducing the number

of work hours.

Mr.

Erickson said that the Boston Bank had checked

with two of the larger firms.

in

One reported that orders for machinery

December were substantially down from October and November and

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that January was no better, but that the industry as a whole might

show some improvement.

The other concern reported that the slow

down of new orders for defense products up until the first

December had been reversed.

of

Department store sales in the first

five weeks of 1958 were 3 per cent ahead of last year.

In the

survey of consumer credit, the data from 177 lenders made up of

banks,

finance companies,

and credit unions, showed a drop in

outstandings in December of $1.8 million despite a 7.9 per cent

rise in

first

extensions between November and December.

This was the

time that outstandings had dropped since the series was

started in 1956.

he felt

Mr. Erickson said that for the next three weeks

that there should be no change in discount rates and that

free reserves might be continued in

Mr.

the $200-$300 million range.

Szymczak said that he still

felt as he had two weeks

ago that the downturn would come to an end during the second quarter

of the year and would show a leveling off or a slight upturn in

midyear.

If

the decline should continue, that would add to the

problems of the System.

unemployed.

We could not disregard four to five million

On policy, for the present he would continue about what

the System has been doing, but he would allow the market to add to free

reserves up to the $300 million level or a little

bit more.

He was

sorry that the discount rate could not be reduced at this time.

had been hoping that it

He

could be reduced to 2-1/2 per cent but this

seemed impossible at present.

Therefore he would continue the

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policy the Committee had been following, allowing the market to

provide reserves.

Mr.

Balderston said that it

now seemed clear to him that

the depression involved more than an inventory adjustment.

was consumer debt that inhibited buying,

excess capacity,

profit squeeze and cost-price maladjustment.

There

and a

One could hope that

no new increase in wages and price rises of pervasive type would

occur this spring although that might be a vain hope.

Whether

managements and union officials would exhibit the needful restraint

was yet to be seen, he said.

One could not yet be certain that the

upward creep of prices and wages had been halted.

The dilemma of

substantial unemployment was already here and its future extent

and duration could not now be determined.

Mr.

Balderston's guess

would be that the imprudent decisions of 1955 and 1956 and the

resultant waste and inefficiency would take considerable time to

overcome and that the depression would last until inventory shrink

age, price adjustments, and sales programs had taken care of some

of the excess capacity.

If, therefore, we must contemplate a

depression of unknown length and severity, the question was what

should be done.

Mr. Balderston's preference was for the use of tax reduction

to place substantial funds of specific amount in the hands of indi

viduals but on a one-shot basis that he hoped would be controlled

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as to amount.

He was speaking of action to be taken by the

Congress in terms of payroll deductions.

not next year but right now.

This he would do

This action would permit monetary

policy to be held back for a more propitious time.

In the interim,

monetary policy would be used only to facilitate the adjustments

but not to force so much reserves on the banks as to induce

speculation and to bid up bond prices unduly.

and bank liquidity needed to be rebuilt.

However, corporate

Free reserves of about

1/4 to 1/3 of a billion dollars would be conducive to this, Mr.

Balderston thought, and would help to soften the harshness of the

downward adjustment.

The current discount rates seemed to him

appropriate for the moment, and he would not change the Committee's

directive or the level of reserves at the present time.

Chairman Martin said he was not going to discuss tax policy

or make a prediction on the time when the recession would end, but

considering the fact that the Ides of March were approaching it

seemed to him that the group was surprisingly optimistic.

He thought

that we might well expect at this time of year a great deal of

pessimism.

This was being indicated by some of the comments of

members of the Congress.

It was difficult to distinguish between

pure politics and the real situation, but this did not minimize

the importance of having 4-1/2 to 5 million of unemployed persons.

As to the views expressed this morning, the Chairman said

that there seemed to be a surprising agreement in the comments made.

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His own view was that the policy the Committee had been following

was about right and that the results had been about as much as

could have been anticipated in putting the posture of the System

where it

should be.

The people who had been thinking that the

System was wrong on the tight money policy now were spending their

time saying that the System had lagged in easing too little or too

late.

He did not think these commentators were entitled to too

much consideration in taking such an approach.

It might be neces

sary at a later time, if there were clear indications that the

recession was spiraling, to do something more drastic than had

been done to date, but it did not seem to him at the moment that

that was the case.

He questioned some of the comments on the

discount rate, stating that it really did not mean too much at the

present time.

There had been two downward adjustments recently

and borrowings continued to lag.

If one wanted to be completely

technical, perhaps it would have been desirable to have gone to a

2-1/

or 2-1/2 per cent discount rate rather than to 2-3/4 per cent,

but it was his view that the System should be extremely careful at

the present time about making greater difficulties by taking too

many actions that were not effective.

Quite aside from the Treasury's

problem, if the discount rate were to be changed at the moment it

might indicate that the situation was worse; it might be construed

as a sign of panic and desperation on the part of the System and it

probably would not achieve any constructive results.

This should be

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borne in mind in using any of the instruments of System policy.

The problem of reserve requirements which would be discussed

later today at the joint meeting of the Presidents and the Board

was one which must be considered carefully.

If the System re

quested legislation in this field, that would be construed as a

move toward reducing reserve requirements.

Chairman Martin said that during the next three weeks he

would favor doing just about what the Committee has been doing

during the past three weeks.

He liked the views Mr. Leach had

expressed in indicating that we might follow an "even keel policy

tipped on the side of ease."

He did not believe we could measure

the degree of ease closely and he recognized that the Manager of

the System Account would have to use his judgment.

He would not

wish to have any sizable increase in reserves develop but would

think that the $200-$300 million range that had been mentioned

and which was close to where we were at the moment would be about

right and would be about as close as we could come to a consensus

of the comments given in the go-around today.

He also gathered

that no change was desired in the Committee's directive.

In re

sponse to Chairman Martin's question as to whether any of the

members of the Committee differed with this statement, no comments

were made, and he suggested, therefore,

that the Committee reaffirm

the directive to the New York Bank without change, with the

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understanding that operations would be carried on along the lines

of the foregoing comments.

Mr. Rouse stated in response to the Chairman's question

that he understood that policy would be continued with the same

objective toward which the System Account had been aiming its

operations during the past two weeks.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Committee voted

unanimously to direct the Federal Re

serve Bank of New York until otherwise

directed by the Committee:

(1)

To make such purchases, sales, or exchanges

(including replacement of maturing securities, and

allowing maturities to run off without replacement)

for the System Open Market Account in the open market

or, in the case of maturing securities, by direct

exchange with the Treasury, as may be necessary in

the light of current and prospective economic conditions

and the general credit situation of the country, with a

view (a) to relating the supply of funds in the market

to the needs of commerce and business, (b) to cushioning

adjustments and mitigating recessionary tendencies in

the economy, and (c) to the practical administration of

the account; provided that the aggregate amount of

securities held in the System Account (including commit

ments for the purchase or sale of securities for the

Account) at the close of this date, other than special

short-term certificates of indebtedness purchased from

time to time for the temporary accommodation of the

Treasury, shall not be increased or decreased by more

than $1 billion;

To purchase direct from the Treasury for the

(2)

account of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (with

discretion, in cases where it seems desirable, to issue

participations to one or more Federal Reserve Banks)

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such amounts of special short-term certificates of

indebtedness as may be necessary from time to time

for the temporary accommodation of the Treasury;

provided that the total amount of such certificates

held at any one time by the Federal Reserve Banks

shall not exceed in the aggregate $500 million;

(3)

To sell direct to the Treasury from the

System Account for gold certificates such amounts

of Treasury securities maturing within one year as

may be necessary from time to time for the accomooda

tion of the Treasury; provided that the total amount

of such securities so sold shall not exceed in the

aggregate $500 million face amount, and such sales

shall be made as nearly as may be practicable at the

prices currently quoted in the open market.

At this point Mr. Leonard, Director of the Board's Division

of Bank Operations,

entered the room.

Chairman Martin referred to the report submitted by the System

Committee for the Study of Float dated December 16, 1957, and to the

preliminary comments regarding that report made by Mr. Robertson at

the meeting on December 17, and he requested that Mr. Robertson now

review the recommendations contained in that report.

Mr. Robertson stated that the reports of the System Committee

dated May 31, 1957,and December 16, 1957, and the April 19, 1957,

report of its Subcommittee,

mendations.

1.

submitted four basic questions or recom

These were:

How should float fluctuations affect open market

operations?

This question is before the Open Market

Committee today.

2.

What should be the role of the Federal Reserve Banks

in the check collection process?

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serve Banks and the Board. The Presidents'

Conference should be asked for a recommenda

tion on this.

3.

Change in time schedules to provide a maximum of 3

day instead of 2-day deferment.

This is an important question because, for one

thing, any such change would absorb approxi

mately $100 million reserves.

Here again, the

Presidents' Conference should be asked for a

recommendation.

4.

A review of operating practices, with a view to

action leading to reduction of float and greater

uniformity of operating practices within the System.

While some of the findings and conclusions in

this area might depend upon the decision as to

the role of the Federal Reserve in the check

collection process, the Subcommittee on Col

lections might start promptly to formulate

some tentative conclusions.

There should be no delay in making this review,

which could lead to improved practices, in

creased efficiency, and a more realistic

collection system. The review also might

demonstrate, of course, that there is no

possibility of improvement in these respects.

Mr. Robertson went on to comment in detail on these basic

points.

His statement was substantially as follows:

On the question of how should float fluctuations

affect open market operations, the Committee's report

of December 16, 1957 recommended that the Open Market

Committee determine the following policy questions raised

in the Committee's report of May 31:

1. Are float fluctuations sufficiently large and

frequent to seriously and adversely affect

administration of credit policy and open market

operations?

2.

Could float fluctuations be disregarded except

in periods of major seasonal changes, such as

Decem er-January?

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Apart from fluctuations as such, should the

Federal Reserve System nevertheless take action

to reduce the ever-increasing average level of

float? Why? If so, what action should the

System take to offset the resulting loss in

member bank reserves?

4.

To what extent does the trading desk attempt

to offset fluctuations in float?

5.

To what extent is the desk expected by the Open

Market Committee to offset fluctuations in float?

The December 16 report stated that there would seem to

be three possible basic approaches:

1. Ignore float as a special factor, base operations

on the general reserve position, and treat changes

in reserves due to float the same as changes due

to other factors.

2. Treat float as a rather special factor, make

allowance for the temporary nature of the swings

in reserves due to fluctuations in float, and at

tempt to offset fluctuations in float or not

depending on the circumstances.

3. Generally ignore changes due to float (except

possibly for such major swings as in December

January) and endeavor to make it understood that

fluctuations in free reserves (or any other aspect

of the reserve position) due to fluctuations in

float have no significance with respect to Federal

Reserve policy. To further such understanding,

the System might release daily figures as to the

amount of float.

Another possibility would be a combination of 2. and 3.,

that is,

4. Plan to offset only unusual fluctuations in float

or those covering longer than usual periods, and

endeavor to make it understood that fluctuations

in free reserves (or any other aspect of the re

serve position) due to fluctuations in float have

no significance with respect to Federal Reserve

policy.

To further such understanding the System

might release daily figures as to the amount of

float.

The second basic question that was presented was, what

should be the role of the Federal Reserve Banks in the check

collection process?

What has been the System's role historically? What

is it now? What should it be? Should the System, for

example, take positive steps to reduce the proportion

of total check volume that is collected through the

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System's facilities?

A number of the Subcommittee's specific recom

mendations, if followed, would tend in the latter

direction: For example, sponsorship and organiza

tion of regional clearing facilities; a program

designed to channel items payable in other Federal

Reserve cities (interdistrict items) from first

collecting banks directly to correspondent banks

in those cities.

The Reserve Banks, of course, should provide

rapid and efficient check collection service. How

ever, in certain situations, better or at least equally

good service can be provided through other channels.

In such circumstances, the Reserve Banks might well

welcome the use of such other means.

A clear-cut answer to this question as to the

proper role of the Reserve Banks would provide an

important guide to those who may be assigned to study

the specific recommendations of the Subcommittee on

Float and to formulate plans for carrying out those

that appear to be desirable. Pending a definite

answer to this broad policy question, the Presidents'

Conference might well direct its Committee on

Collections and Accounting to begin studying this

question.

The third basic question was whether there should be a

change in time schedules to provide a maximum of 3-day in

stead of 2-day deferment.

This raises an important policy and bank relations

question: After having been on a 2-day maximum defer

ment schedule for several years, should the System now

alter that policy?

It also raises some practical operation problems:

Whether intra-district but inter-zone items should

continue to have 2-day maximum deferment; and what, if

anything, can or should be done about the relatively

large volume of intra-zone items that can not be col

lected in less than 3 days.

Any such change would absorb approximately $400

million reserves (page 10 in the Subcommittee report).

The change could have an important effect on the reserve

positions of some banks, particularly the larger banks

that deposit in big volume. If such a change is to be

made, it might be considered along with any other major

moves affecting either the amount of reserve balances

or the amount of required reserves.

This change is urged by some on the grounds that

the present time schedule is "unrealistic." If the

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change is to be made on that basis, the Reserve Banks

might also logically change some of their time

schedules and practices which are equally "unrealistic,'

such as immediate credit for New Orleans items when,

because of clearing house rules, they can not be col

lected until the following day, and the practice at

New York, where immediate credit is given for drafts

drawn on certain nonbanking corporations although the

Bank receives payment for them in clearing house funds

which are not collected until the following day.

The fourth basic question or recommendation was that there

be a review of operating practices, with a view to action lead

ing to reduction of float and greater uniformity of operating

practices within the System.

The Subcommittee's recommendations with respect to

matters coming under this heading are summarized princi

pally on pages 5-8 of the System Committee's report of

May 31.

The Subcommittee's report shows (Chart VI following

page 13) that for the 3-month period covered in the

survey 62 per cent of float was due to items forwarded

for collection (transit float), whereas 38 per cent of

the float was incident to operations at the Reserve

Banks.

Most of this latter category--about 85 per cent-

was due to holdover.

On page 8 of the program suggested by the System

Committee in its report of May 31, the Committee endorsed

strongly the suggestions of the Subcommittee, summarized

in the following paragraph:

The Subcommittee suggests that the Subcommittee on

Collections (or such other group as may be deemed

appropriate) be charged with the assignment of

studying check collection and other operating

policies and procedures in the various Federal Re

serve offices with a view to (a) drawing up a

reasonably precise statement of principles and

objectives which would be accepted on a System

wide basis, and (b) making recommendations as to

specific operating policies or procedures in

particular offices which lead to the absorption

of float.

The following expression of views of the Subcommittee

seems pertinent:

The Subcommittee has the general feeling that there

should be more uniformity among Reserve offices as to

their basic approach to check collection and other

operations leading to float. It has no wish to see

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prescribed rigid and uniform operating practices, but

it does believe that a statement of principles and

objectives could be framed on a System-wide basis.

Further, it believes that were this done, some of the

variation in operating practices and procedures would

disappear.

Finally, it believes that a close appraisal

of certain of these local practices by a System com

mittee would lead to the elimination of such practices

and to a consequent reduction in float.

(Page 7.)

In this connection, it might be well to ask some

one like John Davis to work with a System committee in

the proposed review and to be responsible for the

follow-through.

The System committees and subcommittees

are made up of men with full-time responsibilities.

The

assistance, therefore, of someone like John Davis, who

could devote a substantial part of his time to the work

and who could bring to it the viewpoint of one who is

thoroughly familiar with the System but is no longer an

active part of it, could expedite the review and its

translation into action.

The System Committee's report of May 31 contained the fol

lowing paragraphs:

The System Committee suggests that the designated

System authorities, committees, and subcommittees make

careful studies of the suggested program and formulate

specific steps to carry it out. If, however, studies

clearly indicate that it would not be advisable or

feasible to carry out some particular part of the

program, there is, of course, no need to attempt to

formulate steps to do so, but there should be a clear

cut statement of the reasons why that part of the

program should not or can not be carried out.

Upon receipt of the studies called for in the

attached memorandum, the System Committee will proceed

to analyze them and then submit its report. The

System Committee trusts that the various reports re

quested may be received by the end of this coming

September.

The System Committee's report of December 16 concluded

with the following paragraph:

The Subcommittee on the Study of Float made a

thorough study, accumulated much material, and

produced a most worth-while report. That report,

a copy of which you have received, raises a number

The System Committee

of challenging questions.

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believes that the benefits of the work already

done should not be lost and that the time is ripe

for the System to make a thoroughgoing review of

its check collection functions and operations.

As a basis for such study, the Committee submits

this report, its report of May 31, and the report

of its Subcommittee.

Returning to the question before the Committee of how float

fluctuations should affect open market operations,

said that his personal feeling was that it

Mr. Robertson

would be desirable to

combine the second and third possible basic approaches that had

been outlined in

the December 16 report.

This would be along the

lines of having the Open Market Committee plan to offset only unusual

fluctuations in float or those covering longer than usual periods.

There should also be an effort to bring about an understanding that

fluctuations in free reserves (or any other aspect of the reserve

position) due to fluctuations in float have no significance with

respect to Federal Reserve policy.

To further such understanding,

the System might release daily figures as to the amount of float.

Mr. Robertson hoped that, whatever the approach decided upon by the

Open Market Committee,

it

would not throw cold water on the need for

further study of float which was an important System problem and

should be dealt with.

Regardless of whether the decision was to

offset fluctuations in

float through open market operations, the

work already done provided a basis for further studies that would

look toward eliminating as much of the float as possible.

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Mr.

Erickson stated that Mr.

Robertson had given an

excellent summary of the reports submitted by the System Com

mittee for the Study of Float, and by its

Subcommittee.

On the

question before the Open Market Committee today, he found himself

in the same position as that indicated by Mr. Robertson, that is,

of the three possible basic approaches that the Committee might

take with respect to float, it would seem preferable to combine

the second and third alternatives that had been outlined in the

December 16 report.

This would mean we would try to offset only

unusual fluctuations in float, and there would be an attempt to

make it

understood that fluctuations in

free reserves because of

float had no significance as far as Federal Reserve policy was

concerned.

Mr. Erickson suggested that Mr.

Rouse might also com

ment as to whether the procedure agreed upon at the December 17

meeting and made effective at the end of December for reporting

by the Reserve Banks of daily figures by telegram to help the New

York Bank in preparing estimates of reserves had improved the

situation.

Mr. Rouse said that he had addressed a letter on February 7

to the individual Reserve Banks which said, in effect, that the

figures currently being obtained were much improved over those pre

viously available.

Mr. Rouse also replied to a question by Mr. Leach

as to what changes would result if

the recommendations made by Mr.

Robertson were adopted, stating that a combination of the two

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alternatives that Messrs. Robertson and Erickson had said they

favored might present problems in making decisions and it would

seem necessary to allow a fair amount of discretion to the System

Account for dealing with these problems.

However,

he said he would

like an opportunity to study the problem before expressing firm

judgments on how operations might be affected.

Mr. Robertson said that his suggestion was not meant to

bring about immediate changes in

procedure but would require experi

mentation which might take a good many months in order to determine

how operations could be improved.

Mr.

Johns said that as the third member of the Committee that

had studied float, he shared the feeling Mr.

Rouse had expressed re

garding the difficulty of combining the two alternatives that Messrs.

Robertson and Erickson felt could be followed in

At the time the float study was started, it

dealing with float.

appeared that fluctua

tions in float were interfering substantially with execution of open

market policy, Mr. Johns said, and it

then seemed to him that the

System needed to get some facts after which it would decide what it

wished to do.

Float was only one of the factors affecting reserve

positions and causing short-run fluctuations, he noted, and he had

come to the conclusion, which was still

tentative, that in the past

we had attempted to do too much in the way of evening out short-run

changes in reserve positions.

He doubted seriously whether the

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fluctuations, which the commercial banks might not be able to

identify as to source but which they recognized as temporary,

caused commercial banks to make basic decisions in lending and

investment policies.

the case.

In fact, it now appeared that this was not

In questioning the purpose of the System's attempts to

iron out the short-run positions in reserves,

Mr. Johns said his

tentative opinion was that there was not as much to be concerned

about as had been assumed at the time the study of float was

started.

Turning to the question of the deferred availability

schedule, Mr. Johns said that he would like to see this changed

back to a three-day maximum deferment schedule because he questioned

seriously whether as an incidence to the check collection system the

Federal Reserve should be supplying reserves in the manner caused by

the two-day maximum deferment schedule.

He then reiterated his

general view that the System was trying to do too much with the

open market tool.

Even though the projections of reserves had

been improved as a result of the new procedure for submitting

daily figures, there were still errors, and attempts to offset

fluctuations in reserves resulting from float and other factors by

conducting open market operations in New York and Chicago might

put in

reserves at a time and place when they were not needed or

take them out when they were needed.

In sum, Mr.

Johns had great

reservations about trying to offset these aberrations in float

through open market operations.

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Mr.

Mr.

Hayes said he was in almost complete agreement with

Robertson on studies to be made.

He agreed that the suggested

studies should be made with a view to the possibility of reducing

float fluctuations.

He would put greatest stress on changing the

deferred availability time schedule which he considered to be the

key operating question.

He leaned not so much to a rigid three-day

time schedule as to abandonment of the rigid two-day schedule,

Presidents'

this study.

The

Conference Committee on Collections might well pursue

With respect to the role of check collection operations,

Mr. Hayes said he would like to see a committee at work on that

subject and he would like to see something in the way of specific

suggestions to implement the report of the Joint Committee on Check

Collection study that had been gathering dust because of the unwill

ingness of commercial banks to take it

up; he thought it

might be

desirable to consider whether the System should adopt some of the

recommendations of that study,

commercial banks.

Mr.

even without the endorsement of the

Hayes suggested that if

this meeting felt these studies should be made,

the group present at

it

could now be

understood that the appropriate committees of the Presidents'

Conference were directed to proceed with the studies.

With respect to the effects of float on open market operations,

Mr.

Hayes said that it

was clear to him that these fluctuations were

important and that the Committee should try to minimize them.

He

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leaned more toward the second alternative approach by the Committee

than the third.

While he sympathized in some ways with the views

expressed by Mr. Johns,

he still

believed that the swings resulting

from normal float fluctuations could mislead the market.

Perhaps

the Committee should continue to try to offset the major fluctua

tions in float.

Mr. Leedy commented that as far as the procedural aspects

were concerned, the appropriate committees of the Presidents'

Con

ference could proceed with the proposed studies whenever a decision

was reached on whether they should be made.

There ensued a discussion of the alternative approaches that

the Open Market Committee might adopt toward float fluctuations and

of the suggested studies of operating matters by committees of the

Presidents'

Conference.

In the course of this discussion, Mr.

Hayes

suggested that a major purpose of the float study would have been

accomplished if

portant,

that it

it

was concluded that float fluctuations were im

was necessary to give them attention, and that it

would be desirable to reduce the amount of float as much as feasible.

On the question as to whether or not it

should be Committee policy

to offset fluctuations in float, Mr. Hayes said he did not think

the Committee yet had enough information to reach a conclusion and

that further studies should be made.

Chairman Martin agreed that considerable progress had been

made in the studies thus far.

At one time, he said, the Committee

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thought that float fluctuations were wrecking open market policy,

but it

now could tentatively conclude that that was doubtful.

the same time, it

At

could conclude that the volume and fluctuations

in float were important and that further study might enable the

System to do something about the problem .

Mr.

Robertson suggested that an appropriate action at this

time would be for the Federal Open Market Committee to ask the

Manager of the System Open Market Account to consider ways and means

of increasing understanding of fluctuations in float by releasing

daily figures and other information that could properly be given out.

He also suggested that as a part of the immediate program the System

might go on record today as agreeing that studies be continued with

a view to developing recommendations on the three basic questions as

to operating matters, i.e., the role of the Federal Reserve Banks in

the check collection process, the time schedules, and a review of

operating practices looking toward reduction in float and a greater

uniformity in operating practices in

the System.

Chairman Martin inquired whether anyone present disagreed

with the suggestions that Mr. Robertson had just made as a program

for moving ahead,

and none of those present indicated disagreement.

Chairman Martin then stated that these suggestions would be considered

as adopted as the action of the Open Market Committee at this time on

the study of float.

It

would also be understood that the Presidents'

Conference was in agreement with this procedure and that it

would

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arrange to have the appropriate committees proceed with the operat

ing studies suggested.

Mr. Leonard withdrew from the meeting at this point.

Chairman Martin next referred to the report of the New York

Clearing House Association distributed with Mr. Hayes' letter of

October 22,

1957,

and to a memorandum prepared by Messrs. Roelse,

Rouse, Thomas, and Riefler and distributed under date of February 6,

195

on the Clearing House Study of Interrelations of the Money

Market and the Government Securities Market.

At Chairman Martin's

request, Mr. Riefler commented on the report substantially as follows:

The Clearing House Committee did not come to any con

structive suggestions unless we accept the basic proposition

that corporate financing of dealers through the negotiation

of repurchase agreements by dealers with corporations repre

sents a revision of the banking laws.

The Clearing House

study attacks this practice as illegal in that it in effect

results in the creation of money by nonbanking institutions,

that it provides a figure for payment of interest on demand

deposits and that it represents a practice that is dangerous

to the money system of this country. All of the study's

constructive suggestions turn around acceptance of that

proposition, a proposition which the Staff Committee was not

willing to accept. The staff suggests to the Open Market

Committee, however,

that the charges are so important and

come from such a pre-eminent body that they should not be

It believes, therefore, that the Open

dismissed offhand.

Market Committee may wish to commission the staff to make

an exhaustive study of the charges and to report back to

the Committee at a later date.

Aside from that suggestion, the Staff Committee makes

two general observations on the Clearing House Study.

First, it appears that the money market and the dealer

mechanism is getting along and that there is no crisis to

require overt action. Second, there are two minor sug

gestions made in the Clearing House report which the staff

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believes might be accepted, namely, (a) the establishment of a standing money market committee composed of

representatives from the Federal Reserve Bank of New

York and the Clearing House banks to meet two or three

times a year to discuss technical problems and market

practices against the broad background of public

policy, and (b) the release of daily figures covering

aggregate reserves, reserve requirements, and borrow-

ings of New York Clearing House banks.

In response to Chairman Martin's request, Mr. Rouse stated

that Mr.

them.

Riefler had covered the matters in the report as he saw

He and Mr. Hayes had discussed the question of having a

committee such as the Clearing House report suggested and on the

suggestion that daily figures be released he felt as did the other

members of the Staff Committee that this could be done without any

harm.

Mr. Allen commented that he had some sympathy with the view

of the Clearing House banks that it was not desirable for business

corporations to be making funds available under repurchase agreements

although his view was based on reasons other than those given in the

Clearing House report.

At the conclusion of a brief discussion of the report, Chairman Martin suggested that the report of the Staff Committee be accepted and tabled for the moment With the thought that further con-

sideration would be given later to what additional study should be

made.

In response to Mr. Riefler's question as to whether this

included authority for the staff to make a study of the Clearing

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House report, Chairman Martin stated after some discussion that

he could see no harm in having the staff study the report further.

Chairman Martin noted that the next meeting of the Federal

Open Market Committee would be held at 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday,

March 4, 1958, with the understanding that the meeting would continue during the afternoon of that day and on Wednesday, March 5.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary

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  year = {1958},
  month = {Feb},
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