fomc minutes · June 17, 1963

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, June 18, 1963, at 9:30 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Bopp

Clay

Irons

Mills

Mitchell

Scanlon

Shepardson

Messrs. Hickman, Wayne, and Shuford, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Bryan and Deming, Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of Atlanta and

Minneapolis, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hexter, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Noyes, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Furth, Garvy, Green, Koch,

and Tow, Associate Economists

Mr. Stone, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open

Market Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research

and Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Yager, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics,

Board of Governors

Messrs. Latham, Hilkert, and Hemmings, First

Vice Presidents of the Federal Reserve

Banks of Boston, Philadelphia, and

San Francisco, respectively

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Messrs. Mann, Taylor, Jones, Parsons, and

Grove, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Cleveland, Atlanta,

St. Louis, Minneapolis, and San Francisco,

respectively

Mr. Parthemos, Assistant Vice President,

Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond

Mr. Cooper, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Eisenmenger, Acting Director of Research,

Federal Reserve Bank of Boston

There had been distributed preliminary and revised drafts of

minutes of the meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee held on

May 28, 1963.

The revised draft incorporated amendments to the

Committee's Guidelines for System Foreign Currency Operations reflecting

the following actions that had been taken by the Committee at the May 28

meeting:

(1) adoption of a working rule that, in the absence of excep

tional circumstances, drawings under a reciprocal currency arrangement

should be fully liquidated within twelve months; and (2) authorization

to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to utilize its holdings of a

currency for the purpose of settling commitments denominated in other

currencies, up to a combined total of $50 million equivalent.

The

revised draft also incorporated an appropriate amendment to the con

tinuing authority directive to the New York Reserve Bank on foreign

currency operations covering the second of these two Committee actions.

The revised draft of minutes further incorporated an amendment to the

Guidelines flowing from action taken by the Committee at its meeting

on March 5, 1963, authorizing the New York Reserve Bank to purchase

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specified currencies through forward transactions up to a combined

total of $25 million equivalent for the purpose of allowing greater

flexibility in covering commitments under reciprocal currency agree

ments.

This action was reflected at the time in the continuing

authority directive but not in the Guidelines.

It was noted that approval by the Committee of the minutes

of the May 28 meeting would serve to ratify the foregoing amendments

to the Guidelines and to the continuing authority directive.

would follow that reference to these amendments

It

would be included in

the entry for the record of policy actions of the Open Market Committee

covering the meeting of the Committee on May 28, 1963.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote, the

minutes of the meeting of the Federal

Open Market Committee held on May 28, 1963,

were approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the Committee

a report from the Special Manager of the System Open Market Account on

foreign exchange market conditions and on Open Market Account and

Treasury operations in foreign currencies for the period May 28 through

June 12, 1963, together with a supplementary report covering the period

June 13 through June 17, 1963.

Copies of these reports have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs

summarized current and prospective developments with respect to the

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U. S. gold stock along with conditions in the London gold market.

Turning to System foreign currency operations, he noted that

the System had completed repayment of its Swiss franc drawing under

the swap arrangement with the Swiss National Bank through transactions

conforming to the procedure authorized by the Committee at its meet

ing on May 28, 1963.

He also noted that negotiations had been completed

for liquidation on June 20, 1963, of the drawing of $16 million of

Swiss francs that remained outstanding under the swap arrangement with

the Bank for International Settlements.

In further comments, Mr. Coombs said that announcement of the

increase from $50 million to $500 million in the swap facility with

the Bank of England, pursuant to the Committee's authorization at the

meeting on May 28, had been generally well received by central banks.

However, certain foreign Treasury officials apparently were continuing

to press to bring the System's swap arrangements under some form of

international surveillance.

He had taken the position, Mr. Coombs

said, that drawings against swap facilities were purely a matter of

bilateral relationships and that the integrity of the Federal Reserve

System was an adequate safeguard against the abuse of such swap

facilities.

Further, the Federal Reserve System had published two

articles at approximately six-month intervals giving a full story of

System swap arrangements and operations thereunder.

He thought, however,

that it might be useful on the occasion of the monthly meetings of the

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Bank for International Settlements at Basle to advise the participants

confidentially on Federal Reserve drawings and repayments under such

arrangements, subject to prior concurrence by the other central banks

that were parties to the respective swap agreements.

Such a procedure

would serve t.o dispel rumors that might otherwise be circulated as to

the extent of Federal Reserve commitments in various currencies.

It was suggested in the alternative that the purpose might be

served by comments in the course of conversations with central bankers

attending the meetings, as and when that seemed desirable, rather than

to put the matter within the framework of a regular reporting basis.

Mr. Coombs agreed that the alternative procedure would serve the purpose,

adding that during the course of the monthly meetings he was in conver

sation with representatives of the central banks attending the meetings.

It was the consensus that the alternative procedure would not be

inappropriate, assuming that information concerning drawings and repay

ments under System swap arrangements would not be divulged except after

clearance with the central banks that were parties to the particular

reciprocal currency agreements.

Proceeding with his review of System foreign currency operations,

Mr. Coombs referred to the recent strengthening of the dollar rate

against the Netherlands guilder, which had resulted in a termination of

System operations in that area.

He also described prospective develop

ments that might afford an opportunity for repayment of part of the

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System's drawings of guilders under its swap arrangement with the

Netherlands Bank.

Mr. Coombs noted that the continued strength of the German

mark had resulted in drawings by the System of $100 million equivalent

of marks in four instalments under the swap arrangement with the

German Federal Bank, and disbursement of $90 million equivalent of the

marks thus drawn.

It was Mr. Coombs' view, for reasons stated, that

the System should continue its operations

in support of the dollar

against the mark, drawing if necessary the full $150 million equivalent

of marks available under the swap arrangement with the German Federal

Bank.

Under certain circumstances, a case might even be made for

negotiating an increase in the swap facility, but on balance he felt

that the System would be well advised to limit its drawings to no more

than $150 million and invite the Treasury to deal with any further flow

of funds into Germany.

Further, if no reversal of the present situation

was seen over the next three months, he was inclined to feel that the

System should suggest to the Treasury and the German Federal Bank the

possibility of funding the System's swap drawings indirectly through

additional issues by the Treasury of bonds denominated in German marks.

An alternative would be purchases of gold by the German Federal Bank.

In further explanation of his views in this regard, Mr. Coombs

said that if the System should run through the remaining $60 million of

marks available under the swap arrangement with the German Federal Bank

and a substantial speculative flow of money into Germany developed, a

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case possibly could be made for increasing the swap facility.

System operations were intended to deal with financial

However,

flows that were

expected to be reversible, and as yet there was no sign of a turning

of the tide of flows into Germany.

Therefore, if the System exhausted

the remaining $60 million equivalent of German marks available uncer

the swap facility, it might still be faced with the possibility of

continuing market operations in support of the dollar for an indeter

minate length of time.

In such a situation, it might be well to call

a halt to System operations.

Mr. Coombs concluded his comments with remarks on the recent

weakening of the Italian lira and prospective developments in that

regard.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote, the

System Open Market Account transactions

in foreign currencies during the period

May 28 through June 17, 1963, were approved,

ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Coombs pointed out that the $250 million swap arrangement

with the Bank of Canada would mature June 26, the $50 million swap

arrangement with the Bank of Sweden would mature July 17, and the swap

arrangements with the Bank of Italy, the Swiss National Bank, and the

Bank for International Settlements, in the amounts of $150 million,

$100 million, and $100 million, respectively, would all mature

July 18, 1963.

He recommended renewal of these swap arrangements,

each for a further period of three months.

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Renewal of the aforementioned swap

arrangements, as recommended by Mr. Coombs,

was approved unanimously.

Mr. Coombs noted that a System drawing of $25 million equivalent

of guilders under the swap arrangement with the Netherlands Bank would

mature July 11, 1963, and he recommended renewal of the drawing for a

further three months if that should prove necessary.

Renewal of the drawing if necessary, as

recommended by Mr. Coombs, was noted without

objection.

Mr. Coombs pointed out that the Bank of England's drawing of

$25 million under its swap arrangement with the Federal Reserve System

would mature July 16, 1963.

If the Bank of England should so request,

he recommended that a three-month renewal of the drawing be granted.

The granting of a renewal of the drawing,

if requested by the Bank of England, was noted

without objection.

This concluded the consideration of System foreign currency

operations and related matters.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report covering open market operations in U. S.

Government securities and bankers' acceptances for the period May 27

through June 12, 1963, and a supplementary report covering the period

June 13 through June 17, 1963.

Copies of these reports have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Stone commented

as follows:

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The money market continued steadily firm in the period

since the last meeting of the Committee. There were only

slight further price and yield adjustments to the recent shift

in System policy while, during the course of the period, there

was an astonishingly enthusiastic reception for the Treasury's

sale of 4 per cent bonds of 1970.

Turning first to the sale of the 4 per cent bonds, it may

be premature to attempt to draw any firm conclusions about this

operation, but one or two points do seem to emerge. Clearly,

the $100,000 figure for subscriptions to be allotted in full

was set at too high a level; moreover, by indicating this full

allotment figure in advance of accepting subscriptions, some

sizable speculative interest was encouraged. More fundamentally,

the episode illustrates the great difficulty in setting price

and other terms on Treasury offerings when the market is in a

period of transition. In this case, the market's shift toward

expectations of somewhat higher rates had for the time being

about run its course--although it seemed at the time when the

Treasury had to set its terms that the underlying atmosphere

was still very cautious and called for terms that would be

regarded as attractive by investors.

As regards System operations and the money market, the

recent period has afforded an excellent example of the uncer

tainties that lurk behind bank reserve statistics and the

projections of such data. Once again, market tone proved to

In terms

be the most reliable part of our "guidance system."

of actual reserves--or rather, in terrs of current estimates

of actual reserves--free reserves were somewhat lower in the

past few weeks than in the preceding three-week interval, but

the money market had, if anything, a slightly easier consistency.

Member bank borrowings averaged a little lower, and while Federal

funds traded at 3 per cent most of the time, there were fewer

occasions on which really substantial reserve needs remained

to be satisfied at the discount window.

These developments were, in good part, a reflection of a

shift in basic reserve availability toward the money center

banks. The New York City banks, in particular, had a much

smaller basic reserve deficiency than in the previous period,

and accordingly were able to reduce both their net purchases

of Federal funds and their borrowings from the Reserve Bank.

Thus, while the countrywide supply of Federal funds may have

been somewhat lower than in the previous three weeks, the

demand was also appreciably less, and resulted on balance in

a slightly more comfortable tone in the money market.

Apart from these geographic shifts in basic reserve

availability, which rather complicated the interpretation of

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the significance of given reserve levels, System operations

were further complicated during the recent period by an

extraordinarily persistent series of "misses" in the day-to

day reserve projections. Sizable misses are of course not

unusual, but one can often depend on a rough balancing out

from day to d y between over-estimates and under-estimates

of the various reserve factors. In the recent period, however,

there was a strong tendency for actual reserve levels to fall

short of the projections, particularly the projections of

float and the Treasury balance at the Reserve Banks.

As

regards the Treasury balance, there has been some tendency

for daily expenditures to fall short of estimates and for

revenues to run higher. As for the misbehavior of float,

we have no ready explanation but some work is being done to

re-examine past patterns to see if more reliable projections

can be eveloped.

Treaury bill

rates, after moving upward following the

policy shift in the latter half of May, have hovered around

3 per cent in the case of the 3-month issue, while the 6-month

bill has moved around 3.08 per cent.

In the Treasury bond market, there have been few develop

ments of any significance, apart from the activity surrounding

Over the past three weeks prices of most issues

the new 4's.

have been down somewhat, with declines mainly in the maturities

close to the new 1970 issue.

The limited extent of the decline reflected in part the

favorable technical position of the market following the heavy

purchases of bonds by the Treasury in the latter part of May

as it grappled with the problem of the debt ceiling. At the

moment at least, the bond market atmosphere seems fairly steady

and more confident than it was three weeks ago, when the market

was still adjusting to the lower level of reserve availability.

The situation in the corporate and municipal markets has

been mixed. In the corporate area there has been a continuing

tug of war, with underwriters bidding strongly for a limited

supply of new issues and then being content to distribute the

Rates on new and

bonds slowly to rather reluctant investors.

In the

outstanding issues have remained about unchanged.

tax-exempt market, on the other hand, the rate trend has been

upward.

The calendar of new issues has remained large, and

dealer inventories have been kept from rising only by virtue

of continuing price concessions.

The reserve projections for the three weeks ahead indicate

that unusually large amounts of reserves will be needed. The

New York projections suggest a need of over $700 million, while

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the Board staff estimates indicate a need of about $1.2

billion. And both sets of estimates have recently been on

the low side of actual results. Under the circumstances,

I should like to recommend that the limit on changes in

the Account over the next three weeks be raised from $1

billion to $1.5 billion.

I hope it will not be necessary

to operate on that scale. But it would be well to be

prepared if we should have to do so.

During discussion based on Mr. Stone's report, it was noted that

projected reserve drains exceeded $1 billion in the three weeks ending

July 10, with an indication that part of the drain would reflect an

increase in U. S. Government deposits at the Federal Reserve Banks.

Question was raised whether it would not be reasonable for the Treasury

to leave the Government deposits at a somewhat lower level, thus reliev

ing the pressure on the System to provide reserves.

Mr. Stone commented

that System-Treasury discussions had resulted in general agreement on

the desirability of keeping Treasury balances at the Reserve Banks

rather constant at a level of about $900 million.

In the preceding

statement week, the balances had fallen relatively below, but they had

already been restored to around the $900 million level, thus resulting

in a reserve drain.

Mr. Mitchell referred to Mr. Stone's comment that in the past

period the tone of the market had once again proved to be the most

reliable part of the Desk's "guidance system."

He inquired whether the

Manager felt that he was operating in conformity with the Committee's

directive in following the tone of the market as a primary guide.

Mr. Stone pointed out that the Committee's instructions called for

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maintaining about the same degree of money market firmness.

He

regarded the reserve projections as one part of the apparatus employed in

measuring the tone and feel of the market, not only in terms of what

was happening at the moment but in days ahead.

In that sense, the

reserve projections entered into the operations of the Desk.

There

had been a number of occasions on which the estimates pointed to free

reserve levels over $200 million.

If the Desk had been guided by those

estimates alone, presumably it would not have undertaken any open market

operations, but the market itself suggested that those figures were not

accurate.

The market acted as if there were fewer reserves around.

Therefore, despite the estimates the Desk went in and bought bills

rather heavily.

Asked whether it was fair to infer that the Desk had

operated according to the tone and feel of the market and not according

to the reserve projections,

not be separated so sharply.

Mr. Stone replied that these factors could

The Desk operated primarily on the basis

of tone and feel of the market, but the reserve estimates were used as

an indication of the market tone that the Desk was likely to be con

fronted with three or four days hence.

If the reserve projections had

given the appearance of being more accurate, there might have been

marginal changes in the Desk's operations.

On some days the Desk might

have bought a little less or sold a little more, but the general thrust

of the Desk's operations would have been about the same.

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-13Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the open

market transactions in Government secur

ities and bankers' acceptances during the

period May 28 through June 17, 1963, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

The Chairman then called for the staff economic and financial

reports beginning with Mr. Noyes, who presented the following statement

on economic developments:

Most of the recent information on the performance of

the economy suggests that the broad observation we have

used so often in the last two years may again be appro

priate. The economy is generally expanding, with resources

available for further expansion.

Unemployment, especially among teen-agers, has con

tinued to creep upward. Despite the high level of auto

sales, the performance of retail trade as a whole has been

a little disappointing--in that there has been practically

no further advance since last November. Concern is expressed

that in the absence of a tax cut the current upward thrust

may falter when the stimulus recently provided by steel in

ventory accumulation is reversed.

On the other hand, some sectors are more active than

was generally anticipated. Construction activity, especially

the construction of multi-family private residences, has held

up better than many expected, and most recently has been

rising.

If the prospects for capital investment were any stronger,

they might well be a cause for concern rather than comfort.

Plant and equipment spending in the second half implied by

the latest Commerce-SEC survey would be up 7 per cent from

the 1962 level for the same period. A higher rate would raise

a question as to whether capital spending plans were realistic

in relation to recent developments in final demand and, there

fore, likely to be sustained.

Furthermore, it is increasingly difficult to summarize

the total pattern of price developments as one of price

stability. Wholesale prices were up in May, and the prospects

seem to be that these prices will increase further--perhaps by

a larger amount--in June.

It seems to me that it would be

wrong to describe recent price developments in the aggregate

as alarming or even inflationary, but at the same time one

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would be reluctant to see any more upward price pressure

than has prevailed.

While we may all wish devoutly for a higher rate of

economic activity--and a lower level of unemployment--it

is hard to see how developments of recent weeks could

realistically have been more favorable to the achievement

of these goals. The activity mix certainly has not been

In this case we might have liked a

ideal--it never is.

little larger volume of final purchases by consumers and

a little less buying of steel for inventory. But the over

all rate of progress seems to have been about as large as

the economy could handle without raising more questions

than it answered for the ultimate objective of sustained

expansion.

It now appears that real GNP increased at an annual

rate of about 4-1/2 to 5 per cent during the first half

of 1963. Without suggesting that we can be at all com

placent with respect to the future, it does appear that

this rate is as sustainable, and perhaps more sustainable,

than either a higher or lower rate would have been. At

least one can say that any sizeable additions over and

above the increase in total demand that actually occurred

would have had to be fortunately selective not to have

created problems and that any considerable shortfall would

have had to be similarly well placed if it were not to raise

questions as to the future.

My own judgment is that a continuation of about the

recent rate of expansion, rather than either an acceleration

or deceleration, is the optimum to which policy should be

directed. As I said before, one would hope that the composi

tion might shift in several ways--and certainly that we might

achieve lower rates of unemployment--but neither a faster nor

a slower over-all pace of expansion would seem likely to con

trioute to the achievement of our objective in the longer run.

If one accepts this broad objective, what sort of a

monetary policy would contribute to its achievement? My guess

is that it might be necessary to let credit markets ease a

little in response to the usual summer doldrums, accentuated

this year by steel inventory adjustment, which now looks as

Then, if Government

if it might lie immediately ahead of us.

and business spending plans materialize in the early fall, in

the magnitudes now foreseen, some lessening of ease at that

time would be both a natural and desirable result of rising

credit demand.

For the time being, since the economy shows no evident

signs of a significant change of pace, neither a substantially

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tighter or easier policy would be called for to maintain

the present rate of progress.

The case for a change, if

any, would seem to rest primarily on other than domestic

considerations.

Mr. Koch presented the following statement on financial

developments:

It is still too early to trace satisfactorily the

effects of the recent slight further lessening in monetary

ease on the course of bank credit and the money supply.

Thus far, the effects have been concentrated mainly in the

money market, although free reserves have been somewhat

lower and borrowings larger at country as well as city banks,

suggesting a spreading of less easy reserve positions through

out the banking system.

In the money market, short-term interest rates have

risen about 10 basis points or so, mainly in response to

reduced bank reserve availability.

Free reserves since mid

May have averaged $100 to $150 million less than earlier.

The Federal funds rate has continued to bump against the

3 per cent discount rate, and New York commercial bank

lending rates to Government security dealers have ranged

between 3-1/4 and 3-1/2 per cent.

At the same time, actual required reserves behind

private deposits have inched up relative to the guideline

since May 22, after having declined in the preceding month.

In the next couple of weeks they may drop sharply again,

for the Treasury is expected to accumulate a very large

end-of-fiscal year balance, thus temporarily tending to

drain off private deposits and reduce required reserves

During this period, the Account

behind such deposits.

Management might well try to provide as many reserves as

possible, within its bill rate and money market constraints,

to cover the sharp rise in Treasury deposits, so that private

deposits do not fall so far below the guideline that it would

be difficult to recoup later.

As for bank credit and money, both continue to show

moderate movements. Although total loans and investments

rose again in May and early June, after their sharp April

contraction, the rise has been less pronounced than it was

in either the first quarter of this year or in the autumn of

last year.

The money supply showed no change in May but probably

rose a little in early June. Since January, the money supply

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has grown at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of about

2 per cent. Moreover, the demand deposit component of

the money supply has shown no change over this period, all

of the growth in the total being due to a rise in currency

in circulation. Interestingly enough, in our guideline

projections we allow for growth in time and savings deposits

but not for growth in currency in circulation.

Time and savings deposit growth at commercial banks in

May and early June was probably at a seasonally adjusted

annual rate of about 13 to 14 per cent, as compared with 17

to 18 per cent earlier. The inflow of savings at saving

and loan associations also slackened in April and May, but

that at mutual savings banks continued large.

The capital markets reacted to the modest recent change

in monetary policy with relative indifference. Municipal

yields--a special case--rose sharply, but yields on new high

grade corporate issues actually declined a few basis points.

Yields on longer term U. S. Government notes and bonds had

steadied before the Treasury's announcement on June 6 of its

new intermediate-term cash financing, the public response to

which can only be termed spectacular.

As for the future, the third quarter is likely to provide

seasonally light corporate and municipal calendars of new pub

lic issues, although private placements may continue large.

Federal Government borrowing in the last half of the year may

Cash receipts

be considerably less than anticipated earlier.

have been larger than expectations and expenditures are lower.

New financing in the months ahead may well be only a little

higher than during the second half of 1962. This may have a

bullish effect on bond prices when it is fully realized by the

market

Finally, I should like to make two comments on the reg

ular staff reserve memorandum that is distributed before each

meeting. First, we have made another change in the base period

in recognition of the shift in policy adopted at the May 7

meeting. Both because the change in policy was not effective

until after the Treasury refinancing was completed about a week

later and for technical reasons explained in the memorandum, we

are now considering the week ending May 22 as the zero base from

which to compute cumulative changes of actual required reserves

from the guideline.

We are continuing to include a 3 per cent annual growth

trend in the guideline computation. The staff has considered

the suggestion occasionally made that this growth allowance

be reduced somewhat, perhaps to 2 per cent, but has decided

against a change essentially for the following reason. With

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actual required reserves behind time and savings deposits

currently increasing at a seasonally adjusted annual rate

of 13 to 14 per cent, a 3 per cent increase in required

reserves behind total private deposits provides reserves

to support less than a 1 per cent annual rate of increase

in demand deposits. A 2 per cent increase in required

reserves behind total deposits, assuming continuance of the

current rate of growth of time deposits, would necessitate

demand deposit contraction at an annual rate of about 1/2

of 1 per cent. Although it is no doubt true that some of

the recent growth in time and savings deposits has provided

essentially the same stimulus to spending as the growth in

demand deposits, the staff did not consider it appropriate

to use a guideline figure that implied demand deposit

contraction.

Moreover, the new time and savings deposits of commer

cial banks, as well as those at mutual savings banks and

shareholdings at saving and loan associations, appear to have

more the characteristics of real savings rather than money.

This is suggested by the lack of increase in the turnover of

these deposits and shareholdings since their increased rate

of growth began a year and a half ago. Personal time and

savings deposits at commercial banks still apparently turn

over about once every two years, and deposits at savings

banks and shareholdings at saving and loan associations

about once every four years. These turnover rates have been

very stable at these low levels for many years.

Low and stable time deposit turnover rates do not, of

course, tell us how much of the recent growth in these

deposits has come from shifts out of demand deposits. Nor do

they tell us how much of the recent growth represents, in

essence, money rather than savings. They do suggest, however,

that the new time deposits are not being used as transactions

balances any more than the old ones were. The new time deposits

could, of course, still have arisen as a result of shifts out of

demand deposits, with the remaining demand deposits turning over

more rapidly. According to our demand deposit turnover figures,

this is apparently what has taken place, to some extent at least.

The relevance of all this for monetary policy is that a somewhat

greater degree of restraint on the narrowly defined money supply

is probably needed now than earlier in order to achieve the same

broad economic objectives.

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-18Mr. Furth presented the following statement with respect to

the U. S. balance of payments and related matters:

The U. S.

payments position remains unfavorable. In

May, the deficit, tentatively estimated at $330 million, was

somewhat higher than in April or in the average of the first

quarter. The preliminary and fragmentary weekly figures for

the first two weeks of June indicate a similar deficit this

month.

Detailed data are available only through April, and some

of those are preliminary or fragmentary. But they permit some

idea of what has been happening.

The cumulative deficit in those four months was about

$1,050 million

A surplus on trade and nonmilitary services

of about $2,250 million was offset by net Government expendi

tures for foreign aid and defense of perhaps $1,850 million

and direct investments of perhaps $500 million, leaving a

combined deficit on these accounts perhaps as small as $100

million. But in addition we know of recorded movements of

financial capital, including $550 million of net acquisition

of portfolio securities, primarily foreign bond issues, and

$150 million net extension of bank-reported credits. This

leaves perhaps $250 million unaccounted for, including pre

sumably classified expenditures abroad of some U. S. Govern

ment agencies and under-reporting of imports of goods and

services as well as unreported movements of private capital.

This year, as in most previous years, the U. S. deficit

thus reflected, as the IMF paper on the U. S. payments bal

ance puts it, an exchange of liquidity for foreign assets.

But this year some of these exchanges involved assets of

On two recent occasions, for in

rather similar character.

stance, sums flowing into European countries as proceeds

from foreign government bonds acquired by U. S. residents

have, for all practical purposes, been reinvested in U. S.

bonds issued by the Treasury in the currency of the country

involved--with only two differences. From the U. S. payments

point of view, it is probably unfavorable that the foreign

bonds were acquired by U. S. private investors but the

Treasury bonds by foreign monetary authorities; it is favor

able, on the other hand, that the U. S. bonds bear lower

interest rates than the foreign bonds.

Abroad, the recovery in Europe from the winter set-back

seems to continue. Less welcome from the point of view of

the U. S. payments balance is the resumption of heavy flows

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of private capital, particularly into Germany.

In the

field of foreign policy, two developments may have an

impact on flows of funds from the United States.

The

first is the tendency of foreign countries to take

restrictive, or cease expansionary, policies; the latest

example is the increase in the discount rate of the Bank

of Sweden. The second is their effort to find ways to

restrict the inflow of U. S. investment capital, insofar

as it involves control over domestic industries.

The

Canadian budget promises a tax reform pointing in that

direction, and France has finally induced the European

Economic Community to look into the alleged danger of

"alienation" of European enterprises to U. S. capital.

Last time, the understanding way was mentioned in

which the IMF delegation treated the U. S. payments

problem. This time, the BIS may be added to the list.

The annual report of the BIS has been widely quoted and

misunderstood. As I read it, the essence of its views

on the subject is contained in the following sentences:

"Contributions to equilibrium are needed

from a reduction in net capital exports and in

government dollar expenditures abroad. The

authorities have indicated that a tighter mon

etary policy will be feasible as the economy

expands with the aim of reducing capital ex

Such a

ports and attracting capital imports.

policy would have to be directed mainly to

longer term investment funds, as short-term

interest differentials have largely been

eliminated and as substantial attraction of

liquid funds from London would not be desirable."

At this point the Chairman called for the usual go-around of

comments and views on economic developments and monetary policy begin

ning with Mr. Hayes, who presented the following statement:

The domestic economy appears to have expanded further

in May. Industrial production and residential construction

continued to show strength, and retail sales recovered from

what turned out to be a very small April dip. Manufacturers'

sales expectations have taken a sharp turn for the better,

while business plans for spending in the second half of 1963

seem to be a bit stronger. These various factors provide a

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reasonable basis for expecting continued expansion during

the rest of the year. On the other hand, the surge of

teen-agers into the labor force kept unemployment high in

May and may cause further deterioration this month.

Commercial bank credit expanded strongly in May, but

weekly data suggest some lessening of the pace of advance

in late May and early June. So far, bank credit components

have not reflected an adjustment to the firmer money market

conditions or the past month, nor do they point to any

noticeable revision in anticipations regarding the future

Thus, the banks have been investing even

course of rates.

more heavily than in the previous month ir real estate loans,

consumer loans, and other securities, while business loans

have been unu..ually weak. Also, time deposits have con

tinued to increase rapidly while the money supply has risen

very little

Recent balance of payments developments have been quite

disappointing, with the May deficit of around $300 million

exceeding the heavy April deficit. To a considerable extent

this high May figure (as well as the large 5-month aggregate)

reflects an upsurge of foreign security placements, primarily

by Canadian borrowers. There may be some diminution of long

term borrowings and direct investment in the months ahead;

but I think we must face the fact that the continuance of an

over-all deficit at anything like its present level constitutes

a threat of the first magnitude to the dollar despite the recent

calm atmosphere in the exchange and gold markets.

While only $202 million of the 5-month deficit of about

$1-1/4 billion was settled in gold, we can hardly expect such

a low proportion to persist in the future. For one thing,

there has been a substantial rise in foreign private dollar

holdings so far this year, but this appears to be mainly the

result of an increase in the liabilities of American banks to

the branches abroad, probably reflecting Euro-dollar market

activity. Also a sizable part of the deficit has been financed

through Treasury borrowings abroad, and there is a limit to the

willingness of the European countries to undertake such financ

ing, especially in the absence of convincing evidence that the

deficit is being gradually reduced. I hope that the members of

the Committee have had an opportunity to read Mr. Coombs' force

ful memorandum on the "Present Position of the Dollar," expres

sing the judgment that we have reached a critical phase and that

the dollar has become vulnerable to a break in confidence which

might occur almost without warning.

The thinking of the European

monetary authorities is pretty accurately reflected in the Annual

Report just released by the Bank for International Settlements,

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which strongly urges higher interest rates in this country

and incidentally holds out no hope that our problem will be

eased by further interest rate declines in Europe.

In considering appropriate future policy actions, we

must of course give careful attention to the timing of the

Treasury's program of financing over the next few months.

It is quite clear that the Treasury's calendar is crowded

and that there will be only a few brief periods when we

will have reasonable freedom to act. The first and most

satisfactory of these periods is from about Thursday of this

week, June 20, when payment for the surprisingly successful

new 4 per cent bonds will be made, until the week of July 8,

when the July one-year bill will probably be auctioned. With

new cash financing and announcement of the August refunding

expected later in July, it would appear that unless we move

in the near future we shall be "locked in" until September,

and even that month may be pre-empted, since another advance

refunding may be carried out at that time.

As I indicated at the last meeting, I believe that we

made the right move in open market policy on May 7 and that

the resulting firmer tone in the money market has been widely

accepted as appropriate to the country's international and

domestic outlook. In my judgment it has had a wholesome effect

in causing growing expectation of a subsequent discount rate

increase while at the same time demonstrating our cautious

solicitude for the state of the domestic economy. After six

weeks of this somewhat greater degree of firmness, I think we

can well afford to move a little further on this road in

preparation for discount rate action. I would hope that we

could get the 90-day bill rate above 3 per cent and keep it

there; and in view of the continuing heavy corporate demand

for bills and the relatively low level of dealer positions,

this objective may well call for somewhat larger borrowings

and somewhat lower free reserves than the average of the past

Free reserves might well have to drop below

three weeks.

$100 million.

The directive might appropriately be changed slightly to

reflect this modest additional move toward greater firmness in

the money market following completion of the Treasury financing,

and to place less emphasis on reserve expansion.

As for the discount rate, it seems to me clear that the

time for decision is at hand. While it would be reassuring,

before making our move, to have a more emphatic demonstration

of strength in the domestic economy and a clearer picture in

regard to the stimulative effects of the tax bill now in the

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Ways and Means Committee, the continued gravity of the

international payments position leaves us little choice,

especially in the light of the Treasury's calendar, as I

have already suggested. An increase of 1/2 per cent in

the discount rate in the near future could be expected to

serve two very important purposes:

(1) to signal to

foreign monetary authorities and to the world in general

that the System is ready to use traditional tools of

monetary policy to defend the international position of

the dollar, and (2) to achieve a level of short-term market

rates that s ould cause a substantial repatriation of short

term funds.

At this juncture we would probably do well to

try to hold down the impact of our action on long-term rates,

because of the uncertainties in the domestic economy--even

though at a later date we may conclude that our international

problems call for an all-out defense affecting interest rates

and credit availability throughout the maturity range. We

might consider softening the impact of the discount rate

move on long-term rate expectations by using longer maturities

to the extent practicable when reserves must be provided, as

they must in very considerable volume over the next few weeks,

and perhaps by some use of swaps between long and short

maturities.

Apart from even-keel considerations there is another

reason why late June would seem to be a highly appropriate

time for discount rate action. It is my understanding that

the President will probably make a forceful speech on the

entire balance of payments program early in July, with

emphasis on the need for stronger Government action in

several directions. This would help to make our own move

both more acceptable and more effective. It seems to me that

prior rather than subsequent action by the System is somewhat

preferable from the standpoint of the System's posture of

independence within the Government. As for foreign reactions,

I am confident that the British and Canadian authorities would

be sympathetic, even though it is conceivable they might find

themselves under considerable pressure to make some rate adjust

ments of their own. In any case, it is the international financial

position of all three countries, vis-a-vis the Continent, that

is of crucial significance, and we should welcome any strengthening

of this position. We have strong reason to believe that the

Continental European central banks, which have long urged a

tightening of credit policy by the Federal Reserve, would not

frustrate such action by competitive tightening of their own

Incidentally, we also have some hope that

credit policies.

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the European central banks might be willing, at least

temporarily, to restrain borrowing activities by their

commercial banks in the Euro-dollar market to help

minimize any upward effect on Euro-dollar rates of our

own action.

It would seem to me highly desirable that an increase

in the discount rate be accompanied by a further relaxation

of the interest rate ceilings imposed by Regulation Q. In

particular, the 90-day ceiling, which is already decidedly

restrictive, might well be increased to 3-1/2 per cent and

the 6-month ceiling to 3-3/4 per cent. Action along these

lines would give strong support toward our objectives in the

area of short-term capital flows.

Mr. Irons reported that in the Eleventh District the component

parts of the economy had shown mixed movements recently, with probably

a little net improvement.

financial picture.

There had been no significant change in the

Loans were up a bit, time and savings deposits

showed a further advance, demand deposits were down somewhat, and in

vestments were off a little.

Total bank credit showed a slight decline.

Demands of banks for funds, either through the Federal funds market or the

discount window, were relatively unchanged.

As for some time, District

banks were net purchasers of Federal funds in the most recent period.

Borrowings from the Reserve Bank ranged generally in the $5-$10 million

area.

In summary, Mr. Irons said, the District showed little change

in economic and financial factors, and there had been no noticeable

change in general attitudes.

Neither businessmen nor bankers were

expecting a strong economic upsurge, but they were confident of the

continuation of a good level of business activity.

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Turning to monetary policy, Mr. Irons said he was inclined to

feel that it would be desirable, with one possible exception, to

maintain the same degree of money market firmness that had been main

tained during the past three weeks.

He was quite satisfied with

market conditions and with the operations of the Desk during a period

that had been rather difficult due to factors mentioned by the Account

Manager.

He was rather glad to see the three-month bill rate drop back

to a level slightly below the discount rate.

To repeat, he would con

sider it in order to maintain for the next three weeks the degree of

firmness that had been achieved.

Mr. Irons went on to say that he had read the Coombs memorandum

referred to by Mr. Hayes.

His problem was a lack of personal knowledge

of the exact situation in Europe with regard to the degree of confidence

in the dollar.

If a substantial loss of confidence in the dollar was

imminent, or if there were other elements in the picture that would call

for action on the discount rate, he would favor such action.

This kind

of move would have some shock element; perhaps, in fact, an increase to

as high a rate as 4 per cent ought to be considered from that standpoint.

The only reason that he saw for raising the discount rate at this time,

however, would be the existence of a serious and almost imminent loss of

confidence in the dollar about which something must be done.

If this was

actually the situation, he did not think the System should feel restricted

from taking action even at a time when the Treasury was in the market,

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because the threat externally would be more serious than the problem of

the Treasury.

To summarize, if the conditions that he had mentioned

were imminent,

firm action on the part of the System would be in order.

If they were not imminent, he would favor continuing the monetary policy

that had been in effect during the past three weeks.

Mr. Deming noted that employment in the Ninth District, which

was weak early in the year due to weather conditions, rose more than

seasonally in April and May, and apparently this stronger trend was

continuing in June.

The District had been running slightly below year

ago employment levels but probably would go ahead of them in June.

Production had grown appreciably faster than employment, and the

improvement was broadly based.

In April the industrial power use

index was 10 per cent ahead of the previous year, and almost 6 per cent

ahead of January.

Ore shipments had been relatively slow, partly because

the Great Lakes opened up late and partly because stocks at mills were

high.

Agricultural prospects were excellent, with the moisture situation

very good.

Respondents to the Reserve Bank's most recent survey of attitudes

gave the most optimistic appraisal of the business outlook since April

and May of last year.

Seventy-four per cent saw improvement as probable

or certain, and only 2 per cent saw a decline as likely.

The balance,

of course, foresaw continued stability.

As to District banking developments, loans were up more than

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seasonally in May, with particular strength at country banks.

Country

bank loan-deposit ratios hit a postwar high in May, a point above the

previous peak of May 1960.

City bank loan-deposit ratios were still

5 points below the May 1960 peak, but. they were 5 points above the

December 1961 level.

As to monetary policy, Mr. Deming said he had gone through about

the same thought processes as Mr. Irons and had come to about the same

conclusions.

It seemed to him that the Desk had done quite a good job

during a rather difficult period, and he would like to maintain as

nearly as possible the current degree of money market firmness.

If the

degree of international confidence in the dollar had reached as low a

point as suggested by Mr. Coombs' memorandum and the comments of

Mr. Hayes, the System probably should take some action of a dramatic

and drastic nature.

Personally, however, he was not completely convinced

that such action was necessary at this particular time, and he would

prefer not to change the discount rate now.

If firm action was deemed

to be required by the international situation, the usual considerations

of even keel should not preclude the System from taking such action even

during a period of Treasury financing.

the open priods

under such

In other words, he would regard

for monetary policy actions as broader and more extended

conditions than would normally be the case.

Absent a real

dollar crisis, though, he would maintain monetary policy about as at

present, with no change in the discount rate.

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Mr. Scanlon said that although business indicators showed mixed

signs, it was believed that business activity in the Seventh District

would improve gradually through the second half of 1963 despite a

probable sharp decline in steel output and a possible slowing in the

auto industry.

This view was shared generally by business economists

in the District.

Local steel economists were now estimating that about 5 million

tons of "excess"

inventories would have been accumulated by the end of

the second quarter.

About 70 per cent of this accumulation was expected

to be liquidated in the second half of 1963, assuming the absence of a

steel strike.

The auto industry continued at a good rate, although the

inventory of used cars was relatively high.

Loans at District weekly reporting banks rose in May, while

investments declined.

Total bank credit showed only a slight increase,

in contrast to large increases, concentrated in investments, in the

same month in 1961 and 1962.

Business loans declined slightly, in

contrast to both the normal seasonal trend and the national experience.

Mr. Scanlon said that perhaps, if given more time to study and

analyze Mr. Coombs' memorandum, he might feel differently, but at the

moment he found himself in agreement with the views expressed by

Messrs. Irons and Deming.

In a crisis he would favor a strong move,

regardless of the Treasury financing calendar, but in the absence of

more convincing evidence of such a crisis he came out at about the

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same place policywise as three weeks ago.

This meant that he would

favor no change in monetary policy right now, with no change in the

directive or the discount rate.

Mr. Clay noted that the continued expansion of domestic economic

activity was encouraging.

The performance of the business upswing had

to be viewed, however, in essentially the same way as for some time

past.

Despite the considerable advance in activity, the domestic

economy still had a lot of room for further expansion in terms of the

availability of manpower and other resources.

In substantial part

because of the relationship between resources and aggregate demand,

price developments had been favorable.

These relationships of demand,

resources, activity, and prices were basic considerations

to the formula

tion of public policy so far as domestic economic activity was concerned.

While the domestic economy continued to expand, Mr. Clay added,

there were important questions concerning the thrust of the upswing

ahead.

One was the uncertainty as to the extent of steel strike hedg

ing and the resulting readjustment to be expected in steel and related

industries

from a reversal of this factor.

Another question concerned

consumer spending performance as a source of expansion in view of the

modest increase in that sector in recent months.

A third question

arose from developments in business capital outlays; the June Commerce

SEC survey indicated that the most recent quarter once again had fallen

below the previous survey results.

While total expenditures for the

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year were essentially unchanged from the March survey, it might be

significant that anticipated outlays by manufacturing firms were down

somewhat from the earlier projection.

The record of the third quarter

should afford a better insight into the strength and pace of the

business upswing that was under way.

The Committee, Mr. Clay continued, had reduced the degree of

reserve availability and encouraged an upward movement of interest rates

in recent weeks in an endeavor to reduce the outflow of funds.

It also

had been suggested that this change in policy should be carried further.

In view of domestic economic conditions, however, it would appear well

to him to avoid further credit restraint at this time.

for no change in the Reserve Bank discount rate.

This would call

The directive, as

adopted at the May 28 meeting, would be appropriate for a continuation

of present policy, except for the words "putting increased emphasis on"

in the second line of the first paragraph.

Perhaps the words "putting

continued emphasis on" or some similar wording could be substituted.

Otherwise the wording would seem to have a cumulative impact that prob

ably would be inconsistent with continuation of the specific instructions

in the last paragraph.

Mr. Clay went on to say that a reading of Mr. Coombs' memorandum

had caused him to re-examine all of the information available to him

relating to the international position of the dollar.

After such re

examination, however, he could not find a basis for what seemed to him

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a sudden shift of emphasis on the state of the dollar.

If there was

additional information that could be brought to bear on the question,

he would like to have it.

As he read it,

the memorandum did not set

forth any such specific reasons to suggest immediate vulnerability of

the dollar.

The Open Market Committee had already assumed a posture

that would afford the System a basis for moving toward tighter credit

conditions.

If the situation was reaching crisis proportions, there

should be no hesitancy to make a dramatic move.

tion available to him did not reflect factors

such a move at this time.

However, the informa

that would seem to require

On the basis of the information at his

disposal, therefore, he would favor continuing the present monetary

policy.

Mr. Wayne reported that Fifth District business continued to

advance slowly.

The statistical picture gained additional strength in

April from a substantial rise in contract awards, and in May from better

than-seasonal declines in unemployment, a slight rise in department store

sales, and continuing good levels of bituminous coal output and shipments.

The Reserve Bank's latest survey also reflected moderate gains.

The

respondents were now about evenly divided between those who expected

some improvement in the near future and those who expected no significant

change, with the latter group showing a substantial increase in the past

few weeks.

On balance their collective appraisal of the recent past

suggested small gains in employment, in construction activity, and in

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retail trade, including automobile sales.

Manufacturers in the survey

indicated a rise in new orders and shipments, accompanied by small in

creases in backlogs, employment, and hours.

Reports from the textile

industry also showed some gains in new orders and a slightly firmer

price situation.

outlook.

Recent rains had greatly improved the agricultural

In the past three weeks reserve city banks in the District

felt increased pressures, which they met with increased borrowings at

the discount window and moderately heavier purchases of Federal funds.

In the country as a whole, Mr. Wayne noted, business activity in

May continued to show moderate improvement, thanks largely to a sharp

increase in outlays for construction and continued high production of

automobiles and steel.

Steel orders had already dropped rather sharply,

and steel production had begun to ease off.

Barring some unforeseen

development, steel production for the remainder of the year would quite

likely be at levels significantly below those of the past three months.

In view of the behavior of steel, it seemed unlikely that manufacturers'

new and unfilled orders were currently continuing to increase as rapidly

as they did from January through April.

The May figures on employment

and unemployment indicated that after seasonal adjustments there was a

slight decline in total employment and a small rise in unemployment.

All of these major indicators seemed to be saying that the improvement

thus far had remained quite moderate and that there was no basis for

expecting any quickening in the tempo in the near future if, indeed, the

present pace could be maintained.

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Turning to monetary policy, Mr. Wayne observed that conditions

in the money market had returned approximately to those prevailing

three weeks ago after some significant tightening for a few days,

perhaps due in part to market reactions, to Treasury problems with the

debt ceiling, and to difficulties encountered by the Desk in making

accurate projections.

The market seemed to be fully aware that there

had been a small move toward less ease, but there was little evidence

that it expected any further move of consequence in that direction in

the immediate future.

In the next few months the economy must adjust

to a lower level of steel production, to the seasonal decline in

automobile

production, and to some rather heavy borrowing by the

Treasury.

It did not seem to him that the momentum that had been

attained by the current improvement in business activity was sufficient

to justify the risk that would be involved in imposing the additional

burden of adjusting to any substantial reduction in credit availability,

short of a situation of actual crisis in this country's international

accounts.

He had read the Coombs memorandum and had listened to Mr.

Hayes' statement this morning, but he saw nothing in the picture to

justify a dramatic change in policy at this time, and a change in the

discount rate would be regarded as a dramatic move.

He continued to

believe that a change in the discount rate should be reserved for a

crisis situation, if it occurred, with the change so dramatic as to be

clearly indicative of what the System intended.

There might be a

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question whether a change of 1/2 per cent would constitute such a move.

In the present circumstances, however, he would favor renewing the

current policy dire-tive in essence, and he would not change the dis

count rate.

Mr. Mills presented the following statement:

The excellent paper that Mr. Coombs has prepared on the

subject of the festering balance of payments problem afflicting

the international financial position of the United States cor

rectly diagnoses capital movements as being its root cause.

Such being the case, higher interest rates are not the right

cure to prescribe, both because of their inefficacy and because

their adoption by policy measures would inevitably unduly

restrict the availability of domestic credit, exert downward

pressure on the money supply, and work consequential damage

on the economy. As I endeavored to emphasize at the Committee's

last meeting, a higher interest rate structure in the United

States mig..t offer some temporary relief to the balance of

payments problem, but only up to the point when our foreign

allies should raise their interest rates as counteroffensive

measures to defend their reserves against the losses of gold

In that event, the entire

and dollars induced by our actions.

rainbow-chasing policy would have ended in failure. As pos

sibilities for reducing official disbursements of United States

dollars abroad and obtaining further repayments on foreign

advances appear to be limited, official United States control

over capital outflows under Treasury administration is the

logical and correct action necessary to curb our losses of

reserves.

The heavy movements of borrowed funds to Canada and Japan,

dollar loans by Belgian and Italian authorities on the London

market, and announcements of future foreign loans to be made

in the New York market evidence the crying need for sterner

measures than a defensive interest rate structure to correct

In fact, foreign observers cannot be blamed if

the situation.

they take a cynical and skeptical attitude to the approach thus

far taken by the United States to its balance of payments dif

ficulties. Until stern measures are adopted, it is reasonable

to expect further foreign loans to be negotiated in the United

the

cheapest market available and one in which it

States as

would be nigh to impossible to officially produce a high enough

domestic long-term interest rate structure as to make borrowings

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abroad more attractive. Moreover, it is probable that some

foreign analysts are influenced by statements of authorities

of the stature of Paul Samuelson, who has publicly called for

devaluation of the United States dollar, and reason that loans

made in the United States are not only cheap interest-wise but

conceivably can be repaid at below their original debt burden

if devaluation should be compelled by financial difficulties

whose correction had been delayed too long. Repeated pro

nouncements from official quarters that our capital markets

will be kept open, and in the face of intolerable balance of

payments deficits, can only lead to further doubts abroad about

the financial policies being followed in this country and their

sustainability.

The balance of payments situation is indeed critically

serious and must be confronted aggressively. If there is no

hope of meeting the problem by adoption of appropriate controls

over capital outflows, and even limitations on tourist expendi

tures, then the final defense must resort to higher interest

I am personally of the opinion that development of a

rates.

higher interest rate structure, and an increase in the discount

rate at this time, will in the long run have harmful economic

consequences, but if the Committee decides on that course, I

shall reluctantly bow to the inevitable.

Mr. Shepardson said it seemed to him that the general movement

of the domestic economy was encouraging.

A period of normal summer

slowdown was approaching, of course, and this would not argue for any

further monetary policy action toward less ease at this time as far as

the domestic economy was concerned.

Like others who had spoken, however,

he was concerned about the international situation, and he was not sure

whether the System could afford to sit tight until a crisis had actually

occurred.

He did not know just how imminent or serious the threat of a

crisis might be; if any further enlightenment was available, he would

like to have it.

On balance, though, he would be inclined to try to

anticipate a crisis by taking less severe action than would be called

for after the crisis actually had occurred.

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For the moment, Mr. Shepardson continued, he felt that it

would be desirable to continue present monetary policy, which he would

understand to contemplate a degree of reserve availability such as to

provide a fluctuation around the three per cent guideline, with some

overages as well as shortfalls.

However, if it became clear that the

international situation was truly alarming, he felt that the System

should seriously consider the possibility of acting in such manner as

might seem to be required prior to the actual eruption of a crisis.

Mr. Mitchell said that on the domestic situation he found

himself close to the position expressed by Mr. Wayne.

He concurred in

the comment of Mr. Noyes to the effect that there would be a case for

letting credit markets ease a little in deference to the summer

doldrums, particularly if accentuated by a steel inventory adjustment.

The Committee's action of May 7 in deciding to move toward a lesser

degree of ease was in his judgment a mistake.

While there had been a

good first half this year, the accelerating factors during that period,

particularly the steel situation, had not succeeded in communicating

themselves to the economy generally, notably to consumer spending.

One

could be fairly sure that there was going to be some decelerating in the

steel industry, and this could spread more easily than the accelerating

effects apparently had spread in the first half of the year.

Accordingly,

as far as the domestic economy was concerned, the Open Market Committee

should be cautious about making any policy changes, even slight,

in the

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direction of tightening.

It might well be that the domestic economy

would not achieve a satisfactory level of operations as far as un

employment was concerned until there was a tax cut and some structual

changes occurred.

In the interim, monetary policy ought to do whatever

it could to keep the domestic economy moving at a relatively high level.

One should not forget that the present level of interest rates was

high, not low, by historical standards.

Mr. Mitchell said his reading of the Annual Report of the

Bank for International Settlements suggested to him the view conveyed

by the excerpt Mr. Furth had read; namely, that this country was doing

about everything it could to maintain the competitiveness of short-term

rates and that this particular goal of monetary policy was appropriate.

Further, the Federal Reserve had built a link of relationships to other

central banks in the past year and a half that had provided a first

line of dollar defense.

What would be gained, then, from a tightening

of monetary policy as far as the international situation was concerned?

The thing that remained to be done was to deal with the basic balance

of payments deficit arising from this country's trading and investing

position.

Admittedly interest rates in this country were lower than

interest rates abroad, but he did not believe the disparity could be

eliminated by raising interest rates here without forcing the domestic

economy into a substantial downturn, one that would quickly require a

complete reversal of monetary policy.

As far as he could see, Mr. Mills

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came to the only logical conclusion regarding the capital outflow

problem.

He would not accept that solution as yet, however, because

he was not convinced that events had moved to the stage of crisis.

Further, he felt that adjustments in Europe through inflation were

proceeding and that they were not going to be halted.

He also felt

that political uncertainties in Europe might become sufficiently acute

that the United States would become a haven for investors before too

long.

In summary, Mr. Mitchell expressed the view that monetary policy

should not be used to crush the domestic economy.

He was rather puzzled

about any suggestion for raising the discount rate to 4 per cent.

This

seemed to imply that once such action was taken the job would have been

done and everyone could rest easily, but in his view the consequences

for the domestic economy would be so serious that the Administration and

the Federal Reserve System would have to face a whole new series of

problems.

The ideal would be to provide some evidence that this country

intended to conform to monetary discipline, while not going so far as to

injure the dcmestic economy.

Basically, the only solution to the inter

national problem consistent with a good solution domestically lay in a

rapidly expanding domestic economy, and in his view this could not be

accomplished through a policy of monetary restraint.

As he had said,

he felt that the Committee should not have decided on the policy change made

in May.

He would like to move back toward a little more ease.

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Mr. Hickman noted that business developments of the past few

weeks generally had been reassuring.

However, developments in the

steel industry would pose an important test for business in the months

immediately ahead.

Revised April figures for retail sales, and preliminary figures

for May, confirmed the generally favorable performance of the consumer

sector.

Total retail sales for the first five months of 1963 were

5-1/2 per cent above those of the corresponding five months a year ago,

and 2 per cent above the immediately preceding five months, after

seasonal adjustment.

Likewise, the most recent Commerce-SEC survey of

capital spending, which indicated modest increases for the third and

fourth quarters, provided added reassurance of support from the business

sector.

Auto sales and output continued at near-record levels in May

and early June.

The seasonally adjusted rate of unemployment rose slightly in

May, due largely to an influx of teen-agers into the labor force.

The

comparable rate for adult male workers, however, remained at a favorable

4.4 per cent level, which compared with 5.1 per cent only three months

ago.

Moreover, the May figure for adult male workers was at its lowest

level, except for one month, in the three past years.

Developments in the Fourth District, Mr. Hickman said, confirmed

the strength of business activity in the nation.

The most recent data

for the District indicated substantial advances in construction contracts,

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electric power output, and bank debits.

The insured unemployment rate

in the District had improved even further through early June, although

at a slackening pace.

The steel situation, as indicated earlier, was now approaching

the point where it would provide an important test for the general trend

of business activity in the nation.

Although declining steel output

would act as a drag on the economy in coming months, it appeared likely

that the economy would be able to absorb the adjustment without changing

direction.

The Reserve Bank's staff economists and other analysts in

the Fourth District were in agreement that a reduction in steel output

even as large as last year's could be absorbed without a decline in the

Board's production index, averaged over the third quarter; most observers

expected the index to rise in the fourth quarter in any event.

This year,

with business confidence stronger and the reduction in steel output

expected to be no larger, and possibly less than last year's, the down

drag from steel should be absorbed at least equally successfully.

Total

steel output for the year was still projeced at approximately 106 million

ingot tons.

As had already been reported, the balance of payments situation

did not improve in May, which portended a second quarter record no better

than that of the first quarter.

The dollar still appeared to be under

pressure despite a slight improvement in the foreign exchanges.

Capital

outflows remained large, in Mr. Hickman's opinion, because of the relatively

favorable terms of financing in this country and the ready availability of

funds.

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In regard to policy, Mr. Hickman said it seemed to him the

point had now been reached where the effects of the slight shift towards

less ease adopted several weeks ago had been fully absorbed by the

market, the financial community, and the national economy.

that another step in the same direction was now needed.

He believed

With the

Treasury due to come back into the market for funds late in July, this

action should be taken promptly.

He would recommend a bill rate in the

3-1/4 - 3-1/2 per cent range, with free reserves around $100 million,

or lower if needed to bring about an appropriate upward adjustment in

the term structure of interest rates.

This would pave the way for an

increase in the discount rate, possibly before the next meeting of this

Committee.

The directive should be reworded to call for increased firm

ness in the money market, rather than a continuation of the same degree

of firmness.

Mr. Hickman went on to say that the foregoing remarks reflected

his views before reading Mr. Coombs' memorandum.

Having read that

memorandum, he was more than ever convinced that the System should move

promptly toward a 91-day bill rate in the range of 3-1/4 - 3-1/2 per

cent.

This would not solve the country's balance of payments difficulties,

but it would help to overcome them, and it would put those who could help

most on notice that the situation required urgent attention.

In Mr.

Hickman's opinion an increase of 1/2 per cent in the bill rate would

have little effect on the business situation.

He felt that business

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would level off and then increase in any event in the months to come

unless there should be a dollar crisis, which all possible steps should

be taken to avoid.

Mr. Bopp reported that developments in the Third District in

the past three weeks had been disappointing.

Because of the timing of

today's meeting, many figures for May were not available.

The most

current data, however, all reflected deterioration or a continuation

of depressed levels.

Earlier hopes for improvement in unemployment claims had been

partly dashed by the latest figures.

Advance indications presaged some

decrease in the Philadelphia help-wanted index for May.

Steel produc

tion, which never did match the national rise, had dropped more from its

top than the national index.

Perhaps symbolic of conditions in the District was the behavior

of department store sales.

They had fallen below the comparable totals

of 1962, and indeed in this respect had turned in the nation's worst

performance.

The estimated May index indicated a small improvement over

April, but not enough to foreshadow any change in the downward average

movement that began late in 1962.

Although special causes

(including a

transit strike and the loss of one department store) accounted for some

of this poor performance, a review of Third District information indicated

that in large part the disappointing store sales results had been associated

with generally sluggish business in the District.

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A progressive tightening appeared to be taking place at Third

District banks.

The basic reserve position of reserve city banks fell

from plus $26.6 million in mid-May to minus $93.6 million in early June.

Country bank borrowing at the discount window rose progressively from

about $600,000 to $3.5 million, the highest figure reached this year on

a weekly average basis.

Data available for the last half of May and

first week in June indicated that bank credit at reporting banks in

creased while total deposits adjusted fell.

The loan increase was

about double that occurring in the same period last year.

Loans to

sales finance companies and to other financial institutions rose, as did

real estate and "all other" loans.

Business loans, however, had remained

quite sluggish.

With conditions as they were in the Third District, Mr. Bopp

said, he started with a natural bent toward a policy of monetary ease.

Looking at the larger picture, it appeared to him that the national

economy was continuing a moderate, unsatisfactory rate of progress

characterized by unacceptable levels of unemployment and resource

utilization.

Recent developments had, if anything, made this fact

clearer and seemed likely to dispel the more extreme forms of optimism

that had circulated in the past few weeks.

This view of the national

economy, therefore, reinforced his preference for ease.

The outlook for the balance of payments, of course, was not good,

Mr. Bopp added.

On the other hand, prevailing levels of short-term rates

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did not offer strong incentives for significant movements of funds on a

covered basis.

For this reason, he believed further tightening would not

be appropriate at this time.

The Committee had taken a position of less

ease than he would prefer, but he would not now recommend a reversal of

that position.

Debt management policies had accomplished very recently

some of the results that he would like to see achieved by monetary

policy.

The improved tone of the money and capital markets that had

resulted from the new cash offering seemed to him desirable (although

the speculative overtones of the issue were, of course, disturbing).

As these effects wore off, he would hope that the Desk could prevent

any sharp shift in the tone of the market.

Perhaps it would be necessary

to rely on the law of averages to produce "misses" on the easier side.

In the meantime, however, he would like to see a reserve supply somewhat

more plentiful than had been the case in recent weeks.

Mr. Bopp expressed the view that a change in the discount rate

would not be in order at this time.

Some change in the first sentence

of the directive might be appropriate to avoid a cumulative emphasis on

the balance of payments.

This could be accomplished by substituting

"maintaining" for "putting increased emphasis on."

Having read the Coombs memorandum rather hastily, Mr. Bopp said,

a point occurred to him that might deserve some thought.

If there should

be a dollar crisis, he assumed the tendency would be to think in terms

of some dramatic credit-tightening action.

This would have reverberations

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in the United States and the rest of the world.

An alternative would

be to resort to the International Monetary Fund and other drawings to

work through the crisis.

Two or three decades from now, others might

look back and say that this would have been the preferable course.

Mr. Bryan commented that Sixth District figures were sufficiently

close to national trends to make a detailed recital of District statistics

unnecessary.

Both in the District and in the nation, the broad dif

fusion of gains shown by economic indicators was impressive.

Also

reassuring was the moderate uptrend in plant and equipment spending,

coming at a time when the economy would probably be disturbed by a

let-down in steel.

In the meantime, the money supply (narrowly defined) exhibited

about a 2.6 per cent increase measured against year-ago figures.

The

total money supply (including time deposits) exhibited a 7.7 per cent

increase from year-ago figures.

Total liquid assets and personal-type

savings continued to show persistent and sharp uptrends.

These factors

probably went a long way toward explaining why the rate reaction to the

System's recent policy shift had been modest and probably indicated

that forces that had kept interest rates remarkably steady for so long

were still at work.

In the light of what he considered a satisfactory economic trend

and prospect, even though no boom was apparent, Mr. Bryan believed that

System policy should be "firm"

but not "tight."

He conceived that to

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have been the System's posture, on average, over the past few weeks.

In that sense, he believed monetary policy should continue unchanged.

Tightness should develop, if at all,

modestly expanding reserve base.

from market demand against a

If he were to state an instruction

in terms of free reserves, he would say that the Committee ought to aim

at a level (daily average basis) falling within a range of $100 million

to $200 million, but preferably toward the lower end of that range.

However, he would like to point out that what he regarded as more basic

reserve figures still exhibited an overage from December, when policy

shifted--an overage as measured against even a 3 per cent growth factor.

This point was discussed in the staff memorandum on reserves.

He still

believed, as he had recently been saying, that it would be preferable to

fall back to a 2 per cent growth rate in seasonally adjusted reserves

despite the case presented by Mr. Koch.

Total reserves, incidentally, had been exhibiting a slightly

greater borrowed component, Mr. Bryan noted.

ment as appropriate in existing circumstances.

He regarded this develop

Since the increas

in

borrowings presented no policing problems at the moment, and a change

in the discount rate would be taken as an announcement of a considerable,

even a drastic shift to a policy of restraint, he would not presently

consider an increase in the discount rate as desirable, particularly

when considered in the light of the situation with respect to manpower,

materiel and productive capacity.

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Mr. Bryan commended Mr. Coombs' memorandum for its contribution

to Committee thinking.

Essentially, he pointed out, the argument made

in the memorandum rested for validity on points that he (Mr. Bryan)

was not fully in a position to judge.

It appeared, however, that an

interest rate adjustment, as referred to in the memorandum, would have

to exert a substantial impact on capital outflows without at the same time

creating offsetting domestic repercussions, and Mr. Bryan was not certain

in his own mind whether these dual objectives could be achieved.

Second,

it seemed that if such action were to influence capital outflows, there

must be an assumption that European rates would not follow U. S. rates

upward, and he was not entirely sanguine on that score.

From his read

ings, there appeared to be developing in Europe--as elsewhere in the

world--a new wave of nationalism, though perhaps in somewhat different

form from the nationalism of the past.

Further, the measures mentioned

in the Coombs memorandum might have a desirable technical result, but of

a relatively temporary nature, and Mr. Bryan was skeptical of the value

of good temporary results.

He was by no means philosophically convinced

that the Federal Reserve System had performed a good service through its

program of foreign currency operations.

These operations had been tech

nically successful and capably handled, but he wondered if it might not

have been better just to lose gold.

Things of a more fundamental nature

had to be done about the balance of payments.

In a further comment, Mr. Bryan noted that the Coombs memorandum

had suggested that it might be possible to raise the short-term rate

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toward 3-1/2 per cent and at the same time prevent a proportionate--or

perhaps even any notable--increase in long-term rates.

whether this could be done.

rate curve as

Mr. Bryan doubted

The rate curve was already quite flat; a

flat as the memorandum seemed to contemplate could easily

lead to the unfunding of the public debt with a large volume of long-term

Government securities being offered to the Federal Reserve System.

Mr. Shuford reported that business activity in the major cities

of the Eignth District continued to improve moderately from April to May.

However, the level of business activity was only slightly higher than a

year ago.

Preliminary figures suggested that employment in the major

labor markets rose from April to May.

Bank deposits rose rapidly in

April and May and business loans had increased since March, regaining

the growth lost early in 1963.

Generally speaking, business conditions

in the District were roughly parallel to those in the nation.

Altogether,

the improvement that had been seen recently was encouraging, even though

there was no evidence of an economic boom.

Mr. Shuford noted that the balance of payments situationregardless of whether it had approached crisis proportions--was serious.

As he had observed on other occasions, the real correction lay in areas

other than monetary policy.

He would like to see additional and more

positive actions taken in some of those areas.

A meeting of the problem

through increasing short-term rates would appear to afford only temporary

relief and might prolong the fundamental corrections toward which the

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country should be working.

At the same time, monetary policy had a role

to play; in his view it had already played a significant role.

he recognized that most of the fundamental

range in nature.

Also,

corrections were longer

Therefore, if it appeared that a crisis situation

was approaching, he would be willing to consider an increase of some

magnitude in the discount rate, either 1/2 or 3/4 per cent.

If the

situation had developed to a point of urgency, and if a significant move

seemed necessary to safeguard confidence in the dollar, he would certainly

think it desirable to consider taking such a measure.

However, he

hesitated to conclude that a crisis situation had been reached; if

additional facts were available, it would be helpful to have them.

Before reaching any final conclusion on the discount rate, he would

prefer to wait and hear a full discussion.

Therefore, Mr. Shuford said, he would prefer to continue the

degree of money market firmness that had existed over the past three

weeks.

He would prefer no change in the discount rate unless it should

be decided that a crisis situation clearly was approaching.

Mr. Latham reported that basically the New England economy

continued to show improvement, although still lagging behind the national

rate of growth.

Bankers and businessmen generally reflected cautious

optimism, expressing the opinion that the local economy was at a high

level, moving slowly but steadily upward.

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Purchasing agents reported higher production and increased

new orders in May, with fewer decreases compared with April.

Personal

incomes appeared to have slowed in growth rate, although still running

ahead of last year.

May department store sales were good and were running generally

3 per cent above a year ago in early June.

New car sales and registra

tions continued at high levels, with dealers optimistic.

Savings deposits resumed their upward trend after the April

dividend lull, with new deposits exceeding withdrawals at mutual savings

banks, where the annual growth rate was running at about 7 per cent.

Loans continued at high levels at member banks, with loan-to

deposit and liquidity ratios at 68.8 and 13.4 compared with 65.9 and

17.9, respectively, a year ago.

Loans and investments in municipals

continued to rise at the expense of both short and longer term

Governments.

The

sentiment expressed by officials of the District's larger

banks was in favor of current System policy, with the feeling generally

that money had been too easy.

Mr. Hemmings reported that a number of key indicators of economic

activity in the Twelfth District showed gains.

The employment situation

appeared to have improved slightly in May, while the unemployment rate

in California and Washington, which together account for 80 per cent of

total Twelfth District employment, dropped slightly below the April level

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of 6 per cent.

Lumber prices had risen because of a widespread strike

in the Pacific Northwest and an increase in new orders.

Steel produc

tion was up more in May and fell less in June than nationally, and there

was a continuing high level of construction activity in most District

States.

Consumer buying was strong in May, with department store sales

up 8 per cent from April.

New car registrations in California were

down in the first half of May compared with April, but nevertheless reached a

record for this particular period.

A number of savings and loan associations in Southern California

and Arizona had announced cuts in dividend rates to take effect either in

July or September.

Generally speaking the reduction would be from 4.8

There were some indications that reductions

per cent to 4.5 per cent.

also might occur at savings and loan associations in the San Francisco

area in the third quarter.

From May 15 to June 5, business loans at District banks declined

more than in the corresponding period a year ago, but security holdings

increased in contrast to the decline nationally and more than offset the

decrease in total loans.

Time deposits were up more than in the corre

sponding period a year ago.

of Federal

The larger banks continued to be net sellers

funds, and net sales increased somewhat during the past week.

Mr. Balderston observed that the international situation presented

not only the question of what should be done but when.

The indication of

increasing unwillingness of foreign central banks to hold dollars, as

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referred to in Mr. Coombs' memorandum, was not a new or surprising

development.

Foreign bankers who had visited here during the past

year had been indicating clearly that they were holding dollars with

increasing reluctance.

As to Mr. Shepardson's admonition against waiting for an actual

crisis to occur to trigger defensive action, Mr. Balderston indicated

that he agreed in principle.

It appeared that the System would be well

advised to take suitable action as early as it could find ways of taking

such action.

He also hoped that steps might be taken toward some reduc

tion of the flow of Government spending abroad for military purposes

and toward confining foreign aid to essential projects that the United

States could afford under present conditions.

As to the outflow of

private capital, he believed that direct controls would not work because

of the opportunities for avoidance.

that would not have many leaks.

He could not imagine any controls

Further, he believed that widespread

discussion of direct controls would serve to precipitate developments

such as the Committee was worried about this morning.

deterrents could be administered more effectively.

Possibly tax

That might be a more

feasible approach if such deterrents could be placed in effect without

extended debate chat might precipitate a crisis.

As to monetary policy, Mr. Balderston indicated that he con

sidered the question of timing to be most difficult.

For the forthcoming

three weeks, however, he would favor continuing within the general scope

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of the policy adopted on May 7, but with enough further lessening of

ease to encourage the bill rate to move about 3 per cent.

Looking at

the recent behavior of the stock market, the increase in farm land

values over the past year, the sporadic price advances reported during

recent weeks;, the continued upward movement of time and savings deposits,

and the continued upward movement of wage rates and fringe benefits,

it appeared that the economy had more liquidity than it could make use

of effectively.

Flooding the country with liquidity would not put to

work the younger folks who had recently left school and wanted jobs,

which unfortunately had been priced out of their reach.

Chairman Martin commented that he was more and more convinced

that domestic and international considerations could not be separated

at this juncture.

In his opinion, the shift in policy toward slightly

less ease at the May 7 meeting was appropriate; the situation would be

even more difficult if monetary policy was not in its present posture.

Further, he did not believe that the domestic economy would suffer from

a lesser degree of monetary ease.

Instead, he felt that it would benefit,

strange as that might seem--and the balance of payments position would

at least temporarily be improved.

Whether it would be improved over the

longer run was, as Mr. Bryan has suggested, a different story, but the

System could not be responsible for all of the factors in the current

situation.

The views presented in Mr. Coombs' memorandum involved, of

course, an element of judgment.

One could not be sure whether Mr. Coombs

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had accurately assessed the present situation, and probably this would

not be known for some time.

He (the Chairman) had been talking crisis

himself for perhaps 15 months.

It might take another 15 months before

a crisis actually occurred, if it did occur.

indications, including reports in the press,

However, there were

of an ebbing of confidence

in the dollar at this juncture.

In further comments, the Chairman pointed out that no one could

foretell how much effect changes in monetary policy out of deference to

the international position of the dollar might have on the domestic

economy.

Nevertheless, there were some inconsistencies in the present

debate that he felt should be pointed out.

For example, the argument

was made that higher interest rates would not achieve any results from

the standpoint of the balance of payments, but on the other hand it was

maintained that higher interest rates would be disruptive to the domestc

economy.

In his opinion, one could never know about this sort of thing

in the absence of experimentation.

Personally, he would hate to see an

abrupt move on the discount rate in an actual crisis situation, feeling

that it would be sounder to move in an orderly way and try to let the

traditional forces operate unless it became clear that they would not

work.

The fact must be faced, Chairman Martin continued, that timing

was a key problem.

In his opinion, the System should not necessarily

feel bound by the traditional even keel policy during periods that the

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Treasury was in the market.

When it came to the question of timing,

he noted, it must be realized that everyone was likely to have dif

ferent judgments.

It might be that a payments crisis would come,

although he was not convinced that it was here now.

However, while

he did not pretend to know the right timing for System policy action,

he was convinced that the country ought not to take a step such as

devaluation of the dollar or the institution of direct controls before

interest rates had been given some chance to have a play on capital

flows.

Unfortunately, he felt that he detected around the country a

growing sentiment that devaluation was the answer, or that direct controls

were the answer.

This was disheartening to him.

He hoped that there

would not be such an experiment before indirect controls and market

forces were given an opportunity.

If direct controls were used, the

trend toward nationalism about which the Committee had been talking was

apt to become worldwide overnight.

The United States was the last strong

citadel of multilateral nondiscriminatory trade and convertible currencies

as world policies.

Its leadership in the world stood on that fact.

Chairman Martin added that although the time might be at hand

for cutting back on foreign aid and military expenditures abroad, the

System was not in a position to take such steps.

In terms of capital

flows, however, he had some feeling that a modest change in interest

rates at some point would do more to restore confidence.

Economists,

he thought, had never quite come to grips with the item of confidence and

the things that go with it.

Things ought to be locigal, but the market

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is never logical and people are never logical.

It seemed important to

try to find a middle ground.

The Chairman said that personally he would be inclined to move

modestly toward less ease.

He added, parenthetically, that he questioned

the use of the word "tightness" at this juncture.

Never had he seen a

period when there was so much loose speculation with money.

The practice

of American banks in using the Euro-dollar market was growing all the

time, and this was due primarily to interest rate differentials.

This

should be a matter of concern to the Federal Reserve System.

To repeat, the Chairman said, he was convinced that no considera

tion should be given to moves such as devaluation of the dollar or direct

capital controls until there had been a testing to see whether the domestic

economy was going to be set back by moves in the area of indirect controls.

As to today's meeting, Chairman Martin noted that the majority

opinion within the Committee seemed to favor no change in the present

monetary policy although it might be a rather close call,

insofar as the

current position was concerned, between no change in policy and slightly

less ease.

The Chairman added the comment, in this connection, that it was

hardly appropriate to start talking about tight money until net free

reserves gave way to net borrowed reserves.

He also expressed the view

that there were many tenuous elements in the current situation.

No matter

whether one looked at the stock market or the real estate market, small

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business activities, or some of the fringe activities of defense opera

tions, there was a speculative movement around the country that was in

a way reminiscent of the 1929 period.

He did not believe that this

situation was likely to come to a head within the next six or nine months,

and he hoped that he was too pessimistic with regard to the international

situation, but he felt that the monetary and credit situation in this

country was not healthy.

Wherever one looked, there was too much credit

available, whether it was in the area of consumer instalment credit or

real estate credit or some other area, and this was a hazard that must

be recognized.

He would only propose today that the problem be kept

closely in mind.

The Chairman then suggested that a vote to be taken on the basis

of no change in present monetary policy during the forthcoming three

weeks, which would be signified by making no change in the current economic

policy directive.

Accordingly, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York was authorized and directed, until

otherwise directed by the Committee, to ex

ecute transactions in the System Account in

accordance with the following current economic

policy directive:

It is the Committee's current policy to accommodate moderate

growth in bank credit, while putting increased emphasis on money

market conditions that would contribute to an improvement in the

capital account of the U. S. balance of payments.

This policy

takes into consideration the continuing adverse balance of pay

ments position and its cumulative effects and the improved

domestic business outlook, as well as the increases in bank

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credit, money supply, and the reserve base in recent months.

At the same time, however, it recognizes the continuing

underutilization of resources.

To implement this policy, System open market operations

shall be conducted with a view to continuing the degree of

firmness in the money market that has prevailed recently,

while accommodating moderate reserve expansion.

Votes for this action:

Messrs. Martin,

Bopp, Clay, Irons, Mills, Scanlon, and

Shepardson.

Votes against this action:

Messrs. Hayes, Balderston, and Mitchell.

Messrs. Hayes and Balderston dissented because they felt that

the Committee should move in the direction of slightly less ease, while

Mr. Mitchell dissented because he favored a return to the greater degree

of ease that had existed prior to the shift of policy decided upon by

the Committee on May 7, 1963.

Chairman Martin said that, as indicated

by his earlier comments, his inclination was to move toward less ease.

He would have so voted if he had thought it would serve any purpose to

take that position at this time.

It was noted that the Account Manager had recommended, in his

oral report today, that the continuing authority directive to the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York be amended to raise from $1 billion

to $1.5 billion the limit on changes in the System Open Market Account

during the next three weeks.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, section 1(a) of the

continuing authority directive was amended

so as to authorize and direct the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York, to the extent

necessary to carry out the current economic

policy directive:

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(a)

To buy or sell United States Government securities

in the open market, from or to Government securities dealers

and foreign and international accounts maintained at the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, on a cash, regular, or de

ferred delivery basis, for the System Open Market Account at

market prices and, for such Account, to exchange maturing

United States Government securities with the Treasury or allow

them to mature without replacement; provided that the aggregate

amount of such securities held in such Account (including

forward commitments, but not including such special short-term

certificates of indebtedness as may be purchased from the

Treasury under paragraph 2 hereof) shall not be increased or

decreased by more than $1.5 billion during any period between

meetings of the Committee.

Mr. Hayes stated that there had been several points made during

today's discussion that he felt warranted some comment.

First, the

Annual Report of the Bank for International Settlements did contain the

sentences that. were read by Mr. Furth.

Reading the full report, however,

or at least the sections on interest rates, he felt that clearly the

atmosphere was one of favoring a less easy monetary policy in the United

States.

This was also the thinking of European central bankers with whom

he (Mr. Hayes) had been in contact.

As to direct capital controls, Mr. Hayes expressed agreement with

the observations of Chairman Martin and Mr. Balderston.

This would be a

futile thing to get into if the System had not done everything possible

to avoid such controls through the use of conventional monetary instruments.

It represented indulgence in wishful thinking, Mr. Hayes felt,

to hope that inflation and political upsets in Europe could be relied

upon to solve the U. S. balance of payments problem.

With reference to

the suggestion that European central banks just be allowed to take U. S.

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gold, he could think of nothing that would be much more likely to

trigger a loss of confidence by U. S. citizens generally.

With reference

to the question of short-term rates, he warned against placing too much

reliance on the fact that covered rates were now fairly well in balance.

This represented overemphasis on one phase of the short-term rate

picture.

A great many flows were going on without reference to the

covered rates.

As to the suggestion that a move on the part of the System

should be one intended to have some lasting effect, Mr. Hayes said that

if a higher short-term rate structure could be achieved, possibly that

would have lasting effects for years in the balance of payments area.

As to long-term rates, he had only suggested softening the effects of

a policy move at this time to see whether they could be confined mostly

to the short-term area.

If so, obviously this would have advantages for

the domestic economy.

On the question whether any change in the discount rate should

be in the order of one-half per cent or one per cent,

Mr.Hayes said he

came out clearly in his own mind that an increase of one-half per cent

would be vastly preferable.

The necessity of having to make a larger

adjustment might be obviated by making a smaller move sooner.

An increase

of one-half per cent would provide a strong signal of what the System

intended, especially since the discount rate had been at 3 per cent

for such a long time.

It should have the effect of encouraging actions

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by other parts of the Government as effectively as a larger increase,

but it would be less conducive to a move on the prime rate.

It would

do less to complicate the Treasury's problem, to engender political

difficulties, and to generate offsetting actions abroad.

As to whether there was indeed a payments crisis at hand,

Mr. Hayes noted that no one could tell for certain about the timing.

As Mr. Balderston said, this had been developing slowly over a period

of time.

Mr. Hayes was rather surprised that some of the Committee

members seemed to feel that something might have been happening during

the past few weeks about which they had not been informed.

It was a matter

of judgment as to when a process that had been developing over a long

period of time would get to the breaking point.

He agreed with what

Mr. Shepardson and Mr. Balderston had said about anticipating rather

than waiting.

A mild move would run much less risk of harm to the

domestic economy than a severe move, and he could not see why anyone

would want to wait until the last moment before doing anything.

It was

human nature, of course, to want to pass the buck to someone else to

solve a problem, but he could see signs that the Government in general

was increasingly aware of the seriousness of the problem.

The System

should not fail to be among the ranks of those who were ready to do

their part.

Mr. Mitchell did not agree that the System could make any policy

move that would change the fundamental relationship of the two ends of

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the interest rate structure.

In order for that to occur, the marginal

efficiency of capital in this country must rise, and no policy the

System could adopt would make that happen.

What could develop was an

artificial structure in which interest rates would be fixed, as they

had been at the short end.

This was one reason why people had so much

money; there was no reason to fund under the existing rate structure.

Mr. Mitchell agreed that the question of timing was an important point.

In his view there should be either a structural change at home or def

inite evidence that the economy was on its way before it would be

appropriate to use the kind of medicine Mr. Hayes was advocating.

It

would never solve the question of the marginal efficiency of capital in

this country.

Mr. Hickman commented that the marginal efficiency of capital

involved an equating of expected future returns and present costs.

The

expectational element depended in part on the degree of concern about

the balance of payments situation.

vestment

If this was a factor deterring in

it would appear that a firmer monetary policy would raise the

marginal efficiency of capital.

In other words, decisions to invest

involved judgments as to the future, which included concern about the

precarious position of the dollar.

It seemed to him that there was much

to be said on both sides of the question.

The raising of interest rates

might deter some investment, but at the same time it would represent a

forward step in dealing with the balance of payments problem.

Failure

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to take action might result in undermining the quality of credit and lay

the groundwork for a recession in the future.

In his opinion, an unduly

easy monetary policy was not going to help unemployment or promote the

longer run utilization of capital in this country.

The discussion concluded with further comments by the Chairman

and other members of the Committee, reflecting their views on various

aspects of the domestic credit situation and the balance of payments

problem.

It

was agreed that the next meeting of the Open Market Committee

would be held on Tuesday, July 9, 1963.

The meeting then adjourned.

Secretary

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1963, June 17). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19630618
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19630618,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1963},
  month = {Jun},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19630618},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}