fomc minutes · March 26, 1962

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, March 27, 1962, at 10:00 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr. Martin, Chairman

Mr. Balderston

Mr. Bryan

Mr. Ellis

Mr.

Mills

Mr. Mitchell

Mr. Robertson

Shepardson

Mr. Clay, Alternate for Mr. Deming

Mr. Scanlon, Alternate for Mr. Fulton

Mr. Treiber, Alternate for Mr.

Hayes

Messrs. Bopp and Irons, Alternate Members of the

Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Wayne and Swan, Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Richmond and San Francisco,

respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. ackley, General Counsel

r. Thomas, Economist

Messrs. Brandt, Furth, Garvy, Hostetler, Noyes,

Parsons, and Willis, Associate Economists

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager for foreign

currency operations, System Open Market

Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel, Board of Governors

Messrs. Holland, Koch, and Williams, Advisers,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board of

Governors

Mr. Knipe, Consultant to the Chairman, Board of

Governors

Mr. Yager, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board of

Governors

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Messrs. Francis and Hemmings, First Vice

Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks of

St. Louis and San Francisco, respectively

Messrs. Eastburn, Ratchford, Baughman, Jones,

Tow, and Coldwell, Vice Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of Philadelphia,

Richmond, Chicago, St. Louis, Kansas City,

and Dallas, respectively

Mr. Stone, Assistant Vice President, Federal

Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Sternlight, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

the minutes of the meeting of the Federal.

Open Market Committee held on February 13,

1962, were approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report on open market operations in U. S. Government

securities covering the period March 6 through March 21, 1962, and a

supplementary report covering the period March 22 through March 26, 1962.

Copies of both reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Stone commented

as follows:

The money market has been generally comfortable since

the last meeting. Federal funds have moved between 2-1/2

and 3 per cent, with the effective rate typically at 2-3/4

or 3 per cent. The mid-March tax and dividend dates passed

without difficulty. As customarily happens, several hundred

million dollars of dealer financing was shifted from corpo

rations to banks around the tax date, but the banks were

readily able to meet this financing need. Indeed, Federal

funds were below the discount rate on March 15, when the

bulk of the shift occurred, and Treasury bill

rates, after

having remained unchanged during the morning, moved lower later

in the day.

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In recent days we have begun to see some of the effects

of the stockpiling of bills in Chicago in advance of the

April 1 Cook County tax date, and that situation will con

tinue to be a factor of some importance over the next week

or two.

The entire Government securities market has continued

to show a good deal of strength, and it may be worthwhile to

cite a few comparisons to emphasize the extent of this strength.

Rates on three-month Treasury bills, for example, are about

where they were in early February despite the fact that since

that time the Treasury has added a total of $800 million to

Rates on

the supply of three-month bills in weekly auctions.

six-month bills are somewhat lower than in early February,

and indeed are lower than they were three weeks ago, just

before the Treasury announced the auction of $1.8 billion

September tax bills--which are virtually equivalent to new

six-month bills since they mature at about the same time as

the six-month issue auctioned last week. I should add that

the strength of the short-term market has been evident

Hence it cannot be explained wholly

throughout the period.

in terms of reinvestment demand out of the March tax bills

that matured last week, or in terms of expectations of that

demand.

Intermediate- and longer-term Treasury issues have under

gone yield declines ranging to more than 20 basis points since

the last meeting and to more than 40 basis points since early

Yields on most long-term issues are at 4 per cent

February.

or slightly under, while 10-year issues yield about 3.80 per

cent. To cite another benchmark, the 4 per cent notes issued

in the recent Treasury refunding are now bid to yield 3.55

Corporate and municipal obligations have also under

per cent.

gone sharp changes in yield, although in the past week or two

investors--perhaps viewing the recent buildup in the calendar

of new issues--have shown resistance to some new offerings on

which the underwriters put a rather high price.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, the open market transactions in

Government securities during the period

March 6 through March 26, 1962, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Noyes presented the following statement with respect to

economic developments:

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The three weeks since the last meeting have produced

quite an array of data for February, and a little inconclusive

evidence with respect to the current month. Even with only a

few clues for March, however, technicians in and outside the

Government are firming up estimates of first quarter GNP at

figures a little

below $550 billion--$548 seems to be the

most popular figure at the moment.

I do not mean to suggest by this that the most recent

information is all bearish. In fact, most indicators picked

up considerably from January to February, and department

store and automobile sales appear to have improved further in

recent weeks.

Rather than run through the levels and changes revealed

by the latest data, it seemed to me that it might be more

useful today to try to place the current rate of expansion

in perspective.

At the moment the perplexing question seems

to be not so much the direction in which the economy is moving,

or its rate of progress, but rather whether or not that rate

of progress is sufficient.

So far as I am aware, no one con

tends that the current rate is excessive, and few that there

is any likelihood of over-rapid expansion in the period just

ahead.

A lag or sluggishness appears, of course, in relation to

most goals or projections for 1962 performance, made in the

late fall and early winter.

As one would expect, the most

widely used yardstick for evaluating our progress has been

the $570 billion annual GNP mentioned in the President's

Budget Message and Economic Report.

This involved a year-to

year increase of almost 10 per cent, and a fourth quarter to

fourth quarter rise of about 7-1/2 per cent. It was argued

that these rates, which were admittedly high for the second

year after an upturn, were not unrealistic because of the

substantial volume of idle human and physical resources, the

absence of inflationary pressures, and the generally unsatu

rated market conditions that prevailed.

Against this back

ground, first quarter performance has been disappointing at

best.

It should be noted at this point that if an important

part of the shortfall could reasonably be attributed to a

lesser rate of inventory accumulation than was anticipated,

there would be less cause for concern, but this does not

appear to be the case.

The current reduced estimates of

first

quarter GNP provide for about the same amount of

inventory accumulation as the original projections. Hence

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the entire difference is associated with a lesser rate of

final takings of goods and services, particularly of housing,

consumer durable goods, and fixed capital.

It may be properly pointed out, however, that the $570

billion goal for 1962, if not unrealistic, was at least

highly optimistic and that some shortfall should not be

regarded as a cause for alarm.

How might one go about setting

a minimum limit for adequate performance? Perhaps we can

approach this by looking first at the amount of growth in GNP

in current dollars it would take simply to hold real per capita

GNP constant. A conservative estimate is $4 billion annual

rate per quarter. Thus, starting from 542 in the fourth

quarter of 1961, an average for 1962 of about 552, and a

fourth quarter of 558 or so, would be necessary to maintain

real per capita GNP at the same level.

A very modest allowance

for growth necessary to maintain momentum would carry the

average to around $560 billion.

The complex interrelationships that enter into the

performance of the American economy can never be satisfactorily

summarized in a single figure, but this crude analysis does

suggest that one should search for the lower limit of acceptable

economic performance in 1962 somewhere above a $560 billion

annual average GNP, based on his judgment of what constitutes

a tolerable rate of unemployment, an adequate level of profits,

an acceptable volume of new investment, and other considerations.

The first quarter level of GNP may well have been depressed

by special nonrecurring factors, and natural forces may lead to

a more rapid rate of expansion as spring progresses. The fact

remains, however, that in this quarter we have been running very

close to the lower limit of sustainable expansion and that if

some improvement does not come in the next month or so, attention

must be focused on ways and means of maintaining expansion through

public policies of one kind or another.

Mr.

Furth presented the following statement with respect to the

U. S. balance of payments and related matters:

The U. S. balance of payments for the current quarter will

show the smallest deficit since the first quarter of 1961, but

will still

be far from equilibrium.

According to the data for January and February ana pre

liminary data for the first three weeks of March, the deficit

for the quarter may be estimated at $400 million, only slightly

more tnan in the first

quarter of 1961 and less than one-third

of the deficit for the last quarter of 1961.

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This development is particularly interesting because

our trade balance seems to have deteriorated rather than

improved.

If the trade figures for January (the only ones

as yet available) are taken as an indication for the entire

quarter, our seasonally adjusted trade surplus was about

$200 million less than in the last quarter of 1961 and more

than $600 million less than in the first quarter of 1961,

when our imports were at a cyclical low.

The greatest improvement apparently occurred in the

outflow of short-term capital, including unrecorded trans

actions. Part of this improvement represented merely a

technical reversal of flows associated with year-end window

dressing. But it is encouraging to note that the bulk of

the recorded short-term capital outflow in the current

quarter apparently reflected only a further expansion of

bank and trade credits to countries that regularly depend

upon the financial resources of the New York market.

It is less encouraging to note there has been quite

recently a considerable shift from foreign private to

foreign official dollar holdings, probably connected in

part with the shift of funds from continental European

currencies or Euro-dollars into sterling.

Commercial banks

in the United Kingdom, in conformity to official advice,

This

transfer dollar accretions to the Bank of England.

means an increased danger of drains on the U. S. gold stock.

Our net gold drain during the quarter amounted to $300

million, including two sales to be executed later this week;

half of this amount, however, may be considered to be offset

by the increase in our holdings of foreign convertible

currencies. If the accumulation of foreign official dollar

holdings continues, it will lead to further gold drains,

unless the Treasury prefers the humiliation of begging our

friends not to convert their dollar holdings into gold in

order to uphold the prestige of the dollar.

The recent capital flow to London can only partly, if

at all, be explained by interest-rate differentials between

New York and London.

On a covered basis, the interest-rate

differential between these places, as measured by the

difference in Treasury bill

rates minus the forward discount

of the pound sterling, has been in favor of New York for

quite some time. Recently the differential has reached

three-eightns of one per cent, which might be thought

sufficient to cause some flows to New York.

Actually, however, comparison based on Treasury bill

rates can be misleading because the London money market

offers higher rates on certain investments that are, rightly

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or wrongly, considered by some investors the equivalent of

prime investments in New York, especially deposits with local

authorities and with finance companies. On a covered basis,

these rates still show an advantage of nearly one per cent

over investments in the New York money market. Euro-dollar

rates in London also are still quoted at 3-1/2 per cent, at

least 1/2 per cent higher than returns on prime money market

paper in New York.

This latter relationship can hardly be changed by move

ments in the New York money market rates. According to oral

information, some London financial institutions are willing

to operate in the Euro-dollar market with a margin of only

1/16 of 1 per cent, and therefore will always be able to

out-compete New York banks for international deposits.

As a result of the reduction in the U. K. bank rate,

the deposit rates offered by British local authorities and

financial companies may be significantly reduced in the

near future. But it remains to be seen whether funds

hitherto attracted into these deposits will flow to New York

or rather seek investment in Euro-dollars or continental

European currencies. The second probability seems high,

since most of the funds apparently have come from the Euro

dollar market or directly from continental European holders.

Gold and exchange markets have not shown surprising

developments recently. The London gold price was yesterday

A small price

at exactly the same level as three weeks ago.

increase in the middle of March, apparently caused by gold

purchases by a small central bank that does not participate

in the widely publicized gold pool, was immediately reversed

when these purchases ceased.

The recent decline in the sterling rate was decisively

The

influenced by the latest decline in U. K. bank rate.

improved position of the dollar in London should therefore

In

not be attributed to developments in the United States.

fact, the dollar lost some ground in the two countries in

which it was strong three weeks ago, Germany and the Netherlands.

Allegedly, this change, too, had more to do with domestic events

in those countries than with the international position of the

United States. Both Germany and the Netherlands have been

experiencing temporarily tightened monetary conditions, and

the banks seem to have converted some of their foreign exchange

holdings into local currency to meet domestic demands.

The dollar improved somewhat in Zurich. Although the

decline in the Swiss franc rate has given rise to much comment,

the Swiss franc is still

quoted well above parity against the

dollar.

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To sum up:

we must be grateful for the reversal of the

deterioration in our balance of payments, which started in

mid-1961. But we have at best reached a half-way station

between the critical position in which we found ourselves

three months ago and a position which would represent imminent

prospects of sustainable equilibrium.

Mr. Thomas presented the following statement with respect to

credit developments:

Credit markets have reflected the lull in the pace of

economic expansion. Bond prices have risen and some interest

rates have tended to decline in a period when the money market

was relatively tight because of seasonal credit and liquidity

needs. Bank loan expansion has been large but not exceptionally

so for the March tax period. Banks also increased their holdings

of "other" securities, but showed unusually large reductions in

holdings of Government securities. As a consequence, total bank

credit expansion was relatively small for this period. Time

deposits at banks continued to increase, but demand deposits may

have declined some after adjustment for usual seasonal variations.

Reserve availability did not increase, and free reserves on the

average were relatively lower than in February.

Rising prices of Treasury bonds brought average yields on

long-term issues down to below 4 per cent for the first time

since November. Average yields on 3- to 5-year issues declined

below 3-1/2 per cent--the lowest since last May. Treasury bill

yields also declined from mid-February levels but remained close

to or above the highest levels for 1961, reached at the end of

the year. Rates on Federal funds and on bank loans to dealers

have remained at or only slightly below 3 per cent.

Strength in Government securities has occurred despite

reductions in holdings by the banking system and an increase in

bill offerings by the Treasury, and at a time when corporations

might be expected to reduce holdings. Holdings for foreign

accounts at the Federal Reserve have increased moderately, and

it is reported that some of the proceeds of recent new issues

of securities in capital markets are being invested in Govern

ment securities. Of most importance, there have been very large

increases in the positions of dealers in Government securities

in recent weeks. Dealers' positions in bills are comparable to

high levels reached at times last fall, and holdings of coupon

issues maturing in less than a year are relatively large for a

period not including a Treasury financing operation in this area.

Holdings of longer-term issues continue to comprise only a minor

portion of dealers' positions.

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Corporate and State and local government securities, which

for some time had shown more strength than U. S. Treasury issues,

have continued strong, with small further declines in yields.

Public offerings of securities to obtain new capital have been

in lighter volume during March than in February, and dealers

have been able to reduce inventories of unsold issues.

Plans

for new issues, however, are again building up, and April offer

ings may be somewhat larger. Prices of common stocks have shown

little change in recent weeks, with trading activity tending to

decline.

Banking statistics are difficult to interpret at this time,

because a difference of one day can cause very large shifts in

liquid assets and current liabilities of businesses and hence in

bank loans, investments, and deposits. On the basis of partial

figures for city banks for March 21, expansion in loans to busi

nesses and to finance companies over the tax period appears to

be within the range of normal variations for the past seven years.

This increase has been offset to a considerable extent, however,

by unusually large decreases in bank loans on securities and in

As a consequence, although

holdings of Government securities.

holdings of other securities increased by a substantial amount,

the increase in total credit supplied by city banks over the

tax period was relatively small. Data for the first half of

change in total credit at nonreporting

March indicate little

banks, compared with an increase in the same period last year.

Time deposits continued to increase at city banks in the

first

three weeks of March at a faster pace than in other years,

but the rate of increase slowed down somewhat compared with

January and February.

Data available for other savings institu

tions show a continued substantial inflow of net savings during

February. Available data indicate the likelihood of a decrease

in demand deposits, after adjustment for seasonal variations,

three weeks of March. Demand deposits adjusted

during the first

at all commercial banks are about 2 per cent larger than a year

Total

ago, while time deposits are close to 15 per cent larger.

cent.

deposits increased by about 7 per

Recent weeks seem to have been another period, such as have

occurred at times during the past year, when restraint on supply

rates has been

ing reserves in order to prevent a decline in bill

accompanied by absence of expansion in the money supply. Reflect

ing the increase in time deposits, required reserves have been

slightly larger than in February, and member banks have found it

necessary to borrow somewhat more often to maintain their reserve

positions.

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Again this raises the question as to how much time deposits

might substitute for demand deposits in supporting an expanding

economy. Won' t some expansion in demand deposits be essential?

A collateral question is whether saving in general is being unduly

encouraged in view of the continued slack in the utilization of

available resources in the economy.

For those who believe that the function of monetary policy

is to regulate aggregate demand--consumption and investment--or

for those who would use monetary policy to stimulate investment

in times of slack, the present situation would clearly call for

a somewhat more expansionary policy. This approach, however,

would be questioned by those who suspect that the slowness of

economic advance that has been characteristic of this country

during recent years is due to structural problems that cannot

be remedied--or might even be worsened, particularly in view of

our international situation--by easy credit or injections of

fiscal stimulants. With respect to the possible contribution

of monetary policy, this Committee will have to continue to seek

an appropriate stance between these two extremes.

Mr. Treiber presented the following statement of his views on the

business outlook and credit policy:

Business activity is expanding less rapidly than was

expected a few months ago, and less rapidly than in the

comparable stages of the two previous business cycles.

Although it is possible that the current slowdown in the

advance may portend a downturn in general business activity

sometime later in the year, it appears more likely that the

chief issue over the rest of the year will be the pace of the

advance rather than the problem of recession.

Employment has risen less rapidly in the current business

expansion than in either of the two previous expansions. The

lag probably reflects not only the less rapid advance in

economic activity but also a greater increase in productivity

in the current period. The momentum of economic expansion is

especially important because of the continuing high rate of

unemployment and the possibility that the labor force may

expand almost as rapidly as employment increases during the

rest of the year.

While personal income has been rising, consumers have

been conservative in their spending. While business outlays

for plant and equipment have been rising, the rise has not

been rapid.

The housing picture is not strong.

The inventory

outlook is heavily dependent upon shifting expectations with

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regard to the outcome of the present wage negotiations in

the steel industry. It is hard to see what factor may spark

an upsurge in economic activity. Yet the cumulative effect

of greater activity in several areas could be substantial.

Prices continue to be stable. There are no signs of

inflationary pressures on the demand side. On the cost side,

the terms of settlement of the wage negotiations in the

steel industry will be very important.

Bank credit has expanded satisfactorily in recent weeks,

due more to increased loans than to increased investments;

investment maturities have been extended to improve earnings.

Time deposits continue to show substantial gains, but not as

large as in January.

New offerings of securities by business concerns and by

State and local governments have been substantial this year;

Further large

in most cases they have been well received.

security offerings appear to be in prospect, stimulated to

some extent by comparatively low long-term market rates and

other conditions favorable to the sale of securities.

The ability of business concerns and State and local

governments to borrow readily in the capital market, the

relatively good liquidity position of the commercial banks

and their consequent ability to make loans, and the liquidity

and potential purchasing power of consumers all indicate no

need for any increase in credit ease for domestic purposes.

Looking at the international situation, our adverse

balance of payments continues to be a severe problem. While

the figures for the first

quarter of 1962 are much better,

largely for seasonal reasons, than the figures for the last

three

quarter of 1961, estimates for February and the first

weeks in March appear to indicate that the over-all first

quarter deficit will not be much different than that for the

The outflow of gold has increased

first

quarter of 1961.

recently, and more gold losses are likely.

While the recent action of the Bank of England in reducing

the bank rate should be helpful to the dollar, there are still

rate advantages in foreign financial markets.

As for appropriate monetary policy, it seems to me that

we should continue about the same policy we have been pursuing

This would mean having the three-month Treasury

in recent weeks.

bill rate at or about 2-3/4 per cent, with the rate on Federal

In

funds at or not far from the discount rate at most times.

order to avoid downward pressure on the bill rate it may be

desirable to buy longer term securities against the sale of

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Treasury bills or other short-term securities. There is plenty

of evidence, including the strength throughout the market for

fixed income securities, that an abundant supply of credit is

available.

Therefore, I think that the free reserve figure may

properly be de-emphasized as a policy criterion, and a somewhat

lower level of free reserves may be permitted to develop if such

a level is needed to achieve the rate objective.

I see no need for any substantial change in the current

economic policy directive. Nor would I favor any change in the

discount rate at this time, unless it were part of a "package"

or group of actions to be taken by our Government on several

fronts to focus attention on, and help solve, our balance-of

payments problem.

Mr. Ellis reported that business activity in New England showed

mixed patterns, without apparent vigor.

up, for example, in business spending.

The mixture of trends showed

Nonresidential building contract

awards in February were weak in comparison with preceding months, while

the results of a survey of manufacturers' intentions indicated a

cent rise in capital expenditures over 1961.

showing mixed patterns.

4

per

Consumer spending also was

After adjustment for the different dates of

Easter, department store sales were

4 per cent ahead of 1961, but in

February new car financing by New England banks showed a sharp decline

of one-third from January.

As to production, the New England index

contained seasonal factors that called for a gain from January to February

of about 3 per cent, but preliminary estimates indicated that the index

was falling short of the normal pattern.

Insured unemployment showed

little change in February, but two labor market areas were

added to the

Group E classification, making a total of four, whereas there

were

in that classification last fall.

none

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Mr. Ellis said that New England banks had experienced about the

normal tax borrowing increase.

Demand deposits leveled off in March

and loan-deposit ratios were rising, thus continuing the trend character

istic

of the first

quarter.

A reduction in holdings of Government

securities was continuing.

Turning to policy, Mr. Ellis said the lack of vigor of demand

suggested that the hesitation in the pace of business activity was

continuing.

In the present circumstances, it seemed appropriate to

continue the current policy of stimulating credit expansion.

On the one

hand, there was no real evidence to indicate that present policy was too

stimulating; on the other hand, there was no sound reason to believe that

present policy was retarding economic expansion.

Recent free reserve

figures below $400 million seemed to have been accepted as an aberration,

and they had not reflected themselves in a strengthening of short-term

rates.

In fact, the tendency had been for short-term rates to decline.

Dealers seemed able to finance their positions satisfactorily even with

holdings at peak levels, indicating that there was plenty of money

available.

In summary, Mr. Ellis felt it desirable to maintain the present

course of monetary policy.

If the Committee wanted to recognize the

continued hesitation in the pace of business activity, an indicative

change could be made in the first paragraph of the current economic

policy directive,. It would not seem appropriate to change the discount

rate at this time.

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Mr. Irons reported that the most recent statistics on Eleventh

District conditions were favorable.

While the pace of activity may not

have been completely up to earlier expectations, nevertheless there had

been improvement.

Retail trade statistics showed an advance from a year

ago, employment was generally satisfactory in the major labor market

areas, and the District industrial production index showed an increase

of about one percentage point in the latest period.

Construction

activity was very good, especially in major cities such as Houston and

Dallas, and the agricultural situation was favorable.

On the financial side, Mr. Irons said that District banks were

in a comfortable position.

Borrowing from the Reserve Bank was running

consistently under $1 million a day.

there had been some increase in

During the past three-week period

loans and in deposits,

including a strong

increase in time deposits.

The attitude of businessmen and others in the District was

generally good; they apparently were satisfied with the way conditions

were developing.

There seemed to be no real problems at the moment

except in the oil industry, where the problem was not cyclical in nature.

Mr.

Irons indicated that he was not too disturbed about the rate

of economic growth nationally.

In his opinion, credit had been sufficiently

easy to make it possible to meet any valid requirements.

Therefore, he

would favor a continuation of the policy of the past three weeks,

recognizing that there were some gyrations during that period.

This

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would envisage a bill rate around 2-3/4 per cent, with Federal funds

in the area of 2-3/4 to 3 per cent. While he would not be too much

concerned about the level of free reserves, he would contemplate a level

somewhere around $350 to $400 million.

Altogether, this would represent

continuation of a policy of adequate ease, at the same time giving

consideration to the rate problem in the light of international factors.

Mr. Swan reported that the situation was rather favorable in

Twelfth District.

the

On a seasonally adjusted basis, the unemployment rate

in the Pacific Coast States remained at 5.6 per cent in February despite

some lay-offs because of heavy rains that especially affected construction

employment and also housing starts.

Department store sales for the four

weeks ended March 17 showed a gain of 5 per cent, in

sharp contrast to

the 2 per cent decline for the country as a whole.

The rather substantial time deposit growth at Twelfth District

banks was continuing,

loan associations in

and there had been announcements by savings and

southern California of a dividend rate increase from

4.6 to 4.75 per cent, effective the first of April. How long associations

in northern California would hold the line at

of conjecture.

4.6

per cent was a matter

At the same time, the desire of banks and savings

institutions for mortgage loans appeared to have had the effect of easing

both mortgage rates and terms somewhat.

Real estate loans showed the

largest increase of any loan category at weekly reporting banks for the

three weeks ended March 14,

just as they did in the first three weeks of

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February.

Commercial and industrial loans showed only a modest increase

through March 14, and at that time the banks were not anticipating any

heavy borrowing over the tax date.

Banks had been in a fairly comfortable

reserve position over the past several weeks and had been net sellers

of Federal funds, which was a reversal of the situation that prevailed

in the latter part of 1961.

Borrowing from the Reserve Bank was nominal.

It seemed fairly clear, Mr. Swan said, that there was no great

vigor in the domestic situation at this time.

Certainly there were no

significant price pressures, and there was still unutilized capacity in

terms of both men and machines.

Also, it appeared that developments in

the international situation were at least temporarily in a more favorable

direction.

This seemed, therefore, to be a time when a little less

weight could be given to international considerations in relation to

domestic.

present.

ease.

Further, there were no inflationary winds to lean against at

Accordingly, he would favor continuation of a policy of monetary

While he would be satisfied with the current policy directive as

it stood, he did not feel that the recent reduction in free reserve

levels, with some increase in total borrowings of member banks, was

entirely consistent with the economic situation or with the directive.

He would prefer to see free reserves around $450 million, and if the

bill rate shaded a little below 2-3/4 per cent he would not be particularly

concerned.

He would not change the discount rate at this time.

Mr. Scanlon reported that economic information in the Seventh

District showed a mixed picture.

However, a number of points could be

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made with some certainty.

First, it was now clear that some of the

weakness early in the year was a reflection of bad weather conditions.

Second, despite some revival from January, the rate of business improvement

in the Midwest was slow.

Third, there had been a pronounced rise in

business loan demand since the end of January, although it was as yet

too early to determine whether this was more than a temporary development.

It now appeared, Mr. Scanlon said, that the steel operating

rate, nationally, would be slightly lower in March than in February.

In the Chicago area, however, the figures would be about even, while in

the Detroit area there might be a slight increase.

One producer had

indicated that present order trends indicate that steel output will

decline appreciably in April.

There had been no rush of orders following

the break in wage negotiations, and users of steel were achieving a

satisfactory inventory position faster than sales representatives had

anticipated.

Midwest firms seemed to be handling more defense work, as

reflected in contract awards, the gain having been much larger than for

the nation as a whole.

Department store sales in

the latest week were

relatively strong, particularly when allowance was made for the date of

Easter.

As late as last Friday, Mr.

Scanlon said, he had been prepared

to say at this meeting that the outlook for automobile sales for the

calendar year was rather clearly around 6.5 million, including imports,

rather than the 7 million total still

being quoted publicly.

However,

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figures for the second ten days of March showed a sales rate of 22,500

cars per selling day, ten per cent higher than any mid-March period

since 1955.

District banks were complaining of a slack business loan demand,

but outstanding loans at weekly reporting banks in

the District were

about $130 million higher than a year earlier, this increase being

somewhat larger than for the twelve months following the 1958 trough of

recession.

Business loan demand appeared to have been quite strong

recently, although analysis was complicated by the distortions caused

by the forthcoming Cook County personal property tax date.

Mr. Scanlon noted that in view of the relatively slow growth of

business activity thus far in 1962,

it

appeared that projections for

the calendar year should be revised downward moderately.

If any change

in System policy was in order--and he rather doubted it--he would feel

that the change should be in the direction of a slightly greater degree

of ease rather than the reverse.

As far as free reserves were concerned,

he would be inclined to favor slightly higher levels than in the past

few weeks.

He saw no need for a

change in the current policy directive

or in the discount rate.

Mr.

Clay commented that the data on the recent performance of

the domestic economy understandably had met with mixed reactions.

improvement over January's results was encouraging.

The

On the other hand,

the current performance of the economy generally did not appear to be

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very vigorous.

Whether substantial expansion of economic activity,

such as would be necessary for satisfactory employment and output, was

to take place in the months ahead seemed to depend primarily on two

sectors.

One was consumer spending,

other was business capital outlays.

notably on durable goods.

The

Consumer spending would need to

improve very materially in the weeks ahead if

it

was to make a major

contribution, and it was commonly recognized that the increase of 8 per

cent in the projected level of business capital outlays for 1962 fell

short of what was needed from that area.

be seen,

The actual results remained to

but there was reason to question whether actual outlays would

exceed projected outlays in the current state of the economy nearly so

readily as in the earlier business upswings following World War II, when

demands for goods were strong and capacity was more limited.

These reflections took on added importance when recognition was

given to the fact that the present unemployment ratio was derived on the

basis of a civilian labor force that had not grown over the past year.

That situation was not likely to continue.

Rather, it should be

expected that there would be substantial additions to the labor force

that would need to be absorbed.

The justification of a monetary policy designed to stimulate

economic expansion was readily apparent, Mr. Clay said.

Money and

capital markets already had responded to business and financial news by

adjusting interest rates downward.

This easing in the cost of credit

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and the implied improvement in

its

availability afforded the Committee

an opportunity to await further developments before deciding whether a

significant shift of policy was required.

The weeks immediately ahead

should clarify the performance of the economy, particularly that of the

consumer.

The Committee would then be in

a better position to judge, on

the basis of the pattern of economic activity and the performance of the

money and capital markets, whether any modification should be made in

the policy it had been pursuing.

Mr. Clay commented that the Committee would want to maintain an

appropriate relationship between the Treasury bill rate and comparable

interest rates abroad.

This presumably would fall within the range

previously determined by the Committee.

At present, it would not appear

necessary to push the Treasury bill rate to the upper limits of that

range, however.

In any case, the rate should not be maintained at a

level higher than necessary for international flow-of-funds considerations.

In keeping with the views he had expressed, Mr. Clay recommended

no change in the Reserve Bank discount rate.

He went on to say that the

possibility of needing to do more toward encouraging economic expansion,

rather than less, underscored the dilemna of the System relative to the

needs of the domestic economy and the international balance-of-payments

problem.

Further action to stimulate domestic activity inevitably would

involve a downward movement in the level of interest rates, and such

developments might accentuate the problem of dealing with the international

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flow of funds.

This potentially difficult and awkward situation placed

a high priority on efforts to comprehend fully and to solve the basic

issues that were involved in the international balance-of-payments

It

problem.

was to be hoped that every reasonable effort to deal with

these basic issues was being made by those authorities who were in a

position to do so.

if

It

would be interesting and helpful, he suggested,

the Open Market Committee could be given a comprehensive briefing,

beyond the scope of a public statement, as to what was being done to

deal with this problem.

Mr. Wayne reported that Fifth District business had continued to

show only slight improvement, as had been the case for several months.

This trend was evident in the statistics for February, when seasonally

adjusted bank debits, nonfarm employment, and manufacturing man-hours

advanced.

Manufacturers responding to the Reserve Bank's recent survey

reported new orders, shipments, employment,

or rising.

and hours generally stable

Retailers said that trade remained strong except when

adversely affected by the weather.

seemed the dominant sentiment.

Thus, restrained optimism still

A recent storm had caused extensive

damage to property along the coast, and this was expected to give some

additional impetus to employment in the affected areas.

Business loans at District weekly reporting banks continued

considerably weaker than for the nation as a whole.

These loans had

declined more so far this year than in any other recent year.

Real

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estate loans, however,

had been a little

stronger than usual, and all

other loans had conformed quite closely to the normal pattern.

District

banks were net sellers of Federal funds.

Turning to policy considerations, Mr. Wayne said he believed it

must be recognised, as a major consideration,

expansion since the first

that the rate of business

of the year had been less than satisfactory.

While some major indicators had moved up recently, others had moved

sideways or downward.

There was a possibility that activity generally

might top out uncomfortably near the present level and produce an

abortive or incomplete upswing.

While he would not favor any attempt

to force-feed the economy with excessive amounts of credit, it

was just

as important not to take any steps that might impede further expansion.

There might now be a little

more leeway in shaping policy to meet the

needs of the domestic economy since international pressures seemed to

have abated somewhat, at least for the present.

As a long-range goal,

he would suggest continuing the formula that allowed for a

growth in

4 per cent

total reserves against private deposits, seasonally adjusted.

As an immediate goal, he would favor keeping free reserves between $400

and $450 million rather than below that range.

the three-month bill

rate any higher than it

He would not like to see

had been recently; if

it

should decline by ten or fifteen basis point, he would not be concerned.

He believed this goal could be accomplished under the current economic

policy directive and therefore would like to see that directive renewed.

He would not favor any change in the discount rate.

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reviewing money market and other financial

developments for many months past, he concluded that Federal Reserve

System credit policy, by moving in a rut, had fallen into a trap, to

which the attention of the Committee must be directed.

For this purpose,

he presented the following statement:

In following a policy that has produced a high level of

free reserves over a long period of time, the Federal Open

Market Committee committed a serious blunder that is now show

ing up in a series of problems that will be difficult to solve

and could have been avoided if

the objectives of policy had

been confined to a fundamental responsibility of assuring

adequate credit availability. In oversupplying reserves, and

in that process forcing excessive liquidity into the economy,

the foundation has been laid for the development of future

inflationary difficulties whose correction can demand a

reversal of current monetary policy to one involving an undesir

able degree of credit restraint.

However, the most unfortunate aspect of current monetary

policy is that the declared purpose of holding the interest yield

on U. S. Treasury bills at a level intended to deter the transfer

of United States funds abroad has resulted in pegging Treasury

bill

rates at a set floor. As should have been learned from past

experience, a pegging operation in due course gives market

operators confidence in the permanence of an artificially

anchored and maintained interest rate structure that encourages

their relatively riskless speculation in U. S. Government

securities by "playing" a flattening interest rate curve extend

ing from the longer maturities back down to the pegged Treasury

bill

sector of the list.

Evidence of this kind of development

can be seen in the recent rapid rise and latterly abrupt fall

in the prices of U. S. Government securities and the speculative

growth in the positions of U. S. Government securities dealers.

To the extent that dealer positions become vulnerable, the

market will be exposed to a subsequent sharp break that would

be harmful both to the interests of the Federal Reserve System

and of the Treasury. The successive reductions in the discount

rate of the Bank of England have aggravated the situation still

more, in that corrective Federal Reserve System actions taken

now to absorb superfluous reserves would give the appearance of

a radical policy change toward credit restraint at a time when

the closer alignment of U. S. Treasury and United Kingdom

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Treasury bill

yields that has occurred suggests less need for

a defensive level of U. S. Treasury bill rates.

The embarrassing policy predicaments that have been

brought on by fostering a continuously high level of free

reserves which, in turn, developed into artificially pegging

U. S. Treasury bill rates, could have been avoided by policy

objectives geared solely to providing adequate credit avail

ability, in which everta somewhat firmer interest rate

structure would have automatically held U. S. Treasury bill

rates in a defensive balance-of-payments posture and any

assumed need of a pegging operation would have been obviated,

while at the same time sufficient scope for the expansion of

bank credit would have been permitted.

A goal setting a predetermined volume of reserves as a

measure for increasing the money supply in accordance with

growth in the gross national product may be partly to blame for

the present difficulties. This policy not only shares

responsibility for injecting excessive liquidity into the

economy, but has been conducted on the erroneous premise that

there must be close coordination between the rate of growth in

the money supply and that in the gross national product.

As a

matter of fact, the character of commercial bank loans and

investments, rather than their arithmetical total, is the

determinant of the influence of bank credit on the gross

national product. Where bank loans and investments are heavily

concentrated in long maturities, their influence in support of

the gross national product gradually wears out after their

initial impact, which is not true of short-term self

liquidating bank loans which, in the rapidity of their turnover,

give a constant and renewing dynamic support to the gross

national product.

A Federal Reserve System policy that pays

closer attention to encouraging more constructive commercial

bank lending and investing practices and less attention to the

purely arithmetical relationship between the money supply and

the gross national product is called for.

Irrespective of superficial inconsistency with previously

proclaimed Federal Reserve System policy objectives, solution of

the problems now existing requires that the level of free re

serves be set at a point that will foster a level of interest

rates that will serve to check the seemingly speculative move

In view of

ments in the prices of U. S. Government securities.

the liquidity positions of the commercial banks and their

consequent ability to shift from investments to loans, that

policy can be conducted without reducing the capacity of the

banks to extend loan credit or exerting any undue restraint

over the total expansion of bank credit. Such a policy will

also eliminate any assumed justification for pegging U. S.

Treasury bill

rates.

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Mr. Robertson expressed the view that although open market

operations during the past three weeks may have been in

accord with the

second paragraph of the current policy directive issued on March 6,

1962, they had been inconsistent with the first paragraph.

opinion, they exemplified almost a "bill

In his

rate only" policy, with

emphasis placed on the clause in the second paragraph of the directive

that called for taking account of the desirability of avoiding undue

downward pressures on short-term interest rates.

As a result, there

had been what he would consider a tight money market.

Also, there had

been a lack of expansion of the money supply, although the first

paragraph of the directive stated that one of the aims of the Committee

was to promote further expansion of the money supply.

There had been

some expansion of bank credit, but not enough to encourage the economy

to push upward.

In further explanation of his views, Mr. Robertson presented the

following statement:

The accumulation of economic evidence makes it clear that

we have experienced a distinct slowing in our rate of business

How serious this development may prove to be cannot

advance.

be judged by simple comparison with past experience, for never

before in the postwar period have we had a business expansion

which proceeded so far without being fueled by inflationary

The fact is undeniable, however, that substantial

expectations.

amounts of unutilized resources persist in our economy. With the

statistics on unused capacity and the absence of price pressures

both underlining the ability of the economy to produce additional

goods at prevailing prices, if demanded, I think we should con

sider some easing of our policy in the interest of counteracting

any possible further loss of economic momentum.

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The chief argument against any easing of policy at pre

vious meetings of the Committee has run in terms of holding

interest rates high in the hope of obtaining some marginal

alleviation of the short-term capital flows that were

The data since

aggravating our balance-of-payments deficit.

a

need ever

such

if

that

indicate

year

the

of

first

the

Our

urgent.

less

rendered

been

has

certainly

it

existed,

general balance-of-payments position appears improved, short

term capital movements appear to be shifting to a pattern more

favorable to our longer run interest, and interest rates abroad

have declined, exemplified most notably by the two successive

The circumstances, I believe,

cuts in the British Bank rate.

call for a reassessment of the balance of considerations in the

determination of monetary policy, with greater weight being

given to domestic as against international factors.

Banking figures indicate a continued increase in bank

credit after allowance for seasonal influences, but this in

crease has been facilitated almost entirely by an expansion of

time deposits. Money supply has shown no net gain for four

months. Statistics on other financial institutions and the

securities markets suggest a substantial amount of shifting

about in publicly-held liquid assets, and one cannot overlook

the possibility that some of these shifts may be masking an

underlying increase in private desires for saving and liquidity

relative to spending. I believe our operations should be con

ducted in a way which allows such shifts to take place with a

minimum of drag on economic activity. In particular, I do not

like to see all increase in the money supply sacrificed because

of the advance in time deposits and other near-monies.

Accordingly, I recommend that monetary policy during the

next three weeks be aimed at supplying sufficient reserves to

accommodate some increase in the money supply over and above the

reserves needed to support the growth in time deposits.

I should

judge that this would require aiming at a free reserve target

close to, or even above, the $450 million average of the three

weeks before our last meeting, in contrast to the $390 million

I would not be surprised if such

average of the latest period.

in the average

a policy were accompanied by some downward drift

and Federal funds, and in fact I think

rates on Treasury bills

a moderate rate movement of this kind might be judged to be in

keeping with our policy aims at the moment rather than something

to be resisted.

Monetary policy must be prepared to adjust flexibly to the

changing tide of circumstances, always recognizing that sub

sequent readjustments may be a possibility as events change or

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the effects of the change in policy begin to work through the

economy. I believe this is one of those occasions that calls

for a moderate but definite easing of policy.

Mr. Shepardson noted that, although a strong upswing was not

occurring, the staff report and the District reports made thus far

indicated that there was some continued economic expansion.

The

expansion was not as fast as projected or as fast as many people would

like.

Perhaps, however, it was occurring on a more healthy basis than

at many times in the past.

As mentioned by others at this meeting,

there were factors both in the international situation and in the

domestic situation that lay outside the province of monetary policy.

More and more people evidently were beginning to be aware of those

factors, which afforded some hope and encouragement.

He saw no evidence

that a lack of availability of credit was retarding the expansion or

that a greater availability of credit would accelerate the expansion.

Instead, it appeared to him that the pace of expansion would depend on

the resolving of factors that had not been faced in a number of years

but were in the foreground at the present time.

Mr. Shepardson expressed the opinion that recent open market

policy has been sound and adequate.

As he had indicated, he did not

feel that a policy of greater ease or an attempt to go further in building

up the active money supply was going to have any significant effect on

the inclination of persons at the present time to put their funds into

time rather than demand deposits.

Instead,

other things would influence

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Accordingly, he would favor continuation of the policy

that decision.

that had been followed during the past three weeks.

Mr. Mitchell said it

The first

two questions.

seemed to him the Committee was faced with

question was what monetary policy should do

in the current environment,

which was one of lagging expansion.

The

second question was what monetary policy could do to cause the economy

to perform more satisfactorily.

On the first

question, he thought it

was important for the Committee to take expansive action if

make such action effective.

it

could

Should the economy continue for very long

to perform as sluggishly as at present, there were going to be fiscal

policy actions that would be more drastic, and perhaps more disturbing

to the economy, than some more modest timely changes in monetary policy.

There could be public works spending, tax cuts, and a large deficit in

the public accounts.

The President even now was proposing a special

public works spending program and in his transmittal message noted that

the economy had not performed satisfactorily during the past two months.

In the circumstances,

do anything,

it appeared that the Federal Reserve, if it could

should be prepared to do it.

Turning to his second question, Mr. Mitchell commented that the

posture of the System for a long time had been one of confidence in

economic growth.

Monetary policy had been steady, rather than vacillating,

and he did not feel that the Committee should get far away from this

particular stance.

However, it might be possible to affect public

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psychology somewhat at this point by giving the impression that there

might be a period--perhaps not of too long a duration--in which long

term rates were going to be quite favorable.

In this manner, some people

might be encouraged to go ahead and make investment decisions.

To

accomplish this effect, free reserves might be allowed to rise rather

markedly and short-term rates might be permitted to sag.

Also, if some

reserves, as needed, were supplied by purchases in the longer term area,

this would add desirably to the pressure on long-term rates.

While he

was not sure that all this could be accomplished, he felt that the policy

goal at this juncture should be to try to condition users of capital

funds to seize this particular opportunity to go ahead with their

financing.

Personally, he would prefer to encourage rather than force

people to make investment decisions; it

was important to use every

available means of achieving satisfactory levels of growth and expansion

without starting an overhaul of the American economy.

On that basis,

he would suggest that the Committee change its stance ever so slightly

in order to give the impression that this was a good time for people on

the verge of investment to go ahead, that the opportunity might not last

too long, and that it might not be repeated soon.

Mr. Bopp reported that business was improving gradually in the

Third District, although in

behind the national average.

some categories it seemed to be falling

Unemployment was still declining slightly.

Production measures looked bad in February, but preliminary clues pointed

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to a good showing in March.

Department store sales were fairly good,

especially considering the later date of Easter this year.

hand, some indicators,

lagging in

On the other

after good starts in 1961, were now progressively

comparison with their national counterparts.

situation was quiet on the whole.

The banking

There had been a rather sharp increase

in business loans, which almost made up the decline earlier this year.

Mr. Bopp said that he would favor leaving monetary policy

essentially unchanged.

The mediocre progress of business argued against

any tightening at this time.

In his opinion, the bill rate and the

Federal funds rate might be somewhat lower than recently, with other

rates at about present levels, and free reserves might be in about the

same volume as in recent months, abstracting the recent inadvertent

decline.

He would not recommend changing the discount rate or the

current policy directive.

In short, he would associate himself closely

with the views expressed by Messrs. Swan, Scanlon, and Wayne.

Mr. Bryan said there did not seem to have been any recent

developments of particular significance in the Sixth District.

Poor

weather in other parts of the country had had a favorable effect on

vacation business in Florida.

Although there were complaints that

visitors were not spending too freely, nevertheless facilities were

fully occupied.

Like the nation, the District had been experiencing a

slowdown in the pace of economic expansion.

The economy was still

expanding, but at a much slower rate than earlier.

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Mr. Bryan said he found himself puzzled as to what was happening

in the American economy.

He had a suspicion that some basic factors

were operative at this point, involving fundamental shifts in the labor

market and in demands,

including the demand for housing, that were

going to have to work themselves out in millions of private decisions.

The question was what the Federal Reserve could do in such a situation.

It seemed to him that any attempt to stimulate the economy by means of

monetary policy would require large injections of reserves.

be danger, he thought,

There would

from the standpoint of the country's international

position and, to some extent, danger to the domestic economy in trying

to place upon monetary policy tasks that it

without creating inflationary expectations.

could not really perform

Thus, it seemed to him that

about all the System could do was essentially what it had been doing.

As to the supplying of reserves, he would like to take care of seasonal

factors and in addition make allowance for a modest growth factor.

At

recent meetings he had suggested that the growth factor be at an annual

rate nearer 3 per cent than

4 per cent, but he would be perfectly willing,

in view of the recent slowdown of business, to accept a 4 per cent growth

factor at this time.

He did not believe that this was a time to change

the discount rate.

Mr. Bryan said that he would like to associate himself with the

view expressed by Mr. Mills regarding the danger of pegging the low end

of the interest rate curve.

In his opinion, grave difficulties could

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be involved in

such a procedure.

He had been experiencing difficulty

in his own mind with respect to the apparently increasing emphasis on

interest rates within the Committee.

While he was not so much concerned

about that at this particular moment, he was concerned that at some

point the Committee might find itself

absorbing reserves released by

the economy in an effort to keep interest rates up when in fact rates

were easing because the economy was deteriorating.

Mr. Francis reported that the situation in the Eighth District

was much along the lines suggested by the reports from other districts.

The pattern was mixed, with some indicators up and others down.

the District, some sections were moving in

the opposite direction.

business activity in

Mr.

one direction and others in

In general, however,

it

might be said that

the District continued to show little

Balderston said he shared with Mr.

something fundamental was happening in

Within

change.

Bryan a feeling that

the economy.

This made it

difficult for the Committee to know what actions to take and how the

economy would respond to them.

Personal income was at an all-time record

high, 6.5 per cent above the peak reached in 1960.

trade continued to be below hopes and expectations.

must be an increasing propensity to save.

Nevertheless, retail

Clearly, then, there

In the face of the rapid build

up of savings and time deposits at commercial banks and mutual savings

banks, preliminary February data for savings and loan associations

indicated a net savings inflow some 3 per cent above a year ago.

The

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rapid increase in time and savings deposits at commercial banks, while

it undoubtedly had affected the build-up of funds in

other types of

financial institutions, had nevertheless been accompanied by increases

at both mutual savings banks and savings and loan associations.

Mr.

Balderston said he suspected that the structural changes

referred to by some persons during the discussion today would plague

the System for a long time,

in the sense that the economy would not

respond in the same way that it

When one thought in

did in previous postwar recovery periods.

terms of stimulating aggregate demand,

a question as to what form that stimulation might take.

this raised

Should there be

continued attempts to induce people to buy more appliances and durables,

when they already had a great many, or should the stimulation take the

form of inducements to fixed business investment of a kind that would

make more jobs?

There was a need, certainly, to make this country's

plants more efficient by the replacement of outdated equipment by new

and better machines.

Also, there was a need to meet in

some manner the

coming build-up in the labor force by providing more job opportunities.

His conclusion at the moment, Mr.

Balderston said, was that the

economy was faltering to the point that the Committee ought to return

to the 5 per cent total reserve growth line that it had followed through

the better part of 1961.

That would mean some increase in the level of

free reserves and a possible decline in

domestic situation became more clear.

the Treasury bill

rate until the

In short, he felt that a slight

increase in credit availability was indicated.

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Chairman Martin noted that the Committee had been hovering

between "slightly easier" and "slightly tighter" for several months.

His own thinking was that a policy of remaining steady in the boat

was about as good as could be found at the moment.

He would not be

against a slightly easier position, but felt that any such change

ought to be very slight.

In his opinion, an indication of apprehension

about the economy and an attempt to do something through monetary

policy would be self-defeating at this juncture, for a psychological

factor was involved.

It was possible, of course, that at some time

this country might face a confidence crisis.

This could occur because

of the balance-of-payments problem or, to put it more accurately, a

combination of a balance-of-payments problem and domestic economic

considerations, because in his opinion the two problems were completely

interrelated.

Problems of employment, economic growth, and the balance

of payments were all tied together.

As evidence, there was occurring

an outflow of capital from this country in the belief that opportunities

for investment in the European Common Market and in Australia offered

a better potential return than investments in the United States.

Putting the question in terms of what the System could do, in his

opinion the best thing it could do at the moment was to avoid giving

any impression of apprehension.

Actually, he felt that the Committee

probably was inclined to be a little too pessimistic this morning.

The Easter business was still going to be quite good, in his opinion,

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with some pickup in trade.

Further, he doubted that monetary policy

could be administered effectively by small and indecisive moves.

The Chairman noted that the Administration had already taken

one move by proposing a public works program.

While he agreed with

Mr. Mitchell that anything the System could do to prevent the necessity

for a large-scale move in

that direction would be desirable,

he did

not think that this could be prevented by inducing a slightly greater

degree of ease in the money market, when reports from areas all around

the country indicated there was already plenty of money and credit

available.

He could not recall a time when there had been less com

plaint about the availability of credit.

Chairman Martin suggested that Mr. Mills'

studied by the members of the Committee.

presentations of that kind.

statement be

It was helpful to have

Along this line, he felt that the

Committee should not overemphasize at any point the contribution

monetary policy could make.

In his opinion, if

the System maintained

a stable position at this time it could not be accused of restraining

the economy or of stimulating the economy too much, and that was the

best course he could suggest to meet the dilemma with which the Committee

was confronted.

Admittedly, there was a real dilemma.

If the budget

should get further out of balance as the result of a slowdown in

economic activity, Europeans would be looking on in a more skeptical

manner than heretofore.

As he had mentioned, there was already a flow

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of money to Australia and to the Common Market, and it was possible

that there could be a confidence crisis at some point.

What the

System could do at that juncture, he was not prepared to say.

point was clear, however.

One

At such a juncture, the System would have

to take some action of a drastic nature.

In the meantime, he did not

think that it was a good thing to borrow trouble.

It

appeared from the discussion this morning, Chairman Martin

said, that the question was one of following a slightly easier policy

or of maintaining the status quo.

have in mind anything drastic.

Certainly, the Committee did not

In recent weeks there had occurred

an inadvertent move toward lower free reserves than prevailed previously,

but interest rates nevertheless had tended to decline.

He would ques

tion whether it was accurate to say that the money market had been

tight when interest rates were going down in the face of System efforts

to discourage downward pressures on short-time rates.

was a matter of judgment.

However, that

There were a variety of forces operating

in the money market today that had not yet congealed and formed a

pattern.

Chairman Martin said he understood that the majority position

today would be to maintain the current economic policy directive in

essentially its present form.

Mr. Young, he noted, had a suggestion

for a minor change in the first paragraph of the directive in order to

recognize the modest nature of recent advances in the pace of economic

activity.

The Chairman then read this

possible change.

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Mr.

Mills indicated that he would like to have his dissent

recorded against the issuance of a directive in such form.

couplet" had so monotonous a rhythm that in

credit to the Committee.

his opinion it

The "poetic

did not do

His real concern, he said, was that recogni

tion was not being given to the problems that must be faced.

In his

judgment, there tended to be a lag in group perception of what needed

to be done.

When there finally was an awareness and action was taken,

a second lag ensued between the taking of action and the effectiveness

of it.

By drifting, therefore, the Committee would compound the dif

ficulties that must be faced.

Also, he felt that the Committee was tend

ing to place far too much emphasis on the efficacy of monetary policy

as an instrument for economic assistance.

He did not believe that

enough attention had been given to reading the scholars on cyclical

theory and those who had measured past cyclical movements.

There was

a real possibility, he thought, that the economy had not yet moved

to the bottom and experienced the turn in a major cycle.

Mr. Wayne raised the question whether the Committee wanted to

retain the clause in the last paragraph of the directive that called

for taking into account the desirability of avoiding undue downward

pressures on short-term interest rates, and the Chairman commented that

he thought this was a matter of judgment.

While the clause could be

stricken, the problem was one that in his view could not be ignored.

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There ensued further discussion of the directive in the light

of the suggestion that had been made by Mr. Young and the question

that had been raised by Mr. Wayne, following which Mr. Robertson said

he considered the whole directive questionable on the basis that its

intent was not clear.

the meeting,

If the Account Manager was not represented at

he doubted whether the Manager could determine from the

language of the directive what he was expected to do.

earlier, he (Mr.

As indicated

Robertson) felt there was a conflict between the

first and the second paragraphs of the directive.

If current policy

was merely aimed at permitting a further expansion of bank credit,

he doubted whether the second paragraph was needed.

After Chairman Martin had commented on the difficulties in

volved in composing a directive that was meaningful and served to

draw together in a reasonably satisfactory manner the views expressed

at a Committee meeting, Mr. Robertson inquired whether a majority of

the Committee members had not expressed themselves in favor of a

slightly easier monetary policy.

The Secretary, after checking his

understanding of the views of certain members, indicated that his

record showed a close division between those who would favor a

slightly easier policy and those who would favor essentially a

maintenance of the status quo.

Chairman Martin noted that, as he had mentioned earlier,

he would have no objection to a slightly easier policy.

His

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difficulty was that he did not know how one could measure effectively

"slightly easier" or"slightly tighter."

Mr.

Swan suggested that this might be related to the conditions

that the Committee had contemplated three weeks ago.

It

was his im

pression that the money market had gotten a little tighter in the

intervening period.

Chairman Martin inquired whether this view was not based on

statistical measurements.

In a sense it could be said that money

market conditions had been tighter, but actually interest rates had

been lower.

Mr. Stone commented that during the past week or ten days

conditions in the money market had been influenced by the situation

in Chicago in anticipation of the April 1 personal property tax date.

Yesterday morning, for example, one bank was holding $350 million of

bills

and carrying them largely through acquisitions of reserves

through the Federal funds market.

Other banks in

were undertaking this same kind of activity.

This accounted for a

Federal funds rate between 2-3/4 and 3 per cent,

half of the

member

total

bank borrowings

same time, there had been relatively little

market by other banks.

Chicago likewise

and approximately

were in Chicago.

selling of bills

At the

in the

They had not been so pressed for reserves

that they found it necessary to liquidate bills.

Apart from the

Chicago situation, he saw no evidence of tightness.

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Mr. Thomas suggested a different analysis.

The reserve

positions of not only the Chicago banks but also the New York banks

had been tight.

Bill rates had declined only because of special

demands, largely on the part of Chicago banks.

Those banks had been

complacent borrowers during this period, but that could not be

expected to continue.

Mr.

Robertson inquired of Mr. Stone whether the Desk had

aimed at free reserves of $360 million during the statement week ended

March 7.

Mr. Stone replied that the result had been inadvertent; the

Desk had thought that free reserves were going to average out over

$400 million.

In the most recent week it also had been anticipated

that they would average over $400 million. However, float did not

rise as much as anticipated and ran below the pattern of the past five

years.

Mr.

Thomas commented that the Desk did refrain, however, from

buying securities,

purposes,

at times when it

because the bill

might have bought them for reserve

rate was tending downward.

Therefore,

the

lower level of free reserves was not altogether inadvertent.

Chairman Martin noted that this involved a matter of judgment.

It involved an argument that could be debated continually.

whether anyone could sit

He doubted

at the Trading Desk and make measurements in

the terms that had been suggested.

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Mr. Stone said that for the past year and a half the Desk

had been faced with a problem in attempting to meet both of the

objectives of the Committee, as stated in the directive.

On most

occasions the objectives were not sharply or seriously in conflict,

but sometimes they were.

During the past three weeks there had been

a conflict because of the strength of the short-term market.

The

Account Management had thought that free reserves were going to

average over

$400 million in both of the statement weeks in which

the average turned out to be lower than $400 million.

There were

times when the Account Management might have bought a little

insurance.

On those occasions, however, the bill rate tended to be under down

ward pressure and the Management refrained.

In further discussion, Mr. Wayne suggested that the foregoing

comments pointed up the question that he raised earlier, that is,

whether the Committee wished to retain the portion of the directive

that called for avoiding undue downward pressures on short-term

interest rates.

There was definitely a degree of conflict, and the

Desk could only resolve it one way or the other.

If the thinking

on policy was in terms of a slightly greater degree of ease, this

would suggest placing more emphasis on putting reserves into the

market at the risk of having the bill rate drift lower.

Mr. Thomas noted that he had not intended to criticize the

operations of the Desk.

He thought that perhaps the course the Desk

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had followed was the only feasible one under the circumstances.

However,

there were days when the Desk could have bought securities

but did not buy because of regard for the bill rate.

Chairman Martin commented that one could turn to four or five

different experts in

a situation of this kind and come out with four

or five different opinions.

In operating the Account, the Desk was

dealing with close judgment values.

This touched on a point that he

had been endeavoring to make earlier: if the Committee was talking

about a substantially easier policy or a substantially tighter policy,

there was something the Desk could do.

However, when the Committee

talked about becoming slightly easier or slightly tighter, that was

a different matter.

Within the framework of the current directive,

he felt that the Desk had been doing about as good a job as could be

expected under present conditions.

The Chairman said that personally he would come out with the

thought of maintaining the status quo.

In his judgment, the Account

Manager, in following today's discussion, would say that the Committee

would like errors to be resolved on the side of ease rather than

tightness.

However, the Chairman added, he found it difficult to

know how to measure this in precise terms.

Mr. Mitchell then suggested making a change in the second

paragraph of the directive so as to refer to "avoiding sustained

downward pressures on short-term interest rates" rather than "avoid

ing undue downward pressures."

Another suggestion was to refer to

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maintaining a supplyof reserves adequate for further "credit and

monetary expansion" rather than further "credit expansion."

Likewise,

first

there was before the Committee the revised wording of the

paragraph that Mr.

Young had suggested earlier with a view

to recognizing the modest nature of recent advances in the pace of

economic activity.

Chairman Martin inquired whether any of the Committee mem

bers,

other than Mr. Mills,

would want to dissent from a directive

embodying these suggested changes, and there were no comments to

such effect.

The Chairman then turned to Mr. Stone and inquired whether

he had any comments,

to wnich Mr.

Stone replied in

the negative.

Accordingly, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York was authorized and directed until

otherwise directed by the Committee to

execute transactions for the System Open

Market Account in accordance with the following

current economic policy directive:

In view of the modest nature of recent advances in the

pace of economic activity and the continued underutilization

of resources, it remains the current policy of the Federal Open

Market Committee to promote further expansion of bank credit

and the money supply, while giving recognition to the country's

adverse balance of payments and the need to maintain a viable

international payments system.

To implement this policy, operations for the System Open

Market Account during the next three weeks shall be conducted

with a view to maintaining a supply of reserves adequate for

further credit and monetary expansion, taking account of the

desirability of avoiding sustained downward pressures on short

term interest rates.

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Votes for tis action: Messrs. Martin,

Balderston, Bryan, Ellis, Mitchell, Robertson,

Shepardson, Clay, Scanlon, and Treiber.

Vote

against this action:

All of those in

Mr. Mills.

attendance except the

members and alternate

members of the Open Market Committee, the Reserve Bank Presidents not

currently serving on the

Kenyon,

Committee,

Francis, Young, Sherman,

and Messrs.

Thomas, Coombs, and Stone withdrew from the meeting

at this

point.

Consideration was given at this time to System foreign

currency operations and related matters.

In

there had been distributed to the Open

this connection,

Market Committee a report from the Special

Manager of the System

and Treasury foreign currency

Account concerning

(a)

operations and (b)

foreign exchange market conditions

March 6- March 21,

1962,

period

in the

Open Market Account

along with a supplementary report for the

March 22 to March 26.

files

Also,

Copies of these reports have been placed

of the Committee.

in a memorandum dated March 23,

reported discussions with representatives

in

during the period

the Special Manager

1962,

of the

German Federal Bank

an effort to devise arrangements under which the Federal Reserve

System could earn interest on its

had not been successful in

mark balances.

These discussions

overcoming the obstacles created by the

System's inabillity to invest in

foreign Treasury bills,

the inability

of the Bundesbank to pay interest on deposit balances, and the

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unavalability of bankers'

German market.

However,

acceptances and commercial paper in the

the Bundesbank had now approached the

problem from another tack, that of voluntarily sacrificing interest

on its dollar holdings to compensate for the nonpayment of interest

on the System's mark balances.

The arrangement proposed by the

Bundesbank, as set forth in correspondence attached to the memorandum,

provided in essence for increasing the cash balance of that Bank at

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, thereby reducing the Bundesbank's

earnings from its dollar investments by an

amount equivalent to the

interest that the System could have earned by placing its mark

balances in German Treasury bills.

In comments supplementing his written reports to the Committee,

Mr. Coombs noted that the only System foreign currency transaction

since the Committee meeting on March 6, 1962, had been the purchase

from the Stabilization Fund on March 7 (value date March 8) of $25

million equivalent in German marks, as authorized by the Open Market

Committee on March 6.

million equivalent.

This brought System holdings of marks to $32

The purchase had been made promptly following

the authorization because it had appeared possible that the dollar

might weaken as against the mark.

Turning to the subject of his memorandum of March 23, Mr.

Coombs advised that discussions at Basle with officials of the German

Federal Bank regarding the investment of mark balances had not been

productive.

However,

a letter (dated March 1)

was subsequently

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received from the Bundesbank and suggested a procedure that rep

resented a voluntary gesture on its part.

In his view, the offer

should be accepted.

Mr.

Coombs added that the possibility of placing mark hold

ings of the Federal Reserve System with the Bank for International

Settlements had also been explored with the Bundesbank.

Bundesbank officials did not seem receptive,

However,

and he doubted whether

As to the Bundesbank's

that possibility shold

be pressed further.

offer, acceptance of it

would seem to offer protection against

criticism that could arise if

the System's holdings of marks earned

no interest while dollars held by the Bundesbank were invested in

interest-bearing securities.

The Bundesbank had been maintaining a

rather small cash balance at the New York Reserve Bank, running from

a minimum of $5 million to a maximum of $15 million.

It would propose,

in effect, to increase the cash balance to the extent required to

reduce interest earnings on dollars in an amount equivalent to offset

the loss of interest on the System's holdings of marks.

In response to questions, Mr. Coombs explained that the

situation that had led to the German offer involved difficulties on

both sides.

The difficulty on the Federal Reserve side stemmed from

the fact that under the law it was not authorized to invest foreign

exchange holdings in foreign Treasury bills.

The limitation on the

German side was that under German statutes the Bundesbank was unable

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to offer the System the facilities of a time deposit.

was i

possible to locate commercial paper or bankers'

the German market.

into the

Further,

it

acceptances in

The Bundesbank welcomed the entry of the System

area of foreign exchange operations and presumably was

anxious to do everything

possible with a view to having such

operations continued.

Intial

comments of several members of the

committee were to

the effect that this would seem to be a proposition under which the

Federal Reserve had everything to gain and nothing to lose, and.

Chairman Martin expressed the view that acceptance of the offer would

seem to make for a sounder

business arrangement from the System's

standpoint.

Mr.

Mitche 1l injected a somewhat different note, however,

asking whether the System might not be on better ground if

it

did not

accept the proposal and instead went to Congress with a request for

legislation authorizing

the investment of System foreign exchange

holdings in foreign Treasury bills.

Reserve was not engaging in

Purpose of making money.

He pointed

out that the Federal

foreign currency operations for the

While the present situation was somewhat

unsatisfactory from the System's standpoint,

he would feel more

comfortable about accepting the facts as they were and taking the

position that this was an item on which the System could use legis

lation advantageously.

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Asked further with regard to the origin of the proposal,

Mr.

Coombs repeated that it was a voluntary suggestion on the part

of the Bundesbank.

Mr. Robertson inquired whether the System

subject to criticism, should it

marks,

might not be

build up further holdings of German

on the basis that the Bundesbank had influenced the System

by agreeing to hold an equivalent amount of dollars without invest

ing them.

The System's objective in conducting foreign currency

operations was not to obtain earnings; it

tions even if

would conduct such opera

investment opportunities were not available.

It was

his instinctive feeling that the System might be better off if it

did not accept any gift.

In response to a question about the possibility of holding

mark balances with the Bank for International Settlements, Mr. Coombs

said that officials of the German Federal Bank had been quite ex

plicit in indicating that they would not want a third party involved

in the arrangement between the Bank and the Federal Reserve.

This

attitude, he thought, may have reflected in part considerations of

confidentiality and in part considerations of speed.

It might take

longer to work through the Bank for International Settlements.

Mr. Ellis commented that it would not seem well to cast aside

lightly the fact that acceptance of the German offer would reduce an

interest cost to the U. S. Government.

Rather than looking with favor

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on expanding the opportunity for the System to invest its balances,

the Congress might be critical

that had resulted in

therefore,

it

of the System for operating in

a net loss of interest.

would be desirable,

In

a way

his opinion,

from that standpoint,

not to turn

down this proposed arrangement.

reply to a question from Mr.

In

Ellis,

Mr.

reasons why he did not anticipate that acceptance

offer

would be likely to establish a

in

German

the

For example,

there were

the United Kingdom, while

the Bank

and the Bank of Italy could pay interest on time deposits.

of France

Further,

of

pattern for relationships

with central banks of other countries.

ample investment facilities

Coombs cited

institutional

banks were so

differences between the various central

great that he doubted whether there would be the

possibility of any pattern developing.

In

further discussion, Mr.

Mitchell inquired whether it

seemed necessary for the matter to be settled today,

referred to the March 14 date of the letter

Mr.

satisfied if

Mitchell

and Mr.

Coombs

from the Bundesbank.

then indicated that he would have been better

the memorandum from the Special Manager had been worded

a little differently, so as to place the matter simply on the basis

that the proposed arrangement would put the Federal Rueserve on an

identical basis with the

Bundesbank and that it

would be necessary

to change the law if the Federal Reserve wanted to retain interest

on its mark balances.

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At this point Chairman Martin withdrew from the meeting.

As the discussion continued,

Coombs made the observation

Mr.

that he did not think one could look forward to a system that would

equalize the interest

yields on central banks'

other's currency.

arrangement with the Bank of France was a

The

swap arrangement; it

did

cirrency.

interest

Parity of

not involve an

holdings of each

outright holding of

rates between the two central banks

involved would be approriate in the case of a swap.

to outright holdings,

Mr.

a foreign

When it

came

the situation might be different.

Treiber then moved that the proposal of the German

Federal Bank be accepted,

In

discussion of

instinctively he felt

it

and this motion was seconded by Mr. Mills.

the moton, Mr.

Robertson commented that

might be inadvisable to accept the proposal.

He was not suree enough of his position to vote against the motion,

a feeling that this was not a good thing to accept.

but he had

really amounted to accepting a gift,

It

and he disliked the appearance

that would be created.

Mr. Treiber said that when he first

reaction

as somethin g like that of Mr.

giving further thought to the matter,

heard of the proposal his

Robertson.

However,

he concluded that this

after

was a

part of the framework of international cooperation.

Mr.

Balderston said that he had had somewhat the same feeling.

He had been attracted to the possibility of using

the Bank for

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International Settlements, but that approach did not meet with favor.

Therefore, he would accept this proposal.

Thereupon, the motion to accept the

proposal of the German Federal Bank was

approved unanimously.

Mr.

Mitchell commented that,

although not dissenting,

he

would like to reserve the right to insert a statement for the record.

Secretary's note:

Mr. Mitchell

subsequently submitted the following

statement:

There appears to be a confusion of principles in

mittee's discussion of the

the Com

German Federal Bank arrangement.

Monetary

policy decisions clearly should not rest upon consideration of

profitability

to the central bank.

dealings

in the U. S.

buy or sell

rest

This is

well recognized in the

Government securities market when decisions to

upon the need or lack of need for reserves and not

on whether

the purchase

or sale is

likely to add, to Federal Reserve

earnings.

The principle involved in the agreements between the

Federal Reserve System and foreign central banks is

relationship prevail.

that a pari passu

Thus the earning of interest is immaterial so

long as both parties are similarly circumstanced.

But the artificial

arrangement suggested, which results in creating and at the same time

sterilizing reciprocal assets and liabilities,

is

an operation difficult

to justify in a public policy record.

Mr. Coombs then reported on discussions with representatives

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of the Bank of England regarding the possibility of a swap arrange

ment between the Federal Reserve and that Bank.

was guardedly sympathetic,

The initial reception

he said, with an indication that a

spelling out of the details was wanted.

The suggestion made to the

Bank of England was generally in terms of an arrangement similar

to the recent swap arrangement with the Bank of France.

One idea

that had been mentioned was an immediate swap of $50 million, with

the possibility of later going as high as $250-$300 million.

After commenting further on the conversations with officials

of the Bank of England, Mr.

Coombs said he hoped that it would be

possible to place some definite proposition

before the Open Market

Committee for consideration in the relatively near future, perhaps

prior to the next Comiiittee meeting.

After responding to several questions,

in reply to an inquiry from Mr.

Mr. Coombs indicated,

Balderston, that the immediate

question was whether the Committee wished to authorize further

negotiations with the Bank of England with a view to shaping up a

specific proposal.

As to amount, he sugguested that the Committee

might want to have in mind a limit on swap facilities of $300 million.

It would perhaps be desirable, if

a swap arrangement could be worked

out, to put in $50 million fairly soon, as an indication that the

swap facility was available.

He would be inclined to suggest

staying at $50 million unless and until some

different situation

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developed than now prevailed.

In effect, this would amount to a

line of credit of an additional $250 million.

Accordingly, Mr.

Balderston inquired whether it

was the desire

of the Committee to authorize further negotiations along the lines

that Mr. Coombs had indicated.

Mr.

Robertson said he would have no objection to further

negotiations.

However, he would not want this to be regarded as

implying that he would necessarily vote in

favor of any proposal

that might develop out of such negotiations.

Mr . Young gave assurance that after further negotiations

the matter would be brought back to the Committee

for consideration,

and that the Committee would be kept up to date.

Thereupon, subject to the foregoing under

standing, Messrs. Young and Coombs were authorized

to proceed with negotiations looking toward the

possibility of a swap arrangement with the Bank of

England.

On the theory of System foreign exchange operations, Mr.

Mitchell raised a question about engaging in

operations that might

contribute to supporting currencies other than the dollar.

Mr.

in

Mills commented that he thought this had been implicit

the approval of the program.

Where the Federal Reservewas

obtaining support of the dollar through swap arrangements

inescapable

an

be

to

seem

would

there

banks,

central

foreign

other

responsibility

reciprocate.

to

with

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Mr.

this

Wayne said

that he thought the Committe had been over

ground rather thoroughly

System foreign currency

operations.

speculative movements.

was considering a

As he recalled, it

program of

had been

two-way street and that the System would

understood that this was a

expect to participate in

when it

efforts directed toward trying to cushion

It

would provide assistance in

order to

enable the country affected to develop other defensive tactics.

Mr. Balderston indicated that his understanding was essentially

the same.

He thought that the System program had to be looked at as

a two-way affair.

Mr.

Shepardson said it had been his understanding that the

thought was to meet temporary exchange rate fluctuations related to

speculative movements.

He also thought, however, that it was not

contemplated that System operations would be used to counteract a

fundamental change in the position of any particular currency.

Mr. Coombs agreed, saying that it was his thinking that System

operations would be in terms of providing cushioning facilities to

keep speculation from snowballing.

other measures would be required.

If

a situation did snowball,

The hope would be to forestall

such a snowballing.

At the instance of Mr. Mitchell, a brief discussion was

devoted to the contemplated scope of the minute record relating to

Committee discussions of System foreign exchange operations.

The

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view expressed by

Mr.

Mitchell was to the effect that despite the

highly confidential aspects of some phases of such

should be

operations there

a sufficient record and the positions of Committee members

on important

issues should be reflected adequately.

From the comments made, there appeared to be general agree

ment with the view that actions of the Committee, and the positions

of Committee

members with respect thereto, should be suitably recorded

in the minutes.

cussions

Atthe same time, the subject matter of the dis

was often likely to be such that the minutes would merit

careful scrutiny by the Committee.

With this in mind, it was

sugested that the distribution of preliminary drafts of minutes

covering those portions of Committee meetings devoted to considera

tion of foreign exchange operations might

be restricted to the members

and alternate members of the Commmittee, other Reserve Bank Presidents,

and those members of the staff participating in such discussions.

The preliminary draft could then be reviewed closely by this group

and such corrections suggested

as might seen appropriate prior to

the preparation of the revised draft.

In comparison with the possible

alternative of preparing two separate sets of minutes, one of which

would be for limited distribution, a number of advantages in the

suggested procedure were mentioned.

Mr. Balderston inquired whether an approach such as suggested

would appear

generally satisfactory to the Committee, and there were

no comments to the contrary.

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The meeting then recessed and reconvened at 2:00 p.m. with the

same attendance as at the conclusion of the morning session except

that Mr. Mitchell was not present.

Mr.

Coombs continued his presentation to the Committe by

commenting on discussions with officials of the Swiss National Bank,

at the time of the recent meeting of the Bank for International

Settlements in Basle, with regard to the possibility of a swap

arrangement between the Federal Reserve and the National Bank.

As preface, he pointed out that the current plan for enlarging the

standby resources of the International Monetary Fund did not include

Switzerland, which was not a member of the Fund.

In this circumstance,

the Swiss had been invited to associate themselves in some kind of

parallel arrangement,

and both they and the U. S. Treasury had come

to look with favor on a bilateral credit arrangement.

While this

might have been on a Treasury-to-Treasury basis, the Swiss had ex

pressed a preference some time ago for a swap arrangement between

the Swiss National Bank and the Federal Reserve System.

However,

it

now appeared that the management of the National Bank had found

it

necessary to go to the Government for clarification.

Such dis

cussions were understood to be currently in process, but it seemed

possible that weeks or possibly months might elapse before negotiations

looking toward a dollar-Swiss franc swap arrangement could begin.

Even then, it

apparently would require real effort to bring about

the best possible operation.

would be worthwhile.

Nevertheless,

he felt that the effort

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After further discussion, Mr. Balderston said he assumed

that Mr. Coombs would keep the Committee informed of any developments,

and Mr. Coombs responded in the affirmative.

At this point Chairman Martin and Mr. Mitchell joined the

meeting.

Mr. Coombs next reported on operations of the Treasury's

Stabilization Fund during the period since the

the Open Market Committee.

March 6 meeting of

In this connection, he noted that last

week there had been a tendency for the dollar to weaken rather

sharply as against the German mark, mainly because of a tax date

in Germany.

According to German procedure, tax money was taken in

and sterilized temporarily,

and to meet liquidity needs the German

banks repatriated funds from abroad.

expected to exist only until around

circumstance,

This was a temporary situation,

the end of this month.

In this

a total of $7.5 million of Stabilization Fund holdings

of marks were sold by the Stabilization Fund in the market, and this

had proved effective in preventing the dollar rate from slipping further.

These operations were undertaken primarily in light of the temporary

circumstances reflecting a foreign money market situation, but in

addition the news of t he gold buying pool (discussed subsequently at

this meeting) had broken and the U. S. Treasury wanted to avoid any

indication of a deterioration of the position of the dollar.

In

addition, this week's statement would show a rather sizable reduction

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of

the U. S.

gold stock.

There might,

therefore,

be continuing

sales of marks by the Treasury during the remainder of this week.

Mr.

Coombs then raised the question whether the Open Market

Committee would regard it

as an appropriate activity for the System

to employ its

holdings of a foreign currency to offset a temporary

weakening in

the position of the dollar under circumstances such as

he had described.

Initial

expressions by several members of the Committee

indicated that,

according to their understanding,

this was the kind

of operation that was envisaged under the System program.

Accordingly,

Mr.

Coombs aked whether the Committee would

wish to authorize him to utilize System holdings of German marks,

in

the course of this week

say

in anticipation that the weakness of the

dollar against the mark would correct itself

shortly after the end

of this month.

Mr.

Swan inquired whether there appeared to be some possibil

ity of the current situation

giving rise to further speculation.

Although realizing that this innvolved a question of judgment, he

presumed Mr. Coombs felt that there might be some danger of the

situation being compounded.

Absent such a possibility, he wondered

whether the System should try to smooth out temporary, short-run

exchange rate fluctuations of this kind.

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Mr. Mitchell said he would like to

He thought it

ndorse that position.

important that the System not engage in straighten

ing out various short-run moves of this kind unless there was

reason to believe that they might touch off some other development.

In reply, Mr. Coombs said that, with the exchanges in a

sensitive state, he could not predict what the reaction might be to

a significant depreciation of the dollar as against the German mark.

In view of the many existing uncertainties, including the possible

reaction to announcement of a relatively large U. S. gold loss this

week, he would be inclined to seek a little

protction in the form

of keeping the dollar from going too low as against the mark.

Mr. Wayne inquired whether, from the standpoint of Committee

procedure, this situation could not be compared to the situation in

the domestic area where the Committee gave a general instruction to

the Manager of the System Open Market Account and relied upon his

judgment of the feel of the market.

Chairman Martin expressed the view that in the current ex

perimental stage of foreign currency operations,

the Special Manager

should proceed in a situation of this kind on the basis of his best

judgment.

Afterward, the operations could be evaluated, but he felt

that, at this juncture the Committee must rely substantially on the

judgment of the Special Manager.

In further discussion, Mr. Coombs indicated that he was

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inclined to feel that in this particular situation the movement of

the exchange rate was of some importance.

of the British bank rate,

ships would be.

to think that it

mark.

no one knew exactly

That circumstance,

announcement of a loss in

was

With the recent reduction

what the new relation

combined with the prospective

gold stock, would incline him on balance

the dollar

suport

to

idea

agood

against the

The greater the degree of uncertainty in the market,

stronger would be the case for moving in

the

to check any weakening of

the dollar.

Chairman Martin again expressed the view that this was the

kind of decision that the Committee ought to leave to the discretion

of the Special Manager at this juncture of the System foreign exchange

program.

Thereupon, the Special Manager was

authorized to proceed, in the light of

market developments, to make such sales

of System holdings of German marks as in

his judgment might seem appropriate.

There had been distributed to the Committee copies of a

translation of an article titled "A New American Proposal:

A Pool

for Gold Purchases in London" that a appeared in the Journal de Geneve

of March 8, 1962.

The article noted that in

the latter part of

1961 a pool of banks of issue was created with the aim of supply

ing the London market wi.th gold and that the pool's operations were

suspended after it had proven its effectiveness in stabilizing the

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market.

According to the article, the American authorities had

now proposed to other central banks the establishment of a pool

for the purchase of gold in

London.

Mr.

Coombs commented on these

articles and related matters.

In a discussion based on the information reported by Mr.

Coombs,

Mr.

Bryan referred to a suggestion made at this morning's

session by Mr.

ful if

Clay, which was to the effect that it

would seem

help

the Open Market Committee could have as much information as

possible on various steps being undertaken by the United States

Government to cope with the balance-of-payments problem.

Chairman Martin commented that perhaps something of that

kind could be obtained from the Treasury.

He doubted, however,

whether there was too much to report beyond what had been carried

in the press.

The nature of the various undertakings had been

fairly well spelled out in

the press; the question was how effective

they would be.

After further general discussion relating to the balance of

payments,

the meeting of the Open Market Committee recessed and

there ensued a meeting of the Board of Governors with the Presidents

of the Federal Reserve Banks.

At the conclusion of that meeting,

Chairman Martin noted that

some consideration had been given recently by the Board of Governors

to the possible desirability of publishing verbatim the minutes of

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the Open Market Committee for a period beginning around 1950 and

continuing until some

fairly recent date.

He indicated some of the

reasons that had caused the question to be brought up for discussion

and stated that the subject would be placed on the agenda for con

sideration at the next meeting of the Open Market Committee.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Federal Open

Market Committee would be held on Tuesday, April 17, 1962.

The meeting then adjourned.

Secretary

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1962, March 26). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19620327
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19620327,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1962},
  month = {Mar},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19620327},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}