fomc minutes · April 16, 1962

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in the

offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in

Washington on Tuesday, April 17, 1962, at 10:00 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Bryan

Deming

Mr. Ellis

Mr. Fulton

Mr. King

Mr. Mills

Mr. Mitchell

Mr. Robertson

Mr. Shepardson

Messrs. Bopp, Scanlon, Clay, and Irons, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Mr.

Swan,

President of the Federal Reserve Bank

of San Francisco

Mr.

Sherman,

Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hexter, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Thomas, Economist

Mr. Reed, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York

Messrs. Heflin and Francis, First Vice Presi

dents of the Federal Reserve Banks of

Richmond and St. Louis, respectively

At its meeting on February 13, 1962, the Federal Open Market

Committee adopted an authorization for foreign currency operations that

provided, among other things, for a Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account for foreign currency operations to be selected in accordance

with the established procedure for selection of the Account Manager.

At

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the same meeting, reference was made to the provisions of the Committee's

By-Laws and Rules of Organization regarding selection of the Manager.

In a memorandum to the Comittee dated February 23, 1962, Chairman

Martin pointed out that, since the new position of Special Manager had been

authorized, the Committee's By-Laws and Rules of Organization should be

amended to provide for the Special Manager as well as the Manager.

The

memorandumalso suggested that the Committee might wish to consider a change

The

in the method of selection of the Manager and the Special Manager.

By-Laws and Rules of Organization provided that the Reserve Bank selected

to execute transactions for the Open Market Account should select a Manager

of the Account who would be satisfactory to the Committee.

It was sug

gested that consideration might be given to changing Section 5 of

Article II of the By-Laws (with a conforming change in the Rules) so as

to provide that the Committee would select a Manager of the System Open

Market Account and a Special Manager for foreign currency operations for

such Account, both of whom would be satisfactory to the Federal Reserve

Bank selected to execute transactions for the Account.

Discussion of this matter was deferred at the Committee meeting

on March 6, 1962, in order that Chairman Reed of the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York might meet with the Committee and express his views.

It was

understood at that time that Chairman Reed would intend to be present

for discussion with the Committee at its meeting on April 17, 1962.

Under date of March 23, 1962, Mr. Hayes transmitted to the Commit

tee a memorandum recording his views concerning the proposal for a change

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in the method of selection of the Manager and Special Manager.

Reasons

cited by Mr. Hayes for opposing the proposed change in procedure were:

(1) the transfer to the Federal Open Market Committee of the initiative

for the selection of the Manager and Special Manager would tend to obscure

the institutional responsibility of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

for carrying out the policies of the Committee; (2) such transfer of

initiative would tend to erode the statutory authority of the Board of

Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York in respect to the

appointment of officers and the assignment of their duties; and (3)

such transfer of initiative would, actually or potentially, create

personnel problems for the Bank.

Under date of April 11, 1962, there was transmitted to the Commit

tee, at Chairman Martin's request, a memorandum dated April 3, 1962, that

had been submitted to him by Mr. Hackley, General Counsel of the Open

Market Committee.

This memorandum cited certain legal considerations

that should be borne in mind with regard to the method of selection of

the Manager and Special Manager, and in light of those considerations

and Mr. Hayes' memorandum, discussed arguments for and against the pro

posed change in method of selection.

In a memorandumto the Committee dated April 9, 1962, Mr. Hackley

reported having reviewed the Committee's published general Regulation,

its published Rules on Organization and Information and Rules on Procedure,

and its unpublished By-Laws, all most recently amended in 1955, to deter

mine what conforming changes,

if

any, were necessary as a minimum in light

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of the Committee's authorization dated February 13, 1962, regarding

foreign currency operations.

As to the Regulation,

that any changes were essential.

it

did not appear

As to the Rules on Organization and

Information, the Rules on Procedure, and the By-Laws, certain minor

changes seemed necessary.

Recommended amendments were submitted with

the memorandum along with certain other minor amendments that would bring

the Rules and By-Laws into conformity with current Committee practices.

To some degree,

it

was pointed out, the nature of the changes would

depend upon the Committee's decision as to the method of selection of

the Manager and Special Manager, in the light of Chairman Martin's

memorandum of February 23, 1962.

In introductory remarks, Chairman Martin noted that the Open

Market Committee's Ad Hoc Subcommittee on the Government Securities

Market in its report of November 12, 1952, had suggested, without pro

posing such a shift, that consideration be given by the Open Market

Committee to an arrangement under which the Account Manager would not

be an officer of any Federal Reserve Bank, but instead would be appointed

by and solely responsible to the Committee.

Chairman Martin then turned

to Chairman Reed and indicated that the Committee would be pleased to

have his views regarding the current proposal, as stated in his (Chair

man Martin's) memorandum of February 23, 1962, which was that the Manager

and Special Manager be selected by the Open Market Committee,

subject to

their being satisfactory to the Reserve Bank selected to execute transactions

for the Open Market Account.

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Chairman Reed indicated that he would not propose to repeat the

arguments set forth in Mr. Hayes' memrandum, which he felt personally

were persuasive, if

not compelling.

Instead, his approach would be to

supplement the memorandum from the point of view of a person in his

position who believed deeply in the importance of the Federal Reserve

System.

For almost 50 years, the System had demonstrated the value of

a unique blending of public and private, central and regional.

Histor

ically, there had been a tendency in government for a system of that

kind to be sucked toward the center.

Therefore, it

would be advisable

to look carefully at any suggested change that might weaken the regional

aspects of the Federal Reserve System.

Chairman Reed recalled that at the most recent meeting of the

Conference of Chairmen of the Federal Reserve Banks there was discussion

of recommendations of the Commission on Money and Credit with respect

to the Federal Reserve System.

Among other things, the Commission had

recommended that the Reserve Bank Presidents no longer have responsi

bility in the formulation of open market policy, and that the Reserve

Banks no longer participate in the establishment of the discount rate

or in the designation of members of the Federal Advisory Council.

It

was the view of the Chairmen and Deputy Chairmen in attendance that

if

such changes became effective, one of the great values of the

Federal Reserve System over the years would be impaired to a substantial

degree.

It was felt that the Federal Reserve System was not well

enough understood by the American people.

Part of the job of the System

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was to assure that everything possible was done to broaden and deepen

public understanding of the System throughout the country.

The Board

of Governors had done some excellent work in that regard, but the

Federal Reserve Banks and branches, working through their directors

and officers, had perhaps even greater leverage on the informational

front.

If

anything should happen to weaken the status of the regional

banks, that would be a step in the wrong direction.

The Reserve Banks

would begin to lose competent executives and be unable to attract community

leaders to their boards of directors.

It was against that background, Chairman Reed continued, that

he approached the question at hand.

Anything that was done to weaken

the prestige, standing, or importance of any of the Reserve Banks called

for the best kind of reasons.

suggested a change.

The burden of proof was on those who

The proposed change in procedure for selection of

the Manager and Special Manager of the System Open Market Account was

not a matter of substance.

Anyone chosen for either of those positions

must be thoroughly satisfactory to the Open Market Committee as well as

to the Reserve Bank.

The New York Bank, assuming that it was chosen as

the Reserve Bank to execute transactions for the Open Market Account,

obviously must be satisfied with the persons who were going to be Manager

and Special Manager of the Account.

Committee must be satisfied.

At the same time, the Open Market

In his judgment, however,

a change of

procedure that would take away from the New York Bank and its Board of

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Directors the present right to designate the officer of the Bank who

would be Manager or Special Manager, subject to the complete approval

of the Committee, would be a change in the direction of reducing the

status of the Reserve Bank.

He did not think that such a change was

necessary,

Chairman Reed reiterated that he could see no disagreement in

substance.

In effect,

the appointment of a Manager or Special Manager

was a joint appointment.

If

it

were so expressed,

difficulty on the part of the New York Bank.

he would not see any

However,

if

the present

procedure was turned around and the New York directors were given only

a veto power, not only would this accomplish nothing of substance but

it

would represent a diminution of the status and importance of the

Reserve Bank.

If any other Reserve Banks were affected in the same

manner, he would feel exactly the same way.

Asked regarding his concept of the primary responsibility of

the Account Manager, Chairman Reed replied that he thought of the Manager

as an officer of the Open Market Committee, and certainly the Manager

was an officer of the New York Bank.

The Manager had a responsibility

in both directions, but it was hard to think of him as an individual

standing quite apart from the New York Bank.

facilities, personnel,

The Manager required the

and research of the Bank to do his job.

He

(Chairman Reed) would prefer to think of the Committee as placing respon

sibility not in one individual but in an institution.

The President of

the Bank was also a member of the Open Market Committee, and the Account

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Manager likewise had to wear two hats, for he had a divided responsibility.

His policy direction came from the Open Market Committee.

In terms of

doing a good job of execution, his responsibility was to both the Committee

and the Reserve Bank, the latter having been selected as the institution

to get the job done.

If

The Manager should be backed up by good facilities.

he was not, the Reserve Bank was at fault.

Question was raised whether it

as though the Open Market Committee,

might not appear to an observer

in selecting a Reserve Bank to

execute transactions for the Open Market Account and turning over to

that Bank's directors the task of selecting a Manager of the Account, had

created an opportunity, at least, for misuse of information.

To this,

Chairman Reed replied that the directors of the New York Bank understood

completely that they were not entitled to receive,

and would not receive,

knowledge of the policy discussions and directives of the Open Market

Committee or knowledge of the day-to-day activities of the Account

Manager in implementing those directives.

They received reports after

the fact and went through the form of ratification.

Sometimes, in the

case of new directors, there had been a few questions on their part.

Once the situation was explained to them, however,

perfectly.

they understood it

He was not familiar with any instance in which there had

been a slip on the part of the Manager in advising a member of the

Board of Directors of things about which the latter should not know.

If

the question that had been put to him were carried to an extreme,

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Chairman Reed noted, it

would be necessary to go such further than the

current suggestion for changing the method of selection of the Manager

and Special Manager.

It would be necessary to lift

of the Open Market Account out of the Reserve Bank.

the whole operation

This would require

an additional apparatus without adding to the quality of the operation.

Chairman Martin said he wished to make it

clear that he had been

the one who proposed the change in method of selection.

He was in

complete agreement with everything Chairman Reed had said concerning the

importance of the regional structure of the Federal Reserve System.

He

also agreed that the question at hand was one of form and not of substance.

However, he felt that the form was wrong under the present arrangement.

Chairman Martin noted that at one time the Open Market Committee

operated with an executive

committee, but a change was made so as to have

all of the Reserve Bank Presidents participate in every meeting of the

Committee.

Along with this evolution, attention had been directed to the

method of selection of the Account Manager and the question of the

Manager's primary responsibility.

He (Chairman Martin) did not feel

that the proposed change in method of selection would impair the institu

tional responsibility of the New York Bank or in any way impugn the

activities of the directors of that Bank.

however,

It

ought to be made clear,

that the Committee could select an individual from any of the

Reserve Banks,

or in fact from anywhere in the United States, rather

than from the New York Bank alone.

On that point, also,

was no disagreement between Chairman Reed and himself.

he felt there

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would be much better if

that the form

the Comittee selected the Manager and Special

Manager, subject to their being satisfactory to the Reserve Bank selected

to execute transactions for the Open Market Account.

All of the Reserve

Banks ought to be equals in the matter of selection; the fact that one

of the Banks was located in New York City was,

relatively unimportant consideration.

in his judgment, a

As Chairman Reed had indicated,

this was a matter of form and not of substance, but it

should be resolved

one way or the other.

Chairman Martin then indicated that he would call for expressions

of views around the table, and he turned first to Mr. Hayes.

Mr. Hayes said that in terms of substance, he did not see that

any real difference of opinion existed.

He would subscribe to what had

been said about the necessity for everyone on the Committee and at the

New York Bank to be satisfied with the men selected as Manager and

Special Manager.

Furthermore, he would regard the whole field as being

open for the selection.

If the other Reserve Banks or an outside source

produced a person who appealed to everyone concerned as the best man,

that person should be selected; he had no disposition to say that the

man should have to come from the New York Bank.

He hoped that the New

York Bank would be able to train people in such manner that it

would be

thought that such persons were deserving of consideration, but that did

not preclude other persons from also being considered.

However, even

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though the matter was one of form rather than of substance, the principle

involved was important for the reasons Chairman Reed had outlined.

This was

one more evidence of the tendency to impinge on the status and importance

of the Reserve Banks.

He did not propose to review in detail the argu

ments that had been presented in his memorandum.

memorandum, he had read it

with interest.

As to Mr. Hackley's

He would omit from his comments

some of the considerations Mr. Hackley had listed that would bring in a

broader scope of issues.

His memorandum,

Mr. Hayes pointed out, made three principal

points about Chairman Martin's proposal that in his

judgment

were important.

First, the proposal failed to recognize the institutional responsibility

of the New York Bank for carrying out open market operations pursuant to

the will of the Committee.

Second, the proposal would tend to erode the

authority of the Reserve Bank's directors.

personnel problems for the Bank.

Third, it

would create some

There could hardly be disagreement, he

thought, that the Federal Reserve Bank selected to execute transactions

for the Open Market Account had an institutional responsibility to see

that the job was well done.

Since the directors had authority to appoint

the officers of the Bank and to define their duties, there was a strong

logic in the present procedure.

He found some passages in Mr. Hackley's

memorandum with regard to the Committee delegating authority to the

Manager that to him were not realistic.

Under the law, the execution

of open market transactions must reside with a Reserve Bank.

The 12

Banks, operating together and acting through the New York Bank, were to

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carry out such transactions.

The points in Mr. Hackley's memorandum

failed to recognize that institutional responsibility.

Further, the

New York Bank's experience in personnel administration pointed up the

validity of the argument made in his (Mr.

Hayes')

memorandum.

Bank was going to try to develop good people within its

there must be an atmosphere in which it

If the

organization,

could attract and retain such

persons through giving them reasonable hope of promotion.

Also, there

were distinct advantages in having the Account Manager in a position

to consult closely with his associates, including the other senior

officers of the Bank, his alternates, and the whole organization of

the Securities Department.

Coverage in depth was extremely important.

When there were no open market operations, the fact that the Manager

engaged in other operations was also an advantage, for this kept him

in close touch with the market.

All central bank operations in the

New York money market were closely interrelated.

Discount operations

were tied in closely with open market operations, and the foreign

exchange activities would also be tied in closely.

He thought it

highly

important to stress the fact that it was the Reserve Bank that should

sort out these things and keep them properly coordinated.

He could not

stress too much the institutional responsibility.

As to possible courses of action, Mr. Hayes said it

his feeling all along, as his memoradum

had been

indicated, that the burden

of proof was on those who would change the method of selection of

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the Manager and Special Manager.

He did not believe that it

had been

demonstrated that there would be a real advantage in a change; quite

the contrary.

However, he recognized the force of some of the arguments

that had been made.

From a strictly realistic standpoint, the Committee

and the New York Bank were each vitally interested in the selection of

the Manager and Special Manager.

The simplest answer seemed to be a process

to have the Manager and Special Manager se

of joint appointment; that is,

lected by the Open Market Committee and the New York Bank simultaneously.

While he saw no necessity to change the present procedure, he thought that

the procedure of joint selection would be acceptable.

He could not speak for

the directors, but he thought it would be acceptable to them.

appear to meet all

It would

of the objectives that had been set forth in the proposal

advanced by Chairman Martin.

Mr. Ellis said that as he looked at the job to be performed, there

were essentially two parts.

cisions of the Committee.

First, there was the execution of the de

He thought it was agreed that this function

must be performed by a coordinated team.

The importance of the Manager

being an officer of the Reserve Bank and being engaged,

in that capacity,

on other operations for which the Bank was responsible seemed to be agreed

upon and not a matter at issue.

The second part of the problem was the

matter of effective communication between the Open Market Committee and

the operating people in the New York Bank.

There should be a direct re

lationship between the Comittee and the operating officer known as the

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Manager.

That was the reason for the Manager's presence at open market

meetings.

It

was the underlying reason for the Committee's continuing

efforts to improve its

methods of comunication to the Manager.

Committee must depend on, and have confidence in,

the Manager.

The

If

it

did not have confidence, that would lead to questioning the Manager's

motives rather than to discussion about techniques and practices.

The

overriding responsibility of the Manager must be to the Committee in

respect to the decisions that the Committee expected him to carry out.

At the same time, the Manager must clearly be acceptable to the New

York Bank:

an officer of that Bank and a person who could work well

with the staff of the Bank. The Committee and the New York Bank should

both participate in seeking the best person.

It

struck him as of relatively little importance, Mr. Ellis

said, whether the Committee or the New York Bank made the decision or

approved the decision. For the record, it should be clear that the

Open Market Committee did not stand in a secondary position.

However,

the Committee need not have preeminent authority in the selection of

the individual. Mr. Hayes' proposal for joint appointment would seem

to meet satisfactorily the objectives of the Committee.

It would show that

the Committee was not in a secondary position in the selection process.

From the standpoint of form, it would seem appropriate if the By-Laws

were to provide that the Committee made the selection of the Manager

jointly with the Federal Reserve Bank selected to execute transactions for

the Open Market Account.

However, if agreement could not be reached on

the procedure of joint selection, then he would favor the proposal of

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Chairman Martin whereby the Committee would select a Manager and a

Special Manager, both of whom were to be satisfactory to the Reserve

Bank selected to execute transactions for the Open Market Account.

Mr. Irons said he would start with the thought that the Manager

of the Account had a dual responsibility.

The Manager performed a

function for which he was directly and primarily responsible to the

Committee.

At the same time, he had a technical administrative respon

sibility that made it desirable for him to hold a position of seniority

within the Reserve Bank selected to execute transactions for the Open

Market Account.

The very fact that the Committee selected a particular

Bank--which would inevitably be the New York Bank--ought to be regarded

as an expression of complete confidence in that Bank and recognition

of that Bank's institutional prestige and character.

It would be

unfortunate if anything were done that would tend to lessen the institution

al prestige of the Bank.

The question under discussion involved a matter

of form rather than a matter of substance, but it involved the possibility

of criticism of the Committee for not at least sharing primary responsi

bility with the Reserve Bank in the selection of the Manager and Special

Manager.

A relatively unimportant matter of form might lead to questions

of substance.

Mr. Irons said he rather liked the joint appointment suggestion

as a compromise move, with a spelling out of the fact that the Manager

and the Special Manager were to be not only senior officers of the New

York Bank but also officers of the Committee.

The two-hat type of

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responsibility went all through the System; it

this one instance.

was not applicable in just

To a degree, the appointment of a Reserve Bank

President was a joint arrangement, and a President was wearing a second

hat when he served as a member of the Open Market Committee.

If the

compromise approach were followed, the Open Market Committee would have

primary responsibility for the selection of the Reserve Bank to conduct

operations for the Open Market Account and joint responsibility with

the directors of that Bank in the selection of the Manager and Special

Manager.

Those persons would be senior officers of the selected Reserve

Bank and also of the Committee.

They would serve at the pleasure of the

Committee, and they would attend all of the meetings of the Committee.

Mr. Swan said he would agree with what had been said about the

dual responsibility of the Manager and Special Manager, and also with

the thought that the Committee was discussing something that involved

primarily a question of form. However, as Mr. Irons had suggested,

it was important that matters of form not shift over to matters of sub

stance.

If the question of the method of selection were coming up

originally, he would have leaned a little

toward the primary respon

sibility being more clearly reflected as flowing to the Committee.

However, he would not like to see any change made that might be inter

preted as more significant than it really was.

While he had not thought

about the possibility of joint selection, this possibility appealed to

him, although it was not entirely clear what might be involved in the

mechanics of such an arrangement.

If this could be made evident not only

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to the Committee but to anyone else who might be interested, the joint

selection approach might be quite satisfactory.

In any event, however,

the designation of the Manager and Special Manager as officers of the

Committee ought to be recognized.

selection procedure if

In summary, he would favor the joint

it could be made clear just how the procedure

would work, and if it was clear that this would not raise further questions

about the relation of the Manager and Special Manager to the Committee.

Mr. Deming said he had not thought of the possibility of joint

selection until this morning. He had started out with the thought that

the present arrangement, whereby a Reserve Bank was selected to execute

transactions for the Account and that Bank then selected the Manager, was

not completely logical because in his view the responsibility of the

Manager ran to the Committee more than to the Reserve Bank.

Neither, how

ever, did it seem completely logical to select a Reserve Bank to execute

transactions and not give that Bank authority to select the Account

Manager.

On balance, he had favored Chairman Martin's suggestion because

it would clearly indicate that the Manager's primary responsibility was

to the Committee.

As the discussion proceeded this morning, however, he

would now lean toward the joint selection approach.

It would seem to be

no more illogical than either of the other arrangements.

Mr. Scanlon stated that he wished to associate himself with the

comments of Mr. Deming.

Mr. Clay indicated that he found no difficulty in the present

arrangement.

It

did not concern him particularly which procedure was

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followed, but the present arrangement added something to the prestige

of the New York Reserve Bank.

the world, it

Located in the central money market of

seemed desirable for the New York Bank to have that

prestige, and it did not bother him that the Kansas City Bank could

not have it.

As to the possibility of selecting an Account Manager or

Special Manager from elsewhere throughout the System, there might at

some point be an individual with talent along those lines in some Bank

Nevertheless, it would be difficult to expect that

other than New York.

the Manager or Special Manager would come from the Kansas City Bank, for

example, unless the individual concerned was transferred to the New

York Bank prior to his appointment in order to obtain experience.

Mr. Clay went on to say that he had found no difficulty with

other situations where a somewhat similar type of problem existed.

For

example, the directors of the Kansas City Reserve Bank had appointed

him as President, but his appointment was subject to approval by the

Board of Governors.

He had responsibilities, on the one hand, for the

operation of the Reserve Bank, and on the other hand in relation to

the Federal Open Market Committee.

handling that problem.

He had found no difficulty in

Likewise, he found no problem in the Kansas

City Bank acting as fiscal agent for the Treasury, for which purpose

the Reserve Bank selected officers at that Bank to handle such

operations.

He would find great difficulty in having to accept an

individual whom the Treasury might happen to put in the Bank to conduct

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such operations, but he had no difficulty with the present situation.

A lot of these things existed in a lot of places throughout the System.

Mr. Clay said he had a strong feeling that the regional aspects

of the System represented its

greatest strength as far as the people of

the United States were concerned.

As he saw it,

the current proposal for

selection of the Manager and Special Manager would have some tendency to

detract from the prestige of the New York Bank.

Further, an extension of

that tendency over a period of time might result in the Account Manager

employing personnel and having a separate payroll.

He would prefer to

have the responsibility vested in the New York Bank as an institution.

If he did not feel the responsibility was being carried out properly,

he would not hesitate to talk with Messrs. Hayes and Rouse and then

talk to the Open Market Committee on the same basis.

In summary, he

would prefer to retain the present method of selection.

Mr. Mills said he felt that Chairman Reed had identified the

crux of the longer-range problem in his opening statement when he

expressed concern that over a period of years there would be a gradual

centralization of authority within the Federal Reserve System.

A weaken

ing of the system concept would eventually pull the Federal Reserve in

the direction of nationalization.

In his (Mr. Mills') opinion, however,

the proposal to shift to the Open Market Committee the function of

selecting the Manager and Special Manager would operate in the direction

of halting such a trend.

Actually, the Federal Open Market Committee

might better be named the System Open Market Committee.

It

was a

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Federal Reserve System organization and had a System-wide responsibility

that did not attach to any one of the Federal Reserve Banks, except to

the extent that one Bank was selected by the Committee to execute trans

actions for the Open Market Account.

In his opinion, the time had come

to indicate clearly that the Committee, as a System organization, con

trolled and directed the conduct of open market operations.

He had a

feeling that over a period of years the operation of the Account had

thrown the Desk into a propinquity with the Treasury and the Executive

Branch of the Federal Government that could set in motion a drift toward

centralization.

The kind of proposal that Chairman Martin had submitted

to the Committee would stand as an obstacle to that trend.

Mr. Robertson noted that the Open Market Committee's job was to

make policy.

The Manager's job was to make decisions to implement that

policy, and the New York Bank's job was to execute transactions for the

Open Market Account.

Theoretically, it could be said that those functions

should be separated completely, but this was not feasible in practice.

Although the current proposal was a compromise,

it

was in

the proper

direction of indicating to the world that the Manager and Special Manager

had a primary responsibility to the Open Market Committee.

Consequently,

he would support the proposal submitted by Chairman Martin.

Mr. Shepardson said he would agree with the thought expressed by

Chairman Reed that the strength of the Federal Reserve System was in

its component parts.

Like Chairman Reed, he had a strong desire to

preserve that kind of a system.

As to the problem immediately before

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the Committee, he noted that in a large private corporation there was

a treasurer or some similar official who carried out the fiscal policies

of the company.

bank.

These policies were effectuated through a commercial

The treasurer could call the bank and give instructions as to

what he wanted done and in what amounts.

In the case of the Treasury,

where a Reserve Bank was acting as fiscal agent, it was his understand

ing that the Treasury gave instructions to the Reserve Bank as to what

it wanted done and in what amounts.

In the case of the Open Market Com

mittee, which was representative of the whole Federal Reserve System, it

was not feasible for the Committee to be in daily session and to make

decisions on a day-to-day basis.

Instead, the Committee normally formu

lated policy for a period of three weeks and delegated to the Account

Manager the job of making day-to-day decisions in light of the prescribed

policy. The Manager was in effect the corporate officer who gave instruc

tions to the commercial bank, in this case the Reserve Bank selected by

the Open Market Committee to execute transactions for the Open Market

Account.

The Committee could not conduct the actual financial trans

actions.

Therefore, the Manager of the Account must be primarily re

sponsible to the Committee, and there should be no question about that

responsibility. Theoretically,the Account Manager might be an employee

of the Open Market Committee and on the Committee's payroll.

As such,

he might be housed in the Reserve Bank, or certainly in close relationship

to the Reserve Bank.

However, because of the need for depth and training

that Mr. Hayes had mentioned, such a procedure might be of questionable

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value in practice.

There was an advantage in having the Manager also

an officer of the Reserve Bank so that he could work more closely with

the Bank's staff.

It seemed to him, Mr. Shepardson said, that it was important to

show clearly the responsibility of the Manager to the Committee, since

it was the function of the Manager to make day-to-day decisions imple

menting Committee policy.

The function of the Reserve Bank was to ef

fectuate transactions reflecting those decisions.

On that basis, it

seemed to him that the proposal submitted by Chairman Martin was sound.

He did not think that it would detract in any way from the position of

the New York Bank.

The New York Bank, by its right of veto, could

assure itself of the selection of an individual who was acceptable to it

and who was compatible with the Bank's organization.

Mr.

King expressed agreement with what Mr. Mills had said.

The type of proposal submitted by Chairman Martin was more likely to

preserve the regional concept of the System than an unclear delineation

of responsibility.

By statute, the Open Market Committee had a heavy

responsibility, and it

decisions.

must delegate the implementation of its

policy

Therefore, the real question was the effective delegation

of responsibility.

In his opinion, the regional concept was far more

likely to endure if

there was a clear delineation of authority than if

the Committee simply preserved a form that had existed in the past for

one reason or another.

He doubted whether the joint selection procedure

actually would meet the need,

for he thought that the Manager and Special

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Manager had a direct responsibility to the Open Market Committee.

a member of the Committee,

As

he would like to know that there was one man

who could answer questions clearly in the event of any disagreement.

had been said, this was essentially a matter of form.

As

However, critics

of the Federal Reserve System had an opportunity to express themselves

if the System followed procedures that were not logical.

On this basis,

he would favor the suggestion made by Chairman Martin.

Mr. Mitchell commented that although the Open Market Committee

might not be the most powerful body of men in the world, it

leading architect of monetary policy.

was the

In terms of execution of policy,

its principal implement was the Account Manager.

For the public

record it should be clear that the Manager and Special Manager were

responsible to the Committee,

for their selection.

and that the Committee was responsible

For this reason he would favor the proposed

change in the method of selection.

From a practical standpoint he would

have no objection to the joint selection procedure, but for the record

he felt it would look better if the Committee made the selection of

the Manager and Special Manager.

Mr.

Fulton said he would align himself with those who had com

mented favorably on the joint selection procedure and on making it

clear

that the Account Manager and the Special Manager were officers of the

Open Market Committee.

He added that by reason of the Trading Desk

being situated in the New York Bank and by reason of the presence at

that Bank of one of the members of the Open Market Committee,

that

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member could be alleged to wield an undue influence.

Further,

the Com

mittee member from the New York Bank had been for years the Vice Chairman

of the Committee.

Therefore,

it

might be desirable to rotate the Vice

Chairmanship among the members of the Open Market Committee rather than

to have it always in New York.

Mr. Bopp commented that he had not heard until today about the

possibility of a joint selection procedure.

He leaned favorably toward

that approach, although he had some concern about the mechanics of such

a procedure.

He was not particularly impressed by the personnel difficul

ties claimed for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in the event of a

change in the method of selection of the Manager and Special Manager, but

he was concerned about the personnel problem from the standpoint of the

Open Market Committee.

If an adequate person could not be found at the

New York Bank, he would not hesitate to go to another Federal Reserve

Bank or to any other source to locate a man for the post of Manager or

Special Manager.

was desirable.

However, this would not provide the continuity that

If there was any doubt that the New York Bank had within

its organization an individual on whom everyone could agree in advance,

the thing to do would be to place a man in that Bank and train him.

The

element of continuity was important; the problem of the method of

selection of a Manager or Special Manager went not only to the specific

act of selection but to the development of individuals as well.

Accordingly,

while the idea of joint selection struck him favorably, the procedure

should extend to the development of competent people.

If the Committee

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should feel at any time that the New York Bank did not have appropriate

individuals, the New York Bank should know that in advance, so that a

person could be found who would be acceptable to everyone in a real sense.

Mr. Bryan commented, in regard to the contention that a change of

the method of selection would reduce the institutional prestige of the New

York Bank, that another organization established by statute--the Federal

Open Market Committee--was one of the most important institutions within

the Federal Reserve System; its prestige must also be considered.

In the

housekeeping section of the 1952 report of the Ad Hoc Subcommittee there

were in his opinion more important things than the question of who initiated

the selection of the Account Manager.

He thought of this particular

question as involving a matter of form that was important principally from

the standpoint of the public record.

He would be willing to accept the

joint selection arrangement if it could be worked out to the satisfaction

of a majority of the Committee.

If not, he would be compelled to vote for

Chairman Martin's suggestion.

Mr. Balderston referred to the observations that had been made pre

viously regarding the fundamental distinction between policy direction

and ministerial duties involved in the execution thereof.

Open Market Committee normally met at three-week intervals.

As noted, the

In the

interim, with problems of communication being what they were, it must

rely on the Manager and the Special Manager to interpret the will of the

Committee as they understood it.

It was vital to the success of both

areas of work that the Manager and Special Manager be looked upon, not

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only within the System but by the Government at large and by the financial

community, as part of the policy direction of the Open Market Committee.

As to ministerial duties, they must be carried on by the New York Reserve

Bank.

Mr. Balderston went on to say that, like others who had spoken,

he believed in the decentralized central banking system of this country.

He was hopeful that it would be possible to continue this decentralization

and that the principal coordinating agent of the System would continue to

be a board, as distinguished from a single governor.

There had been sug

gestions from time to time that the open market function be handled by a

board located in Washington.

In his opinion, however, such a move would

be a fundamental blunder that would undermine the strength of the Federal

Reserve System.

The Reserve Bank Presidents should be represented on the

Open Market Committee, not merely advisory to it.

Therefore, he saw a

real point in the suggestion that this was the time to make clear, by

providing for the selection by the Open Market Committee of the Manager

and Special Manager, that the Committee was the policy-maker with respect

to the open market instrument and that its policies were implemented

between Committee meetings by a Manager and a Special Manager who were

officers of the Committee.

It was important that the procedure followed

be such as to bear the closest examination by the most outspoken critics

of the System, and in his opinion the present procedure left the System

exposed.

For the Open Market Committee to pick the New York Bank for

the performance of ministerial duties and delegate to that Bank the

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selection of the individuals who were to interpret policy during intervals

between Committee meetings seemed to him to leave the whole Federal

Reserve System vulnerable to criticism.

Therefore, he would favor the

proposal submitted by Chairman Martin.

Chairman Martin said he hoped everyone understood the intent of

his suggestion.

His thinking, in making the suggestion, went to the

future of the Federal Reserve System as a system.

His thought was not

to take power away from any individual Reserve Bank.

Everyone took

pride in the work of the Reserve Banks, and the last thing in his mind

would be to try in any way to detract from the prestige of any Bank.

The method of selection involved a question of form rather than substance,

but in his opinion the form was important.

The idea of a system involved

not one Bank but all Banks working together.

It was with this thought

that he had submitted his suggestion, which of itself was a compromise.

He thought it important to make clear that in the selection of the Manager

and the Special Manager the authority was vested in the Open Market Com

mittee.

Over a long period of years, there had been devoted Account

Managers, including Messrs. Burgess,

Now the present

Sproul, and Rouse.

Manager was going to reach the point of retirement in a relatively short

time, and it would be necessary to select a new Manager.

From the stand

point of the System, it seemed important that there be no question about

the point of control in the selection of the Manager.

Again he wished

to emphasize that in his opinion the proposal he had submitted would in

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no way impair the institutional prestige of the New York Bank.

He could

sympathize with the position of Messrs. Reed and Hayes and welcomed the

presentation of their views.

However, it certainly was not the intent

of the proposal to detract in any way from the status of the New York Bank.

The Chairman then said that he felt the Committee ought to dispose

of this matter.

Therefore, he would propose that the question be put

to a vote.

Mr. Mills moved that Section 5 of Article II of the By-Laws of

the Committee be amended, effective immediately, so as to read as follows,

with a conforming change in the Rules on Organization and Information:

Section 5. Manager and Special Manager of the System

Open Market Account. - The Committee shall select a Federal

Reserve Bank to execute transactions for the System Open

Market Account.

The Committee shall also select a Manager

of the System Open Market Account and a Special Manager for

foreign currency operations for such Account, both of whom

shall be satisfactory to such Federal Reserve Bank.

They

shall serve at the pleasure of the Committee and shall

attend all meetings of the Committee.

This motion was seconded by Mr. Shepardson.

Mr. Hayes noted that a vote on the motion of Mr. Mills would

preclude the opportunity for an expression by the Committee members con

cerning the suggested alternate procedure of joint selection of the

Manager and Special Manager.

Accordingly, he moved that Mr. Mills'

motion be amended to provide

in effect that the Manager and Special

Manager of the System Open Market Account be selected jointly by the

Federal Open Market Committee and the Federal Reserve Bank selected to

execute transactions for the System Open Market Account.

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In order to insure a vote on Mr. Hayes' motion to amend, his motion

to amend the previous motion was seconded by Mr. Balderston.

At this point Chairman Reed withdrew from the meeting.

A vote was then taken on the motion by

Mr. Hayes to amend the previous motion by

Mr. Mills, and the motion to amend was defeated.

Votes for the motion to amend the

previous motion: Messrs. Hayes, Deming,

Ellis, and Fulton. Votes against the motion

to amend the previous motion: Messrs. Martin,

Balderston, Bryan, King,Mills, Mitchell,

Robertson, and Shepardson.

The motion to amend having been defeated,

a vote was taken on the motion that had been

made by Mr. Mills, and the motion was carried.

Votes for the motion:

Messrs. Martin,

Balderston, Bryan, Deming, Ellis, Fulton, King,

Mills, Mitchell, Robertson, and Shepardson.

Vote against the motion: Mr. Hayes.

Chairman Martin then pointed out that at its meeting on March 6,

1962, the Open Market Committee had approved the selection by the New

York Bank of Mr. Rouse as Manager of the Open Market Account and Mr.

Coombs as Special Manager for foreign currency transactions until the

adjournment of the Committee meeting at which his suggested change in

the By-Laws was discussed, which meant that further action by the Committee

was now necessary.

He noted that Mr. Rouse was scheduled to retire from

service with the New York Bank in the fall of 1963, but had expressed a

desire to be relieved as Manager of the System Open Market Account prior

to that time.

He also indicated that pursuant to an understanding at a

recent meeting of the Committee, a group composed of Messrs. Hayes,

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Balderston, and himself had been studying the qualifications of persons

who might be recommended to succeed Mr. Rouse as Manager, that the group

was prepared to make a recommendation,

and that a memorandum would be

submitted to the Committee.

In this connection, question was raised with regard to the most

appropriate timing of a change in Managers, from the standpoint of both

Mr. Rouse and his successor, and Mr. Hayes cited advantages that would

accrue from Mr. Rouse's continuing as Manager for some further period of

time.

He added, however, that he had not yet thought the matter through

to a specific recommendation as to what date might be most suitable for

making the changeover effective.

It was also noted that although, according to the action taken

by the Open Market Committee on March 6, 1962, its approval of the

selection of Mr. Rouse as Manager and Mr. Coombs as Special Manager

would expire with the adjournment of today's meeting, the amended pro

cedure just adopted by the Committee for selection of the Manager and

Special Manager called for approval of the Committee's action by the

directors of the New York Reserve Bank.

Mr. Hayes stated, however, that

he felt confident that the directors, at their meeting on Thursday of this

week, would approve the selection of Messrs. Rouse and Coombs as Manager

and Special Manager,

respectively.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, Mr. Rouse

was selected as Manager of the System Open

Market Account, to serve as such until

further action was taken by the Open Market

Committee.

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Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, Mr. Coombs was selected to

serve as Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account for foreign currency operations.

Consideration then was given to possible amendments to the Com

mittee's By-Laws, Rules on Organization and Information, and Rules on

Procedure, as presented in Mr. Hackley's memorandum of April 9, 1962, it

being noted that one amendment to the By-Laws and to the Rules on Organiza

tion and Information had already been approved at this meeting, reflecting

the change in method of selection of the Manager and Special Manager of

the System Open Market Account.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the Committee's

By-Laws, amended previously in one respect

by action of the Committee at this meeting,

were further amended, effective immediately,

to place them in the following form:

ARTICLE I.

MEMBERS

Section 1. Organization - Prior to the first meeting of

the Committee on or after March 1 of each year, each member of

the Committee representing the Federal Reserve Banks shall cause

a record of his election and of the election of the alternate to

serve in his absence to be forwarded to the Secretary of the

Committee. If any question be raised as to the election or

eligibility of such member or alternate, the Committee shall de

termine such question before permitting such member or alternate

to participate in the meetings.

Section 2. Alternates - In the event a member is absent

from a meeting of the Committee, his alternate, in attending the

meeting, shall have the same status as the member for whom he is

serving.

Section 3. Oath - Each member of the Federal Open Market

Committee and each alternate shall take the same oath of office

as that required by the Constitution for officers of the United

States.

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Section 4. Quorum - Seven members (including alternates

present and acting the

in

absence of members) shall constitute a

quorum for the transaction of business; but less than a quorum

may adjourn from time to time until a quorum is in attendance.

Section 5. Meetings - The Committee shall meet in

ton, D. C. at least four times each year and oftener if

necessary. Meetings shall be held upon the call of the

of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

request of any three members of the Committee. Notices

Washing

deemed

Chairman

or at the

of calls

by the Chairman to other members shall be given by the Secretary.

Requests of any three members for the calling of a meeting shall

state the time therefor and shall be filed in writing or by

telegram with the Secretary who shall forthwith notify all

members of the Committee in writing or by telegram. When the

Secretary shall have sent notices to all members of the Committee

that a meeting has been requested by three members and of the

time therefor, a meeting shall be deemed to have been called.

Whenever any member of the Committee representing Federal

Reserve Banks shall find that he will be unable to attend a

meeting of the Committee, he shall promptly notify his

alternate and the Secretary of the Committee in writing or by

telegram, and upon receipt of such notice the alternate shall

advise the Secretary whether he will attend such meeting.

Section 6.

deliberations,

Conduct and Deliberations - The proceedings,

discussions,

and actions of the Committee,

except

as required by law and except as authorized by the Committee,

shall be strictly confidential, and no information shall be re

leased except as authorized by the Committee and in the annual

report required to be made to Congress by section 10 of the

Federal Reserve Act as amended.

Section 7. Order of Business - The following shall be the

order of procedure to be followed at meetings of the Committee:

1. The Secretary shall present the minutes of the

last meeting of the Committee.

2. The Manager of the System Open Market Account

and the Special Manager for foreign currency operations

for such Account shall make their reports of operations

for the System Open Market Account occurring since the

preceding meeting.

3.

The Committee Economist and other economists

shall make such reports as may be appropriate.

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4. The Committee shall then consider open-market

policies.

By a majority vote of members present, the Committee may

adopt a different order of business for any particular meeting.

ARTICLE II.

Section 1.

OFFICERS

Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Committee - At

its first meeting on or after March 1 of each year the Committee

shall elect a Chairman and a Vice Chairman to serve until the first

meeting on or after March 1 of the next year.

The Chairman of the

Committee shall preside at all meetings thereof and shall perform

such other duties as the Committee may require. The Vice Chairman

shall perform the duties of the Chairman in the absence of the

In the absence of both the Chairman and Vice Chairman,

Chairman.

the Committee shall elect an Acting Chairman.

Section 2. Secretary and Assistant Secretaries - At its

first meeting on or after March 1 of each year the Committee shall

elect a Secretary and one or more Assistant Secretaries to serve

until the first meeting on or after March 1 of the next year. It

shall be the duty of the Secretary to keep minutes of all meetings

of the Committee and a complete record of the action taken by the

Committee upon all questions of policy relating to open-market

operations, and he shall record the votes taken in connection with

the determination of open-market policies and the underlying

reasons assigned therefor. He shall have custody of such minutes

and records and shall perform such other duties as the Committee

may require. In the absence of the Secretary of the Committee, an

Assistant Secretary shall act as Secretary pro tem.

Section 3. Economist and Associate Economists - At its first

meeting on or after March 1 of each year, the Committee shall

meeting on or after

elect an Economist to serve until the first

March 1 of the next year. The Committee shall also from time to

time, as it may decide, elect one or more Associate Economists.

The Economist and Associate Economists shall prepare for the use

of the Committee and present to it such information about business

and credit conditions as will assist the Committee in the determina

tion of open-market policies, and shall perform such other duties

as the Committee may require.

General Counsel and Assistant General Counsel

Section 4.

meeting on or after March 1 of each year the Com

At its first

mittee shall elect a General Counsel and an Assistant General

meeting on or after March 1 of

Counsel to serve until the first

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the next year. It shall be the duty of the General Counsel to

furnish such legal advice as the Committee may require.

In the

absence of the General Counsel, the Assistant General Counsel

shall act as General Counsel pro tem.

Section 5.

Manager of the System Open Market Account and

Special Manager for Foreign Currency Operations - The Committee

shall select a Federal Reserve Bank to execute transactions for

the System Open Market Account.

The Committee shall also select a

Manager of the System Open Market Account and a Special Manager for

foreign currency operations for such Account, both of whom shall be

satisfactory to such Federal Reserve Bank. They shall serve at the

pleasure of the Committee and shall attend all meetings of the

Committee.

Section 6. Filling Vacancies - At any meeting the Committee

may fill

any vacancy in the office of Chairman, Vice Chairman,

Secretary, Assistant Secretary, Economist, Associate Economist,

General Counsel, Assistant General Counsel, or Manager or Special

Manager of the System Open Market Account.

ARTICLE III.

AMENDMENTS

These by-laws may be amended at any meeting of the Com

mittee by a majority vote of the entire Committee.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote,the Rules of Organization

and Information, amended previously in one

respect by action of the Committee at this

meeting, were further amended, effective

immediately, to place them in the following

form, with the understanding that the amended

Rules would be published in the Federal

Register:

RULES OF ORGANIZATION

As Revised Effective April 17,

1962

SECTION 1--BASIS AND SCOPE

These rules are issued by the Federal Open Market Committee

(hereinafter sometimes called the Committee) pursuant to the

Administrative Procedure Act (60 Stat. 237; 5 U.S. C. 1001) and

the Federal Reserve Act (sec. 12A, 48 Stat. 168; 12 U.S.C. 263).

-35Included therein are the rules specified by section 3(a)(1) of

the Administrative Procedure Act.

SECTION 2--COMPOSITION AND MEETINGS OF COMMITTEE

(a) Members. The Federal Open Market Committee consists

of the members of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve

System and five representatives of the Federal Reserve Banks who

are Presidents or First Vice Presidents of such Banks.

The

representatives of the Federal Reserve Banks, and an alternate

for each representative, are elected in accordance with section

12A of the Federal Reserve Act for terms of one year commencing

on March 1 of each year.

(b)

Chairman and Vice Chairman.

At its first meeting on

or after March 1 of each year, the Committee selects a Chairman

and a Vice Chairman from among its membership.

(c) Meetings. The Committee meets at Washington, D. C.,

on call by the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Fed

eral Reserve System or at the request of three members of the

Committee, at least four times each year and oftener if deemed

necessary.

SECTION 3--PERSONNEL

(a)

Official Staff.

The official staff of the Federal

Open Market Committee includes its Secretary and Assistant

Secretaries, General Counsel and Assistant General Counsel,

and Economist and Associate Economists, who perform the duties

indicated by their titles. These staff members are selected

from among the officers and employees of the Board of Governors

of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve Banks.

In addition, one of the Federal Reserve Banks is selected by

the Committee to execute transactions for the System Open

Market Account; and the Committee selects a Manager of the

System Open Market Account and a Special Manager for foreign

currency operations for such Account, both of whom shall be

satisfactory to such Federal Reserve Bank.

(b)

Others. The services of other officers and employees

of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and

Federal Reserve Banks are made available and are utilized by

the Committee as required.

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SUBMITTALS,

As Revised Effective April 17,

AND REQUESTS

1962

SECTION 271.1--BASIS AND SCOPE

This part is issued by the Federal Open Market Committee

(sometimes called the Committee in this part) pursuant to the

Administrative Procedure Act (60 Stat. 237; 5 U.S. C. 1001) and

the Federal Reserve Act (sec. 12A, 48 Stat. 168; 12 U.S.C. 263).

It includes the rules specified by sections 3(b) and 3(c) of the

Administrative Procedure Act.

SECTION 271.2--SUBMITTALS,

PETITIONS, AND REQUESTS

(a)

Place.

The mailing address of the Federal Open Market

Committee is: Federal Reserve Building, 20th Street and Consti

tution Avenue, Washington 25, D. C. The Committee customarily

meets at the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal

Reserve System at that address.

(b) Method.

All submittals, petitions, and requests, in

cluding requests for access to information, shall be made in

writing and mailed to the Committee at the address stated in

paragraph (a) of this section. Any petition or request shall

be signed by the person making it, or his duly authorized agent,

and shall, in so far as practicable, clearly, completely and

concisely state his full name and address, the facts involved

(including the purposes for which any unpublished information

requested will be used if made available), the action desired,

the person's interest in the matter, and the reasons why the

petition or request should be granted.

SECTION 271.3--AVAILABILITY OF INFORMATION

(a) Federal Register. Rules describing the Committee's

organization and procedure and any substantive rules or state

ments of policy which are formulated and adopted by the Committee

for the guidance of the public will be published in the Federal

Register.

(b) Policy Record. A complete record of the actions taken

by the Committee during the preceding year upon all matters of

policy relating to open market operations, showing the votes

taken and the reasons underlying the actions, is included in

each annual report made to Congress by the Board of Governors

of the Federal Reserve System in accordance with section 10

of the Federal Reserve Act.

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(c)

Unpublished Information. Except as may be specific

ally authorized by the Committee, or as may be required in the

performance of duties for, or pursuant to the direction of, the

Committee, no person shall disclose, or permit the disclosure

of, any unpublished information of the Committee to anyone,

whether by giving out or furnishing such information or copy

thereof, by allowing any person to inspect, examine or copy such

Unpublished

information or copy thereof, or by any other means.

information of the Committee shall include all information con

cerning the proceedings, deliberations, discussions, and actions

of the Committee and all information or advice coming to the Com

mittee or to any member of the Committee or any officer, employee

or agent of the Committee, the Board of Governors of the Federal

Reserve System, or any Federal Reserve Bank, in the performance

of duties for, or pursuant to the direction of, the Committee,

whether contained in files, memoranda, documents, reports, books,

accounts, records, or papers or otherwise acquired and whether

located at the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal

Reserve System, the Federal Reserve Banks, or elsewhere:

Provided,

That it shall not include information which has been published

in accordance with paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section or

information which is available to the public through other sources.

(d)

Reasons for Nondisclosure.

The nondisclosure of un

published information of the Committee generally is required in

the public interest for one or more of the following reasons:

(1) Disclosure of unpublished information concerning poli

cies with respect to future open market operations which are

under consideration or have been adopted by the Committee,

and of unpublished information which might aid in anticipating

action by the Committee, would:

(i)

Interfere with the accomplishment of the objectives

of the Comittee's actions taken with a view to accommodating

commerce and business and with regard to their bearing upon

the general credit situation of the country;

(ii)

Permit speculators and others to reap unfair profits

or other unfair advantages by speculative trading in securities,

foreign exchange, and otherwise;

(iii) Interfere with the orderly execution of policies

adopted by the Committee;

(iv)

Result in unnecessary and unwarranted disturbance in

the securities markets;

-38(v) Make open market operations more costly to the Federal

Reserve Banks;

(vi) Interfere with the orderly execution and accomplish

ment of the objectives of policies adopted by other Government

agencies concerned with economic and fiscal matters; and

(vii) Cause misinterpretations and misunderstandings, with

possible resultant impairment of public confidence in the nation's

financial structure.

(2) The Committee's unpublished information includes much

that is furnished to it on a secret or confidential basis and its

disclosure would:

(i) Have the effects described in subparagraph (1) of this

paragraph;

(ii) Impede the necessary collection of information and ad

vice, much of which cannot be obtained except on a confidential

and voluntary basis; and

(iii)

Unreasonably and unnecessarily disturb and interfere

with individual privacy and confidential business relationships.

(e) Requests for Unpublished Information. Requests for

access to unpublished information will be granted only if it

clearly appears that disclosure of the information will not be

contrary to the public interest for any of the reasons set forth

in paragraph (d) of this section.

SECTION 271.4--SUBPOENAS

(a) Advice by Person Served. If any person, whether or

not an officer or employee of the Committee, of the Board of

Governors of the Federal Reserve System, or of a Federal Re

serve Bank, has unpublished information of the Committee and

in connection therewith is served with a subpoena, order, or

other process requiring his personal attendance as a witness

or the production of documents or information upon any pro

ceeding, he shall promptly advise the Committee of such serv

ice and of all relevant facts, including the documents and

information requested and any facts which may be of assistance

in determining wheter such documents or information should be

made available, and he shall take action at the appropriate

time to advise the court or tribunal which issued the process,

and the attorney for the party at whose instance the process

was issued, if known,

of the substance of this part.

-39(b) Appearance by Person Served.

Except as disclosure of

the relevant information has been authorized pursuant to this

part, any such person who has unpublished information of the

Committee and is required to respond to a subpoena or other

legal process shall attend at the time and place therein men

tioned and respectfully decline to produce any documents or

disclose any information or give any testimony with respect

thereto, basing his refusal upon this part. If, notwithstand

ing, the court or other body orders the production of any

documents, disclosure of any information, or giving of any

testimony, the person having such unpublished information of

the Committee shall promptly report the facts to the Comittee

for such action as the Committee may deem appropriate.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the Committee's Rules

of Procedure were amended, effective immediately,

to place them in the following form, with the

understanding that the amended Rules would be

published in the Federal Register:

RULES OF PROCEDURE

As Revised Effective April 17, 1962

SECTION 272.1--BASIS AND SCOPE

This part is issued by the Federal Open Market Committee

(sometimes called the Committee in this part) pursuant to the

Administrative Procedure Act (60 Stat. 237; 5 U. S. C. 1001) and

the Federal Reserve Act (see. 12A, 48 Stat. 168; 12 U.S. C. 263).

It includes the rules specified by section 3(a)(2) of the

Administrative Procedure Act.

SECTION 272.2--COMMITTEE ACTION

The function of the Committee is the direction and regula

tion of open market operations which are conducted by the Federal

Reserve Banks. This involves the determination of the policies

which are to be pursued with respect to open market operations

by the Federal Reserve Banks with a view to accommodating com

merce and business and with regard to their bearing upon the

general credit situation of the country, together with considera

tion and action upon incidental matters relating to the manner

in which such operations are to be conducted. The discharge of

the Committee's responsibilities requires the continuous gather

ing of information and study of changing financial, economic,

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and credit conditions and other pertinent considerations by the

members of the Committee and its personnel.

These activities

are closely interrelated with other activities of the Board of

Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Reserve

Banks and all relevant information and views developed by these

organizations are available to the Committee.

With this back

ground, action is taken by the Committee upon its own initiative

at periodic meetings held at least four times each year and

oftener if deemed necessary.

Attendance at Committee meetings

is restricted to members of the Committee and its official

staff, including the Manager of the System Open Market Account

and the Special Manager for foreign currency operations for such

Account, the Presidents of Federal Reserve Banks who are not at

the time members of the Committee, and such other advisers as

the Committee may invite from time to time. The Committee acts

through the adoption and transmittal of directives and regula

tions to the Federal Reserve Banks.

Operations in the System

Open Market Account are conducted pursuant to directives issued

by the Committee.

SECTION 272.3--NOTICE AND PUBLIC PROCEDURE

There ordinarily will be no published notice of proposed

action by the Committee or public procedure thereon, as described

in section 4 of the Administrative Procedure Act (sec. 4, 60 Stat.

238), because such notice and procedure is

impracticable,

unneces

sary, or contrary to the public interest for one or both of the

following reasons:

(a)

Nondisclosure of information is required in the public

interest for reasons stated in section 271.2(d) of this subchapter;

and

(b)

Expeditions and timely action, without the delay inci

dent to such notice and procedure, is required in the public

interest.

SECTION 272.4--EFFECTIVE DATE

Committee action ordinarily will be made effective on the

date the action is taken because the nature of the subject

matter and the action taken is such that the public interest

and the proper discharge of the Committee's responsibilities

so require.

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SECTION 272.5--SUBMITTALS,

PETITIONS, AND REQUESTS

Submittals, petitions, and requests may be made to the

Committee at any time in the manner stated in section 271.1 of

this subchapter. They will be considered by members of the

Committee's official staff and, where appropriate, will be

brought to the attention of the members of the Committee for

consideration and any necessary action.

It was noted that no change had been proposed in the Committee's

Regulation Relating to Open Market Operations of Federal Reserve Banks,

as amended effective June 22, 1955.

However,

it

was understood that

the Regulation, in the following form, would be reprinted;

REGULATION RELATING TO OPEN MARKET OPERATIONS OF

FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS

As Amended Effective June 22, 1955

SECTION 1

Pursuant to the authority conferred upon it by section 12A

of the Federal Reserve Act, as amended, the Federal Open Market

Committee prescribes the following regulations relating to the

open market transactions of the Federal Reserve Banks.

The Federal Open Market Committee expressly reserves the

right to alter, amend, or repeal this regulation in whole or in

part at any time.

SECTION 2--DEFINITIONS

(a) Government securities. The term "Government securities"

shall include bonds, notes, certificates of indebtedness, Treas

ury bills, and other obligations of the United States, including

obligations fully guaranteed as to principal and interest by the

United States.

(b) Obligations. The term "obligations" shall include

all bankers' acceptances, bills of exchange, cable transfers,

bonds, notes, warrants, debentures, and other obligations,

including Government securities, which Federal Reserve Banks

are authorized by law to purchase in the open market.

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(c) System Open Market Account. The term "System Open

Market Account" applies to Government securities and other

obligations heretofore or hereafter purchased in accordance

with open market policies adopted by the Committee and held

for the account of the Federal Reserve Banks.

(d)

Committee.

The term "Committee" shall mean the Fed

eral Open Market Committee.

SECTION 3--GOVERNING PRINCIPLES

By the terms of section 12A of the Federal Reserve Act, as

amended, the time, character, and volume of all purchases and

sales in the open market by Federal Reserve Banks shall be gov

erned with a view to accommodating commerce and business and with

regard to their bearing upon the general credit situation of the

country.

SECTION 4--FEDERAL OPEN MARKET COMMITTEE

(a) Functions. The Committee shall consider the needs of

commerce, industry, and agriculture, the general credit situa

tion of the country, and other matters having a bearing thereon

and consider, adopt, and transmit to the several Federal Reserve

Banks, regulations and directions with respect to the open market

operations of such banks under section 14 of the Federal Reserve

Act.

(b) Participation in System Open Market Account. The Com

mittee from time to time shall determine the principles which

shall govern the allocation among the several Federal Reserve

Banks of Government securities and other obligations held in the

System Open Market Account, with a view to meeting the changing

needs of the Federal Reserve Banks.

SECTION 5--CONDUCT OF OPEN MARKET OPERATIONS

Each Federal Reserve Bank shall engage in open market opera

tions under section 14 of the Federal Reserve Act only in ac

cordance with this regulation and the directions issued by the

Committee from time to time, and no Federal Reserve Bank shall

decline to engage in open market operations as directed by the

Committee.

Transactions for the System Open Market Account shall be

executed by a Federal Reserve Bank selected by the Committee.

Each Federal Reserve Bank shall make available to the Federal

Reserve Bank selected by the Committee such funds as may be

necessary to conduct and effectuate such transactions.

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-43SECTION 6--PURCHASES AND SALES OF GOVERNMENT SECURITIES

No Federal Reserve Bank shall purchase or sell Government

securities, for its own account or for the account of any other

Federal Reserve Bank, except pursuant to authority granted by

the Committee or in accordance with an open market policy

adopted by the Committee and in effect at the time.

The Committee reserves the right, in its discretion, to

require the sale of any Government securities now held or here

after purchased by an individual Federal Reserve Bank or to re

quire that such securities be transferred into the System Open

Market Account in accordance with such directions as the Committee

may make.

SECTION 7--OTHER OPEN MARKET OPERATIONS

Subject to directions of the Committee and the following

conditions, each Federal Reserve Bank may engage in open market

operations other than the purchase or sale of Government secu

rities:

(1) Each Federal Reserve Bank, as may be required from

time to time by the Committee, shall report all such transac

tions to the Secretary of the Committee.

(2) Only acceptances and bills of exchange which are of

the kinds made eligible for purchase under the provisions of

Regulation B of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve

System may be purchased: Provided, That no obligations payable

in foreign currency shall be purchased or sold for the account

of the Federal Reserve Bank except in accordance with directions

of the Committee.

(3) Only bills, notes, revenue bonds, and warrants of

States, counties, districts, political subdivisions, or munici

palities which are of the kinds made eligible for purchase under

the provisions of Regulation E of the Board of Governors of the

Federal Reserve System may be purchased.

(4) No Federal Reserve Bank shall engage in the purchase

or sale of cable transfers for its own account except in accord

ance with the directions of the Committee.

Chairman Martin stated that the Committee's Economist, Mr. Thomas,

was planning to retire from active service with the Board of Governors in

-44the relatively near future and to accept an assignment outside the

Federal Reserve System.

Therefore, Mr. Thomas had asked to be relieved

of his duties as Economist of the Open Market Committee, effective at

the conclusion of this meeting.

Mr.

Shepardson stated that in the light of the foregoing develop

ment the Board of Governors had given consideration to the situation

from the standpoint of responsibilities of members of its staff.

recommended that Mr. Noyes,

He then

currently Associate Economist, be appointed

Economist of the Federal Open Market Committee to succeed Mr. Thomas and

that Messrs. Daniel H. Brill, Robert C. Holland, and Albert R. Koch be

appointed Associate Economists.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the request

of Mr. Thomas to be relieved as Economist

was approved, Mr. Noyes was appointed

Economist to succeed Mr. Thomas, and

Messrs. Brill, Holland, and Koch were

appointed Associate Economists, it being

understood that all of these actions would

be effective at the adjournment of this

meeting and that Messrs.

Noyes,

Brill,

Holland, and Koch would serve in their

designated capacities until the election

of their successors at the first meeting

of the Committee after February 28, 1963,

unless in the meantime any one of them

discontinued his official connection with

the Board of Governors, in which event he

would cease to have any official connection

with the Federal Open Market Committee.

At this point Mr. Coombs was called into the meeting for discussion

of System operations in foreign currencies and related matters.

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Prior to this meeting there had been distributed to the Committee

a report on System Open Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign

currencies and on exchange market conditions for the period March 27-April 11,

1962, along with a supplemental report for the period April 12-April 16,

1962.

Copies of these reports have been placed in the files of the Federal

Open Market Committee.

There had also been distributed to the Committee, under date of

April 11, 1962, a copy of the Special Manager's reply dated April 10 to

an inquiry from Mr. Ellis, who had requested further information regarding

recent operations of the Treasury's Stabilization Fund in German marks.

There had likewise been distributed to the Committee,

of April 11,

1962, a memorandum prepared by Mr.

Cashier of the Bank of England,

sations with Messrs.

Young and

Roy Bridge,

under date

Deputy Chief

summarizing his understanding of conver

Coombs regarding technical aspects of a

possible swap arrangement between the Federal Reserve and the Bank of

England.

At the beginning of the discussion, Mr. Mills expressed himself

to the effect that, in light of developments with respect to the System's

program of foreign currency operations and his review of the minutes

pertaining to the discussions of such operations and related matters, he

had almost reached a point where he would be more inclined to delegate

greater authority for those operations to a subcommittee of the Open

Market Committee, in line with one of the alternatives that had been

discussed when the program was under consideration.

He had become

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increasingly apprehensive, from the standpoint of both the Federal Reserve

and foreign central banks that had or might become parties to transactions

with the Federal Reserve, about the involvement in this sensitive area of

as many people as were involved through the consideration of these matters

by the full Open Market Committee and the recording of the Committee's

deliberations.

The response made by Chairman Martin was to the effect that he

would suggest that the Committee feel its way along for the present on

an experimental basis, having in mind considerations such as Mr. Mills

had mentioned.

The Chairman then turned to Mr. Coombs, who commented in supple

mentation of the reports and other material that had been distributed to

the Committee since the March 27 Committee meeting.

Mr. Coombs noted,

among other things, that there had been no System foreign currency

operations during the period since the preceding meeting.

With regard

to his correspondence with Mr. Ellis on the Stabilization Fund operations

in German marks, he indicated that any further comments or questions by

members of the Committee would be welcomed.

He added that the Committee

might want to consider further whether, in the event of short-run

developments in the future comparable to those that had occasioned the

Stabilization Fund operations in German marks,

it would be thought

appropriate to employ the System's holdings of marks in a similar fashion

with a view to moderating temporary market pressures.

With regard to the Bridge memorandum, which was to be used by

Mr. Bridge in briefing Bank of England and British Treasury officials

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regarding a possible Federal Reserve-Bank of England swap arrangement,

Mr. Coombs indicated that he would appreciate having the view of the

Committee as to whether,

arrangement,

in further negotiations relating to such an

Federal Reserve representatives should hold firm to the

principle of swaps at flat rates, with sterling held by the Federal

Reserve placed on a parity earnings-wise with dollars accruing to the

Bank of England.

This would be in contrast to effecting swaps on the

basis of forward rates, with prevailing market rates of interest applied

to any sterling held by the Federal Reserve and dollars held by the Bank

of England.

After some discussion of this point, it was the unanimous view

that in any further negotiations Federal Reserve representatives should

continue to stand on the position they had taken.

Mr. Coombs also commented on developments with respect to the

possibility of a short-term swap arrangement involving the Federal Reserve

and the Swiss National Bank, an integral part of which might be, for

reasons that he indicated, a Swiss-U.S. Treasury arrangement of a

medium-term nature.

After responding to certain questions, he indicated

that he was not in need of instruction from the Committee at this

particular point.

He would propose to listen to any Swiss proposal,

consult with the U.S. Treasury, and report back to the Committee.

Mr. Coombs said that there had been some overtures from Belgian

authorities regarding the possibility of a swap or borrowing arrangement,

but that at this moment an arrangement with the U. S. Treasury seemed a

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somewhat more likely possibility than an arrangement involving the Federal

Reserve.

Mr. Coombs also commented that this week's Treasury statement

would show a reduction in U. S. gold stock of $75 million, and that

prospective orders indicated a further reduction of at least $35 million

by the end of the current month.

Since there had been no System foreign currency transactions

since the Committee meeting on March 27, 1962, no need existed for the

Committee to take action at this meeting to approve, ratify, and confirm

any such transactions.

The meeting then recessed.

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-49The meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee held on

April 17, 1962, reconvened at 1:30 p.m. with the following attendance:

PRESENT:

Mr. Martin, Chairman

Mr. Hayes, Vice Chairman

Mr. Balderston

Mr. Bryan

Mr. Deming

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Ellis

Fulton

King

Mills

Mitchell

Robertson

Shepardson

Messrs. Bopp, Scanlon, Clay, and Irons, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Mr. Swan, President of the Federal Reserve Bank

of San Francisco

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hexter, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Thomas, Economist

Messrs. Brandt, Furth, Garvy, Hostetler,

Noyes, and Willis, Associate Economists

Mr. Rouse, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager for foreign cur

rency operations, System Open Market Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel, Board of Governors

Messrs. Holland, Koch, and Williams, Advisers,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Mr. Knipe, Consultant to the Chairman, Board of

Governors

Mr. Yager, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Messrs. Heflin and Francis, First Vice Presidents

of the Federal Reserve Banks of Richmond and

St. Louis, respectively

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Messrs. Eastburn, Ratchford, Baughman, Jones,

Strothman, Tow, Coldwell, and Einzig,

Vice Presidents of the Federal Reserve

Banks of Philadelphia, Richmond, Chicago,

St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Dallas,

Mr.

and San Francisco, respectively

Sternlight, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

the minutes of the meeting of the Federal

Open Market Committee held on March 6, 1962,

were approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report on open market operations in U. S. Government

securities covering the period March 27 through April 11, 1962, and a

supplementary report covering the period April 12 through April 16, 1962.

Copies of both reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Rouse commented

as follows:

The money market has been generally comfortable during the

period since the last meeting of the Committee. Federal funds

traded for the most part at 2-3/4 or 3 per cent and dealers'

financing needs, which have been swollen by recent additions

to their inventories, have been met without undue difficulty.

(Incidentally, those inventories have reached quite high levels

recently, nearly up to last November's peak.) Yesterday, for

example, when dealers had to pay for their acquisitions of new

one-year bills, a financing need of more than $800 million was

readily accommodated, with the rate on Federal funds lower at

the close of the day than at the opening.

At the same time there has been a sizable expansion of the

reserve base in the recent period. According to the latest

estimates, total reserves in the first three weeks of April

have been averaging about $160 million above the 4 per cent

growth line calculated by the Board staff; during February and

March total reserves averaged about $40 million below that

guideline level.

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-51The recent Treasury financing operation was successful.

The new 3-3/4 per cent bonds of 1968 moved to a premium of

nearly 3/8 of a point in when-issued trading, but with the

announcement of the steel price increase the issue fell back

to par as the entire market weakened. By yesterday it had

regained some of the earlier premium, and closed at par and

3/32. At this point it is still not possible to assess the

impact on the Government securities market of the decision

not to raise steel prices. At least initially, it appears

that the main effect is being exerted not so much by the

rescinding of the price rise but by the manner in which that

reversal came about -- which seemed to put a chill into the

equity market and thereby strengthened the bond markets.

Notwithstanding the good performance of the new Treasury

issue -- particularly in the adverse atmosphere that developed

just after the steel price increases were announced -- there

is

still

a question of whether this offering has provided a

significant test of the underlying strength of the market.

There had in fact been a widespread expectation that the

Treasury was going to take advantage of the recent favorable

atmosphere by selling a new offering of bonds, and the

expectation was that the amount would be larger than $1

billion and that the term might well be longer than the 6-1/3

year maturity that was chosen. By giving the market a smaller

and shorter offering than had been expected, there was naturally

a warm reception and accordingly not a very exacting test.

It thus remains to be seen how strong the market will be

when the Treasury presents its refinancing program toward the

end of this month. In the meantime there will be some further

opportunity to test the market -- first in reacting to the

somewhat better turn of recent business news and second in

responding to the rather large volume of corporate and tax-exempt

issues to be offered in the next few days. As you know, the

Treasury's May 15 maturities total $7.7 billion, of which $5.7

billion are publicly held, while the June maturity -- which

will probably be included in the forthcoming operation amounts to $4 billion, with $3.5 billion publicly held. The

System Account holds $1.8 million of the May 15 maturities and

$360 million of the June bonds. The Treasury will meet with

its advisory committees during the first part of next week and

expects to announce terms on Thursday, April 26.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, the open market transactions in

Government securities during the period

March 27 through April 16, 1962, were ap

proved, ratified, and confirmed.

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-52Mr.

Noyes presented the following statement with respect to

economic developments:

The economic facts just beyond our reach, rather than

those we have at hand,

often seem to be most relevant to a

systematic appraisal of the current economic situation.

Today, when our immediate problem is one of characterizing

the degree of vigor of the current expansion, this seems

especially true. For example, an accurate evaluation of the

strength of markets for residential housing is especially

critical at this stage--and the starts figure for March is

expected at any moment, but is not yet available.

From the

data that is at hand on residential construction, the situation

certainly does not appear strong, but there is room for a

wide range of judgments as to just how weak it is. March

starts will throw some light on what is happening--but I

suspect it will be several months before we see a clear pattern

emerging.

By and large, the further improvement that is reflected

in the March data is reassuring. The one-point gain in

industrial production was broadly based and the recovery in

business equipment was especially gratifying. The increase

in personal income is also impressive.

In the retail area, sales of autos and Easter finery

appear to have been strong, both in March and in the first ten

days of April, despite rainy weather over much of the eastern

half of the country last week. On the other hand, if we

exclude autos, remaining retail sales showed very little

change from February to March, thus leaving some doubt as

to whether we have experienced a fundamental shift in consumer

buying enthusiasm or only another erratic jiggle.

Much the same sort of impression emerges from the data

on employment and unemployment. The small further decline

in unemployment from 5.6 per cent to 5.5 per cent is certainly

welcome--as is the 50,000 increase in nonfarm employment--but

these changes are hardly sufficient to provide a basis for a

substantially more optimistic appraisal of the outlook.

In the wake of one of the most widely noticed price

changes in history and its equally notorious recision, it

seems inadequate to say simply that prices have remained

generally stable in recent weeks, but this is, in fact, the

case. There are no signs of dominant upward price movements,

or of inflationary expectations in markets. Further evidence

of this general attitude is found in the fact that the stock

market has tended to drift downward, and markets for fixed

income securities have been generally strong.

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Taken altogether, the economic picture is not ebullient,

but neither are there signs of weakening--if anything, it

looks a little stronger than it did three weeks ago.

The

major uncertainties are housing, which I mentioned at the

outset; capital expenditures, and consumer spendingespecially for durables other than autos.

With substantial additions to the civilian labor force

in prospect, more and more jobs will be needed to push

unemployment below the present 5-1/2 per cent rate. The

prospect that these jobs will materialize seems to rest

heavily on a revival of both residential and nonresidential

construction, and the collateral demands that would accompany

expansion in these areas. No one can say with certainty

whether this expansion will come--it depends on many factors,

some of a highly subjective nature. It does seem, however,

that the continuation of relatively easy conditions in

credit markets--especially the longer term market--would be

helpful to such expansion.

Turning again to housing for an example, there can be

little

doubt but that renewed lender enthusiasm for GI

mortgages had played an important part in the recent revival

of applications for GI guarantees; and further, that the

availability of homes under this relatively generous program

will attract some buyers who would not otherwise enter the

market. There also can be little doubt that favorable markets

for their securities are encouraging State and local governments

to move ahead with current programs and to push forward their

plans for other needed facilities.

The extent of the economy's response to changes in credit

cost and availability can never be precisely quantified, but

this does appear to be one of the times when the level of

water in the trough is likely to have some effect on the

amount the horses choose to drink.

Mr. Furth presented the following statement with respect to the

U. S. balance of payments and related matters:

Our international deficit rose in March to $360 million,

including net gold sales of $150 million. The figure was

higher than the combined deficits for January and February,

even after making allowance for the effect of the year-end

window dressing operations.

Fragmentary data for the first

if any improvement.

two weeks of April indicate little

We do not yet know the reasons for the size of the March

deficit.

In February, our trade surplus had been very large,

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with exports at a record annual rate of nearly $22 billion

(seasonally adjusted) and imports remaining at an annual rate

of $15-3/4 billion. We may suspect that the trade surplus

was not so large in March--a suspicion based on the consider

ation that some of the February increases in exports, such as

commercial aircraft, military goods, and agricultural products,

probably were of a temporary nature. Indicators of machinery

exports, however, remain encouraging.

Our capital outflow was lower than during the fourth

quarter of 1961, but it remained high even though the covered

interest-rate differential between New York and London showed

a sizable advantage in favor of New York. Japan again was

the largest single borrower, drawing mainly on commitments

made last year. The attractiveness of the New York market

for foreign borrowers, both as to trade credits and bond issues,

probably rests as much on its technical facilities, its freedom

from restrictions, and its depth, breadth, and resilience as

on the level of its interest rates. This makes it difficult

to eliminate an outflow of capital without destroying those

features that make the United States the financial center and

leader of the free world.

The international situation continues to present about the

same picture as for the last three months or so: continuing

boom in Continental Europe, little if any advance in other

industrial countries, and inflationary trouble in many less

developed areas. The German balance-of-payments surplus is

smaller than a year ago but many other European countries con

tinue to gain reserves.

German officials showed increased preoccupation with domestic

price and wage increases and the possibility of an international

deficit. Although Germany still

has a trade surplus of $1 billion

annual rate, even as cool-headed and internationally-minded men as

Minister Erhardt and President Blessing have been talking as if

Germany were about to become uncompetitive internationally. This

sort of talk could have serious consequences for our payments

situation: if Germany were to resume restrictive monetary policies,

we should again face the prospect of large movements of funds into

Germany,

including movements from the United States.

Moreover,

by pressing upon the dollar-mark exchange rate, such capital move

ments might well increase international market uncertainties

about the dollar.

On international gold and exchange markets, earlier improve

Only the gold

ments in dollar exchange rates have not continued.

market has been satisfactory, with the price slightly lower than

three weeks ago; even there, demand seems to have increased

these last few days.

-55Sterling remains very strong, in spite of the successive re

ductions in Bank Rate, and the United Kingdom continues to accumu

late dollars and to convert them into gold. Only a sale of gold

to the United States by a hard-pressed Latin American country

prevented our gold stock from declining further last week.

The German mark and the Swiss franc have quite recently moved

up, possibly in connection with the steel price flurry. The

Netherlands guilder was even stronger, perhaps in expectation of

a flow of dollars to the Netherlands resulting from the forth

coming increase in the capital of the Philips Lamp Corporation.

With the French franc and the Italian lira continuing

at the ceiling, all major European currencies are again

distinctly above par against the dollar, and we have been

disappointed in hopes that we could pick up a few currencies

at or below par to add to our small foreign exchange hold

ings for use on a rainy day.

Mr. Thomas presented the following statement with respect to

credit developments:

Banking and credit developments during the past three

or four weeks have shown some contrasts to those in the period

preceding the last meeting of the Committee. Reserve avail

ability and total bank credit have both increased more than

seasonally, whereas previously the reserve supply had been

more restricted. While time deposits at banks have continued

to increase, demand deposits have also increased, following

several weeks of little change or decline. Required reserves

have increased, after seasonal adjustment, and this demand

has kept the short-term money market under some pressure.

Yields on three-month Treasury bills continued to fluc

tuate within a narrow range, while yields on longer-term issues

Yields

declined further to the lowest levels since last summer.

on new issues of corporate bonds have recently been lower than

those on seasoned issues.

Yields on tax-exempt securities,

largely under the pressure of demands from banks, have remained

at the low levels reached earlier. Even mortgage rates have

tended to decline slightly, and FNMA has become a net seller

of insured mortgages.

It seems evident that some fundamental forces are working

toward reducing the general level of interest rates. The

decline in long-term and medium-term rates in recent weeks

has occurred notwithstanding some increase, though moderate,

in

economic activity and in borrowing.

New capital issues by corporations and by States and

local governments have been in relatively larger volume and

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the calendar for April is large. The Treasury has reduced

its debt less than is usual for the first quarter of the year.

Bank loans did not show the usual seasonal decrease in the

first quarter of this year, notwithstanding a sizable increase

in December, and bank holdings of securities other than

Governments have increased more this year than in the same

period of any other year.

Steadiness in short-term Treasury bill rates, while other

rates declined, may be attributed in large part to the weekly

increases in the offerings of three-month bills, which have by

now aggregated over $1 billion. Federal Reserve policy of

combatting any tendencies for short-term bill rates to decline

has also been a factor. Recent increases in required reserves

have put some pressure on the market. Federal funds have

generally continued in the 2-3/4 to 3 per cent range, and

banks' lending rates to dealers have been at 3 to 3-1/4 per

cent, as dealers' holdings of bills have increased to

near-record levels.

With respect to the immediate situation, in the first

two weeks of April, according to partial data, total credit

expansion at city banks was negligible, following a substantial

increase in March. Business loans declined less than usual,

following a normal increase in March, while loans to finance

companies, which increased considerably in March, declined

more than usual in the first two weeks of April. Real estate

and consumer loans continued to increase, while loans on

securities declined. Holdings of securities other than

Governments showed a further sharp rise, while holdings of

Governments continued to decline.

Increases in time deposits seem to have slackened somewhat

in April, reflecting actual decreases at New York City banks.

U.S. Government deposits, which had increased in March,

declined sharply in the first two weeks of April. Private

demand deposits, however, increased in the last part of March

and have held the increase. This would indicate a seasonally

adjusted increase in the money supply after several weeks of

little change.

Bank reserves have been somewhat more plentifully

available relative to demands during the past three weeks than

they were during most of March.

At the same time seasonally

adjusted required reserves have increased substantially and

are now at a higher level than at any time, except temporarily

in the week ending January 4. At the same time total reserves

have increased even more and free reserves have been around

$450 million or more, compared with a March average of $375

million.

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The Federal Reserve has supplied reserves through fairly

large open market operations, more than offsetting drains

from currency demands and foreign operations. Because of

increased reserve needs, these purchases by the System have

been possible without bringing about a decline in short-term

interest rates. This week System holdings are being reduced

largely through retirement of repurchase contracts. Moderate

purchases will be needed in subsequent weeks to cover expansion

in required reserves and varying drains on the supply of

reserves.

Continuation of interest rates, other than the shortest

money-market rates, at relatively low levels, notwithstanding

maintenance of a fairly steady level of short-term rates, has

a bearing upon the determination of current monetary policy.

Perhaps the most plausible explanation is an increase in

financial saving relative to borrowing demands. The unprece

dentedly large increase in commercial bank time deposits since

the first of the year has been accompanied by little reduction

in the rate of accumulation of other financial assets. Demand

deposits, to be sure, have declined somewhat more than usual,

and on a seasonally adjusted basis may be little larger than

they were in the first half of December. But this lack of

growth is hardly sufficient to account for the expansion in

time deposits.

The apparent increase in saving is consistent with the

slow rate of economic advance in the past few months. The

underlying causes of increased saving and a slower rate of

growth in spending for consumption and investment are matters

of judgment. In any event the situation is not one that

justifies

administrative increases in

prices of steel, nor

is it one that tends to stimulate over-investment or speculative

excesses.

Hence, any tightening of restraints on bank credit

expansion can still await definite indications that credit

and monetary expansion is becoming excessive.

Mr. Hayes presented the following statement of his views on the

business outlook and credit policy:

It would hardly be possible to comment on the business

situation without some mention of last week's dramatic steel

price episode, I am sure all of us felt that the price rise

announcement introduced important new uncertainties into an

already uncertain outlook. Certainly the decision to rescind

the price increase was a most welcome event, even though the

controversy pointed up various weaknesses in American industry not confined to the steel industry -- that still

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solution. I am thinking of the need for greater investment

in the most modern equipment, for which the answer may lie

mainly in more enlightened tax policies.

But this is probably

not an area where monetary policy can make a very major

contribution. At the same time, we can breathe a sigh of

relief at the removal of what might well have been a strong

stimulus to a revival of inflationary tendencies in the

country's economy. At least this unfortunate episode had the

merit of focusing the attention of the entire country on price

stability as a vital national goal and demonstrating that this

goal enjoys widespread public support.

As we look at the business situation, apart from this

temporary disturbing element, we can find more definite signs

of improvement than were available at the last meeting.

Consumer buying, in particular, has strengthened markedly,

with both automobile and department store sales picking up

briskly in March and in the first

part of April. Industrial

production and construction contracts and permits also registered

further gains. However, even if economic activity accelerates

in the coming months, the unemployment situation will probably

remain a serious problem, especially since the recent decline

in the labor force will probably give way to a resumption of

growth in the labor force. Hard core unemployment has not

changed significantly in recent months, and actually rose

somewhat in March.

Turning to the statistics on credit, I am struck by the

large gain in total commercial bank credit both in March and

over the whole period since the February 1961 business trough.

The 8.2 per cent rise in that period was well above the

increases registered in the comparable phase of the 1954-55

and 1958-59 expansions, and the gap has been growing wider

each month. It is true that this disparity has been due

entirely to the behavior of investments and not to loan demand,

which has been at best moderate in the last month or so,

especially in the business loan category. Much of the recent

sharp rise in bank investments has consisted of other than

Government securities. The relatively modest rise of 2.4 per

cent in the money supply since the February trough should be

viewed in the light of the 16 per cent rise in time deposits

in the same period. The 7.3 per cent increase in total liquid

asset holdings of the public since the February trough is

somewhat greater than in the comparable period of each of the

two earlier expansions. Bank liquidity, as measured by the

ratio of liquid assets to deposits, remains ample both in New

York and outside of that city.

Meanwhile, the balance-of-payments situation remains

serious and shows further signs of deterioration. I realize

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of the New York Bank's presentation for many meetings past,

and there may be some members of the Committee who feel that

we are unduly alarmist. But the fact that the country has

so far avoided a major international payments crisis should

give no feeling of assurance that our warnings have been

inappropriate and our fears exaggerated -- for this country's

ability to withstand heavy deficits and accompanying gold

drains is not unlimited, and we have yet to see any convincing

evidence of a real turn in the tide. There is little comfort

in the first quarter deficit, which was at the annual rate of

about $2-1/4 billion, i.e., considerably more than that of the

first quarter of 1961. And I think it should raise a question

in the minds of the monetary authorities, particularly in view

of the fact that this deficit occurred in spite of a sizable

improvement in the merchandise trade balance in February.

Bank loans to foreigners and foreign capital issues in the

United States market are becoming an increasing element in

the payments drain. A Japanese loan and an International

Bank bond issue loomed large in the first quarter -- and

special transactions of similar and even greater manitude,

especially in the area of long-term official borrowings in

this market, are already planned for the second quarter.

of our officers had an opportunity recently to talk with

One

several officers of the foreign departments of New York banks

as to what lies behind the hectic pace of short-term capital

outflows in this country. My associate was impressed by the

virtual unanimity among these bankers on one point -- the

dominant role of the banks' relatively easy reserve position

in causing them to reach out for foreign loans.

Incidentally,

I have been interested to see that the recent statistics on

total reserves have indicated that they are well ahead of

the informal guideline of a 4 per cent annual growth rate

since November which has been discussed from time to time in

these meetings.

In our policy deliberations, we must naturally give

consideration to the Treasury's impending financing program,

which suggests the need for preserving an "even keel" during

a period commencing about a week from now and extending into

the latter part of May. While I feel that neither the length

of time available to us for near-term actionnor the present

state of the domestic economy would warrant any dramatic change

in policy at this meeting, I do believe that the ample liquidity

clearly visible in the economy, coupled with the recent signs

of a somewhat improved rate of business expansion, would warrant

our placing a little more emphasis on the very troublesome and

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perplexing international aspects of our problem. With this in

view, I think we should seek a somewhat higher market rate

structure, with the 90-day Treasury bill

rate in the 2-3/4 to

3 per cent range -- preferably nearer the upper end of this

range. It would seem to me quite appropriate to permit free

reserves to average somewhat lower than they have in recent

months in order to achieve a moderately firmer rate structure

and a little

less feeling of ease on the part of the banks.

If the Committee should agree on such a policy, I would think

that the wording of the directive might be modified accordingly.

I should think it

would be desirable for the directive to take

cognizance of the steel price episode and the growing need to

encourage firmness in short-term interest rates. There would

seem to be no need at this time to consider a change in the

discount rate.

Mr. Bryan said that available figures for the Sixth District

were climbing upward quite uniformly but, like the national figures, did

not seem to indicate any boom.

As to monetary policy, Mr. Bryan said

be saw no reason for any essential change.

Total reserves were approximately

on the projected guideline at present and, beyond adjusting for seasonal

influences and allowing for some growth factor, he would make no change

at this time.

Neither would he recommend any change in the discount

rate.

Mr. Bopp reported that the economy of the Third District was

following the same general trend as the national economy.

In February

most of the indicators reflected either sluggish advances or actual

declines.

The limited information for March suggested that conditions

had improved.

Yet unemployment was still relatively high--9 of the

13 areas reporting in February had unemployment rates greater than the

nation's--and there was no evidence of vigorous growth in the Third

District economy.

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Similarly, the banking scene had been relatively placid.

had been in a comfortable reserve position.

still

Banks

Their time deposits were

going up rapidly and their demand deposits had stopped falling.

The most noteworthy development was a fairly sharp increase in business

loans which, so far, seemed to be faster than seasonal and faster than

the increase nationally.

Until recently, loans had been lagging behind

the United States.

The implications of this for policy seemed to him to be clear

cut, Mr. Bopp said.

The pace of economic expansion was not rapid

enough to risk any lessening of ease.

He would make no change in the

discount rate, and the current policy directive issued three weeks ago

was, in his opinion, still quite appropriate.

Mr. Fulton reported that the complexion of business activity in

the Fourth District had changed somewhat for the better in recent weeks

despite curtailment of steel production.

in consumer-related fields and employment.

Most of the brighter news was

Construction was up, with

the emphasis on residential building, not single dwellings but apartment

buildings with many small suites.

Mr. Fulton then commented on the steel situation, noting that

the recent price episode was distressing in the Fourth District and

that the implications for the future were not yet clear.

Some cooling-off

period might be necessary before an unbiased appraisal could be made.

Order cancellations and delivery deferments were said to be quite heavy,

with some companies reporting more cancellations than new orders.

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Inventories that had been built

up beyond current needs probably would

be liquidated before substantial new orders were placed.

Steel output

for the first quarter of this year was around 31 million tons, with the

second and third quarters estimated at 25 and 23 million tons,

respectively,

tons.

and the fourth quarter placed hopefully at 27 million

This would make a total of 106 million tons for the year, compared

with 98 in 1961.

Despite recent developments, the steel companies

apparently intended to go forward with their plans for plant and

equipment improvement.

One company that accounted for 2 per cent of

total steel tonnage was planning to spend around $140 million for

expansion, of which $100 million would be borrowed money.

This program

would increase capacity, enable greater flexibility of product mix, and

increase tonnage considerably.

At the same time, manpower requirements

would decline, thus illustrating the difficulty of the employment

problem.

Insured unemployment in the District showed a marked decline after

mid-March, but 8 of the 14 major labor market areas were still classified

as having 6 per cent or more unemployment.

Plant and equipment expendi

tures nationally were expected to be up about 8 per cent from 1961, but

one company in the District had indicated that its expenditures would be

divided about 60 per cent abroad and 40 per cent in the United States.

Department store trade in the District had improved recently, but

for the year to date was only about 1 per cent ahead of a year ago, com

pared with a national average gain of 3 per cent.

Bank loans had increased,

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but then declined again in

the latest week.

All in all, the District was

progressing, but not rapidly.

As to policy, Mr. Fulton concluded that the present posture con

tinued to be appropriate.

The degree of availability of reserves to the

banking system seemed suitable to the economic situation, and he would

contemplate free reserves of around $400 million.

a change in

He would not recommend

the discount rate, and in his opinion the existing current

policy directive was still appropriate.

Mr. Mitchell noted that this was a period when it was difficult

to judge the strength of consumer demand.

Data on housing starts for March

were not yet available, and in view of the date of Easter this year it

would probably be necessary to total the months of March and April to

understand what consumers were doing.

Although automobile sales were en

couraging,consumer behavior was still somewhat on the uncertain side, and

the reaction of the business community to consumer behavior was something

that could not be appraised at this time.

As to the international situation, Mr. Mitchell expressed the

view that there may have been a tendency at Committee meetings to "cry

wolf" too often.

The Open Market Committee has been fully alerted to the

potential seriousness of the problem.

In recent and current actions, the

Treasury and the Ccmmittee are bringing into being structural monetary

defenses against any sudden deterioration in the position of the dollar.

These steps should strengthen confidence as well as provide a backstop

for any adverse developments.

At the moment it seemed to him that the

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Committee's primary allegiance should be to the internal situation and

that whatever influence the Committee could exert should be directed to

ward encouraging expansion of domestic activity.

It was his conclusion

that the existing policy directive should be renewed and that the degree

of ease should continue to be about the same as at present.

Mr. King said that he would agree generally with Mr. Mitchell.

The covered interest rate differential was favorable to New York as against

London, but this did not appear to be having any marked effect, and he did

not feel that the situation argued strongly in favor of a larger differen

tial.

In summary, he felt it appropriate to continue monetary policy ap

proximately as at present.

While he was not entirely comfortable in this

position, he did not know of anything better to suggest.

Mr. Shepardson said that in his view the international situation

continued to be of serious concern.

It seemed to him that the prospective

figures on the Federal budget did not lend much encouragement from that

standpoint.

However, he did not believe that a change in monetary

policy would be constructive at this time.

As to total reserves, he

would prefer to stay within the 4 per cent growth line rather than to

run much above it.

Otherwise, the Committee might well continue for

the next three weeks on the present basis.

Mr. Robertson presented the following statement of his views:

It is gratifying to observe some moderate upward movement

in the latest readings of a number of business indicators.

Only further experience can show to what extent such movements

are more than an unseasonally good sequel to the depressing

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effects of an unseasonally bad winter.

In the meantime,

however, monetary policy has the chance to create a climate

of credit availability conducive to further business

expansion,

and I think it

should do so.

Any prospects for

near-term price inflation have certainly been dampened by

the steel price roll-back. Productive resources continue

underutilized, and the improvement in our balance-of-payments

position since last fall has lessened the constraints upon

policy from this quarter.

With free reserves moving back up to what I would regard

as more desirable levels, we have begun once more to achieve

some increase in money supply along with the continuing rise

in time deposits. We should not overestimate the stimulative

effect of the recent moderately higher free reserve figures;

the substantial advance shown in required reserves behind

private deposits in the latest two weeks was abetted by a

large but temporary shift of deposits from government to

Nonetheless, an underlying movement of

private hands.

monetary and credit expansion was apparent and took place

without untoward reaction upon money market interest rates.

All this evidence seems to me to argue for a continuation

of the somewhat easier monetary policy of the last three

weeks - with a free reserve target in the neighborhood of

$450 million.

A time like this also offers an opportunity to move

away from the fixation with short-term interest rates that

remains in the directive. The longer we preserve the

appearance of a stabilizing operation - if not an outright

peg - in the three-month bill

rate, the more difficulties

are likely to arise in eventually trying to move away from

Accordingly, I would suggest that we eliminate the last

it.

provision of the current directive relating to short-term

rates, and thus arrive at a directive to the Manager over

the next three weeks that speaks unequivocally of the reserve

availability he is

to foster.

With respect to the last clause in the first

paragraph of the

directive, which called for giving recognition to the need to maintain

a viable international payments system, Mr. Robertson said he was

unable to see how this clause was pertinent to the conduct of open

market operations.

The directive should call for recognizing the

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country's adverse balance of payments, but in his opinion the balance

of the sentence was out of place.

Mr. Mills said nothing had occurred since the previous Committee

meeting to alleviate his concern about the plight that had developed

from what he considered to have been faulty policies,

relating

particularly to the stabilizing, or pegging, of the three-month Treasury

bill rate.

In exposition of his views, Mr. Mills presented the

following statement:

The monetary and credit policy sponsored by a majority

of the members of the Federal Open Market Committee over

many months past can best be described by the word "drift."

Allegiance to the concept of a free market has been implicitly

disavowed and a controlled money market has been substituted

that has an artifically produced interest rate structure as

its purpose. Financial markets are "drifting" without the

benefit of the kind of direction that should be forthcoming

from a current in interest rates developed out of natural mar

ket forces that serve to allocate available funds to their most

constructive economic uses.

The Committee will not be burdened with a repetition of

my previous adjurations of the need for policy changes. Suf

fice it to say that the difficulties of making corrective

policy adjustments will be compounded in proportion to the

length of time that the need for change is left unattended to.

As a case in point, the compacting of the interest rate curve,

as reflection of Federal Reserve System policy actions, has

undoubtedly been a cause of the unusually heavy dealer positions

in U. S. Treasury bills. Repeated public statements from

authoritative sources proclaiming an easy credit policy, and

accompanied by clearly observable policy intentions to peg the

floor for U. S. Treasury bill yields, has understandably encouraged

dealers to position U.

S. Treasury bills

in

very substantial

volume with the riskless speculation that the passage of

time will lower the yields of their longer-term holdings

as they approach maturity and permit their sale at a capital

gain. Similarly, repeated instances in which the System Open

Market Account has acquired longer-term U. S. Government

securities out of dealer holdings when it has been desired to

supply reserves without putting downward pressure on U. S.

Treasury bill rates has offered the dealers a certain and

profitable outlet for such securities. This is not a desirable

or becoming situation for the Committee to have been drawn

into.

Moreover, if

a still easier credit policy should

be ill-advisedly undertaken, the U. S. Government securities

dealers would automatically be tendered handsome windfall profits.

The inconsistencies and pitfalls of Federal Reserve System

policy actions can be traced in still

other directions. Com

mercial bank investments in longer-term fixed interest obliga

tions and in real estate mortgage loans in order to earn back

the cost of higher rates of interest paid on time and savings

deposits, and an extension of the maturities in their U. S.

Government securities investments for similar reasons, with

the encouragement of public officials, are reducing their

liquidity at a time when high loan-to-deposit ratios give

eloquent evidence of the undesirability of such actions. A

future change in Federal Reserve System monetary and credit

policy from ease to restraint under these circumstances can

go beyond any beneficial effects obtainable by locking the

commercial banks into their investments because of heavy

depreciation, and to the point of choking off an appropriate

degree of credit availability. This kind of development

would be aggravated still further if at such a juncture a

massive shift from time to demand deposits should occur, sub

jecting the commercial banks to the discipline of much higher

required reserves.

More moderate Federal Reserve System policy actions

aligned to the principles of a free market would have avoided

the existing and potential problems that have been detailed.

A crying need for policy changes continues. The approaching

and recurrent financing needs of the U. S. Treasury make their

adoption well-nigh impossible at the present time and also hinder

the kinds of actions called for by our balance-of-payments

problems. I believe, therefore, that there is now no choice

but to continue present policies for a further period, knowing

the dangers involved and, in the meanwhile, seeking every oppor

tunity for making realistic policy changes.

Mr. Clay commented that the real question concerning the domestic

economy continued to be the pace of its upward movement.

While it seemed

likely that expansion would continue in the months ahead, it was difficult

to construct a convincing case for a vigorous upswing despite the

improvement of recent weeks.

Analysis of prospective developments

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in the various sectors of demand did not point to the aggregate expan

sion in economic activity that would be necessary for a satisfactory

utilization of manpower and other resources.

This situation existed at

a time when several important measures of economic activity had shown

only modest improvement for many months.

The Committee had followed an expansionary monetary policy through

out the period of the current business upswing, and economic conditions

appeared to call for continuation of such a policy.

In view of the

moderate rate at which economic activity had been expanding for several

months, however, the Committee might well give particular attention to

encouraging some further downward movement in long-term interest rates.

The formulation of appropriate monetary policy for domestic con

siderations had been handicapped throughout the current business upswing

by the international balance-of-payments problem.

Policy with respect

to the Treasury bill rate for international considerations prevented

that rate from falling very low even during the recession and had been

a major factor in its level ever since.

Indirectly, that policy not

only had affected other short-term market rates but also had been an

important factor in the relatively high level of long-term interest

rates despite moderate Federal Reserve open market purchases of longer

maturities of Treasury issues.

Under present conditions in the domestic economy, Mr. Clay said,

it would appear desirable for long-term interest rates in the various

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sectors of the financial markets to decline to somewhat lower levels

for the added stimulus that they might give to important sectors of

economic activity.

Money and capital markets already had responded to

business and financial news by adjusting interest rates downward in

recent weeks, except for the 90-day Treasury bill rate that had been

influenced by Federal Reserve and Treasury operations.

Underlying

forces in financial markets might favor an extension of this tendency

without any added encouragement other than continuation of the current

degree of ease.

It was not possible at this time to gauge the strength

of the forces that were moving long-term interest rates to lower levels.

In his opinion, the Committee should view this development in long-term

interest rates favorably and should stand ready to give encouragement

through open market operations to a continuation of this trend.

This

development would be facilitated if purchases of coupon issues made to

offset Treasury bill sales, or to supply additional reserves, were made

in long maturities as distinct from short-term coupon issues.

In view of current economic developments, Mr. Clay recommended

no change in the Reserve Bank discount rate.

Mr. Scanlon said that Seventh District economic news since the

date of the previous Committee meeting had been almost uniformly good.

The opinion was firming that the year 1962 would see a continuous improve

ment in activity.

Some observers had a tendency to revise downward their

original projections for the year as a whole, but this was not universal.

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Increased strength had appeared in consumer buying, Mr. Scanlon

said.

As to steel, his comments would be generally similar to those of

Mr. Fulton.

Although the settlement of the steel price controversy had

resulted in some requests for deferment of deliveries, local sources

indicated that there was no rush to cancel orders.

Automobile sales

were up in March, and many firms had scheduled additional overtime.

outlook for the second quarter was for 1.8 million new car sales.

The

With

projections of 1.4 million and 1.56 million for the third and fourth

quarters, respectively, the total for the year would be slightly over

6.3 million, exclusive of about 340,000 imports.

If these estimates were

correct, new car sales would be about 14 per cent greater than in 1961.

Department store sales had been strong in recent weeks, and

construction contract awards for the first two months of this year were

17 per cent above the high level of a year ago.

There has been no great

change in residential building in the District despite the availability

of mortgage money and slightly lower interest rates.

Electric power use

by industrial firms showed little change from January to February, but

was far above the levels of a year ago in all centers.

As to banking developments,

business loans rose 5 per cent from

February to March, while consumer loans remained sluggish.

There was a

rise in mortgage holdings, affected by one large transaction at a Detroit

bank.

Interest rates continued easy, at approximately the same level as

in the early part of 1961.

Reserve pressures incident to the April 1 Cook

County personal property tax date had largely abated.

The basic reserve

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deficit of Chicago banks dropped from $371 million to less than $100

million in the past two weeks.

Over all, Mr. Scanlon said, the trend of business activity seemed

to be one of modest improvement.

In view of the absence of pressures

on manpower or plant capacity, and in light of the moderate nature of

credit demands, he would make no change in monetary policy at the present

time.

the first

Like Mr. Robertson, he had some question about the last clause in

paragraph of the current policy directive.

However,

he would

not be inclined to make a change in the directive at the present time.

Neither would he recommend any change in the discount rate.

Mr. Deming reported that despite adverse weather, Ninth District

economic trends seemed to be tracking those of the nation, perhaps showing

a bit more than national average strength.

With prospects for a more

orderly iron ore shipping season than had been characteristic

of the past

few years, a 60 to 65 million ton shipments total was estimated for this

year, perhaps 10 million tons more than last year but some 20 to 25

million tons smaller than the best years.

Still, if shipments this year

fulfilled expectations, the iron ore year would be the best in the past

five.

Mr. Deming noted that the Minneapolis Bank, following the lead of

the Richmond Bank, had developed a panel of strategically located bankers

and businessmen who were well informed on local conditions and gave the

Bank their opinion as to the course of economic developments in their

areas over the next several weeks.

as follows:

The results of a recent sampling were

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Stability at present levels

Some improvement probable

Improvement fairly certain

Some decline probable

In the first

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quarter, Mr. Deming continued, city bank loans

increased more in dollar volume than in any other first

past 12 years.

quarter in

The gain in dollars, however, was approached in

the

the first

quarters of both 1955 and 1959, and in percentages those quarters showed

slightly bigger gains than the 1962 first

quarter.

seemed to be performing in about the usual fashion.

Loans at country banks

Loan-deposit ratios

at both classes of banks continued lower than the loan behavior would suggest,

simply because deposits had fallen far less than seasonally, reflecting

very strong time deposit gains.

time deposits in the first

At city banks the percentage increase of

quarter was larger than in any other district.

At country banks the gains had been about the same as the national average.

Turning to the national picture, Mr. Deming said he shared to a

degree some of the concern that had been expressed by Mr. Mills.

Taking

the conventionally defined money supply and time deposits combined, the

growth in the first quarter of this year was significantly larger than in

the first

quarter of any of the past 12 years.

This had added substantially

to bank liquidity; the decline in long-term interest rates might indicate

that banks had somewhat more money than they needed.

New York and Chicago

banks had representatives in the Ninth District hunting for loans, and it

had been inferred that they were also looking for loans abroad.

The

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current degree of liquidity, coupled with the pressure for higher earnings,

had evidently pushed the banks into somewhat more aggressive action, and

this could lead to some difficulty.

situation that had developed.

He was also concerned about the dealer

In view of the forthcoming Treasury financ

ing, along with the uncertainties in the current economic situation result

ing from the recent steel price episode, he would recommend no change in

monetary policy at the present time.

This recommendation did not make

him particularly happy, however, and he agreed with Mr. Mills that the

Committee should be

thinking about what changes in policy might be

made as soon as there was freedom to move.

He would not change the

current policy directive at this time, except perhaps to take account

of the forthcoming Treasury financing program.

While he had some sympathy

with Mr. Robertson's point about the clause in the first paragraph of the

directive that called for giving recognition to the need to maintain a

viable international payments system, he was inclined to feel that it

would cause more trouble to take the clause out than to leave it in the

directive.

He would not recommend changing the discount rate at this time.

Mr. Swan reported that the Twelfth District situation had continued

to improve, but that the latest figures reflected some crosscurrents.

The

Los Angeles-Long Beach area--the largest labor market in the Districtrecently was reclassified from an area of substantial unemployment to one

of moderate unemployment.

At the same time, however, it appeared from

incomplete figures that the unemployment rate in the Pacific Coast states

may have risen fractionally in March.

If so, this would reflect a slight

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decline in farm employment in Washington and, in California, a larger

increase in the labor force than in employment.

Automobile and department store sales had been strong.

In steel,

the District was not important compared to the Fourth and Seventh Districts,

but there was a lesser decline in production after the end of the wage

negotiations than nationally, probably reflecting differences in product

demands.

With more concentration in the Twelfth District on construction

steel, tin plate, and pipe, one would expect a seasonal pickup in any

event.

In lumber, the over-all situation had not changed much, but the

movement of new orders and output in Western pine was relatively favor

able compared to recent months, considerably more so than in the case of

Douglas fir.

In combination, there had been a slight upward price move

ment.

District banks were still

in a surplus position.

They continued

to be net sellers of Federal funds, and borrowings from the Reserve Bank

were nominal.

In the three weeks ended April 4, loans and investments of

weekly reporting banks increased.

There was a rather sizable increase

in holdings of other than U. S. Government securities, which was in

line

with the tendency on the part of some banks to go into State and local

government issues.

The dollar figures reflected some acquisitions of

shorter-term public housing securities, particularly by one large bank.

Mr. Swan commented that the over-all situation seemed to be one

of considerable uncertainty, even with the continuation of some improve

ment in business activity.

In the present circumstances, it

seemed to

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him that the System should not add to the uncertainties by making any

particular change in monetary policy.

Rather, it

should continue to

supply reserves in amounts somewhat greater than seasonally required.

Continuation of such a policy would suggest free reserves of around $450

million, with a bill

rate around or somewhat below 2-3/4 per cent.

The im

minance of Treasury financing would seem to support the maintenance of

an even keel, and in any event this would be consistent with his inter

pretation of what was required by the business situation.

He would not

recommend a change in the discount rate, and he would continue the

existing directive, with possibly a reference to the Treasury financing.

Like Mr. Robertson, he had some question about the clause in the direc

tive that called for giving recognition to the need for maintaining a

viable international payments system.

Mr. Irons indicated that there was continuing improvement in

several areas of the Eleventh District economy, with some signs of in

creasing capital expenditures.

Construction was at a record high in March,

with particular concentration in the major cities.

in March.

Employment was higher

As to retail sales, he would prefer to wait and look at March

and April together.

However,

recent coments by leading retail trade

people indicated that they were encouraged by the current level of depart

ment store sales.

The agricultural situation was generally favorable,

but crude oil production was still

down.

Altogether, while it was rather

difficult to distinguish seasonal from cyclical trends, conditions were

generally satisfactory.

Businessmen seemed to be satisfied, with no

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pessimism or great concern detected.

Business was good in all of the

major centers of the District, with Houston verging on boom conditions.

On the financial side

bank loans and investments were up, demand

deposits were down, and time deposits continued to rise substantially.

The banks reported a considerable degree of liquidity, and funds were

readily available to meet appropriate loan requests.

Banks were tending

to invest in longer-term securities in an effort to cover the higher

rates of interest paid on savings deposits.

Bank was nominal.

Borrowing from the Reserve

Sales of Federal funds had been averaging a little

higher than purchases, with all but a couple of the city banks being net

sellers more often than net purchasers.

As to policy considerations, Mr. Irons said he believed there had

been an improving business situation.

Activity appeared to be moving

Despite some un

ahead a little each month, and on quite a solid basis.

certainties, the economy seemed to be moving forward.

He was inclined to

feel that the providing of reserves may have been a little

side.

It

on the liberal

was his impression that banks, insurance companies,

and savings

and loan associations were looking hard and far to do something with their

money.

Further, he doubted whether additional reserves, if

supplied,

would be a strong stimulative force, and the balance of payments was still

a major problem, the importance of which should not be minimized.

However,

in the period ahead there would be Treasury financing, so he would suggest

that the Committee continue essentially the policy that it

had been fol

lowing, with a leaning toward slightly less ease if that could be accom

plished without overt or direct action.

If free reserves should drop

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to $250 million, he would not buy securities quickly to push them up to

$400 or $450 million; instead, he would wait for a day or so and see what

happened.

This was not to say that he was advocating a policy of less ease

at this time, with the Treasury coming to market and a number of uncertain

ties in the picture.

However,

would not be disturbed if

if

circumstances should so develop,

he

free reserves were to drop somewhat below the

levels at which they had been running.

Mr. Irons said he would not suggest changing the current policy

directive at this time.

He did not consider it

necessary to insert

language regarding the Treasury financing; everyone was aware of the

situation, and such reference would subsequently have to be deleted.

Further, he would not favor changing the directive in any way that would

seem to lessen the importance of the international situation.

He would

not recommend any change in the discount rate.

Mr. Ellis said he saw no changes in the regional or national

economic situation of such nature as to require extended comment.

Boston Reserve Bank's recent Regional Outlook Conference,

At the

there was a

tendency on the part of the participants to back away from the earlier

degree of optimism somewhat.

Their estimates for gross national product

in the fourth quarter were now around an annual rate of $570 billion.

Current evidence suggested that trade and service activities in New England

were probably stronger than manufacturing activities.

Automobile sales

and department store sales were well ahead of a year ago, and also ahead

of the comparable pre-Easter weeks in 1960.

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Loan demand in the latter part of March caused the gain for that

month as a whole to be the largest in several years.

Reports for recent

weeks seemed to indicate some slowing down in the rate of growth of time

and savings deposits, which rate had previously exceeded the national

average.

Turning to policy, Mr. Ellis said that although he shared some

of the concern expressed by Mr. Mills regarding the degree of liquidity

of the banking system, he felt that the System could have done no less

than it

did if

it wanted to use monetary policy effectively.

He concluded

that the policy of recent months and weeks had quite properly been

stimulative.

While the banks had more reserves than they needed,

almost the definition of a stimulating policy.

Further, it

that was

would also be

appropriate, in his opinion, to continue the stimulating effect of mone

tary policy for the immediate future.

There was some evidence that the

next turn in policy might be in the direction of a little

this did not seem to be the time for such a change.

lines, it

less ease, but

In terms of guide

seemed appropriate to continue to support a growth trend of

around 4 per cent in total reserves, and to aim for free reserves in the

neighborhood of $400 million, with the short-term bill

rate at about 2-3/4

per cent and Federal funds in the same area.

On the directive, Mr. Ellis recalled that the phrase with respect

to maintaining a viable international payments system was introduced at a

time when the System was moving into foreign currency operations.

While

he held no particular brief for the specific wording, he considered it

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important not to weaken the recognition given to international aspects

of the current situation.

Like Mr. Irons, he would look with disfavor on

a general policy of injecting standard language into the directive in ad

vance of each Treasury financing and deleting the language thereafter.

Mr. Francis reported that Eighth District conditions had not changed

a great deal since the previous Committee meeting.

continued about level.

Total business activity

Manufacturing activity was up somewhat,

manufacturing employment had not gained.

but total

Bank debits for the first quarter

were about equal to the last quarter of 1961.

As in the nation, unemloy

ment was declining slightly, but over-all employment had not gained.

Construction contract awards were down somewhat.

Farm income was a little

better thus far this year than a year ago, primarily because of late

marketing of some of the 1961 crops and a slight increase in prices over

the comparable period a year ago.

Mr. Heflin said that business activity in the Fifth District

continued at a fairly high level, and without any indications of signifi

cant change.

There was no definite evidence of weakness, but at the same

time there were no real signs of any vigorous increase.

Construction

seemed to offer the best chance for improvement in the near future.

In

many parts of the District, building operations were delayed more than

usual by weather conditions from January through March.

In recent weeks,

however, some contractors had been offered more work than they were able

to undertake.

As soon as weather permitted, activity should increase

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sharply, especially in the residential field.

tile

Recent data showed the tex

industry operating at a high and slightly rising level, but manu

facturers expressed slightly less optimism than a few weeks ago.

The

furniture industry also continued to operate at close to peak levels

the season, but the outlook vas a little

less certain than it

for

had been

earlier, perhaps due in part to the fact that the industry was awaiting

results of the spring furniture shows.

direction of production, employment,

In bituminous coal, the recent

and shipments had been moderately

downward, in contrast with earlier hopes and expectations.

Retail sales

had lagged because of adverse weather conditions and the lateness of

Easter.

The most recent data for department stores showed a significant

gain, but generally the improvement did not seem to be much more than

normal for the season.

While unfavorable weather had delayed some farming

operations, farm prospects generally were still

good.

Business loans at

weekly reporting member banks continued relatively weaker in the District

than in the nation as a whole.

Mr. Balderston said that for the period immediately ahead he would

favor continuing present policy and observing an even keel.

say that two points were puzzling to him.

The first

should be given to the rapid rise in time deposit.

He went on to

was how much weight

The money supply, as

usually defined, had increased only 1-3/4 per cent from a year ago, but

deposit turnover had risen 7 percent in the same period.

Presumably,

turnover had gone up, not only as against a year ago but also as against

the last quarter of 1961, because of the shift of deposits.

Thus, he was

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perplexed as to what weight should be assigned to demand and to time

deposits in studying the supply of money.

He was also perplexed as to

how much liquidity was seeping out to foreigners in the form of credit

from American banks.

The practice of requiring borrowers to maintain

compensating balances probably tended to offset some of the rate differ

ential.

He would like to continue to feed credit to the United States

economy for some time to come, but this was useless if any substantial

part of the credit being provided for domestic use was seeping out of

the country.

In any event, there appeared to be nothing to do for the

next three weeks except to maintain an even keel.

Chairman Martin commented that he was somewhat disturbed by the

liquidity side of the picture as it had developed.

However, he did not

feel that any substantially different monetary policy could have been

justified on the basis of what had transpired.

If loan demand had been

stronger, the liquidity situation would have been different, but it was

difficult to gauge such things.

It seemed clear to him,

the Chairman said, that in view of the steel

wage and price developments, maintenance of the status quo was justified

right now if such a policy ever was justified.

With regard to the current

policy directive, particularly the clause therein that called for giving

recognition to the need to maintain a viable international payments system,

he was interested in the comments that had been made.

Although he did not

coin the phrase, its intent had been clear to him, but apparently it was

not clear

to others,

This was typical of the difficulties encountered in

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trying to compose a directive.

He had thought that the clause clearly was

intended to recognize the need for an effort to keep the gold exchange

standard functioning, which was in line with the purpose of the System's

foreign currency operations.

To others, however,

the words apparently did

not spell out the intent effectively or perhaps did not suggest an

appropriate goal.

With regard to today's meeting, Chairman Martin said he did not

think there was need for a great deal of summarization.

Some minor points

could be made with respect to the comments around the table, but it

seemed

to him that essentially the Committee was talking about maintenance of the

status quo.

With possibly one or two exceptions, that appeared to be what

the Committee was advocating today.

The Chairman then inquired whether anyone wished to comment on this

statement of the consensus.

Mr. Mills suggested that a definition of the status quo might

comprehend free reserves of $450 million or of $400 million.

It was his

feeling that an appropriate interpretation would comprehend the lower of

the two levels.

This was a level that seemed to produce economic and

financial results such as the Committee had in mind.

Chairman Martin turned to Mr. Rouse and said he would assume that

the Account Management had not tried to push free reserves to $450 million

in recent weeks any more than it had aimed at $350 million in the pre

ceding weeks.

Mr. Rouse replied that this was correct.

There had been the matter

of Treasury financing and large associated flows of funds.

Also,

the

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reserve projections had on occasions been quite inaccurate,

been a complication.

and this had

As to facilitating the market flows of funds, he

had understood this to be in accord with the Committee's wish, which had

seemed to contemplate something of an atmosphere of resolving doubts on

the side of ease.

The Desk was concerned about the smoothness of the

money market, and this concern happened to result in a higher level of

free reserves.

He agreed that the $400 million figure would more nearly

reflect what he understood to be the temper of the Committee than the

higher figure,

if one were to aim directly at the level of free reserves

in conducting open market operations.

Messrs. Robertson and Mitchell indicated that they would prefer to

aim at $450 million rather than $400 million.

Mr. Hayes said that he regarded the Chairman's statement of the

consensus as accurate.

However, he would vote against the policy embodied

in that consensus because of the lack of emphasis on the deteriorating

international situation.

He found it difficult to accept Mr. Robertson's

statement that an improved balance of payments since last autumn had

lessened the need for attention to the international situation, since he

regarded the improvement as almost entirely a seasonal matter.

Looking at

developments against a year ago, he was concerned about what the balance

of payments might look like later this year.

With regard to Mr. King's

statement about the covered arbitrage differential on three-month bills,

admittedly it was presently in favor of New York against London, but he

did not think one could afford to lose sight of the fact that the whole

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range of rates on credit had a bearing on the flow of funds.

to Mr. Mitchell's comment about the mounting of defenses,

With regard

he assumed this

had reference to monetary arrangements, including the System's program of

foreign exchange operations.

While these moves were highly desirable,

could not be expected to turn the balance of payments around.

they

In his

opinion, the Federal Reserve should try to do its part in every reasonable

way.

Chairman Martin commented that he could not forego this opportunity

to say once again that he regarded the balance-of-payments

serious.

situation as

While he did not want to say that there would be a crisis and

while he certainly was not suggesting that a crisis was necessarily around

the corner, the situation conceivably could end up that way.

time, it

At the same

was his conviction that changes in monetary policy of a minor

nature were not going to have any effect on that problem.

There was a risk

that the System ought to take in trying to promote the domestic economy.

On the other hand, the record should not indicate in any way that the

seriousness of the balance-of-payments problems was being minimized.

The Chairman inquired whether there were members of the Committee

other than Mr. Hayes who would like to express themselves as dissenting

from the consensus, and no comments were heard.

The Chairman then inquired

of Mr. Rouse whether the latter had any comments on the existing policy

directive, and Mr. Rouse replied in the negative.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank

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until otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System Open

Market Account in accordance with the fol

lowing current economic policy directive:

In view of the modest nature of recent advances in the

pace of economic activity and the continued underutilization

of resources, it remains the current policy of the Federal

Open Market Committee to promote further expansion of bank

credit and the money supply, while giving recognition to the

country's adverse balance of payments and the need to maintain

a viable international payments system.

To implement this policy, operations for the System Open

Market Account during the next three weeks shall be conducted

with a view to maintaining a supply of reserves adequate for

further credit and monetary expansion, taking account of the

desirability of avoiding sustained downward pressures on short

term interest rates.

Votes for this action: Messrs. Martin,

Balderston, Bryan, Deming, Ellis, Fulton,

King, Mills, Mitchell, Robertson, and Shepard

son. Vote against this action: Mr. Hayes.

All of those present except the members and alternate members of

the Committee, Messrs. Swan, Francis, and Heflin, and Messrs. Sherman and

Rouse then withdrew from the meeting.

Chairman Martin referred to discussions from time to time in the

past regarding the publication of minutes of meetings of the Federal Open

Market Committee, noting that the question had been brought up again by

reason of the fact that the minutes covering all meetings held in calendar

year 1960 had been furnished to Congressman Patman as Chairman of the Joint

Economic Committee,

that he understood they had been seen by a number of

persons, and that in the course of time there would be published an analysis

of those minutes prepared by members of Mr. Patman's staff.

The suggestion

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had been made that it

would be desirable if

the Committee's minutes were to

be published so as to permit all interested persons to review freely the

record of policy discussions and decisions.

He then called upon Mr. Balder

ston for comment.

Mr. Balderston stated that he believed it

desirable to make the

minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee available to scholars for the

decade of the 1950s.

Specifically, he would propose that they be published

for the period 1951 through 1960 in the form approved by the Committee and

without additional interpretative coments.

He would include in the

published record the minutes of the meetings of the executive committee

for the period 1951 to June 1955 in which month that committee was abolished.

Mr. Balderston stated that he believed the Committee and the Federal Re

serve System were at a disadvantage in getting interested members of the

public to understand the goals of the Federal Reserve and how the System

sought to achieve them.

Some of the System's critics now had access to

information not available to scholars generally.

His view was that

scholars, whether favorable or unfavorable to the System, should have

access to the minutes so that they could make an objective analysis on

the basis of the record.

In response to a question from Mr. Deming as

to whether this called for publication of the minutes, or whether they

could be made available in some other manner, Mr. Balderston said that

he was thinking of publication so that they would be available not only

at the Federal Reserve Banks and at the Board's offices, but also in

college libraries.

In this way, teachers or students of finance or others

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would have ready access to them.

He also stated, in response to Mr.

Deming's question as to whether he was proposing regular publication from

here on out, that he did have such publication in mind.

Mr. Balderston

went on to say that this raised one of the critical points:

how much lag

there should be between the meeting covered by a given set of minutes and

their publication.

He had thought earlier in terms of a lag of three to

five years, but the fact that the minutes for 1960 were now available

to a limited group outside the Committee complicated the use of such a

lag period.

Mr. Deming said that he was not especially disturbed about making

available minutes for a past period but that he was disturbed about a

procedure that would commit release of future minutes.

He was thinking

of this particularly in terms of the foreign currency operations in which

the Committee had recently engaged.

Mr. Hayes stated that he granted the weight of some of the considera

tions that Mr. Balderston had brought up, particularly that making the

minutes available would provide a record that would permit a defense against

use of minutes out of context by those who already had access to them for

the year 1960.

Conceivably this could provide information that the

public should have and that might be useful in a number of ways.

On

the other hand, Mr. Hayes said that there were counter arguments,

some

of which related to a lag of time before release of the minutes and

some of which applied more or less permanently.

If

published, there

should be sufficient lag to avoid the danger of anyone reading into the

picture a position taken by the Committee currently or possibly one that

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would be taken in the near future.

Also,

if

it

were known that future

minutes would be released, there was some risk of hurting the atmosphere

of discussion at Committee meetings through inhibiting frank expressions

of view.

Everyone at a meeting should be free to take as frank a position

as he desired, Mr. Hayes said, and he should not be held to account too

strongly for views tentatively expressed.

While he could not see much

advantage to making the minutes available,

he did not believe that much

would be lost by doing so for the years 1959 and 1960.

On the matter of giving adequate information on System operations,

Mr. Hayes said that he was quite concerned about the sense of inadequacy

felt by many persons in the System on this point.

He wondered whether

the Committee should not tackle a more frequent publication of the policy

record, perhaps quarterly, and whether it

should not contemplate an article

in the Federal Reserve Bulletin at quarterly intervals similar to the

articles now published on a quarterly basis by the Bank of England.

Mr.

Hayes concluded his remarks with a statement that he was not enthusiastic

over publication of the Committee's minutes but, if the majority wished

to go ahead, he did not feel violently opposed to doing so.

Mr. Ellis stated that he was enthusiastically against making

the minutes of the Committee available to the public.

He questioned

whether they were of primary interest to monetary analysts.

persons already know a good deal about the policy actions.

These

From the

record of policy actions published annually they know the Committee' s

position and the reasons for that position.

The minutes would add

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information on the performance of individuals, and he doubted that this

would be of interest to the monetary economists.

His conclusion was

that the minutes would not be of substantial advantage to the true

monetary economist and he did not think the urge for access to the

minutes came from that source.

Those persons would much prefer more

timely analytical reports of actions of the Committee.

Also, as Mr.

Hayes had mentioned, there was the undesirable effect on Committee dis

cussions that could be anticipated in the event of a decision to publish

the minutes.

There would be a tendency for those at the meetings to

elaborate the statistical presentations and to compress discussion of

controversial matters, Mr. Ellis thought, which in many cases would

tend to distort the basic purposes of Committee discussions.

Once

the Committee started publishing the minutes, it would be extremely

difficult to reverse the process.

There would also be a tendency to

yield to requests for making the minutes available on a more nearly

current basis.

If there were logic in publication of the Committee's

minutes, then the same logic would lead to publishing minutes of other

actions on monetary policy such as on discount rates, reserve require

ments, margin requirements, and so on.

Mr. Ellis questioned that

publication of the minutes would offset the potential danger that he

thought would result--perhaps had already resulted--from access of

certain persons to the 1960 minutes.

He suggested that the best defense

for the System against misuse of materials made available was either to

make a direct response to any reports requiring comment, or to ignore the

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On the question of more information, Mr. Ellis said that he

attacks.

thought the Committee could move in that direction perhaps through

quarterly publication of the policy record, preparation of Bulletin

articles such as Mr. Hayes had mentioned, and provision of other informa

tion.

This procedure, in his opinion, would be more likely to provide

effectively for better public information.

Mr. Irons said that the comments by Mr. Ellis were quite convinc

ing.

On the other hand, while those objections might be valid, it

seemed to him that if

still

members of the Congress sought the minutes, the

Committee was likely to make them available.

The discussions of foreign

currency operations raised an additional problem, and he would look

upon those discussions as somewhat different from the minutes of the

regular Committee discussions.

If

the minutes were to be made available

at all, he would lean toward their publication for interested persons

generally.

He would be happier if

they were not made available, but if

the decision was to release them, his preference would be to make them

available for a period of perhaps the past ten years without resolving

now the question of what would be done in the future.

Mr. Swan expressed the view that a much better job of explaining

the System's position could be done through preparation of periodic

analytical material, perhaps on a quarterly basis, than by publishing

the Committee's minutes.

Such an article would necessarily be based

on policy record entries but would be in a different form.

He believed

that such periodic articles should be prepared regardless of what decision

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is

reached about publishing the Committee's minutes.

As to publication,

he felt that the fact the Committee had made one year's minutes available

to a Congresman on a confidential basis did not necessarily call for

publishing the minutes over a ten-year period.

He did not think that the

Committee should be in a position of trying to hide anything, but what was

needed was perspective.

For that reason, he would lean toward Mr. Balder

ston's thought of a lag of three years or perhaps five years between the

time of a meeting and any publication of the minutes for the meeting.

Mr. Deming expressed views similar to those of Mr. Ellis.

While

he did not feel strongly, he was concerned that any action taken might

create problems for the future if

lag interval.

it

implied publication with a short

He thoroughly agreed with the desirability of preparing

articles, perhaps at quarterly intervals, explaining the role of monetary

policy but, on balance, he would prefer not to publish the Committee's

minutes.

Mr. Scanlon stated that he, too, agreed with the views expressed

by Mr. Ellis and would prefer not to have a procedure adopted whereby

the minutes would be published regularly.

Mr. Clay's statement indicated agreement with the views expressed

by Mr. Ellis.

For one thing, a procedure for publishing the minutes

would bring about perhaps unconsciously a change in the nature of the

Open Market Committee's meetings.

Inevitably members would be conscious

of the record, and this would tend to inhibit expressions of views and

testing of views with the freedom now practiced.

Mr. Clay felt that a

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much better job of explaining monetary polley could be done by prepara

tion of appropriate periodic articles than by publishing the

minutes.

Mr. Heflin felt strongly that the Committee should not adopt

a policy of publishing the minutes as such.

Little would be accomplished

by such a procedure and if publication were undertaken it probably would

lead only to further demands for additional materials.

Mr. Mills stated that he would favor publication of the minutes

up through the year 1960 and, after discovering the reception accorded

His

those minutes, would deal with the question of future publication.

feeling was that responsible scholars who had the minutes at their

disposal would, in their own minds, be able to recreate the background

atmosphere in which policy decisions were reached.

He did not have much

sympathy with the idea of quarterly disseminations because they inevitably

would be slanted and biased to justify decisions recently reached by the

Committee.

Mr. Robertson stated that the views expressed by Mr. Mills were

essentially the same as his.

He thought that the Committee would be

forced to issue something whether it wished to do so or not.

would insist on disclosure regarding Committee discussions.

The Congress

In his

judgment, the Committee would be in much better position if it took the

lead.

His preference would be to make the minutes available here in

Washington, perhaps at the

National Archives, and at each Reserve Bank

rather than to publish amd distribute them generally.

course, be an appropriate lag.

There should, of

It would be preferable to have a longer

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lag than one year, but just how much was needed was a question.

The

minutes for 1960 having been made available, he could see no reason for

not making them available for all prior years, since, for example, 1951.

Mr.

Shepardson was inclined toward the issuance of a current summary

report of open market operations such as had been suggested by several

persons at this meeting.

On the question of publication of the minutes,

he felt that it would have been desirable if they could have been withheld.

However, those for 1960 had already been made available to a degree, and

other interested persons ought to have an equal opportunity to study the

This might assist in promoting objective discussion of

minutes.

same

monetary policy, although that, of course, was a matter that could not

be answered at this time.

respect to

He definitely would favor a time lag with

publication of anyother minutes, and he would leave until a

later time any decision as to what time lag might be applied in the future.

Despite

what he had just said, Mr. Shepardson expressed the hope that the

Committee could

handle the difficult problem of presenting the discussions

of monetary policy through some means other than publication of the minutes.

Mr.

King said that he believed a decision to publish the minutes

at this stage would be jumping the gun.

He would wait to see what kind

of a report might be issued by the Congressional committee that had avail

able the minutes for 1960 before deciding whether to publish or not.

forced to a decision at this time

If

Mr. King would release the minutes

for 1960, but his preference would be not to release even those minutes

at present .

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Mr. Mitchell said that the fundamental problem went back to the

kind of record wanted for the Committee's deliberations, and the question

whether publication of the minutes would result in a different record than

had been had in the past or than the Committee desired.

He felt that the

discussions in the minutes of the Committee would not be as free as they

are at present if

it were known that the minutes would be published.

The

kind of record that would grow out of minutes where there was a knowledge

that they would be made public after a lag might well look shallow at a

later period.

This certainly would be the case if publication was to be

with a very short lag such as one year, and less so as the lag became

longer.

While he would prefer not to publish the minutes, he would be

inclined to make available at the Reserve Banks and some place such as the

Board's offices or elsewhere in Washington a file of the minutes that

serious scholars could know were available for study and reference.

His

inclination was not to deny students access if they had an honest interest

in the subject matter, but he did not think that this called for reproduc

ing and distributing widely sets of the Committee's minutes.

Mr. Fulton expressed views favorable to periodic (quarterly) re

ports of Committee discussions.

He did not believe that publication of

the minutes would serve any useful purpose.

Mr. Bopp said that as far as inhibitions on future discussions

were concerned the Committee should remember that it

could not now make a

final determination as to what would be published in the future.

If

it

were decided not to publish at this time, the same question might still

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come up a year hence.

Thus, one could reason that the Committee would be

inhibited whether there was a decision today to publish or not to publish.

He had a great personal sympathy with publication of the minutes back to

the origin of the Committee.

In general, he felt that a time lag of five

year prior to publication would be desirable.

Mr. Bryan said that publication of the minutes should have a

minimum time lag of five years and anything shorter would be dangerous

as inhibiting discussions of the Committee.

This would be particularly

true in view of the foreign currency operations recently engaged in.

It

was out of the question to talk about having two sets of minutes, one

He

that could be made public and the other that would not be available.

did not believe that the fact that the minutes for 1960 had been made

available to the Congress called for publication by the Committee.

If

the Congress determined to make those minutes available, that was one

thing, but this need not be determinative for the Committee's action.

In the one case, the Congress would take the responsibility and in the

other the Committee would take the responsibility.

The fact that those

minutes might be released by the Congress should not frighten the

Committee into something that it might regret.

would be abdicating responsibility.

To take that course

Mr. Bryan said that he would favor

making the minutes available with a considerable lag of time, but not

otherwise.

Mr. Francis stated that the views expressed by Mr. Ellis repre

sented the position that he would take on this question.

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Chairman Martin said that until there was a more unanimous

point of view than had been indicated at this meeting it would be a

mistake to press the question of publication of the minutes to a vote.

Both sides of the question had been presented reasonably well today, and

as he had indicated earlier the views expressed by Mr. Ellis were

persuasive.

Chairman Martin went on to emphasize that from his standpoint

there were important considerations involved in this question.

Every

thing that Mr. Ellis had said was well taken but, having spent a good

deal of time in various libraries recently, he was convinced that there

was a great shortage of good material on the operations of the Federal

Reserve System.

Information on what the System had actually done was

woefully lacking.

Various individuals formerly connected with the System

had written things from their particular points of view, but this did not

meet the need for full information to enable students and others to know

what the Federal Reserve was doing in order that they might write

objective analyses.

Chairman Martin said that he, personally, would be opposed to a

quarterly analysis of Committee decisions on monetary policy of the sort

he understood several had suggested around the table.

Such a review pre

pared within the System for publication shortly after decisions were

reached and while they still were being put into effect could not avoid

being an apology for the Committee's actions.

One result would be to

make the position of the Chairman much more difficult than it now was.

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Any such analysis of monetary policy could hardly be expected to be

objective or to reach the problem that the System had to deal with.

He

regretted that the institutional life of the System, which he believed to

be in danger, could not be put in a light that the public would be able

to visualize, so as to see that intelligent and conscientious persons were

sitting around the table at frequent intervals analyzing the situation

and expressing different points of view as to what would be the most

suitable procedure to follow in carrying out the purposes of the Federal

Reserve System.

He believed that the minute record of these discussions,

even with some defects, was impressive as indicating both an attitude and

a procedure whereby the System was attempting to render the decisions for

which it

was responsible.

He did not believe that the System could put

out a quarterly report that would do what was needed.

Also, he had come

to the conclusion that quarterly publication of the record of policy

actions would not meet the need, and he felt that he had convinced a

former Chairman of the Senate Banking and Currency Committee that an

earlier proposal that the Committee publish its

at quarterly intervals would not be appropriate.

record of policy actions

This was not a one-man

operation, nor a one-bank operation, but it was a group of individuals

attempting to develop dispassionately a policy in the interest of the

whole economy.

It was this institutional problem that the System faced.

Even in the Congress relatively few members had an understanding of the

System or the way it

worked.

After further comments, Chairman Martin suggested that the

Committee continue to study the problem that had been discussed and

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that at a future time it explore further the means that might be taken

for dealing with this problem.

even if

it

In his judgment it

would be a mistake,

were possible to arrive at a favorable vote for publication,

to take such action at this time.

The points made against publication

of the minutes seemed almost unanswerable, but there should be some way

of presenting to the public the nature of the Federal Reserve System and

the way this group operated, the way its

meetings were conducted.

This

was a problem that all members of the Committee should continue to study.

Mr. Ellis commented that, in suggesting a quarterly article on

monetary policy or quarterly publication of the policy record, he had in

mind that this could be a vehicle for presenting to scholars and others a

current statement of actions taken by the Committee and that this would be

more useful to them than publication of the minutes.

Chairman Martin responded that the idea of a quarterly article on

monetary policy or quarterly publication of the policy record did not now

seem to him to be desirable.

It would be possible to give out some kind

of a statement every three months.

However, he did not think that

individual members of the Committee should be placed in the position of

having their votes on policy positions currently or very recently under

discussion made public.

He was against trying to conduct policy in a way

that would make spot news, and yet this was what would be sought with

frequent publication of the policy record.

In concluding this portion of the meeting, Chairman Martin stated

that in the absence of objection the question of publication of the minutes

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of the Federal Open Market Committee would be tabled.

No objection to

this procedure was indicated.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Federal Open Market

Committee would be held on Tuesday, May 8, 1962.

Tentative dates for

following meetings were set for May 29, June 19, and July 10, 1962.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Assistant Secretary

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1962, April 16). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19620417
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19620417,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1962},
  month = {Apr},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19620417},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}