fomc minutes · April 11, 1960

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, April 12, 1960, at 10:00 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Balderston

Bopp

Bryan

Fulton

Leedy

Mills

Robertson

Shepardson

Szymczak

Treiber, Alternate for Mr. Hayes

Messrs. Leach, Allen, Irons, and Mangels, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Erickson, Johns, and Deming, Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Boston, St. Louis,

and Minneapolis, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Thomas, Economist

Messrs. Brandt, Eastburn, Hostetler, Marget,

Noyes, Roosa, and Tow, Associate Economists

Mr. Rouse, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Koch, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Keir, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Mr. Knipe, Consultant to the Chairman, Board of

Governors

Messrs. Ellis, Storrs, Baughman, Jones, and

Einzig, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Boston, Richmond, Chicago,

St. Louis, and San Francisco, respectively

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Messrs.

Parsons and Coldwell, Directors of

Research of the Federal Reserve Banks

of Minneapolis and Dallas, respectively

Mr. Stone, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report of open market operations covering the period

March 22 through April 6, 1960, and a supplementary report covering the

period April 7 through April 11, 1960.

Copies of both reports have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

With further regard to developments since the Committee meeting

on March 22, 1960, Mr. Rouse made the following comments:

Since the Committee last met, the Government securities

market has lived through the Treasury's cash financing, prices

and yields of Government securities have fluctuated widely,

and this morning the market is preparing for the one-year bill

auction at 1:30 p.m. today. As far as the Treasury cash financ

ing of $2 billion 4 per cent notes maturing May 1962 and "up to"

$1.5 billion 4-1/4 per cent bonds is

concerned, I think it

safe

to say that we have not yet seen the end of the post-mortem on

the bond issue. The artificiality of the long-term bond marketwhere prices have moved rapidly in either direction without any

significant volume of trading--has been pointed up by the lack

of public response, but I doubt that this will prove anything

to the Treasury's Congressional critics. The claim that there

would have been a far better response if more time had been

allowed prospective subscribers has little

merit. At the

close last night, the new issues were selling in the when

issued market at discounts that exceeded the value of Tax and

Loan accounts to commercial banks.

I should like to make two comments on the sharp run-up in

rates over the past few days that resulted in

Treasury bill

average rates of 3.622 per cent and 3.854 per cent in yester

day's auction of three- and six-month Treasury bills--about

7/8 point above the average rates a week earlier. First of all,

the upward readjustment of rates to a point closer to the

discount rate may provide some sort of an anchor for the short

term rate structure and make for a better auction of the one

year bills this afternoon. On the other hand, there does not

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appear to be much interest in the April bills from banks,

dealers, or corporations, and there is some concern in the

market about adequate demand to cover the $2 billion offering

at anything like a rate which, in relation to existing rates,

could be regarded as reasonable.

Secondly, the gyration

that the short-term bill rate has been undergoing over the

past few moths is undoubtedly a reflection of the fact that

the bill market has increasingly become a market where nonbank

trading predominates.

With banks relegated to the background,

the market has lost something of its continuity, and rate

movements have become increasingly independent of the bank

reserve situation.

In today's auction the Account Management plans to tender

to roll over its holdings of $122 million special Treasury

bills maturing April 15. This action appears appropriate in

the light of the prospective reserve situation and also to

give the Treasury some help in what may be a difficult financ

ing operation.

I should also like to call the Committee's attention to

the fact that payment date for the new one-year bills falls

on Friday, when both the Chicago and Philadelphia banks will

be closed. The Treasury will consequently not receive pay

ment for subscriptions allotted in those districts until the

18th, while it anticipates that the bulk of maturing bills

will be presented for payment in New York or other districts

open for business on the 15th. In addition, many of the New

York Government securities dealers will not be open on the

15th, and this may create additional complications. It all

adds up to the possibility of a difficult situation around

the week end; there is a possibility that the Treasury balance

may dip sharply, and even result in a need for the System to

purchase special certificates to tide the Treasury over the

week end. Our best estimate at the present time is that this

will not be necessary, but I wanted to make the Committee

aware of this possible development.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions during

the period March 22 through April 11,

1960, were approved, ratified, and

confirmed.

Supplementing the staff memorandum distributed under date of

April 8, 1960, Mr. Noyes made the following statement with regard to

economic developments:

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The uncertainty which has characterized the economic

outlook for several months remains unchanged. There has

been, however, considerable shifting among the components that

make up the uncertain mixture. The weather has been good, and

department store sales showed a spectacular increase. Auto

mobile sales improved enough in the last ten days of March to

bring about a seasonally adjusted increase for the month as a

whole. The Consumer Finances Survey reported that consumers'

buying plans were up and at high levels, by historical standards,

confirming the relatively optimistic indications of the quarterly

Census survey, mentioned at the last meeting. Boom or near boom

conditions continue to develop in most industrialized countries

overseas. Business loans at city banks expanded more than in

any March except 1956. The money market firmed dramatically in

the last few days, as has already been reported.

Set against these indications that we may have been experi

encing no more than an exaggerated version of the late winter

lull are a counter-seasonal rise in unemployment in March and

an estimated decline in industrial production of another 1 per

cent. Construction activity dropped back to about the November

level, after three months of increase. The mortgage market

eased noticeably last month, and five of the Home Loan Banks

dropped their lending rates.

Steel production, which had

slipped to 92 per cent of capacity in March, was off further

to a rate of 85 per cent last week, and is scheduled at 80.

per cent this week.

The stock market, at levels well above the early March

lows, showed little signs of decisive movement in either direc

tion--and commodity prices, another composite indicator which

might reflect some shift in the balance of underlying forces,

were substantially unchanged.

There was an upward creep in the

consumer index, attributable largely to technical factors.

Hence, we find again that the only really significant develop

ment, taking everything together, is that an uneasy and uncer

tain balance has been maintained another three weeks. Yesterday

was almost a typical day--both equities and fixed-income

securities dropped substantially in price, rather than following

the orthodox pattern of crosswise movement. Two classic blue

chip companies reported first quarter earnings--du Pont a drop,

and IBM at an all-time high. Perhaps the only generalization

that is justified is that, with the passage of time, the chances

that the average for 1960 as a whole will be spectacular on

either side are thereby reduced.

Mr. Thomas presented the following statement with respect to

financial developments:

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Since the last meeting of the Committee, "liquidation

of the inflationary psychology", which the Chairman was quoted

as mentioning, seems to have continued further, but developments

in the money market and the stock market during the past week

show evidences of a possible shift.

Interest rates declined further in the latter part of

March and the early days of April. Yields on Government

securities reached the lowest levels in about a year. Yields

on corporate and State and local government issues, however,

did not decline as much as those on United States Government

securities. Last week, large tenders by dealers bid down

rates on Treasury bills to new low levels for the year, leav

ing dealers with larger awards than they expected. During

the past week, however, there has been an upturn in rates on

United States Government securities almost as spectacular as

the March decline.

Treasury bill

rates have risen sharply,

and this week's auction averages are about 7/8 of a point

above those of last week. In addition to the pressure of

large positions held by dealers, bills acquired in Chicago

for the April 1 tax date have come onto the market. Also,

banks have been offering securities to cover reserve needs

arising from subscriptions to the new Treasury issues for

which payment is to be made this week.

On the basis of past experience, pressures on the money

market and rising bill rates are not unusual for the first

half of April. There are large cash needs for dividend and

other payments, and the Treasury usually has a cash borrow

ing operation at this time.

A special factor this year may

be that the lower bill rates that have developed are not

sufficiently attractive to many nonbank pruchasers to hold

them in bills. With market rates as far below the discount

rate as at present, pressures of this sort are likely to

result in sharp fluctuations in Treasury bill rates.

Whether

the upturn in rates is due to these temporary influences or

to more fundamental forces remains to be seen.

The upturn in prices of stocks that has occurred in the

past three weeks may indicate a change in expectations.

These increases in stock prices and in short-term interest

rates have been accompanied by some decline in Treasury bond

prices following the previous rise.

Yields on corporate and

municipal bonds, which did not decline as much in the first

quarter as those in Treasury bonds, have not risen notice

ably in the past week. But new issues of corporate secu

rities offered last week at relatively low yields were not

satisfactorily distributed.

Turning back to analysis of the puzzling declining

interest rate trend in the first quarter of the year, one

possible explanation is that credit demands in the aggregate

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were not as large as they were during 1959. The Federal

Government retired more debt than in the first quarter of any

year since 1956. Corporate and State and local government

borrowing in the long-term capital market has been substantially

smaller than in other recent years.

Loans on securities by

banks and by brokers have shown a pronounced decline. Real

estate loans at banks have increased only moderately and there

are reports of an easing in the mortgage market generally,

although it is questionable whether there has been a decrease

in the total volume of mortgage loans made.

Short-term borrowing by business at banks has continued

at a high level, and consumer credit has increased. The

total volume of bank credit has continued to decline, as the

increase in business and consumer loans at banks has been more

than offset by the decline in other loans and by further

reduction in bank holdings of securities.

The second major factor that has been suggested as a

reason for declining interest rates is the large nonbank

demand for Government securities. This may be divided into

three elements: One is the shift in liquid asset holdingsparticularly by corporations but also by others--from bank

deposits to short-term Government securities, attracted by

the interest return available. This shift is in effect the

counterpart to the large volume of short-term securities that

the Treasury had to issue last year and the high interest

rates that had to be offered to float them. The public could

have liquidity with interest without holding cash balances

that give no return. This may be adequate to explain the

decline in bank deposits. It raises a question as to the

economic significance of such a decline which merely repre

sents a shift in types of liquid assets held and not a

decrease in liquidity.

The second element in the large nonbank demand for

Government securities--and the consequent decline in interest

rates--is the shift from equities to bonds. This is the main

feature of the "liquidation of inflationary psychology." The

turn of events in the past week or so raises a question as to

whether this shift has been brought to an end by the very

adjustments which it caused in the relative prices of stocks

Stocks have tended to be firmer while bond prices

and bonds.

have been soft.

The third element that may be responsible for the nonbank

demand for Government securities--and perhaps for the slacken

ing of the increase in economic activity--is more conjectural.

That is the possibility that the rate of saving has increased

further and that spending for goods and services might have

been curtailed. This may be another aspect of the liquidation

of inflationary psychology.

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It seems evident that business saving has tended to increase.

Information is not yet available to show whether consumers are

also saving more. It does appear, in any event, that they have

been channelling more savings into holdings of Government

securities. It is not unlikely that consumer practices as to

spending and saving are being increasingly determined by

their attitudes toward the price structure, rather than by

the level of their incomes.

In this type of situation,

fiscal and monetary policies are less significant than are

the pricing and selling practices of business. Nevertheless,

if the economic situation should weaken for this reason, there

is less reason for the maintenance of a restrictive credit policy.

The trend of the money supply in March is uncertain

because of statistical complexities in adjusting for seasonal

variations. Figures available for March 30, the last Wednesday

in the month, seem to indicate a smaller than seasonal decline

in the five weeks since February 24. The seasonal correction,

however, is questionable because of the difficulty of allowing

for shifts incident to the Cook County tax.

The decline this

year by March 30 seems to have been smaller than has occurred

in most other previous years. There is some evidence that this

is due to a change in technique of handling the Illinois tax

situation rather than to a change in the trend of deposits.

Averages of daily figures for weekly and semimonthly

periods continued to show a greater than seasonal decline in

demand deposits in the last half of March. The total money

supply, seasonally adjusted, is about a billion dollars less

than a year ago and nearly $2 billion below the peak of last

summer. At member banks alone the decline in demand deposits

has been larger. Turnover of demand deposits, however, has

increased by more than 7 per cent in the past year. Time

deposits at commercial banks and also at mutual savings banks

increased more in March than in any month in over a year,

showing an aggregate rise of about $1 billion, but for the

first quarter as a whole the increase of less than half a

billion dollars was smaller than usual.

Federal Reserve operations and policies have been

relatively passive in recent weeks and might be said to have

had no positive influence on the recent trend of interest

rates. Open market operations--besides adjusting to rather

wide temporary variations in reserve needs--have shown little

net contribution. In effect reserves released by the more

than seasonal decline in deposits have been used by banks

to reduce indebtedness, and net borrowed reserves have

declined accordingly. No positive stimulus in the way of

additional reserves has been supplied by the System. It

may be said that the market has eased itself and the System

has permitted this ease to develop.

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Maintenance of the discount rate and the repurchase rate

at above market rates on Treasury bills, however, has exerted

something of a restraining influence. In such a situation

banks have an inducement to cover temporary reserve needs by

selling bills rather than by borrowing, or to sell bills in

order to reduce borrowing. One result of this type of rela

tionship between discount rates and open market rates is to

cause rather wide short-term fluctuations in market rates in

response to variations in reserve needs. Such fluctuations

are likely to have a greater restrictive influence than is in

tended in the current policy posture.

Greater than desired restraint can be avoided by one of

three methods, each of which has advantages and disadvantages:

(1) The discount and repurchase rates could be lowered. (2)

The repurchase rate could be reduced, while keeping the dis

count rate unchanged.

(3) The Account Management could

actively purchase and sell bills on a day-to-day basis in an

endeavor to cover temporary needs.

A forth possibility, of

course, is that market rates may eventually adjust upward to

the level of the discount rate. To some extent this has been

happening in the last few days. The level of rates achieved

yesterday seems to be reasonably consistent with a discount

rate of 4 per cent and net borrowed reserves of $300 million

or less.

Whether this adjustment is more than a sharp temporary

fluctuation remains to be seen. If credit demands should be

vigorous, then rates are likely to stay at the current level

or to rise further. They are not high relative to the latter

part of 1959. If, however, credit demands should be slack, the

upward adjustment may be short-lived. If rates decline again,

then the question of appropriate discount and repurchase rates

will need consideration.

Another--and more basic--decision facing this Committee is

whether to take more positive action in an endeavor to check

the net decline in bank credit and the money supply. Any such

decision should be based upon a judgment as to the significance

of the recent continued decline in bank deposits. Is it merely

a shift in asset holdings with no significant change in

liquidity or attitudes of the public? Or has there been a

decrease in spending and an increase in saving relative to in

comes? Events of the last few days might indicate that, what

ever its cause, the decrease in the money supply may be ending.

The situation needs careful watching.

On the basis of the customary seasonal pattern and the

schedule of Treasury financing, and assuming the maintenance

of net borrowed reserves at somewhat below $300 million, it

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appears that no additional reserves may need to be supplied

during April. The estimates for the next statement week, how

ever, are uncertain, and operations may need to be based on the

performance of the market.

Mr. Marget commented as follows regarding the balance of payments:

Since it was the massive gold outflow of 1958 that made

this country aware that it, too, not only could have a

balance-of-payments problem, but quite obviously did have one,

I might begin by inviting the Committee's attention to what has

been happening in the way of gold outflow more recently. For

the year 1959 as you know, if we exclude the quite exceptional

payment of $344 million in gold to the International Monetary

Fund as part of a program to increase that institution's re

sources, the level of gold outflow from the United States, at

around $650 million, was less than 30 per cent of the 1958 gold

outflow of $2.3 billion. We now have the figure for foreign gold

purchases for the first quarter of 1960: at $42 million, it is

less than half the already relatively low figure for the first

quarter of last year.

A decline of this order of magnitude in the level of gold

outflow from the spectacularly high level of 1958 deserves, I

think, itself to be called spectacular. Nothing anywhere near

as spectacular, of course, can be found in the figures for the

combined outflow of gold and dollars, which is what we take as

the measure of the over-all deficit in our balance of payments.

Nevertheless, while it would be quite wrong to characterize as

"spectacular" the improvement that has taken place with respect

to our balance of payments over the last nine months, it would

not be wrong to characterize it--with all due caveats, of

course--as impressive.

This is a conclusion, I grant, which one would not be

likely to reach on the basis of some of the public discussion

of our balance-of-payments position. We still find reference

in that discussion, for example, to the balance-of-payments

position of the United States as one which is still "deteriorat

ing." There can, I think, be only one explanation of this kind

of talk: and that is the habit--quite understandable otherwise,

of course--of taking the calendar year as our unit for comparison.

It is true that the over-all deficit in our balance of payments

was larger for the calendar year 1959, at $3.7 billion, than it

was for the calendar year 1958, at $3.4 billion. But this

completely obscures what was happening during the calendar year

1959, as between the earlier and the later parts of the year,

respectively.

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What happened during the earlier part of 1959 was that our

balance-of-payments position was continuing to "deteriorate."

Indeed, if we are to appreciate the degree of improvement that

we have been witnessing in our balance-of-payments position

since the middle of 1959, it is important to understand that

the degree of deterioration in the first part of last year was

very much greater than is suggested by the figure of $3.7

billion for calendar 1959 as against the figure of $3.4 billion

for calendar 1958. The blunt fact is that in the second quarter

of 1959 the deficit in our over-all balance of payments reached

an annual rate of around $5 billion. It is from this low point

that we have to measure the degree of improvement in our balance

of payments that has taken place since we first witnessed the

turn; and, so measured, the degree of improvement can fairly be

called impressive.

There were times, to be sure, within the last nine months,

when one wondered whether the improvement that had seemed to be

setting in around the middle of 1959 was likely to continue.

For example, the effects first of the port strike in October

and then of the steel strike made the changes appear rather

irregular, and there were also a good many ups and downs from

month to month in trade in particular commodity groups not

obviously affected by the steel strike. But the export figures

for last December, at an annual rate of something like $18

billion, as against a realized export level in 1958 of around

$16 billion, gave reason to hope that the process of adjustment

had been resumed. Then came January, with exports at an annual

rate even slightly higher, at $18-1/2 billion. And now the

February trade figures, adjusted for seasonal variation and

higher annual rate,

the extra day for leap year, show a still

of around $19 billion.

During this whole period, moreover, imports have been

averaging around the $15-1/2 billion level they showed during

the second half of 1959. This means that our merchandise ex

port surplus for the first quarter of 1960, assuming no great

change in exports in March, may be at an annual rate of about

$3 billion. This is just about double the $1-1/2 billion

average that we showed during the second half of 1959; and, if

we remember that at the low point, in the second quarter of

1959, our export surplus was virtually at zero, I think we must

agree that "impressive" is not too strong a word to describe the

improvement that has taken place in our trade position over the

last nine months.

The improvement in the trade figures, I should like to add,

is quite clearly reflected in our gold and dollar figures. As

I have previously reported, the January gold and dollar figures

were so favorable that none of us believed that they could

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continue to improve at the same rate. They have not; but I must

here report that when, at the last meeting of this Committee,

I characterized the movements of gold and dollars for February

and the first half of March as "anything but spectacularly

favorable," I did less than justice to the degree of improve

ment which they in fact represented, because I did not have

available, at that time, the figures for foreign holdings at

the commercial banks. When those holdings are taken into

account, it is not unreasonable to estimate the gold and dollar

transfers in the first quarter of 1960 as between $350 and.

$450 million. This is to be compared with a level of around

$700 million in the first quarter of 1959. The year is still

young, and we still

have a long way to go before our interna

tional accounts are balanced; but it can hardly be denied that

the showing of the last nine months, as we now view it, looks

not only impressive on its own account, but also particularly

encouraging from the standpoint of those of us who want the

balance in our international accounts to be brought about by

methods of expansion, rather than contraction.

Mr. Treiber presented the following statement of his views on the

business outlook and credit policy;

The first quarter of 1960 was marked by high but not

spectacular business activity. The sideways movement in March

followed a February in which some business indicators regis

tered an improvement while others remained unchanged or

declined slightly. Hesitations of this type are not, of

course, at all unusual during the course of a sustained busi

ness expansion. But they always create uncertainty as to

whether there has been a pause for breath which will be

followed by renewed progress or whether, on the other hand,

an advance warning of business recession has been posted.

The impact of this kind of uncertainty on the climate of

opinion in the last few months had probably been unusually

strong because the pace of economic activity has clearly

fallen short of the exuberant expectations held by many

observers at the start of the year. Sales and output have

indeed lagged somewhat, but this may turn out to be largely

the result of a relatively severe winter, culminating in the

heavy snow storms in many parts of the country during March.

To some extent also, these lags have probably been a transi

tional condition. The welcome diminution of inflationary

psychology and the comparative respite in labor unrest have

encouraged wholesome shifts in inventory and production policies

involving a reduced pace from the initial poststrike speed.

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As for the future, the recent survey by the University of

Michigan of consumer intentions suggests that consumers'

optimism is strong and that their buying plans are consider

ably larger than a year ago.

In addition, plant and equipment

expenditures rose substantially in the first

quarter, and

business plans indicate that outlays during the year may rise

at a rate which, if realized, would push fixed-investment

expenditures (in current dollars) above the previous record

reached in 1957.

Increased consumer spending will be needed to offset the

effects of a slower pace of inventory accumulation, to assure

the optimistic background essential to the expansion of invest

ment expenditures, and to expand production and employment.

Credit is more readily available for mortgages; and we may

see a further expansion of mortgage credit stimulating con

struction. A recent Fortune survey shows that home builders

are generally optimistic with respect to the outlook this year.

Municipal construction is also likely to expand as municipalities

become aware of the easier availability of long-term market

financing.

The banks have been experiencing a strong demand for busi

ness loans.

Bankers with whom we have discussed the matter are

looking forward to a continuation of a strong loan demand.

Short-term liquid asset ratios are at postwar lows at reporting

banks both in New York and outside of New York. Loan-deposit

ratios are at new highs.

Despite the fact that the money supply is now lower than

it was a year ago, the first

quarter of 1960 has seen increased

credit availability and reduced interest rates. The reduced

money supply has been accompanied, as one might expect, by in

creased velocity, and over the year there has been a decided

increase in money substitutes held by business concerns and the

public. In such circumstances, I am not yet disturbed about the

present size of the money supply. Sufficient time has probably

not yet elapsed for the System's relaxation of the pressure on

net borrowed reserves to have an appreciable effect on the money

supply.

The present size of the money supply makes it

possible

for the System to create more bank reserves without feeling that

we are encouraging an inflationary expansion of bank credit.

While Treasury tax collections in March have been below

expectations, the Treasury believes that expenditures are also

Thus the over-all

likely to be below earlier expectations.

Treasury picture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1960, is

about the same as it had been projected earlier this year.

Today the Treasury is conducting an auction to sell $2

to refund the $2

of special one-year Treasury bills

billion

Toward

that mature April 15.

of one-year Treasury bills

billion

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the end of this month the Treasury will be announcing the terms

of a new issue or issues, the proceeds of which will be used to

retire the three Treasury issues totaling over $6 billion which

mature May 15.

Within the last month or so we have seen volatile changes

in short-term interest rates. The dominant influence of corpo

rate investors in the Treasury bill market has undoubtedly

accentuated the movement of bill

rates. Rates can easily move

downward or upward with a modest change in the relationship of

the supply of credit and the demand for credit. Indeed, in

recent days we have seen the rate pendulum move sharply upward.

The upward movement is good in the light of the underlying

situation; it also has the advantage of bringing present rates

into better relationship with the discount rate.

It seems to us that the economy is basically strong and

that the next move is more likely to be renewed expansion than

stagnation or recession. Therefore, it would be unwise to signal

doubts as to the strength of the economy by either reducing the

discount rate at this time or making any substantial change in

open market policy.

Therefore, we favor the continuation of about the present

degree of restraint, with no change in the directive. To the

extent that consideration is given to net borrowed reserves, a

figure of plus or minus a quarter billion dollars would seem

appropriate, recognizing that the actual figure might fluctuate

a good deal either way, particularly on the side of lower net

borrowed reserves.

Turning to another subject, Mr. Treiber went on to say:

Mr. Sherman has just informed the Reserve Banks of the

success the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia has had in

obtaining daily information on deposits and related items from

I am pleased to report that the New York Bank

member banks.

has arranged to collect daily reports from all member banks in

the Second Federal Reserve District beginning in the latter

part of May.

The techniques we are following are basically those

developed by Philadelphia, with such modifications as seemed

to suit our situation. After we have had sufficient experience

to afford adequate analysis and to button up any loose ends,

we will report to the Board and the other Reserve Banks on our

program.

We are looking forward to using the earlier available

information to improve our estimates and projections of member

bank reserve balances for use in the planning of open market

operations.

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Mr. Erickson said that the elements of strength in the First

District continued to outweigh te

elements

of weakness.

In February,

the New England index of industrial production was up one percentage

point.

In the March survey of New England purchasing agents, 37 per cent

of the respondents looked forward to increased production activity,

compared with 29 per cent in February, while the number of respondents

looking for a downturn was only one per cent greater than in February.

Compared with the same month a year ago, construction contracts in

February were off 17 per cent, reflecting a substantial decrease in the

nonresidential and utility company sectors.

Residential construction

appeared to be going counter to the national figures, registering an

increase of 17 per cent in the past four months compared with the same

four months a year ago.

February was 23 per cent ahead of February 1959,

which in turn was 87 per cent ahead of February 1958.

Nonagricultural

employment was down a fraction of one per cent, with employment in textiles,

apparel, and leather off somewhat.

Transportation equipment also was

down becuase of a strike, now 12 weeks old, that closed the Bethelehem

Steel shipyards.

Retail trade was following the national pattern closely;

the past four months were even with the same four months a year ago.

For

the week ended April 2, however, department store sales were up 21 per cent.

Automobile registrations were better than they had been.

Mr. Erickson also said that during the past three weeks District

reporting banks purchased more Federal funds than they sold.

In the same

period, member banks used the Reserve Bank discount window a little

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actively than in the previous three weeks.

There were two or three days

when borrowings were at the highest levels for a number of weeks.

Mr. Erickson then commented on the Regional Outlook Conference

held during the past week, which was attended by economists from through

out New England.

It was the consensus of the participants, he said, that

there would be healthy growth in the economy for the rest of the year.

The median of predictions for gross national product in the last quarter

of 1960 was $514.5 billion, annual rate, and for the index of industrial

production a figure of 113.5.

A 5 per cent rate of unemployment was

expected in December 1960, and the median of forecasts for the consumer

price index in December was 126.5.

Mr. Erickson expressed agreement with the views stated by Mr.

Treiber with regard to the outlook.

He recommended no change in the

discount rate or the policy directive at this time.

As to open market

operations for the next three weeks, he would leave it

to the Manager

of the Account to maintain the situation about as it had been, being

sure there was no undue ease and no further tightness.

Mr. Irons said that Eleventh District conditions had been mixed,

as was true nationally, but probably for somewhat different reasons.

In

general, District activity was on a high plateau, although some elements

were up, some were holding about even, and some were down a little.

Department store sales and retail trade in general were showing satis

factory improvement, while nonfarm employment increased contraseasonally

in February and was expected to show a seasonal increase in March.

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Unemployment was declining slightly.

Farm activity had stepped up greatly

as better weather conditions prevailed, and in general the agricultural

outlook appeared favorable.

The major area of slowing down of activity

continued to be in the petroleum industry.

remained in effect, and it

The nine-day allowable basis

appeared to be the present thinking of oil men

that the industry must learn to live with nine- or ten-day allowables at

least as far ahead as one could look this year.

This decline in crude oil

production, and in refining, had had some effect on the District's

industrial production index, which dropped one point.

Construction

developments appeared to be about seasonal in the early part of the year,

and there were indications that mortgage credit was now more available.

On the whole, the situation in the District was strong, with the only real

problem being in the petroleum industry.

Turning to the financial side of the picture, Mr. Irons said that

loan demand was still

strong, but not pressingly so.

There continued to

be some liquidation of Government securities by banks, deposits continued

to decline, and the reserve positions of banks seemed to have shown some

improvement, that is,

some lessening of pressure.

Reserve Bank had dropped substantially.

Borrowings from the

Whereas they were running earlier

at from 10 to 15 per cent of the System total, recently they had dropped

to the range from 5 to 10 per cent.

In the past week or 10 days, large

banks of the District had reduced their purchases of Federal funds to more

or less nominal amounts.

In substance, it appeared that District banks

were getting their houses in better order than they were a few weeks ago.

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Mr. Irons expressed agreement with the comments of Mr. Treiber

regarding the national picture.

In view of the Treasury situation, con

ditions in the Government securities market, the economic situation, and

"stras

in the wind" pointing to strength rather than weakness or

deterioration, he would hold steady for the next three weeks

any overt action.

and avoid

He would not favor a change in the discount rate, in

the directive, or in open market policy or objectives.

An overt action

might be regarded as signalling doubts at a time when it was questionable

whether any such signal would be justified.

Accordingly, he would con

tinue to move along as at present.

Mr. Mangels said that Twelfth District employment data for March

were not yet available, but that an increase in unemployment insurance

claims had been observed, no doubt reflecting reduced employment at air

craft plants.

Because of the decision to discontinue the Bomarc missile

program, Boeing planned to release some 2,500 or 3,000 workers, and plans

for four Bomarc bases on the Pacific Coast had been cancelled in line with

the decision.

Steel production was down 10 per cent in March from February

and was about 4 per cent below 1959.

The three large mills were producing

at a little less than 81 per cent of capacity, compared with 90 per cent

in February.

While lumber prices had been fairly steady during the past

few weeks, the mills were revising their 1960 sales estimates downward

and were becoming more cautious about building inventories.

The total

value of construction contracts in February was up 8 per cent from 1959,

reflecting principally increases in public works and utilities.

Nonresi-

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dential construction was up 11 per cent, while residential construction

showed an increase of 2 per cent.

For the four weeks ended April 2,

department store sales showed a slight decrease from 1959, but after

making allowance for the difference in Easter dates, it was expected

that they would compare favorably with last year.

In the first three

weeks of March, sales of new cars in California were up 12 per cent from

February and up the same extent from a year ago.

Mr. Mangels said that loans of District banks increased moderately

in the three weeks ended March 30, the increase being much smaller than

in the corresponding period a year ago, and that reporting banks reduced

their holdings of Government securities almost $100 million.

Demand

deposits were down somewhat and time deposits were down slightly, but

savings deposits increased $7 million.

deposits was not large, it

While the increase in savings

might indicate a reversal of the recent trend.

One savings and loan association in southern California had now gone to

a dividend rate of 4-3/4 per cent, and there was again considerable general

discussion of the 3 per cent interest rate ceiling on savings deposits.

Reporting banks were net sellers of Federal funds in the past week and

expected to be net sellers in nominal amount this week.

Borrowings from

the Reserve Bank were quite nominal.

There appeared to be a moderate degree of strength in the general

business and credit situation, Mr. Mangels said, with no particular

indication that the economy was going to move up rather fast or, on the

other hand, that it was going to go down fast.

There was considerable

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excess productive capacity, and there continued to be a larger amount

of unemployment than would be desired.

Bank loans had not increased

excessively, and predictions for this year were in terms that, although

there would be some further increase in loans, the amount of that increase

would be substantially less than last year.

At the same time, there had

not been any downward modification of lending rates.

Under present conditions, Mr. Mangels felt that there should not

be any change in the discount rate or the directive.

As to operations of

the System Open Market Account, he would favor going perhaps a little

further in supplying reserves than Messrs. Treiber, Erickson, and Irons

had indicated.

He would have in mind somewhere around $100 million of

net borrowed reserves as an indication of maintenance of restraint, but

to a lesser degree than in the past.

Mr. Deming reported that automobile sales in the Twin Cities, as

measured by registrations, were down in the first

half of March but up

in the second half of the month, and the favorable trend appeared to be

continuing in April.

Accordingly, dealers were now enthusiastic about

prospects for the rest of the year.

Department store men in the area

also were satisfied, because sales thus far in April were higher and at

satisfactory levels.

The improvement extended not only to sales of

apparel but also to sales of appliances and home furnishings.

A recent

survey by the Minnesota Home Builders Association indicated that

inventories of unsold new houses, which were quite high earlier, had now

been reduced to a rather low figure.

It appeared that there would not be

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too much in the way of speculative building during the coming year, and

that building would be more on a contract basis.

yet no large movement,

Although there was as

shipments of ore down the Great Lakes had gotten

under way.

Mr. Deming went on to say that District banks, both city and

country, showed sharp loan increases, sharp declines in security holdings,

and contraseasonal deposit decreases.

As measured against a year ago,

loans were up 12 per cent, holdings of Government securities were

own

12 per cent, holdings of other securities were down 9 per cent, and

deposits were off 5 per cent.

Thus, liquidity positions continued to

worsen.

Mr. Deming then reported briefly on certain statistics that had

been compiled on average bank reserves over a period of years.

These

figures showed that a decline from December to March was quite usual from

year to year, but that the decrease was more marked, in terms of both

percentages and dollars, from December 1959 to March 1960 than in any

other comparable period since 1951.

Mr. Deming said he was somewhat concerned about the total reserve

base and the money supply.

As to the national picture in general, he felt

that sentiment was running a little

ment statistics would justify.

better than production and unemploy

He came out in his thinking to a position

much like that expressed by Mr. Mangels.

In his opinion, there should be

no change in the discount rate or the directive, but the Committee should

be moving toward a somewhat easier position through open market operations.

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He did not have in mind easing too much and would not

want to suggest

any particular figures, but he felt it would be advisable to probe

toward easier money market conditions through the open market device.

Mr. Allen said he expected reports for March, as they became

available, to continue to include less favorable news, such as a drop in

total industrial production and an increase in unemployment.

the situation varied with areas and industries.

However,

Although in general it

seemed to be the durable goods industries that were experiencing a sag

in demand, Wisconsin, an important producer of durables, had the strongest

employment situation of any State, based on the classification of major

labor markets.

In March, all four of the Wisconsin centers classified

by the Department of Labor showed less than 3 per cent unemployment,

the two centers classified in Iowa were in the same group.

and

The unemploy

ment situation in Indiana and Illinois was better than for the nation, so

only Michigan, among the Seventh District States, was worse off than the

average, as it had been for several years.

Mr. Allen went on to say that the expected seasonal increase in

auto sales, stimulated by incentive sales contests, may have materialized.

The daily sales rate for the last ten days of March was 26,023 cars,

higher than any similar period since 1955, and first-quarter sales totaled

1,515,000 units, 14 per cent higher than last year.

In the first quarter,

2,000,000 cars were produced, and estimates for the next three quarters

were 1,700,000, 1,000,000, and 1,700,000, making 6,400,000 for the year.

New car inventories were 1,020,000 on March 31.

Therefore, if production

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followed the estimates, and if inventories were reduced by September 30

to the desired target of 500,000, sales in the second and third quarters

must exceed those of last year by 12 per cent.

Right now the feeling in

Detroit was again one of optimism.

Mr. Allen commented that capital expenditures had been estimated

as substantially higer this year than last, and that spot checks with a

number of business firms had not revealed cancellation or postponement of

plans.

All firms contacted appeared to be going ahead as planned.

In

fact, there seemed to be no feeling that recent less favorable business

reports marked the beginning of a recession; rather, it

was felt that

favorable elements in the picture would soon be more evident and that the

total demand for goods and services was much more likely to rise than to

contract.

Mr. Allen reported that during the past three weeks the mortgage

market had eased in the Chicago area.

Two of the largest savings and loan

associations had reduced their "prime" mortgage interest rates from 6-1/4

to 6 per cent.

in the first

This was undoubtedly a reflection of a low demand for loans

quarter, but it was understood there had been a pickup in the

past two weeks.

There seemed little

point in mentioning banking statistics

because the Chicago banks, which bulk large in Seventh District figures,

were not yet past their April 1 dislocation.

However, in the first

quarter of this year earning assets of District banks declined less than

a year ago, while for the nation the decline this year had been much

larger than last year,

Moreover, loans at Seventh District banks were

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up slightly from the year end, although all reporting banks in the

country showed a net decrease in excess of $1 billion.

On the basis of the information at his disposal, Mr. Allen said

that, as at the March 22 meeting, he would prefer to await the results

of the Easter season before changing the direction of monetary policy or

the degree of restraint.

He would leave the directive and the discount

rate as they were.

Mr. Leedy commented that there had been no significant develop

ments in the Tenth District in the past three weeks.

Business loan

figures were in line with the national figures; that category of loans

continued to increase, but liquidation of Government securities by the

banks had more than offset the increase.

Mr. Leedy said he shared the concern that had been expressed about

the money supply.

In view of the uncertainties existing at the present

time, whatever the causes might be, the downward trend of money supply,

and the high loan-deposit ratios of the banks, it seemed to him that the

System should use every opportunity that might be presented to it to make

some additions to the money supply.

He would not want to do anything

drastic or create an impression that the System was fearful regarding the

economic future.

However, the nature of open market developments since

the Committee decided to move toward lower levels of net borrowed reserves

indicated to him that there was an area within which the System could

inject some additional reserves and at the same time not create an

impression of the kind to which he had referred.

It was his feeling,

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therefore, although perhaps not quite to the same extent as Mr. Mangels,

that the Committee should use whatever opportunities might arise to make

some injections of reserves.

Beyond that, and particularly with respect

to the discount rate, he would make no change.

Mr. Leach said that scattered but definite signs of a spring

sales pickup constituted the only recent change that had been noted in

the high level of Fifth District business activity.

Weather was

apparently the only factor that had exerted any significant downward

pressure, and such evidence as was available pointed to continuing high

levels of personal income and potential pruchasing power in the District.

Textile mills had recently granted wage increases averaging about 5 per

cent, and it

was expected that these increases will be absorbed by the

manufacturers.

This highly competitive industry had increased wages 39

per cent since the 1947-49 base period, while prices received for its

products decreased 9 per cent.

The slightly easier position of District member banks at the time

of the March 22 Committee meeting seemed to have been temporary, Mr. Leach

said.

Loan demand during the past three weeks had been greater than

seasonal, investments

had been liquidated at a faster rate than customary,

borrowing at the discount window had been fairly heavy, and District banks

had been net purchasers of Federal funds.

With respect to policy, Mr. Leach suggested that the principal

question was whether to continue as at present or become a little

easier.

At a time when available economic data provided inadequate guidance for

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policy decisions, it

seemed to him desirable to pay particular attention

to credit developments.

For the past six weeks, Mr. Leach noted, clause

(b) of the directive had provided for "fostering sustainable growth in

economic activity and employment while guarding against excessive credit

expansion."

As stated in the staff report distributed prior to this

meeting, total credit at city banks declined moderately over the five

weeks ending March 30 in contrast to substantial increases in comparable

periods of most other recent years.

Moreover, new offerings of corporate

and municipal securities continued to be light.

it

Under these circumstances,

seemed to him appropriate to increase reserve availability somewhat

and to eliminate from the directive the reference to special concern over

excessive credit expansion.

In this connection, he did not favor an

approach that sought to determine whether the Committee could do what it

wanted to do under an existing directive.

Instead, he favored flexibility

in directives as well as in policy.

Under the policy he had in mind for the next three weeks, Mr.

Leach said, net borrowed reserves might be in the neighborhood of $150

million.

He would not change the discount rate at the moment, for reasons

already expressed by others.

He would not want to lead others to think

that the System was more gloomy than it

actually was.

However, the

elimination of the final part of clause (b) of the directive would not

be an overt action, and in his opinion it would make the record look

better.

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Mr. Mills said he was one of those who believed that the money

supply, as conventionally defined, was the pressing tactical problem to

which policy should continue to be addressed.

In his opinion, the fact

that the money supply had continued to shrink should give pause for

thought and was reason for concern.

In this connection, an interesting

problem had developed that deserved analysis, namely, that over the past

three weeks the money markets had been relatively tight in the face of a

lower level of negative free reserves.

According to past thinking, the

lower level of negative free reserves presumably afforded a basis on

which credit would have expanded and the decline in the money supply would

have been at least arrested.

However, such had not been the case.

A

possible reason could be found in the staff memorandum on the outlook for

member bank reserve positions, distributed to the Committee under date of

April 8, which showed that in January through March 1959, when the System

was commencing policyvise to accelerate pressure on the expansion of bank

credit, member bank required reserves declined to the extent of $656

million.

In the same period of 1960, there had been a decline in member

bank required reserves of $998 million.

It would be possible to interpret

the greater decline this year as being attributable to the accelerated

pressure that System policy had exerted over a period of many months.

This pressure continued into the first quarter of the current year, a

period of the year when there is

deposits.

customarily a decline in commercial bank

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It

does not

come into the practical reasoning of the management

of a member bank, Mr. Mills said, that because the bank's required reserves

are declining and the bank is

reserve position, it

investments.

is

in a sense thereby reaching an easier

in a better position to expand its

loans and

Instead, the banker fashions his thinking on the movement

of his deposits.

Looking at developments in that light, one could like

wise make the interpretation that a level of $250 million of negative

free reserves, more or less,

over the past several weeks had in fact

represented much greater pressure on the reserve positions of the banks

than the actual figures would indicate.

This would be for the reason

previously mentioned, namely, that a major element that had brought down

the level of negative free reserves was the decline in required reserves.

This was not a comforting factor to the banks or the kind of development

that would stimulate banks to act in such a way as to check the contrac

tion of the money supply.

Mr. Mills said that what he was saying went back to what he under

stood to be Mr. Bryan's thesis.

The System had neglected and ignored the

movement of total reserves and the downward movement in total reserves,

if not arrested, would in due course lead to serious financial and economic

consequences.

In further explanation of his reasoning, Mr. Mills read the

following statement:

There are recurrent occasions in the economic history of

the United States when financial factors reach a position of

dominating significance. The piling up of cash balances and

huge holdings of short-term U. S. Government securities in the

hands of large corporations may signify such an occasion by

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way of denoting a malfunctioning between debtor and creditor

relationships. Idle cash balances and inert investments in

U. S. Government securities in creditor hands represent re

sources which, as they fail to circulate back through the

economy, do not lodge in debtor hands where they can be availed

of for constructive purposes that assist in the service of out

standing debts.

When at the same time monetary policy has

limited the availability of credit and has contracted the money

supply, the economy may be left in a position where the gap

between idle money resources and the availability of credit

reaches proportions that tend to induce economic stagnation.

If this kind of situation should be left unattended, a period

of over-saving and underspending could put in an appearance.

In the belief that while capital formation is a process of

saving it must nevertheless be lubricated by an appropriate

flow of newly created bank credit, it follows that the stimulus

of new credit is now needed to prime the economy's powers of

consumption in ways that will better activate corporation

functioning and release impounded money reserves to fruitful

uses. If that objective can be reached, an improved relation

ship between consumption and production, and between debtors

and creditors, will have been realized.

In closing the gap

between consumer-debtors and producer-creditors it can be hoped

that an enlivened economy, besides giving a material assist to

debt service, will also provide the means for reducing its

burden through a return flow of repayments on outstanding

obligations.

Mr. Mills then said that the immediate implementation of a policy

based on the reasoning he had outlined would be to bring the level of

negative free reserves down to a lower level, with a maximum of $200

million as a ceiling that ought to be avoided and a lower level sought.

If

the Government securities market should be as disturbed and unsettled

today as it was yesterday, a favorable opportunity would be at hand for

injecting additional reserves.

This would serve the purpose of giving

some confidence to the market at the same time that the economic objective

was being accomplished.

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Mr. Robertson said that as he looked to the future he had no

feeling of gloom whatsoever.

It

seemed to him the chances were strong

that the country was on the verge of a definite upswing of economic

activity, accompanied by a surge of inflationary psychology and by

inflation itself.

In his opinion, therefore, this would be exactly the

wrong time to reduce the weights that were on the pendulum.

Instead,

the wise course would be to hold steady, with no reduction whatever in

the degree of restraint that had been provided.

If

anything, he would be

inclined to move on the other side, and it was his guess that in another

three weeks the Committee would be moving in that direction.

He would

not change the directive or the discount rate, nor, as he had indicated,

would he change the degree of ease or of tightness (whichever one might

call it)

that the Account had been striving for in the past three weeks.

Mr. Shepardson said he saw no reason to review in detail the

various trends in the economy.

up and some were down.

Suffice it

to say that some of them were

However, the reports on some of the most recent

shifts were indicative of an upswing with the advent of spring weather,

which was belatedly beginning to make itself manifest.

still

some uncertainties, it

Since there were

seemed to him that it would not be advisable

to make any move in the direction of greater restraint until the condi

tions that he had mentioned actually manifested themselves.

At the same

time, there was sufficient promise of them that it would be unwise to

make any move in the way of a lessening of restraint.

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Mr. Shepardson said he would go along closely with the views

expressed by Mr. Treiber.

He would favor holding about the degree of

restraint that had prevailed in recent weeks, and be would not favor any

easing.

(Subsequently, as recorded later in the minutes, Mr. Shepardson

indicated that he saw no objection to permitting such ease as might develop

in the market through the operation of natural forces to remain in the

market.)

Mr. Fulton commented that in general Fourth District activity

could be characterized as an operation of relative dullness at a high

level.

Steel production was going down rather precipitantly.

One mill

which was producing at over 100 per cent of capacity a short time ago was

now in the 70's and admitted that cancellations were greater than new

orders coming in.

Other mills reported a good demand for galvanized

sheet and tin plate, but pipe of all sizes was a drug on the market.

Sales departments of the mills indicated that customers were buying hand

to mouth and apparently had larger inventories at the end of the strike

than many admitted at the time.

In further comments on the steel situation, Mr. Fulton noted that

if

present rates of production continued, total production of about 120

million tons for the year would be indicated.

Turning to the foundries,

he said there were reports of widespread cutbacks; while those in the

industry felt that the year as a whole would be a good one, March, April,

and May typically are months of high production.

Inventories of consumer

durable goods were reported to be particularly high.

On the other hand,

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one company reported a marked pickup in orders in March, with the export

situation strong, particularly to Latin American countries.

Another

report, from a large maker of heavy machinery, was to the effect that it

had been working full time to get out drawings and proposals for manu

facturers that had not yet been put in the form of orders.

It was still

generally expected that a good deal of money would be spent for machinery

and modernization of equipment throughout the current year.

Mr. Fulton also made reference to a recent meeting of Fourth

District business economists, at which projections for the fourth quarter

of the year were quite good.

The economists foresaw some slackening in

the second quarter and felt that the third quarter would be marked by the

usual summer doldrums, but they expected a pickup in the fourth quarter

and felt

that as a whole this would be a good year.

Mr. Fulton went on to say that department store sales and auto

mobile sales were following the trend already reported, department store

sales being 2 per cent above last year and automobile sales 8 per cent

higher.

Construction activity, which had been in the doldrums until

recently, now seemed to be picking up, while unemployment insurance

claims declined substantially in the past week.

Bank loans were 8 per

cent above last year, demand deposits had gone down, and time deposits

were up.

Borrowings from the Reserve Bank had been quite modest, averaging

around 2 or 3 per cent of the System total.

Mr. Fulton expressed the view that the current dullness was the

result of a number of factors, including expectations that were too high,

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weather conditions,

and the existence of larger inventories than had

previously been admitted.

He would not be averse to a slight easing of

the net borrowed reserve position, and he suggested $200 million, give

or take.

He would not change the discount rate or the directive at the

present time.

Mr. Bopp said that employment, a factor always of concern in the

Third District, was 4 per cent higher in February than in February 1959.

Both new and continued unemployment insurance claims also were below

1959.

The Johnstown, Pennsylvania, area had been reclassified upward by

the Department of Labor, but only from F to E, and four of the 13 major

labor areas in the District were classified E (unemployment from 9 to

11.9 per cent).

The employment situation in the District, Mr. Bopp said,

was one reason he had frequently been on the pessimistic side, although

he was not pessimistic today.

One area of difference between the District and the nation was

in the banking picture, Mr. Bopp said.

There had been some expansion of

loans which was not equalled by reduction of investments.

A decline in

deposits, which had persisted over the years and was larger this year,

created a problem for District banks in adjusting their reserve positions.

Until the past two or three days the banks had been making their adjust

ments primarily through purchases of Federal funds, but recently they had

been borrowing more heavily from the Federal Reserve Bank.

Mr. Bopp said that he would recommend that there be no change in

the directive or the discount rate at this time.

Neither would he

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recommend any change in the degree of restraint or in the tone of the

money market.

In the latter respect, he referred, of course, to the

general tone that had prevailed in the market rather than the erratic

movements of the past few days.

(Subsequently, as recorded later in

the minutes, Mr. Bopp said that in the light of the discussion at this

meeting he would favor some easing of the reserve positions of banks.)

Mr. Bryan said that most recent Sixth District statistics showed

only small changes, which were essentially similar to those reported

nationally.

little

As he saw the national situation, there was at the moment

basis for predicting a marked upsurge in the economy, and certainly

not a downturn.

For that reason, he was in agreement with those who had

expressed the opinion that it would be a mistake to embark on any massive

or overt easing operation through the use of any of the instruments of

Federal Reserve policy.

At the same time, he felt that none of the

economic and financial criteria seemed to justify a policy of restraint.

As he listened to the discussion this morning, it occurred to him that

one of the crucial points involved was a determination of what System

policy actually had been, either overtly or through inadvertence.

Such

a determination seemed to him extraordinarily important because until the

Committee came to a conclusion as to what its policy had been, it was not

in a position to modify policy in either direction.

In his opinion,

Committee policy, de facto, had been one of restraint.

The actual level

of total reserves had been following a downward trend, even allowing for

no growth at all, and the total was lower than a year ago.

Required

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reserves continued to fall, banks continued to liquidate investments, and

the banking system was being kept in debt to the Federal Reserve System.

Average net borrowed reserves had fallen, but to him that was deceptive

because ultimately that decline had come about simply because of a reduc

tion in required reserves.

System policy had permitted the total of

Federal Reserve credit to move downward, so that member banks had

actually received no easing of their positions from that source.

How the

Committee could have expected the money supply to do anytning other than

it

actually had done, he did not know.

Mr. Bryan repeated that he considered the level of net borrowed

reserves especially deceptive as a guide to policy in a period when re

quired reserves were falling sharply, so sharply in fact that the estimates

were frequently overrun by the facts.

There was enough historical experi

ence, he said, to indicate that if the System kept the reserve supplies

of the banking system either declining or completely stable, this would

sooner or later exert a deflationary pressure on the economy.

He shared

the views of Mr. Mills regarding the position of the banking system, which

he felt was highly illiquid and potentially dangerous.

The problem, as Mr. Bryan saw it,

was to take no massive action

in either direction, but to use available opportunities to put some

additional reserves into the banking system.

disastrous had happened so far, but if

He did not think that anything

System policy continued de facto as

it had been, he saw trouble ahead that would be hard to explain.

If the

net borrowed reserve concept was to be used, he felt that during the

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next couple of months it

would be advisable to move toward a zero

figure.

Mr. Johns said he continued to associate himself, as he had

three weeks ago, with the view that the continued decline in total reserves

and the money supply ought to be at least arrested or, better yet, reversed.

He then presented substantially the following statement:

There has been for some time a conjuncture of forces

operating to bring about a continuing reduction of total

member bank reserves and contraction of the money supply.

Parenthetically these resulting phenomena--contraction of

total reserves and the money supply--have at times been

obscured by other developments heraldedin various quarters

as indicators of lessening monetary restraint, namely, a sharp

decline in interest rates (until recently) and a decrease in

that widely accepted barometer of monetary policy, net bor

rowed reserves.

On March 1, 1960, the Committee took note, among other

things, of a February decline in the seasonally adjusted money

supply to a level as much as $300 million below a year earlier

and concluded, to quote the draft of policy record entry for

that meeting, that "it would be appropriate to supply reserves

to the banking system somewhat more readily." "Accordingly,"

the draft says, "the consensus favored, for the immediate

future, a policy of moderately less restraint." Notwithstanding

this, total reserves and the money supply have continued to

decline, and the responsibility for this state of affairs is,

I think, substantially the Committee's own. I want to say why

I think so, although I have spoken along these lines before.

Insofar as the Management of the System Account receives

from the Committee a guide to open market operations, it is in

terms of a net borrowed reserve target or range, subject,

expressly or tacitly, to latitude or leeway according to the

way things develop and to the "feel of the market." In the

immediate past I would judge that the range of net borrowed

reserves has been about $200 to $300 million. This means that

member bank indebtedness to the Federal Reserve Banks has

averaged between, say, $600 and $800 million.

However, with Treasury bills yielding 3 per cent or below

(as they were until last Friday), and with the discount rate

at 4 per cent, profit-minded bankers may generally be counted

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on to prefer liquidating bills for purposes of adjusting to

reserve drains, rather than borrowing from their Reserve Banks.

Even if the recent increase in bill rates should prove to be

permanent, it is not at all certain that member banks will not

continue to desire to reduce their indebtedness to the Reserve

Banks.

The Committee's staff has been pointing out for some time

that bank liquidation of short-term Government securities has

been occurring at a rapid rate. Nevertheless, in order to

induce borrowings at such levels as would bring about net

borrowed reserves within the target range, the Management of

the System Account has had to sell bills. Thus, a mechanism

has been adopted by the Committee which, under the conditions

existing, virtually assured a continuing contraction of total

reserves, commercial bank credit, and the money supply. These

results may reasonably be calculated to persist until one, or

more, of the following events occurs: (1) the disparity

between market interest rates and the discount rate is re

dressed; or (2) the Committee, having made clear its intent with

respect to total reserves and the money supply, adopts a guide

or guides to open market operations which will not result in

defeating the Committee's intentions, at least, as to the

direction of movement which should occur in the supply of

reserves and, over time, in the quantity of money.

In attributing the liquidation of Government securities

by banks to the combination of a penalty discount rate and a

policy of keeping banks indebted to the System, I may have

oversimplified. Some have seemed to think that the banking

community has been reflecting a change in the expectations of

the business community. If so, this could be considered

ominous. But whether that is so or not, it appears to me that

steps should be taken to reverse the decline in total reserves

with a view to reversing also the decline in the money supply,

if for no other reason than because the Committee made a

decision at the March 1 meeting to supply reserves more readily

and at the March 22 meeting did not, as I recall it,

indicate

that it wanted reserves again and further reduced. Unless the

policy adopted March 1 and 22 is to be reversed, I see no way

to defend continued contraction of the supply of total reserves

and money.

If the Committee does not want to continue reducing total

reserves and the money supply, what means can it employ? The

way I prefer is to direct the Desk to increase total reserves,

seasonally adjusted, at a designated annual rate, say about

2 per cent. However, if it is desired, at least for the time

being, that net borrowed reserves be used as an operating

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guide to open market operations, I suggest that the Desk be

authorized to cause or permit the level of net borrowed reserves

to fluctuate more flexibly with a view to bringing about the

Committee's desired results as to total reserves and the money

supply, rather than treating net borrowed reserves as if they

were the proximate objective of policy. In such case the level

of net borrowed reserves in the near-term future may need to be

substantially reduced, maybe as low as $100 million or even

free reserves. If net borrowed reserves are thus used as a

means to an observable end, it would make sense to give the

Management of the Account considerable latitude as to the level

of net borrowed reserves which from time to time will be deemed

appropriate in order to induce the effect upon reserves and the

money supply which the Committee desires. This, I think, would

preserve a meaningful distinction between the Committee's policy

responsibility and the Desk's operating function.

The present discount rate, in its effect upon bank reserves

and money supply, has been substantially more restrictive in the

period since about February than it was in the previous six

months when the discount rate was below the bill rate. Unless

we think that the recent rise in short-term rates will persist,

a logical technical case can be made, I think, for reducing the

discount rate to a closer relationship with market rates. I

agree, however, that it would be better to wait and see what

the recent movement in market rates amounts to, and whether it

will persist.

Mr. Szymczak commented that the views presented by Messrs. Mills,

Bryan, and Johns merited study. At the present time, he felt that the

economy, over-all, was strong. There were, however, uncertainties in the

Government securities market and in his opinion, therefore, this would

be a good time to provide some reserves through open market operations.

When it came to the volume of reserves that might be supplied, he would

leave the decision to the judgment of the Manager of the Account, but

he would allow the level of net borrowed reserves to go down.

Mr. Balderston said the situation at the moment seemed to be one

that might be described as "rolling prosperity."

Whether it was rolling

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uphill, on the level, or downhill, he did not know, and he suspected

that his own uncertainty with regard to the future was shared by many

businessmen and by those in the financial markets.

On the one hand,

there were evidences of strength, such as an 8 per cent increase over a

year ago in long-distance telephone toll calls.

Also, he had gotten a

report from a chemical company that despite unsatisfactory sales in

January and February, both of which had fallen behind the budget, sales

in the last two weeks of March were surprisingly good.

A report from

an electrical company indicated that while export business was off, sales

of components to a large number of customers, large and small, had been

very strong, leading the company to suppose that its users of components

were doing well and that the export business would be better.

On the

other hand, there was ahead Treasury financing that ought not fail, and

there was the continued decline in the money supply that had already been

discussed this morning.

Then, too, the period of business expansion was

already two years old and, if past cyclical movements were to repeat

themselves, there would be happenings under the surface that it would be

difficult to observe until too late.

He hoped the System would act

sooner rather than later to counter any weaknesses that might be coming

into the economy that would cause the rolling prosperity to roll downhill.

Mr. Balderston said he had been somewhat disturbed in the past

three weeks by the apparent failure to let the economy have and hold

such ease as had developed.

While he could not be sure of this, he had

the uneasy feeling as the weeks passed that such ease as developed was

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again being mopped up by the System.

The net borrowed reserve level

that had emerged in the past three weeks was higher than be would have

liked, and thus far the System apparently had failed to cause the money

supply to increase.

He hoped that corrective action might be taken in

the next three weeks, but that it could be taken unobtrusively.

If the

net borroed reserve figure should drop to around $200 million or lessa development he would like to see--that would be noted, of course, and

publicized.

However,

he thought it

necessary to move in that direction

because the System may have overstayed restraint in the fashion explained

by Messrs. Mills and Bryan.

At the same time, since businessmen them

selves seemed to be groping to discover what the future might hold, he

hoped that overt action by the System might be avoided.

Chairman Martin commented that Mr. Thomas had quoted him correctly

as saying that the inflationary psychology had somewhat diminished.

That

did not necessarily mean, of course, that inflationary psychology would

not reassert itself.

He was inclined to think that System policy,

generally speaking, had been quite correct.

It

could perhaps have been

modified in a number of respects, and without criticizing the Desk it

was

his impression that there may have been too much reliance on net borrowed

reserve figures over the past few weeks.

been given to them by the Desk.

Too much attention may have

This was just an observation of the kind

it is easy to make when not operating the Desk, but it was one that he

thought was rather obvious.

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Chairman Martin said he thought a fairly good case could be made

that the general economic picture required that some attention be paid to

making additions to the money supply.

How such additions might be brought

about, he did not know, but the reason he considered it important was that

monetary policy and debt management policy had now come together for the

first time in a long period.

Also, even with the prospect that Govern

ment spending for welfare programs might be in the headlines in the

course of the next few weeks, it

small

looked as though there would be a

budget surplus for this fiscal year and a substantial budget surplus in

the next fiscal year.

Thus, the Treasury would be paying down debt for

the first time in a long period.

Furthermore, although only about $370

million had gone into the new long-term Treasury bond, that was a defla

tionary step.

The Treasury had indicated, and the market expected, that

the Treasury would lengthen the debt whenever it had an opportunity.

Thus,

monetary policy was being supplemented actively by debt management policy,

and this was something to bear in mind.

Turning to the discussion at this meeting, the Chairman noted

that there had been practically no sentiment in favor of an increase in

restraint. With regard to the question of what Committee policy had been,

he suggested that this fell somewhat into the area of semantics.

The

Committee could never quite know whether its intentions were carried out

or to what extent the situation developed on its own accord.

Continuing, the Chairman said it should be recognized that the

Treasury was now in the market for some time.

The Committee had generally

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followed a policy of even keel at such ties.

By and large, however, and

without any overt action, he felt that a trend toward lower net borrowed

reserves would be the part of wisdom and would be what the economy re

quired.

As to the broad economic picture, he did not want to repeat

what he had said on previous occasions.

However, the farm situation still

concerned him, for he saw gradual pressures in that area that were likely

to multiply.

In his opinion, the banks had made themselves illiquid; one

of the things now in the picture was that many of the easy credit plans

the banks were espousing so actively several months ago were now a source

of some worry to the banks.

Taking all these things together, it

seemed

to him that when debt management policy and monetary policy came together

as at present, and when there were uncertainties in the economy, the

System certainly ought not absorb any more of the reserves being created

by the action of the economy itself than it was necessary to absorb.

Looking at the matter as an outsider and not in any way as a critic, it

seemed to him that during the past week or so the Desk had been keeping

up a target that got into the area of more restraint rather than less.

That again touched upon the cumulative effect of policy over a period of

time.

Chairman Martin expressed the view that any overt action on the

part of the System in either direction would be unfortunate at this time.

However, he felt that the Account Management might look toward a lower

level of net borrowed reserves when that level was coming about from

natural sources and could be avoided only by sales from the System Account

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portfolio.

That, he suggested, would be in accord with both the spirit

and purpose of System policy.

As he had said on other occasions, he

thought there was a tendency to take what monetary policy can do too

seriously.

He did not think $100 million of reserves one way or the

other was going to make or break the economy.

However, with the manage

ment of the debt and open market policy now complementing each other,

ordinary prudence would make the System lean in the direction of supply

ing more reserves than there had been in the banking system until it

could be seen clearly where the economy was going.

System might want to take overt action.

At that point, the

It was possible, of course,

that there might be another bonfire of inflationary psychology; that was

the essential problem in the balance of payments.

The System ought to

take overt action if something like that should occur, but he considered

it

unlikely, and in his judgment it

particular cycle if it

would be the last bonfire of this

did occur.

Chairman Martin commented that there had been only one suggestion

for a change in the directive during today's discussion.

When it

came to

the level of net borrowed reserves, a tally just handed to him by the

Secretary indicated that a large majority of those who had spoken appeared

to favor moving downward.

In this connection, Mr. Bopp said he had found the discussion

subsequent to his previous comments convincing, and that he would favor

some slight easing.

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Chairman Martin then said that the consensus favored no change in

the directive.

It was also the consensus that the Committee should move

in the direction of slightly easing the picture as far as reserves were

concerned, but with great care on the part of the Desk not to do this in

an overt way.

Mr. Rouse, who had left the room somewhat earlier to confer with

the Desk by telephone, commented at this point on developments in the

Government securities market.

The essence of his report was that the bill

market, which closed more or less at bottom yesterday, had been deterio

rating rather steadily this morning.

It was now the view of the market that

the auction of one-year bills this afternoon would result in an average

rate higher than 4-1/2 per cent, with outside bidding likely to be weak and

dealers reportedly reluctant to underwrite the issue.

Mr. Rouse said that

the Treasury expected to enter tenders for about $100 million of the one

year bills, and that if prices for the issue turned out to be spread over

too wide a range, the Treasury might award less than the amount of the offer

ing.

In further comments, he said that the new three-month bills auctioned

yesterday were now being quoted at 3.70-3.65 and the new 182-day bills at

4.00-3.96.

The long-term market also had been affected.

Mr. Rouse said he had authorized the Desk to buy from $75 to $100

million of the bills auctioned yesterday for Thursday delivery, and to make

repurchase agreements in about the same amount to mature on Thursday.

He

hoped that that would bring some degree of stability to the market, and he

felt it was about all that could be done today.

In view of the fact that

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yesterday's net borrowed reserve figure was lower than estimated, he had

thought there would be some payoffs of repurchase agreements.

However,

dealers evidently had not been able to make sales from their portfolios

and there were no payoffs.

He repeated that he thought the actions he

outlined were about all that the Desk could do as far as today was con

cerned.

With respect to policy for the next three weeks, as indicated by

Chairman Martin's statement of the concensus, Mr. Rouse said he thought

the Desk could handle the situation on that basis.

He hoped it would be

possible to avoid any second-guessing about targets in terms of net

borrowed reserves.

There was always the problem of minds being fixed on

some particular target.

Mr. Mills referred to the situation in the Government securities

market, as described by Mr. Rouse, and inquired whether it

would be

profitable to have discussion as to whether this was a disorderly market

that deserved aggressive action on the part of the Desk in the bill area.

One possibility would be to let the market know that the System was inter

posing its buying power up to some certain amount of bills which would be

acquired from the market following the auction.

assurance to the market, he did not know.

What amount would give

If the figure was too low it

would mean nothing; if too high it might look out of line with good

common sense.

Mr. Rouse then said that in addition to what was already being

done, the only other thing that in his opinion would make a contribution

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would be to give assurance to the dealers of repurchase agreements

being available on Friday, the payment date for the new one-year bills.

In addition to the fact that Good Friday is a legal holiday in some States,

it

is

a day when the Government securities market is

many of the dealers'

normally closed, and

financing sources also would be closed.

Therefore,

the situation was an unusual one that might create additional complica

tions.

Accordingly, Mr. Rouse said, he would like to be able to advise

the dealers that the Desk would be favorably disposed to assisting the

dealers on Friday by making repurchase agreements available on a liberal

basis.

Mr. Mills said that presumably this should be generous help, and

the repurchase agreements should cover a period sufficient to allow the

dealers bidding in the auction to work off their purchases.

Chairman Martin said he saw no objection, in the light of the

holiday, to giving such an indication.

He felt it would be unfortunate

to intervene in the market in any other way than the manner in which the

situation was being handled, because such intervention would produce

more adverse comment and uncertainty than any good that might come out of

it.

Mr. Rouse then said that if agreeable to the Committee he would

like to be excused, because time was of importance,

in order to authorize

the Desk to advise the dealers that repurchase agreements would be avail

able on Friday on a liberal basis in order to help them with any financing

problems they might encounter.

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The Chairman asked whether there were any further comments, and

no dissenting views were stated.

Accordingly, Mr. Rouse withdrew from

the meeting to get in touch with the Desk.

Chairman Martin recalled that he had previously stated the con

sensus as to open market policy in the ensuing period.

He went on to say

that anyone who would like to be recorded as voting against the policy

indicated by the consensus was free to express himself at this time.

Mr. Robertson said that he would vote in the negative except for

the fact that this was not a large problem.

of the meeting, the consensus favored

As he understood the summary

slight easing.

Therefore, the

problem was not a large one, and he would not want to make an issue of it,

although in his own judgment it would be wiser to take the other course.

Chairman Martin said that he had used the word "overt" because

he thought that was the real key to the problem.

He would not want

overt easing; he would not want to do anything that might be construed

as overt.

Mr. Shepardson commented that the Chairman had referred earlier

to not absorbing such ease as the market itself developed.

disagree with that, Mr. Shepardson said.

He would not

It had been his thought that

the Committee should not take positive action on its own to produce an

easing, but it seemed appropriate to allow such ease as developed in the

market to remain there.

Chairman Martin replied that a very thin line was involved,

following which Mr. Shepardson said he did not wish to dissent from the

policy indicated

bythe consensus.

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Chairman Martin then said that, although this represented

second-guessing,

if one were talking of the color, tone, and feel of the

market, along with the level of net borrowed reserves, he felt that the

Desk had kept net borrowed reserves somewhat higher than he would have

kept them himself during the past period.

In saying this, he realized

that it is easy to sit at a distance from the market and second-guess the

targets, and he did not think for a moment that $100 million of reserves

one way or the other was going to make or break the economy.

With reference to Mr. Shepardson's comment,

Mr. Szymczak

observed that situations might arise in the market where the policy

indicated by the consensus would not only allow natural forces to operate

but would add a little

to the situation.

Mr. Shepardson agreed.

He added that in his comments he had

reverted to a phrase the Chairman used earlier.

The Chairman then stated that he would put the question, that

he did not want to urge anyone to record a negative vote, and that a

very modest thing was involved.

Mr. Robertson said that he did not went to record a negative

vote, particularly in the light of the market situation which might call

for putting reserves into the market, thereby automatically dropping the

level of net borrowed reserves.

The Chairman then inquired of Mr. Treiber whether he saw any

reason for a change in the directive, and Mr. Treiber responded in the

negative.

Accordingly, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Committee voted unani

mously to direct the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York until otherwise directed by

the Committee:

(1)

To make such purchases, sales, or exchanges (includ

ing replacement of maturing securities, and allowing maturities

to run off without replacement) for the System Open Market

Account in the open market or, in the case of maturing securi

ties,

by direct exchange with the Treasury, as may be necessary

in the light of current and prospective economic conditions

and the general credit situation of the country, with a view

(a) to relating the supply of funds in the market to the needs

of commerce and business, (b) to fostering sustainable growth

in economic activity and employment while guarding against

excessive credit expansion, and (c) to the practical admin

istration of the Account; provided that the aggregate amount

of securities held in the System Account (including commit

ments for the purchase or sale of securities for the Account)

at the close of this date, other than special short-term

certificates of indebtedness purchased from time to time for

the temporary accommodation of the Treasury, shall not be

increased or decreased by more than $1 billion;

To purchase direct from the Treasury for the account

(2)

of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (with discretion, in

cases where it seems desirable, to issue participations to one

or more Federal Reserve Banks) such amounts of special short

term certificates of indebtedness as may be necessary from

time to time for the temporary accommodation of the Treasury;

provided that the total amount of such certificates held at

any one time by the Federal Reserve Banks shall not exceed in

the aggregate $500 million.

Chairman Martin referred to the discussion at the Committee

meeting on March 22, 1960, relative to a memorandum from Messrs. House,

Thomas, and Young, dated March 18, 1960, with respect to ways in which

the System Open Market Account might function so as to help minimize

refinancing difficulties of the Treasury when such transactions do not

interfere with Federal Reserve credit and monetary policy objectives.

He indicated that the matter had been placed on the agenda for this

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meeting to permit anyone who so desired to discuss it

time and that it

further at this

would be the intention to bring up the subject period

ically for consideration.

Mr. Treiber then made the following statement:

It is fortunate for the Federal Reserve System that the

U. S. Treasury is subject to the discipline of the market in

selling its securities and does not have a pipeline to the

central bank. In order to assure the continuation of this

fortunate situation the System must recognize an obligation

to assist the Treasury wherever it can without jeopardizing

System responsibilities.

The Federal Reserve is concerned with promoting maximum

sustainable economic growth with reasonable price stability.

Monetary policy can contribute to the attainment of this

goal; so can debt management.

The System has a duty to do

the maximum within its power to promote the ultimate goal.

To the extent the System can assist debt management in pro

moting that goal without adversely affecting monetary policy

it

has a duty to do so.

I think the System could offer assistance to the Treasury

that would still be consistent with monetary policy and with

general market conditions and that would not distort yield or

price patterns. This would involve no specific commitment

on the part of the System to undertake operations in prescribed

amounts in either the one-year Treasury bills that mature

quarterly or the 2-1/2 per cent bonds of 1961.

The Manager now has authority, I believe, to buy various

issues of Treasury bills, including the special one-year bills

which mature July 15 and quarterly thereafter. The Committee

might indicate that it would look with favor upon the gradual

acquisition of the July 15 and other quarterly bills in

regular open market operations. In addition, the Committee

might instruct the Manager to acquire July 15 bills in

response to dealers' offers and concurrently to sell other

securities provided the purchase and sale do not create

distortions in the market prices of the securities involved.

The Manager would proceed modestly under such instructions

with the understanding that he would be expected not to

acquire more than, say, $150 million of the July 15 Treasury

bills between now and the next meeting of the Committee.

The System should also seek, I think, to increase its

holdings of 2-1/2 per cent Treasury bonds of 1961. I would

expect that the amount of such bonds so acquired would be

modest and that they would be acquired in the same way as

just outlined with respect to the one-year Treasury bills.

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Therefore, I suggest that we make a start on the

acquisition of these issues, recognizing that the amount

acquired between now and the next meeting may be small--or,

indeed, that none at all may be acquired.

Such acquisitions would also help to increase the

flexibility and usability of the System's short-term port

folio--a goal that should be pursued in any event as an aid

to the effectiveness of the management of the Account. It

seems little short of remarkable that the Account has done

so well in meeting the wide swings of reserve needs and

reserve pressures with average holdings of less than $2

billion of Treasury bills, which have, for practicable pur

poses, been our only stock in trade. For the scale of

present markets and reserves, I should think that the Account

ought to contain at least twice that amount of bills or other

short-term securities available for active trading.

The question today is merely one of modest transactions

in the special one-year Treasury bills maturing quarterly

and in the 2-1/2 per cent Treasury bonds of 1961. It seems

to me that such transactions should be undertaken.

In response to an inquiry by Chairman Martin, Mr. Treiber stated

that, with respect to the one-year bills maturing July 15, 1960, he

would have in mind an instruction to the Manager of the Account in

terms of acquiring up to $150 million of such bills between now and

the next meeting of the Committee, either through swaps or outright

purchases.

This, he pointed out, would represent a modest approach.

Mr. Allen noted that there were already $13.4 million of those

bills in the Account portfolio.

Mr.

Szymczak said that he agreed with this part of Mr. Treiber's

proposal, but that he was not sure about the part of the proposal involv

ing the acquisition of 2-1/2 per cent Treasury bonds of 1961.

He sug

gested that the two parts of the proposal be discussed separately.

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Accordingly, Chairman Martin stated that the part of the

proposal relating to the one-year bills would be discussed first.

Mr. Erickson said that he would favor starting on a program

of acquiring one-year bills.

If

it

developed that such a program

was helpful, he would extend it to comprehend the acquisition of

other issues of one-year bills in addition to those maturing July 15.

He raised the question whether it was advisable to fix any particular

amount of such bills to be acquired between meetings of the Open Market

Committee, and suggested that the instruction might be in terms of

giving the Account Manager permission to acquire a modest amount of

the bills as they appeared in the market.

Mr. Irons likewise expressed agreement with Mr. Treiber's

suggestion for buying one-year bills.

Upon inquiry by the Chairman

as to whether his thought would be to review the matter at the next

meeting of the Committee, Mr. Irons responded affirmatively.

He indi

cated, however, that he would prefer not to specify acquisition of any

particular amount of the bills in the period between meetings.

Messrs. Mangels, Deming, and Allen indicated that they would

have no objection to this part of Mr. Treiber's proposal.

Mr. Leedy said that he would favor the proposal, if it

terms of purchases of one-year bills maturing in July.

was in

However, if it

contemplated swapping longer maturities to acquire the bills, he would

have reservations.

As he understood it, this would be involved.

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Mr. Treiber commented that the ability of the Account to

acquire any substantial amount of the bills would be reduced if the

Account were not authorized to make offsetting sales, following which

Mr. Leedy noted that according to current reserve projections, pur

chases of securities to the extent of as much as $150 million might

be needed between now and the next meeting of the Committee to ef

fectuate the objectives of open market policy.

If the one-year bills

could be acquired on that basis, he would have no objection.

However,

he would like to have the benefit of more discussion before taking a

definite position on the question of swapping longer maturities into

one-year bills.

Mr. Treiber commented that his suggestion did not mean neces

sarily that longer maturities would have to be sold.

It might be

possible to swap other bills in the Account portfolio for the one-year

bills.

Mr. Leedy said that in view of the swings that had been occurring

in the market he would be fearful of the interpretation that might be

placed on transactions reflecting a decision to use longer maturities

for the purpose of swap transactions.

As he had understood it,

Mr.Treiber's

suggestion contemplated that in acquiring one-year bills maturing July 15,

the Account would dispose of holdings other than bills through swap

transactions.

Mr. Treiber then indicated that as far as this particular part

of his proposal was concerned, he would think in terms of swapping holdings

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in the System Account portfolio, to which Mr. Treiber replied in

terms that his suggestions had been divided into two parts.

One part

had to do with the possible acquisition of quantities of the 2-1/2

per cent bonds of 1961 by purchasing them when they were available

and selling something else, but he did not understand that this part

of the proposal was presently under discussion,

Neither did he under

stand that the question of future policy in building up the proportion

of bill

holdings, to which he had also referred in his statement, was

comprehended by the suggestion presently being considered.

Mr. Leedy then said that he would not be averse to the type of

operation in July 15 bills that had been outlined.

that the Account sell securities other than bills

However, a proposal

in the market in the

period immediately ahead would cause him to have some concern.

Chairman Martin stated that this was a good point, and Mr. Szymczak

commented that if the Account were to buy July 15 bills at a time when

it did not want to put additional reserves into the market, the Account

would have to sell something else.

ahead, it

However, in the period immediately

might not be necessary to sell other securities.

Mr. Leach said that be would agree with the program suggested by

Mr. Treiber as it related to one-year bills.

As he understood it,

Mr. Treiber also had suggested the desirability of increasing the pro

portion of bills held in the Account portfolio but that was something

for discussion in the future.

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Mr. Leach vent on to say that he would be in favor of experi

menting with swaps in the short-term maturity area, which he would

define as extending to securities,

other than bills, with maturities

as long as perhaps 1-1/2 years.

Mr. Mills said that he shared some of Mr. Leedy's reservations.

While he believed that the Committee should experiment and get its

feet wet, he would do it

very gingerly.

He doubted very much whether

the Account should go immediately into a program such as had been

suggested, that is,

before the market situation had been clarified

and steadiness in the market had developed.

Chairman Martin commented that he felt the Committee could

rely on the Manager of the Account to understand that the Committee

was talking about what it would be permissible for him to do when in

his judgment it

would be appropriate.

Mr. Robertson commented that this was the same kind of proposal

that came before the Committee in 1956, at which time the Committee

voted against it.

He said that he had prepared a memorandum regarding

"swaps" that he would like to read to the Committee.

He wished to

preface his reading of the memorandum by saying that as long as the

program was confined to the area of bills it

cance than if

it

was of far less signifi

were extended to other securities.

On the other hand,

he felt that this would be a step in the wrong direction, without say

solid profits to be achieved.

He was thoroughly in accord with buying,

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would enable the Committee to assist the Treasury.

However, his

views on swap transactions were as stated in the following memorandum,

which he then read:

Section "c" of the continuing operating policies of

the Federal Open Market Committee, originally adopted in

1953 and reaffirmed at the March 22, 1960 meeting of the

Open Market Committee, specified that: "Transactions for

the System Account in the open market shall be entered into

solely for the purpose of providing or absorbing reserves

.

. and shall not include offsetting purchases and sales

of securities . . ." This obviously precludes "swaps".

Just as obviously, this policy can be changed by the Com

mittee. The question is whether it should be.

At the time this policy was under consideration I pointed

out to the Committee that there may be circumstances in which

our intervention elsewhere than in the shortest-term sector

of the market might have beneficial effects from the point of

view of debt management, without having any material relation

to monetary and credit policy. I still

hold to that view, but

also I have been convinced by the intervening history that the

possible advantages of participating in all sectors of the

Government securities market, with a variety of objectives, are

generally outweighed by the benefits of a strictly limited

participation.

Our job, as the central bank of the United States, is to

supply reserves and withdraw reserves in order to contribute

to the maintenance of an economy that is both stable and highly

In ordinary circumstances, the way to accomplish

productive.

this efficiently, without weakening the fiber of the Government

securities market and without tinkering with problems of debt

management that are primarily the responsibility of the Treasury,

is to confine our open market operations to selling securities

in the shortest-term sector when we believe reserves should be

absorbed and buying such securities when we believe additional

reserves should be supplied. This will enable us not only to

pursue single-mindedly our most vital duty of keeping reserves

as close as possible to the optimum level, but at the same time

to contribute to the strength of the market by enabling dealers

and investors to make decisions and take positions with a mini

mum of worry about a potentially massive but largely imponderable

"X" factor--i.e., the effect of transactions on behalf of the

mammoth portfolio of the Federal Reserve System.

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Although, as stated, I am not opposed to a deviation from

our existing policy in order to experiment for the purpose of

testing the validity of the policy, there should be a purpose

in mind which is sufficiently meritorious to warrant the action.

I do not believe the stated purpose of this proposed experi

mental authorization to engage in "swaps"--i.e., to aid the

Treasury in its debt management operations--will provide bene

fits sufficient to offset the potential detriments of such

action.

In engaging in "swap" transactions, our efforts to acquire

a particular issue would necessarily affect the structure of

market prices, in some degree, for they would diminish the

supply, of the issue purchased, available to investors and

increase the availability of whatever issues were swapped there

for. The more aggressively we engaged in such transactions,

the greater would be the effect on the market prices of the

issues involved. At the same time the profits of the few

dealers who handled the transactions would be enhanced--dealers

who are sufficiently sophisticated to "outswap" the System. It

is

questionable whether this could be justified on the basis of

potential benefits to the Treasury in its debt management opera

tions.

In connection with the $11 billion issue of 2-1/2 per cent

bonds of November 1961, some have suggested that it would be

necessary to acquire between $2 and $3 billion of the issue in

order to provide any substantial help to the Treasury in its

refinancing. The effects of "swap" transactions of this size

are readily apparent. To engage in such transactions in a

lesser volume would be to inject into the Government securities

market the upsetting factor of uncertainty as to the proposed

use of our large portfolio with relatively slight benefits to

the Treasury.

It might be argued--and has been--that the purpose of the

"swap" transactions would not be exclusively for the purpose of

aiding the Treasury, but rather would also help to perfect the

maturity schedule of our own portfolio. The need for this now

At the present time we have in our portfolio

is not apparent.

short-term securities of approximately $1,300 million. It

appears to me that during the balance of this year at least we

will be adding to the reserve supply rather than absorbing

reserves, and therefore we will be acquiring an even larger

portfolio of short-term securities. But even assuming that we

did need to alter the maturity schedule of our portfolio, would

it not be better to do so in transactions tailored for our needs

by the Treasury--even though this might involve a special deal

with the Treasury, a deal which would not be offered to other

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investors? Or in the alternative, would it not be better to

amend our policies so that the Account Management could in its

normal operations, at times when market conditions were pro

pitious, sell short certificates in lieu of bills, and then

when purchases had to be made, make them in bills so as to

build up the bill portfolio?

In my judgment, an authorization from the Committee to the

Manager of the Account to engage in "swap" transactions on an

experimental basis for the stated purpose of aiding the Treasury

in its debt management functions would not be justified by the

possible benefits to be derived therefrom by the Treasury.

Such

an arrangement would inject an additional element of uncertainty

into the Government securities market, which might well have the

effect of providing a disincentive for dealers to take positions

in issues in which the System might be likely to buy or sell for

purposes other than providing or absorbing reserves. In addi

tion, it would appear to be a first step toward more general

interference with forces in all areas of the Government securi

ties market and might lead ultimately to relatively frequent

operations for purposes other than providing or absorbing re

serves; at the least it would lead to a fear thereof--which in

itself would be disruptive to a freely-functioning market.

In short, it is my belief that, with institutional rela

tionships like those prevailing within the System and between

the System and the Treasury, it is very desirable to keep the

lines of precedent as clear and clean as possible and to avoid

muddying them by moves that might subsequently be used as levers

for compromising basic monetary policy objectives--especially

when the potential benefits of such moves appear to be so limited.

Mr. Shepardson indicated that he would favor the proposal of

Mr. Treiber relating to the one-year bills, and Messrs. Fulton and Bopp

also indicated that they would favor it, although Mr. Fulton added that

he hoped the number and volume of swap transactions could be held to

small proportions.

Mr. Bryan stated that he would have no objection, on the basis

of precedent or otherwise, to the purchase from time to time of such

amounts of one-year bills as seemed justifiable.

Even in that, however,

the Committee should note that it was establishing a precedent for it had

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customarily confined open market operations to short-term securities,

usually three-month bills.

This had been for a number of reasons,

among which was the theory that the three-month bill is

that always goes through cash.

it

The auction is

an instrument

always covered.

Now

was proposed to go into one-year bills for precisely the opposite

reason; namely, that the Treasury might be embarrassed.

Nevertheless,

the one-year bill is a short-term security, and he agreed with the

proposal.

On other aspects of the matter, Mr. Bryan commented, he had a

great deal of sympathy with what Mr. Robertson had said.

He was afraid

that if the Committee began tinkering with the 2-1/2 per cent bonds of

1961 it could do the Treasury an injustice.

By a little tinkering, the

Committee could create a situation in which public interest as to the

rollover would practically disappear.

Mr. Johns said he would be willing to experiment, along the

lines suggested by Mr. Treiber, with some acquisition of the July 15

bills, for example, even including some swaps in the short-term area.

However, there had been one aspect of the discussion at the March 22

Committee meeting that was not clear to him.

As he understood the

comments made at that meeting by Mr. Larkin, who attended in place of

Mr. Rouse,

it was contemplated that a dealer with whom

a transaction

was being conducted would be advised that it was a swap transaction

in order to avoid confusion with transactions intended to supply reserves.

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There followed discussion of this point during which Mr. Roosa

offered an explanation of what he understood Mr. Larkin had had in

mind.

In substance, Mr. Larkin's point was that if the Desk were to

seek to effect a swap,

price and it

it

would of course wish to obtain the best

would as a general rule ask dealers for quotations on

both sides of the transaction.

Hence dealers would ordinarily know

that a swap was involved and would not be confused or misled by the

transactions.

Messrs. Szymczak and Balderston then stated that they would be

favorable to the proposal outlined by Mr. Treiber insofar as it related

to one-year bills.

Chairman Martin said that he would favor going ahead with the

bills on an experimental basis, but that he would not go further and

hoped there would be a minimum of swaps.

He just

did not like the

technique of swaps, and nothing that had come up had persuaded him that

it

was a good technique for the Account to use.

a little

He might be wrong, and

experimentation probably was a good thing.

However, he cer

tainly would be hesitant about going into the 2-1/2 per cent bonds of

1961, at the present time or in the near future.

Mr. Leedy commented that the explanation of swapping technique

presented by Mr. Roosa had differed somewhat from his understanding of

the procedure indicated by Mr.

Larkin at

the March 22 meeting.

clarification was helpful to him, for he felt

that it

This

would be a far

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better technique to indicate generally that a swap was involved than to

attempt to confine a whole swap transaction to any one dealer.

Mr. Rouse,

who had returned to the meeting during the foregoing

discussion, commented that the volume of business through the Desk,

including open market transactions,

Treasury account business,

a good knowledge of its

is

foreign account transactions,

and

so large and continuous that the Desk has

markets.

Accordingly,

if

a dealer were to

propose a swap transaction, the Desk would generally be in

a position

to effect the swap or to execute one side of the transaction with such

dealer and the other side with another dealer, without further checking

of prices.

However,

there would be times when the Desk would need to

check further to ascertain whether a proposal was in line with the market.

Chairman Martin then suggested that the Committee act on the

basis that had been outlined; namely, to authorize the Management of the

Account to acquire up to $150 million of the one-year bills

maturing

July 15, 1960, between now and the next Committee meeting, either through

swaps or outright purchases,

with the understanding that the matter

would be called up again for review at

Mr.

the next meeting of the Committee.

Robertson stated that he would vote against proceeding on that

basis, for the reasons indicated in the memorandum that he had read

pertaining to swap transactions.

No other member of the Committee indicated that he would be

opposed to proceeding on the basis that had been suggested.

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Chairman Martin then referred to the letter that had been addressed

to him by a group of Senators under date of March 12, 1960, which contained

suggestions for change in some of the Federal Reserve operating procedures,

and to the draft of proposed reply that had been distributed to the Reserve

Bank Presidents under date of April 8, 1960.

He inquired whether any of

the members of the Committee or other Presidents had comments on the

draft of reply.

Mr. Leedy referred to that portion of the draft reply relating to

the prevention of undue speculation in Government securities, particularly

the part having to do with the possible issuance of a supervisory

instruction to Federal bank examiners in terms that prudent and sound bank

lending practice calls for appropriate margins in the case of all loans

to nondealer borrowers against Government securities as collateral.

Mr.

Leedy pointed out that the Federal Reserve Banks loan at par on United

States Government securities tendered as collateral for advances to member

banks and that all of the Federal bank supervisory agencies permit banks

under their supervision to carry Government securities at par regardless

of market value.

In these circumstances, he questioned whether the approach

cited in the portion of the draft reply to which he had referred would

be consistent with these practices and would be effective.

There followed some discussion of this point, during which Chairman

Martin said that the possible approach to which Mr.

Leedy referred had

been discussed at length by the Board and the other Federal bank supervisory

agencies.

It was understood that one of the supervisors (the Comptroller

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of the Currency) intended to go ahead with such an instruction to examiner

regardless of what the other agencies did.

Mr. Young pointed out that the suggestion was not new, having been

one of those advanced in the course of last year's Treasury-Federal Reserve

study of the Government securities market.

Chairman Martin then commented that the points brought out by Mr.

Leedy were worthy of consideration.

Mr. Treiber suggested that the group of Senators appeared to be

urging massive purchases of longer-term Government securities by the

Federal Reserve and that pertinent portions of the draft reply might be

reviewed in that light.

There followed comments on whether massive purchases of longer

term securities appeared to be envisaged by the Senators, from which it

seemed that there might be doubt as to what scale of open market operations

in securities other than bills the group of Senators may have had in mind.

In

response to a question by the Chairman, Mr. Treiber said he had no

specific language to suggest for the proposed letter

in

relation to the

point he had mentioned, and the Chairman indicated that the point would

be borne in mind.

Mr. Mills commented that the proposed reply represented a

compromise of many views and, therefore,

no one person might be completely

satisfied with the reply in the light of his own thinking, following which

Mr. Deming indicated that he had a suggestion of an editorial nature that

he would pass along to the Board's staff for consideration.

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It was agreed that the next meeting of the Federal Open Market

Committee would be held on Wednesday, May

, 1960, at 10:00 a.m.

Secretary's Note: In the light of subse

quent developments, the members of the

Committee and the other Presidents were

polled by telegram and it was decided to

hold the next meeting on Tuesday, May 3.

Chairman Martin stated, as a matter of information, that repre

sentatives of the Federal Reserve System, including a certain number of

Reserve Bank Chairmen and Reserve Bank Presidents, might be called upon

to appear at hearings before a Subcommittee of the House Banking and

Currency Committee in connection with one of several bills introduced by

Congressman Patman, probably H.R. 2790, which would call for a change in

the number of members of the Board of Governors,

abolishment of the Federal

Open Market Committee, and transfer of the Committee's functions to the

Board.

No date had yet been announced, he said, but it did not appear

that any such hearings would commence until after Easter.

Secretary's Note: It was learned subse

quently that hearings probably would be

held instead on H.R. 8516, also introduced

by Congressman Patman, which would provide

for retirement of the stock of the Federal

Reserve Banks and purportedly would make

any insured bank eligible for System

membership.

The meeting then adjourned.

Secretary

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  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1960},
  month = {Apr},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19600412},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
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