fomc minutes · September 30, 1963

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, October 1, 1963, at 9:30 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Bopp

Clay

Irons

Mitchell

Mills

Robertson

Scanlon

Shepardson

Messrs. Hickman, Shuford, and Swan, Alternate Members

of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Ellis, Bryan, and Deming, Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of Boston, Atlanta, and

Minneapolis, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistart Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Noyes, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Brill, Eastburn, Furth, Green,

Holland, Koch, and Tow, Associate Economi.sts

Mr. Stone, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open Market

Account

Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel, Board of Governors

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary, Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Yager, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Miss Eaton, Secretary, Office of the Secretary,

Board of Governors

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Mr. Heflin, First Vice President of the Federal

Reserve Bank of Richmond

Messrs. Holmes, Mann, Ratchford, Rawlings, Jones,

and Grove, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of New York, Cleveland,

Richmond, Atlanta, St. Louis, and San

Francisco, respectively

Mr. Litterer, Assistant Vice President, Federal

Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

Mr. Eisenmenger, Director of Research, Federal

Reserve Bank of Boston

Mr. Cooper, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the minutes of the

meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee held on August 20, 1963, were

approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the Committee

a report from the Special Manager of the System Open Market Account on

foreign exchange market conditions and on Open Market Account and

Treasury operations in foreign currer.cies .or the period September 10

through Septenber 25, 1963, together with a supplementary report

covering the period September 26 through September 30, 1963.

these reports have been placed in

Copies of

the files of the Committee.

Supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs commented that the

U. S. gold stock remained unchanged this week for the seventh successive

week.

He was hopeful that the Treasury would be able to get by for

another month without showing further losses.

From time to time there

had been a certain amount of speculative buying of gold in the London

market, but this influence had been overshadowed by heavy Russian sales

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to finance wheat purchases in addition to the usual seasonal needs.

At the beginning of September the gold pool reserve was reduced to a

low level, but since then it had been rebuilt and some gold had been

disbursed to members of the pool.

Mr. Coombs observed that the preliminary U. S. balance of

payments figures suggested improvement in the month of September from

the heavy August deficit.

While one would not be able to tell with

certainty until the figures for the third quarter were available in

more detail, he had the impression from various sources that there

might be a major improvement occurring in the capital market, with a

virtual freeze on new foreign long-term issues, and possibly a

substantial decline in short-term outflows.

This could conceivably be

offset by delay on the part of corporations in repatriating profits,

due to some concern about the possibility that additional measures might

be taken that would impair their ability to invest funds abroad.

A hopeful sign in the short-term capital area was the fact that

New York City banks seemed to be moving into a stronger competitive

position vis-a-vis the Euro-dollar market and Canadian banks.

A three-

month rate of 3-5/8 per cent was now fairly common in New York City,

with a number of quotations at 3-3/4 per cent recently, as compared with

Euro-dollar rates of 4-1/16 to 4-1/8 per cent and a Canadian rate of

3-7/8 per cent.

Even a slight stiffening of rates here, combined with a

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slight easing of European and Canadian rates, could bring about a

substantive return flow of deposits.

The foreign exchange markets had been beset by severe

pressures, mainly focusing on the Canadian dollar, the Dutch guilder,

the German mark, the Swiss franc, and the Italian lira.

A deficit

in the Italian payments balance was appearing again, and there were

indications that the Bank of Italy might be about to put pressure on

Italian commercial banks borrowing in the Euro-dollar market.

would be helpful in bringing down Euro-dollar rates.

This

If the Bank of

Italy were unsuccessful in its endeavor, it would be faced with a

choice of accepting heavy reserve losses or seeking credit assistance

by drawing against the Federal Reserve swap facility or going to the

International Monetary Fund.

In an effort to relieve somewhat this

prospective pressure on the Italian payments position, Mr. Coombs had

recommended to the Treasury that the Stabilization Fund begin to

acquire lire against dollars in anticipation of prepaying liradenominated Treasury bonds.

This suggestion had been accepted, and

the program was under way, with about $15 million of lire having been

purchased thus far.

It was also important, Mr. Coombs added, to inject

into the picture the concept of reversibility as far as Treasury

intermediate-term foreign currency bonds were concerned.

In the case of the Swiss franc, Mr. Coombs said that more than

$100 million in forward contracts had been made for the account of the

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U. S. Treasury to stem the volume of capital flows into Switzerland.

Speculation cn the possibility of some drastic revision of the

international financial system being proposed at Fund and Bank

meetings had probably played a role, and credit conditions in

Switzerland were a bit on the tight side.

In the past few days the

pressures had become even stronger, and it was impossible to deal with

them through forward operations.

The Swis% National Bank was compelled

to take in over $50 million, putting dollar reserves above the usual

ceiling of $175 million.

It seemed desirable to mop up the surplus

dollars by drawing on the swap facility wit.h the Bank for International

Settlements, and this had been done.

If there should be an improvement

in psychology, perhaps the Account could begin reverse operations.

During the past period, there had also been severe pressure in

the guilder market.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the

System Open Market Account transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

September 10 through 30, 1963, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Coombs recommended renewal, on a three-month basis, of the

swap arrangements with the Swiss National Bank, the Bank for International Settlements, the Bank of Italy, the Austrian National Bank, and

the Bank of Sweden, all of which were to mature shortly (the most recent

renewals were dated July 18, 1963, in the first three cases, July 24 in

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the fourth case, and July 17 in the final case).

The amounts of the

current swap arrangements were $50 million with the Bank of Sweder.,

$150 million with the Bank of Italy, $100 million with the Swiss

National Bank and the Bank for International Settlements, and $50

million with the Austrian National Bank.

Mr. Swan noted that the Austrian swap was originally designed

for the purpose of delaying gold losses temporarily, and he inquired

as to the current situation.

Mr. Coombs replied that Austria was continuing to run a balance

of payments surplus and that he saw no turn in the immediate offing.

It seemed inadvisable to draw on the swap, in these circumstances, to

try to mop up the surplus dollars.

Probably the only answer, aside

from gold sales, to further Austrian acquisitions of dollars would be

the issuance of U. S. Treasury foreign currency bonds; since the

Treasury had that facility available, it seemed prudent for the

Federal Reserve to stay out of the picture.

Mr. Mills noted that certain European countries, such as

Austria, with balance of trade deficits were balancing their international accounts through tourist trade revenues.

In Italy, particularly,

there had been comments recently concerning the pressure Italy was

feeling at the present time because of the seasonal reduction in tourist

expenditures, which was aggravating the balance of payments deficit.

He

inquired whether there appeared to be any inclination to reduce imports

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from the United States as a means of lessening dependence on tourist

expenditures.

Also, there was an outflow of dollars from this country in the

form of such expenditures that could be plugged quickly if the

Government saw fit.

Mr. Coombs observed that any such restrictive action might

result in quick retaliation abroad.

Various types of moral suasion

might be used to some extent, but drastic efforts to reduce tourist

expenditures could result in the use of retaliatory measures.

In further discussion of this point., it was mentioned that

restrictions on tourist expenditures had been dropped by all of the

major industrialized countries except Japan and that the introduction

of new restrictions in that regard by countries with convertible

currencies might raise questions under Article VIII of the Articles

of Agreement of the International Monetary Fund.

It was also noted

that in the case of Austria, for example, tourist expenditures by U. S.

citizens formed only a small part of the total tourist revenue.

Mr. Coombs then noted that the International Monetary Fund,

at its annual meeting now in progress, would probably recommend a

comprehensive study of ways and means of dealing with the problem of

international liquidity.

The System's reciprocal currency arrangements

with foreign central banks performed an important function in providing

such liquidity.

If these arrangements were to come under some type of

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international study, he thought it would be desirable to close any

remaining gaps in the network and try to improve the alignment of

the individual swap arrangements to such extent as might seem

indicated in the light of potential payments swings.

The Committee

had discussed this on a number of occasions; and at the last meeting

he had suggested the desirability of increasing the size of the

German and Italian swap lines.

The potential swings in

the German

and Italian dollar positions as the result of temporary seasonal or

other reversible flows clearly appeared, in the light of actual

experience, to exceed the $150 million swap lines now in force.

He

would, therefore, like to request authorization to negotiate with the

German Federal Bank and the Bank of Italy to increase the swap

agreement to

a level of $250 million in each case.

Mr. Mills inquired as to the reason for an undertaking of

that sort with Italy when the payments swing was moving against that

country, and Mr. Coombs suggested that it was necessary, in these

matters,

to tink in

terms of a two-way street.

got into difficulty, it was just as iportant

When a

foreign partner

to do what was possible

through the swap arrangements to support its position as for that

country to support the U. S. position when this country was in

difficulty.

If the Italians ran into balance of payments problems, as

in recent months, it would be more advantageous for the United States

and for the world payments system if these swings could be taken care

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of through the use of such arrangements than if alternative measures

were used that would have an adverse impact on the U. S. balance of

payments deficit.

Mr. Mills inquired whether, in the case of Italy, the proposal

was aimed at providing background support for the lira; whether, even

though there was not an urgent need for this country to help, Mr. Coombs

would anticipate their drawing on the swap arrangement even in advance

of repayment of the longer term debts this country had already incurred

in

Italy.

Mr. Coombs indicated that he was hcpeful that the Treasury

would move to prepay outstanding lira-denominated bonds, but he doubted

that this would suffice to take care of the

Italian balance of payments.

possible deficit in the

In the present situation, it seemed likely

that the Italians would draw on the swap.

On the other hand, the System

had drawn on the swap too, and the Treasury had done a great deal of

financing in Italy.

Over the next few months, the System might have to

draw on the enlarged German swap; and the Italians might have to draw

on their swap arrangement.

Mr. Mills asked whether the Italians had indicated that they

hoped for an increase in the swap, and Mr. Coombs said the Italians

had indicated that they felt a bit short in terms of international credit.

They were seeking an increase in their quota from the Fund, but in the

short run they might well have a need for immediate credit.

The most

effective way of supplying that credit would be under the swap.

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Mr. Mitchell inquired whether the Bank of Italy should not

initiate negotiations if it felt the current swap line was inadequate,

and Mr. Coombs replied that in due course he thought such a general

procedure would be appropriate.

In actual fact, however, the System

had taken the lead throughout in the swap arrangements;

it was being

There were competing ideas as

looked to for leadership and guidance.

to just where the whole development of the international financial

system might be going, with some individuals supporting ideas that

were not at all sympathetic to the U. S.

He continued to feel that

for quite a while the System might have to retain the initiative.

Chairman Martin expressed the view that while the problem had

not been solved entirely, considerable progress had been made in

developing an understanding of what was involved.

Mr. Hayes emphasized the helpful attitude of the Italians

during the past couple of years at times when the U. S. needed help.

He agreed with Mr. Coombs that this country was being looked to for

leadership in the new fabric that was being built.

Other countries

seemed to like the idea of increasing the swap lines; this was a fully

cooperative move and not something the System was trying to press, but

the System was being looked to for guidance.

Mr. Robertson asked whether the enlarged swap line had already

been discussed with the Italians, and Mr. Coombs said that System representatives had been raising general questions over a period of months

as to what extent swap lines should be tied into swings in payments

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positions.

This had been done in the case of the Bank of Italy.

There had been nothing very specific in these discussions, but the

possibility of increasing the swap facility had been mentioned.

System representatives had taken the line generally that this was a

fluid, experimental thing, and that there was a real possibility in

certain instances that larger credit facilities might be useful.

Mr. Ellis suggested that as long as the U. S. remained in a

deficit position, the swap arrangement was looked upon as another stopgap device to help the U. S. with its balence of payments problem.

Each time the swap lines were increased piecemeal, this added to the

impression.

He asked whether it seemed that with the two proposed

increases, tne swap network might remain in status quo for some period

of time.

Mr. Coombs replied that with these two increases, and with

two other proposals that he would mention later, he felt that the

swap network would be pretty well rounded out.

Mr. Mills stated at this point that he would feel obliged to

dissent from the Italian proposal as being premature.

It was

important, he thought, that the record disclose this discussion because

this appeared to be a turning point.

The range of procedures that was

proposed to be followed varied from some of the considerations that

had drawn the Committee initially into the program of foreign currency

operations.

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Mr. Hayes then commented that it seemed to him that from the

outset the Committee had recognized that, although the pressures then

being dealt with were nearly all against the dollar, the swap arrargements were two-way facilities.

Chairman Martin expressed the view that it would be unfortunate

at this juncture to say that this was the point where the swap program

was going to be cut off.

It seemed to him that these experimental

operations hac been useful and effective.

Mr. Mills commented, however, that in the Italian matter the

System was offering a plan that had not been proposed to it, and with

no fundamental reason that he could see for undertaking it at this

point.

He alo suggested that Committee representatives should be

on

cautious about engaging in conversations leading to commitments

behalf of the Committee.

Mr. Coombs replied that there had been no commitment.

It seemed

to him that it was essential, in such a matter, for the Committee to

have knowledge as to how a foreign central bank would react; whethe. it

would look with

favor or disfavor upon a particular operation.

This

sort of thing was discussed in general terms on a regular basis.

Otherwise, he would not be able to inform the Committee as to how the

whole picture was shaping up in the eyes of the foreign central banks.

Chairman Martin commented that he felt there had been an evolution of thinking even within the Committee, which had been somewhat

skeptical in its original approach.

In his opinion, considerable progress

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had been made

But negotiations, to be successful, had to be conducted

over a period of time and in a framework of continuous discussions.

Mr. Mitchell again raised the question whether it would not

be appropriate in principle to let the Bank of Italy bring up the

matter of an increase in the swap line.

He recalled that the Com-

mittee had discussed on several occasions possible guidelines for the

size of swap

agreements.

A staff memorandum had been prepared at one

point that, as he recalled, indicated that it was not practicable to

lay down hard and fast guidelines, so the Committee had been moving

more or less as the need dictated.

He did not feel that there was

anything to dictate a need for an increase in the swap agreement with

the Bank

of Italy as far as the System was concerned.

Mr. Coombs expressed doubt that it was possible to calculate

too far in advance.

A year ago, for example, it would have been

difficult to foresee developments that led now to suggest increasirg

certain swap lines.

Mr. Robertson inquired about the possibility of acting on a

basis whereby the Committee would agree to approve an increase in the

swap agreement if the Bank of Italy so requested, and Mr. Coombs

suggested that if the System approached the German Federal Bank and

negotiated a swap increase, the Bank of Italy might wonder why it had

not been approached in similar fashion.

If the System waited to be

approached, that might create some misunderstanding.

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the U. S. balance of payments, from a drawing by the Bank of Italy

under the swap facility as opposed to possible alternative procedures,

following which Mr. Balderston said that when the Committee initiated

the foreign currency program, he was somewhat concerned about how

these arrangements might end up.

dissipated,

Although his concern had been

.t seemed to him that one criticism that had been leveled

should be dissipated, namely, that the United States had arranged these

operations ir.order to avoid meeting the basic issue of re-establishing

equilibrium in its balance of payments.

Unless the System continued to

take the initiative in arranging these swaps with foreign central banks,

the critics would be confirmed in their opinion that the System's only

interest was in meeting U. S. difficulties rather than in working with

the industrialized nations toward the development of a formula that

would meet speculative runs on a currency.

If the Committee were to

approve the German swap increase, but. not approve the Italian, that

would confirm the views of the critics that the U. S. was looking out

for itself only.

Mr. Hayes said he thought it was worth stressing that, while

the Italian balance of payments picture looked rather weak now, such

things have a way of changing fast.

It had been only about a year

since the Italian picture looked very strong, and the U. S. Treasury

was concerned about how to meet the pressure on the dollar.

This was

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a country of considerable importance, with payments swings large

enough in both directions to warrant a swap agreement of $250

million.

Mr. Mitchell then indicated that although he would prefer

to have the Bank of Italy approach the Federal Reserve, he would not

pursue the point further.

He would withdraw his objections on that

basis.

Mr. Mills stated that he would wish to be recorded as

dissenting.

He thought it was important that there be a clear

indication in the record that the subject had had exhaustive discussion., and was anything but a closed matter.

Thereupon, upon mot on duly made

and seconded, the renewal

for three

months each of five reciprocal currency

agreements that were to mature shortly,

as recommended by Mr. Coombs, was

authorized; and Mr. Coombs was authorized to negotiate increases from $150

million to $250 million each in the

reciprocal currency agreements with the

German Federal Bank and Bank of Italy.

The actions taken were by unanimous

vote except that Mr. Mills dissented

from authorizing the negctiation of an

increase in the swap agreement with the

Bank of Italy.

Mr. Coombs said there was ample evidence that the present

swap arrangement with the Netherlands Bank, for $50 million, was on the

low side.

There had been drawings on three occasions, each time in the

full amount of the swap, and flows into the Netherlands had from time

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to time been

eavy.

In the most recent instance, rumors of a

revaluation cf the guilder contributed to a large flow of dollars

into Amsterdam.

The System drew under the swap arrangement and

disbursed the full amount, but the dollar holdings of the Netherlands

Bank were still above the ceiling.

The issue was clear:

the arrange-

ment of additional financing under the swa. or purchases of gold

the Netherlands.

by

The Netherlands Bank would be agreeable to an

increase in the swap facility to $100 million, and he would so

recommend, with the understanding that probably the additional

guilders would immediately be drawn and disbursed to bring the dollar

holdings of the Netherlands Bank back down to around $200 million.

In discussion, Mr. Coombs said that the original skepticism

of Netherlands authorities with regard to the swap agreement procedure

appeared to have diminished as the result of the record that had been

compiled of liquidating drawings promptly; there was recognition of

the fact that the Federal Reserve had adhered to its promises with

regard to the nature and objectives of the swap program.

As to the

consequences of the speculation engendered by rumors of devaluation

of the guilder, Mr. Coombs pointed out that Amsterdam is a relatively

small money market; he felt that the flow of funds into the Netherlands

might rather promptly be reversed.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

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to negotiate an increase from $50

million to $100 million in the swap

facility with the Netherlands Bank.

Mr. Coombs then brought up the question of entering into a

swap arrangement with the Bank of Japan.

He pointed out that Japan

is a major industrial nation, a sizable factor in international trade,

and experiences important swings in its payments balance.

The

deterrent to entering into negotiations with the Bank of Japan had

been its lack of status under Article VIII of the International Monetary

Fund; the yen had not yet qualified as a fully convertible currency.

However, it was anticipated that the Japanese Minister of Finance,

during the Fund and Bank meetings, would probably announce Japan's firm

intention of moving to Article VIII status next year.

There was also a

strong likelihood that Japan would be brought into the Organization for

Economic Cooperation and Development group within the next month or so.

In a sense, once these moves were accomplished, Japan would be even

better qualified for inclusion in the swap network than some of the

smaller European countries.

In view of what might now be regarded

more or less as a certainty, that is, the obtaining of Article VIII

status, Mr. Coombs could see considerable advantage in anticipating

the step by bringing Japan into participation in the swap network, and

in so doing roundirg out the network, possibly in more or less final

form, especially as to geographical coverage.

If the Committee should

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want to adhere strictly to Article VIII status as a prerequisite for

participation in the swap network, there might be a compromise

arrangement under which a standby swap agreement with the Bank of

Japan would be negotiated and announced, subject to the understanding

that neither the Federal Reserve nor the Bank of Japan would draw

against the swap until the Japanese move to Article VIII status had

been formally completed.

In discussion of the matter, Mr. Mills said that he would

raise even more strongly in the Japanese case the objections he had

expressed with regard to the Italian proposal.

He felt that an

approach to the Bank of Japan would be premature in the extreme.

The

Committee had received from the staff, under dates of September 27

and 30, 1963, an extensive survey of the Japanese economic and

financial position which showed that the Japanese external shortterm debt was far in excess of gold and foreign exchange reserves.

Also, there had been a sharp rise in imports and a rapid growth in

the deficit on trade account.

If the swap arrangement were approved

at the present time, this would be one less reason for the Japanese

to subscribe to sound international financial principles according to

Monetary Fund discipline, because they would have another line of

credit at their disposal.

Mr. Coombs said that if Japan were in a basic deficit position, he would assume it would be made quite clear to Japan that it

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should go to the Monetary Fund rather than draw under a swap arrangement.

Adherence to the basic rules of the game was expected on the

part of all partners to the swap agreements; all of the swap arrangements were subject to the explicit understanding that no drawings

would be made except by mutual agreement.

Mr. Balderston asked Mr. Coombs whether it might not be

well if the Open Market Committee were to withhold any negotiation

or announcement of a standby arrangement with Japan until Japan's

Article VIII status was definite.

If this were done conditionally,

it might encourage approaches from other countries for inclusion in

the swap network.

Mr. Coombs replied that he thought the Committee might

prefer to move fast and give the impression that the swap network

had been completed.

He felt that it would be a mistake to allow the

swap program to extend beyond the major industrialized countries,

and sooner or later this would have to be made clear on the record.

As long as a

lace was held open for Japan in the swap network, there

seemed more risk of vulnerability to other approaches.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the swap relationships with the

Europeans were regarded by Latin American countries as an evidence of

solidarity and mutual concern that the United States did not share so

far as they (the Latin American countries) were concerned.

It seemed

to him that a rounding out of the swap network by bringing Japan into

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it would only give added impetus to the feeling that the United

States was nct too much interested in the countries to the south.

From the standpoint of the future, he felt that this country should

be showing a great deal more interest. in that area.

The Committee,

he noted, has not considered carefully the proposition that a swap

arrangement with Japan would constitute the end of expansion of the

swap network for some time to come.

Thus far the Committee had

proceeded on a case-by-case basis, as the need dictated.

Accordingly,

he was rather surprised by the comment that. a Japanese agreement

would close the swap network for some time to come; this would

represent a major decision that should receive considerable attention

on the part of the Committee.

Chairman Martin noted that the problem here was a little

different from the German and Italian matters, previously discussed,

because the Japanese were anxious to come into the swap system.

The

currency, however, was not yet fully convertible, which raised a

question as to how to handle the matter.

Mr. Mitchell said that he would feel more comfortable if he

had more time, and the benefit of the thinking of others, on the

proposition of confining swap arrangements essentially to countries

within the OECD group.

on that issue today.

He would not feel prepared to take a position

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Chairman Martin then asked Mr. Coombs whether it would serve

his purpose if the Committee authorized him to talk to the Japanese

and bring back to the Committee for consideration any proposal that

might be suggested.

Mr. .ayes commented that there were pressures from many

directions for building greater international liquidity, and some of

these pressures were from persons who would build it in a much less

effective way than through the methods being used by the System and

the Treasury.

He felt that an effective structure of bilateral

arrangements, with the inclusion of Japan, would act as a deterrent

to the less sound suggestions that were circulating in a number of

high places around

the world.

Question was raised whether an understanding, in connection

with a swap arrangement with the Bank of Japan, that the facility

would not be utilized until Japan achieved Article VIII status would

be likely to speed up that process, and Mr

Coombs pointed out that

certain regular procedures would have to be followed before Article

VIII status could be obtained.

He doubted that the necessary actions

could be taken before next February or thereabouts.

Asked whether

the Japanese might not be particularly anxious to obtain a swap line

of credit as a support against speculative pressures attendant upon

the achievement of Article VIII status, Mr. Coombs said he would not

expect the yen, if fully convertible, to be subject to any greater

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speculative pressures than had existed thus far.

However, there were

certain trade relationships between Japan and the Western countries

that would have to be worked out.

In further discussion, Mr. Yourg

recounted the extent of steps taken to date, and remaining to be

taken, by Japan in the removal of restrictions on current account

payments.

Question also was raised as to the possible magnitude of

any swap arrangement with the Bank of Japan, and Mr. Coombs said that

he was not sure.

As an offhand guess, he would say something in the

order of $150 million.

Chairman Martin then suggested again that Mr. Coombs be

authorized to discuss the matter of a possible swap arrangement with

the Bank of Japan, with the understanding that the matter would then

be brought back to the Committee for further consideration.

In the

meantime the staff could prepare a memorandum on the whole problem

of the scope of the swap network for consideration by the Committee.

There was general agreement with this suggestion.

Mr. Coombs said that his last recommendation related to

In an appendix to the Special Manager's report to

forward operations.

the Committee on operations during the period September 10-25, 1963,

there appeared a summary of operations for Treasury account in forward

Canadian dollars.

Briefly, incident to the Russian wheat deal in

process, there was in prospect a heavy transfer of U. S. dollars to

Canada.

This had resulted in a heavy demand for forward Canadian

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dollars, which in turn added considerably to the interest arbitrage

in favor of Canada.

If this process had been allowed to run its

course, conceivably it could have resulted in a heavy flow of shortterm funds to Canada.

Through operations of the Bank of Canada and

of the New York Reserve Bank (acting for the Treasury) to sell

Canadian dollars forward while buying Canadian dollars spot, the

premium on the forward Canadian dollar disappeared.

This squeezed

out the arbitrage in favor of Canada and nipped what might have been

a sizable flow of funds.

The operation had been a useful one, and

the Canadians were pleased with it.

He could visualize that from

time to time in the future similar operations might be of considerable

help in checking, before they got under way, arbitrage flows of even

greater magnitude than what had been the potential flow to Canada.

If there was an authority for operating in the forward market on such

occasions--selling forward and simultaneously buying a currency spot-some outflows of short-term capital could be checked.

He would like,

therefore, to request authority, up to a total of $50 million, for

buying foreign currencies spot and selling them forward for the

specific purpose of restraining short-term capital outflows induced

by arbitrage considerations.

This would be in addition to the two

outstanding authorizations for forward operations, each in the amount

of $50 million, that related to covering commitments under swap

drawings.

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In discussion, a suggestion was made that it might be

preferable to raise the over-all authority for forward transactions

to $150 million, such figure to cover all three types of such operations, and Mr. Coombs replied that he would welcome the additional

flexibility.

Accordingly, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote, the

continuing authority directive for

System foreign currency operations was

amended, effective immediately, to read

as follows:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is authorized and

directed to purchase and sell through spot transactions any

or all of the following currencies in accordance with the

Guidelines on System Foreign Currency Operations reaffirmed

by the Federal Open Market Committee on March 5, 1963, as

amended May 28, 1963:

Pounds sterling

French francs

German marks

Italian lire

Netherlands guilders

Swiss francs

Belgian francs

Canadian dollars

Austrian schillings

Swedish kronor

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to operate in any or all of the foregoing

currencies, in accordance with the Guidelines and up to a

combined total of $150 million equivalent, by means of:

(a) purchases through forward transactions,

for the purpose of allowing greater flexibility

in covering commitments under reciprocal currency

agreements;

(b) purchases and sales through forward as

well as spot transactions, for the purpose of

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utilizing its holdings of one currency for the

settlement of commitments denominated in other

currencies; and

(c) purchases through spot transactions

and sales through forward transactions, for the

purpose of restraining short-term outflows of

funds induced by arbitrage consicerations.

Total foreign currencies held at any one time shall

not exceed $1.75 billion.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report covering open market operations in U. S.

Government securities and bankers' acceptances for the period September

10 through September 25, 1963, and a supplementary report covering the

period September 26 through September 30, 1963.

Copies of these

reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Stone commented

as follows:

The money and securities markets have weathered the past

three weeks of advance refunding and tax and dividend payments

quite smoothly. Net reserve availability was permitted to

respond flexibly to market needs, rising when those needs were

at their peak and then moving lower as the needs receded. In

this way it was possible to maintain a generally steady dayto.-day tone in the money market. The great bulk of Federal

funds trading was at 3-1/2 per cent, while member bank

borrowing fluctuated quite sharply from day to day but, on

average, was in the recent range variation for the period as

a whole. Once again, events during the period were a reminder

that summary reserve statistics are an imperfect guide to the

condition of the money market--particularly when distribution

within the total may swing so sharply from day to day and

when even the aggregates themselves are subject to substantial

later revision.

System operations withdrew reserves to offset market

forces in the first half of the recent period. These withdrawals were undertaken cautiously, however, in view of the

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great volume of churning in financial markets around the tax

date and in connection with the advance refunding. Starting

September 19, the System turned around and began supplying

reserves as market factors absorbed them.

The advance refunding, of course, has been the center

of attention in the long-term bond market during the past

several weeks. As described in the written reports, the

advance refunding of some $6-1/2 bill:on out of $23 billion

of public holdings of rights was considered a highly satisfactory result--both by the Treasury and in the market.

Public takings of $3.7 billion of the new 4's of 1973 and

$1.3 billion of the reopened 4-1/8's of 1989-94 were

especially gratifying in view of the recent comments made by

some market observers to the effect that current long-term

rates were out of touch with the "real" state of demand and

supply because of official purchases of intermediate and

longer issues.

The dealers took substantial positions in the refunding

issues, and thus far have been willing to reduce those positions orly at rising prices--and even then they have shown

no aggressiveness in letting bonds go. The atmosphere

surrounding this distribution process, and the bond market

in general, remains good. Prices of most longer term issues

are above their levels of three weeks ago notwithstanding

the larger-than-expected additions to supplies produced by

the exchange.

In the meantime a better at.mosphere has also emerged in

other long-term markets. Last week, a high grade industrial

bond offering in the amount of $100 million sold out quickly

at a yield well within the range of recent reoffering yields.

In the tax-exempt area, distribution of the slower-moving

recent offerings has picked up after prices were reduced and

Further tests

the latest offerings have moved quite well.

await the tax-exempt market, however, with a large calendar

of offerings to be assimilated in the weeks ahead.

Turning to Treasury bills, there was some concern expressed at the last meeting of the Committee to the effect

that demand for bills growing out of the advance refunding

might tend to pull rates substantially lower. As it turned

out, the demand for bills from sellers of rights tapered off

in the latter part of the period that subscription books

were open, and offsetting upward pressures on bill rates

soon emerged as the mid-month tax date approached. Investment

demand reappeared after the tax date but market supplies,

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augmented by the Treasury's second monthly offering of oneyear bills, have been adequate and no serious erosion of

rates has developed. In yesterday's auction the 3- and

6-month rates were set at about 3.41 and 3.52 per cent-roughly 5 basis points higher than they were three weeks

ago, but within the range in which they have recently moved.

Treasury financing operations in the next few weeks are

expected to center in the bill market. Payment is being

made today for the second billion dollar offering of monthend one-year bills, which raises about $0.5 billion new

cash after paying down a $0.5 billion issue of maturing

1-1/2 per cent notes. On October 15 there is a $2.5

billion maturity of the old quarterly series of one-year

bills, and it is expected that the Treasury will meet most

of this outpayment through the sale of $2 billion of March

tax anticipation bills. Later in the month they may sell

a $1 billion strip of bills to recoup the balance of the

cash drain on October 15 and to raise some additional cash.

And of course they plan to sell, around the end of the

month, the third in the monthly series of $1 billion oneyear bills. Finally, the Treasury plans to announce the

terms of its November refunding on October 23 or 24.

Our projections, and particularly those of the Board's

staff, point to a substantial bulge is reserves during the

last two weeks of the period ahead. The offsetting of

that bulge could push us close to, and possibly through,

the $1 billion limit on net changes in the Account. To be

on the safe side, I should like to recommend that the limit

be raised from $1 billion to $1.5 billion for the next

three weeks.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions in Government securities and bankers'

acceptances during the period September 10 through September 30, 1963,

were approved, ratified, and confirmed.

The staff economic and financial review at this meeting was in

the form of a visual-auditory presentation, for which Messrs. Garfield,

Hersey, Altmann, and Axilrod of the Board's staff joined the meeting.

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Copies of the

Other participants included Messrs. Noyes and Koch.

text of the presentation and of the accompanying charts have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

The introductory portion of the review, presented by Mr. Noyes,

was as follows:

On occasion, economic news of little significance in

itself because it is attributable to special circumstances

calls our attention to important questions that might

otherwise escape our notice. The decline in industrial

production from July to August was news of this sort. It

reflected chiefly a cut-back in steel output as a sequel

to the earlier build-up of stocks. To a lesser extent it

reflected a moderate further decline in auto output from

an exceptional high in June. Other industrial activities

taken together showed only a little further increase, but

this should not be considered exceptional

for a single

month in a period of generally rapid advance.

Thus the

August drop in the index may be explained away.

The decline,

nevertheless, brings into the foreground of discussion

questios concerning more fundamental changes in the course

and composition of production--questions already implicit

in the rapidity and unevenness of the advance from January

to July.

First, we will review the general course of events

since the cyclical low in February 1961. An initial rapid

advance in 1961, and then a more moderate rise, brought

output to a level in July 1962 that was 9 per cent above the

prerecession level of the spring of 1960.

Production held

unchanged at this level for 7 months, through January this

year.

As late as March, evidence of the direction of the

next move did not seem conclusive to most observers. This

was partly because the previous period of recovery and

expansion, from the low in April 1958, had lasted only a

little over two years and on this precedent a decline might

be due. Actually, output had started to rise in February and

by July it was 6 per cent higher than in January.

The expansion of 1954-57 lasted a little over three

years, an unusually long period in the annals of cycles.

Is

the present period perhaps of that sort? Similarities can be

found, but the differences are great. The advance in

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production from January to July this year was sharper than

any rise after the early stages of the 1954-57 expansion,

disregarding the steel strike of July 1956. Also,

production in July this year was appreciably higher relative to the prerecession rate than production in early 1957,

the corresponding time in that upswing.

With the unemployment rate generally between 5-1/2 and

6 per cent, labor force use in the past year and a half has

been between 94 and 94-1/2 per cent. This is close to the

level prevailing in 1959-60 but appreciably below the 96

per cent rate from early 1955 to mid-1957. Also, the rate

of use of capacity for production of major materials this

year has been well below the 90-92 per cent range prevailing

for several quarters in 1955 and 1956.

With resources being utilized less fully than in

1955-57, competition from abroad keener, and belief in the

inevitability of creeping inflation at. least suppressed by

events in recent years, industrial commodity prices this

time have not changed enough to have any appreciable impact

on broad indexes. By early 1957--the corresponding date in

the expansion of the middle 50's--industrial prices had

risen 10 per cent. Wage rates also show a contrast, rising

at a rate less than two-thirds as fast in the recent

expansion.

In addition to these marked differences from the

mid-1950's in production, resource ut.lization, and prices

for goods and services, there are many other differences.

These include a different balance of payments situation,

much keener competition from abroad, less volatile behavior

of interest rates, and the implications of the tax bill now

before Congress. It thus seems evident that no close

parallel with the past can be drawn, and that our attention

should instead be focused on the nature of recent changes.

There followed sections dealing with foreign developments and

the balance of payments, industrial employment and activity, business

capital expenditures, prices and credit market developments.

The

concluding portion of the review, presented by Mr. Koch, was as follows:

We have touched on a wide range of economic developments

at home and abroad. We have called particular attention to

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the sharp rise in industrial production from January to

July, achieved with only such price increases as have been

largely offset in their effects on the broader indices by

declines elsewhere. The advance in output, we have noted,

was so rapid and so much greater in materials than in

final products that some slowing down in the advance and

some shift in the composition of the advance seem to be

indicated.

We have made no prediction on the course of

prices, not regarding the firming in numerous markets as

conclusive evidence of the beginning of a widespread

advance, yet not accepting the view that there is enough

slack in current and prospective resources use to make

unnecessary concern for developments in this area.

Nevertheless, unemployment continues to be a serious

problem. It was still at a level of 5-1/2 per cent in the

third quarter. Over the past year the unemployment rate

has changed little, while GNP has risen over $30 billion.

Turning more specifically to monetary policy, enough

time has now elapsed since the actions taken in July to

evaluate in a preliminary way their effects. On the

domestic side, the major effect has been in firming money

market conditions somewhat further. Customer loan rates

at bank. have apparently shown little change.

The rise

in longer term interest rates in early September was more

a reflection

of the Treasury advance refunding than of

money market conditions.

It

is

interesting to note that

the narrowing of the spread between short- and long-term

interest rates in 1963 has had more the characteristics of

normal behavior of the rate structure in a period of

economic expansion and reduced monetary ease, that is, the

whole structure of rates has risen, with short rates

rising more than long rates.

As for other basic effects of monetary actions, the

evidence is by no means conclusive. The money supply

declined in August but rose again in September. Thus far

this year, it has increased at a 3 per cent rate. Growth

in bank loans and investments slackened in August, but,

like money, picked up fairly briskly in September. These

recent changes in money and bank credit were probably more

affected by changes in the intensity of private demands for

bank funds and in the specific timing of Treasury financing

operations than by changes in monetary actions.

The changes in maximum rates payable on time deposits,

and action on the part of some banks in raising actual

rates paid, led to a sharper increase in the volume of such

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deposits outstanding during late July and August than

earlier. In September, however, the rate of increase

slackened, in part reflecting some deposit liquidation for

tax payment purposes.

The evidence on the effect of this summer's policy

changes in international capital flows is also mixed.

Some offsetting actions and developments have occurred in

foreign rates and forward discounts. As a result, the

covered rate differentials on money market paper between

New York and London, and between New York and Montreal

have not changed much. Also, Euro-dollar rates have risen,

although not so much as to offset fully the rise in shortterm U. S. rates.

On the other hand, the bank-reported outflow of funds

abroad has slowed down substantially. That outflow, which

averaged $150 million a month during the second quarter,

was reduced substantially in July and still further in

August. But the magnitude of recent flows of funds abroad

not reported by banks is still mostly unknown. Moreover,

exchange market developments during September

suggest a

rise in short-term outflows, especially to Canada but

perhaps also to some Continental European countries. These

flows, however, apparently were due mainly to factors other

than interest rate considerations.

The sharp reduction in bank-reported flows in July

and August, together with very light offerings of new issues,

has no doubt reduced the over-all U. S. payments deficit

But after gratifyfrom its very high second quarter rate.

ing resuts for July, a deterioration occurred in August.

Tentative weekly figures for September are inconclusive.

In deciding on the most appropriate monetary policy

for the next few weeks, attention might well focus on the

If

fact that demands for funds picked up in September.

this pickup continues, additional upward pressure on

interest rates could develop as a result of market forces.

Any diminution in the savings flow would accentuate this

In this case, the Committee might wish to permit

tendency.

the increased demands for funds to be reflected, in part at

least, in higher rates of interest.

This would seem a more

appropriate course than further action on the supply side

to inch up rates. On the other hand, as the analysis this

morning suggests, the pace of economic expansion could

slacken and the savings flow could continue robust, in which

case interest rates might come under some downward pressure.

In this case, forthcoming balance of payments developments

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could be a key factor in deciding whether such downward

influences on interest rates might more appropriately be

offset or allowed to materialize.

The Chairman then called for the go-around of comments on

economic conditions and monetary policy beginning with Mr. Hayes who

presented the following statement:

As we meet today, two and a half months after the

System's latest policy moves with respect to the discount

rate and Regulation Q, it seems appropriate to review very

briefly what has happened in the principal areas to which we

must give our attention in formulating monetary policy.

We find that the domestic business situation has continued to improve gradually, and that despite a dip in

August due largely to a few special factors, there is

appreciably more optimism on the outlook for business than

there was in July. The major price indices have still not

broken out of the narrow range in which they have moved

for some four years, though there have been enough increases

for individual products to suggest a need for watchfulness.

Liquidity continues ample, with no clear evidence that our

series of moderate moves toward lesser ease has appreciably

slowed the substantial rate of bank credit expansion that

has characterized the past year or more. Banks are still

avidly seeking additional loans, both here and abroad. The

level of short-term market rates has risen part way toward

the new discount rate but is still short of it by about 1/8

per cent, long-term rates have firmed only very slightly,

and the pronounced success of the Treasury's advance refunding operation has pointed up the continuing abundance of

savings in relation to the demand for long-term funds.

Firally, while the balance of payments should show some

improvement in the current quarter over the very sad showing

of the second quarter, the deficit is nevertheless running

at an unsustainably high rate, and the complications introduced by the interest equalization tax make it virtually

impossible to measure the results of our own policy actions.

In any case, we are not achieving the degree of improvement

that the world at large, and especially the principal

foreign holders of dollars, many of whom are represented

here in Washington this week, might reasonably expect in

the light of the Administration's ringing pronouncements of

mid-July.

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To cite a few recent developments in greater detail,

statistics that have become available since our last

meeting suggest that the August dip in business activity

was largely attributable, directly or indirectly, to the

automobile model changeover and the continuing steel

inventory adjustment; but that there was also a slower

rate of advance in other sectors, with the notable exception of retail trade, which continued to move ahead

strongly. With auto production now moving up, with the

steel picture brightening, and with a generally favorable

prospect for consumer buying and business investment in

plant ard equipment, it seems likely that a pick-up in

general activity may have occurred in September or will

occur at the latest in October. One encouraging item is

the rise in after-tax corporate profits in the second

quarter to the highest level since the fourth quarter of

1950. After-tax profits plus depreciation allowances

reached an all-time peak, and the ratio of this aggregate

to GNP equaled the previous peak of the last quarter of

1955. Even the unemployment statistics provide some

slight cegree of comfort, in that the unemployment rate

for married men moved down in August to 3 per cent--a full

one-half of a percentage point below a year earlier, and

the lowest level since 1957.

The stock market's performance, with the major

averages having broken into new high ground early in

September, is perhaps symptomatic of the relatively high

degree of business optimism.

That optimism will not be

lessened by the fact that the tax reduction bill

has

finally emerged from the House of Representatives--even

though Senate action is uncertain.

As for credit developments, neither the data on total

bank credit nor those on money supply plus time deposits

clearly point to a change in the rate of expansion over

recent months. Many of the elements that served to depress

credit growth in August seem to have been quite temporary

in nature.

A reversal of some of these factors, together

with tax date considerations, was instrumental in bringing

a speed-up in the expansion of bank credit and bank loans

in the first three weeks of September. However, this

period is not long enough to take account of loan run-offs

after the tax date. New York bank loan officers do not

report any significant change in business loan demand.

The revised August balance of payments deficit of $525

million is close to the highest monthly deficit ever

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recorded. Unfortunately, we have no detailed information

on the causes of this deterioration, but surprisingly it

occurred in the face of a sharp drop in new long-term foreign

bond issues and despite some evidence of a slackening in

short-term capital outflows. Very heavy seasonal tourist

outlays doubtless played an important role. In more recent

weeks, substantial transfers of balances to Canada have been

reported, and it is also possible that there have been some

precautionary transfers of capital, or unusual retention of

foreign earnings, by corporations that anticipate additional

taxes or controls on capital exports. This was a danger

that was clearly visible when the interest equalization tax

was proposed.

Over the next three weeks, the System will be relatively

free to form its policies without special consideration for

the Treasury's operations. Such financing as the Treasury

conducts will be more or less routine and will not be

jeopardized by minor policy shifts. By the time of the

next Committee meeting, however, the Treasury will be on the

point of announcing the terms of the November refunding.

With the balance of payments still very serious, despite

some recent evidence of improvement in the short-term capital

area, ard with domestic business, still quite encouraging,

international considerations must inevitably continue to

receive heavy weight in the determination of monetary policy.

I think we should try to maintain the momentum of whatever

benefits our discount rate action has brought with respect

to capital flows. Also, the Committee members have often

discussed, over the past year or so, the desirability of

some slowing in the rate of growth of.bank reserves and bank

deposits--yet to date, as I have already mentioned, that

slowing has been almost imperceptible.

I believe we should

seek a slightly less degree of credit availability, both to

support a somewhat firmer short-term rate structure and to

cause a little greater reluctance on the part of banks to

lend freely abroad.

In the next few months additional reserves must be pro-

vided in any case to meet seasonal needs; but I would urge

that we exercise some caution in providing them, rather than

anticipating these needs.

I would hope that the Federal

funds rate would stay consistently at 3-1/2 per cent, that

the 90-day bill rate would move up close to 3-1/2 per cent

and perhaps fluctuate moderately around that figure.

Borrowings might well be allowed to average around $400

million, with free reserves probably moving around the zero

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level, although I would regard the level of free reserves as

a secondary consideration.

The directive should, I think,

be modified to reflect this moderate additional move toward

lesser ease.

For the time being, I believe our attention should be

focussed on making the 3-1/2 per cent discount rate fully

effective rather than on any additional overt step. However.,

it seems quite possible that some further discount rate action

may be needed later this fall if the balance of payments fails

to respond favorably enough to the measures already taken.

Mr. Shuford reported that the improvement in Eighth District

conditions that had occurred since the first of the year was continuing,

though with some slackening in the pace of improvement in the past

couple of months.

Business loans outstanding had risen steadily since

March and this, combined with the recent increase in market rates, may

have had some effect on lending rates in the St. Louis area.

In June,

57 per cent of the larger loans were made at the so-called prime rate

of 4-1/2 per cent, but in September only 44 per cent.

At the national level, it appeared that the economic expansion

that began more than two and one-half years ago was still under way.

Although the economy had come a long way since early 1961, there did

not appear tc be any apparent significant upward pressure on prices.

The record of price stability during the current expansion had been

impressive.

Wholesale prices were about unchanged on balance since

1961; consumer prices had risen at an annual rate of approximately

1-1/2 per cent, about half the annual rate of increase during the

three previous periods of economic expansion.

Since July, member bank

reserves and the money supply had shown little change.

However, it

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seemed more reasonable to consider monetary developments over

somewhat longer periods,and on such basis rather significant increases in bank reserves and the money supply could be observed.

With respect to policy, Mr. Shuford saw no strong reason to

propose any significant change at this time.

In view of the balance

of payments situation, he would not want to see any reduction of

short-term rates.

At the same time, he felt that monetary policy

For the

should continue to facilitate economic growth domestically.

next three weeks, he would aim at maintaining short-term rates at

about present levels, and he would hope that member bank reserves and

the money supply would continue to rise at moderate rates.

He would

not recommend a change in the discount rate at this time nor would

he suggest ary change in the directive, except for deletion of the

reference to the Treasury refunding.

Mr. Bryan reported that Sixth District statistics for August

showed

ittle change.

The District figures differed from the national

figures in that such declines as appeared were less than nationally,

while increases--chiefly on the finarcial side--were greater.

Mr. Bryan said he would favor essentially no change in policy.

However, reserve availability had somewhat outrun his ideas of what

should have happened under current policy.

reserves fluctuate around the zero level.

He would prefer that free

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-37Mr. Bopp said that although Third District indicators had

shown some improvement recently, the performance was not strong

enough to overcome the disappointing behavior of the economy so far

this year.

As far as policy was concerned, Mr. Bopp expressed the view

that things seemed to be proceeding reasonably well.

Credit demand

was continuing moderately strong and the balance of payments seemed

to have improved somewhat.

Looking ahead, he would be inclined to do

nothing to alter present policy, with emphasis maintained on the tone

and feel of the market rather than the level of free reserves.

He

would make no change in the directive except to delete the reference

to the Treasury refunding.

Mr. Hickman commented that while the level of economic activity

had shown little net change in recent weeks, the tenor of recent news

suggested recovery from the more-than-seascnal late summer dip.

So

far as he could determine, production had probably increased in

September.

Steel output, as expected, had begun to show some expat ,ion;

auto out.put had increased moderately, on a seasonally adjusted bas:.s,

and was expected to increase substantially in October.

sales picture

for September was not yet clear.

The retail

Auto sales were off

sharply in the first 20 days of the month because of the unavailability

of new models.

Department store sales were fairly strong compared with

a year ago, but looked weak when contrasted with August's record level.

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index still showed no significant change, recent announcements of

price changes had, on the whole, been on the upside.

Increases had

become more widespread in certain industries, such as steel, nonferrous metals, paper, and household appliances, and were appearing

in selected lines of machine tools.

In this connection, the Board's

estimates of utilization of manufacturing capacity would bear

watching. The utilization figure had increased from 77 per cent of

capacity in the first quarter of 1961 to 87 per cent in the third

quarter of this year, and thus was nearing the 90 per cent level at

which price pressures had appeared in the past.

Economic changes in the Fourth District had been mixed,

Mr. Hickman said, but with a clearly favorable development emerging

in the area of insured unemployment.

Insured unemployment rates in

the 14 major labor market areas of the District, after seasonal

adjustment, showed 10 centers with declines in unemployment between

mid-August and mid-September, three with increases, and one with no

change.

The increases in unemployment rates occurred in steel centers.

Monetary policy in the weeks immediately ahead should, in

Mr. Hickman's opinion, continue along the path of recent weeks, but

with the bill rate encouraged to remain in the 3.40-3.50 per cent

range.

Because of the higher covered yields that had recently developed

on Canadian bills, and the scattered evidence of outflows of short-term

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funds to that country, he would favor a bil1 rate in the upper end

of the aforementioned range, coupled, if needed, with further sales

of Canadian dollars forward against purchases of spot Canadian

dollars, within the new authorization of $150 million.

So far as the Federal Reserve System could be effective in

the international sphere generally, Mr. Hickman suggested that the

Committee exercise its influence to persuade countries whose currencies

were strong vis-a-vis the dollar to relax their local credit conditions.

He referred specifically to Canada, the Netherlands, Germany,

and Switzerland, whose currencies had been very strong recently against

the dollar.

Mr. Hickman said that, as he had suggested in the past, he

would urge the Committee to instruct the Desk to allow bond yields to

drift upward in response to natural market forces.

With a period of

large seasonal demands now approaching, reserve needs could best be

met by reducing reserve requirements rather than through open market

operations.

He would recommend no substantive change in the directive.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the outlook for consumer performance seemed quite uncertain.

The seasonals probably gave a false

impression in August, and it was his impression that September did

not look very good.

Also, it seemed to him, from looking at the

components, that the rise in the production index might be over for

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a while.

the business outlook, he

was not particularly encouraged by the most recent developments.

On the proposition of letting the bill rate get up to the

discount rate, Mr. Mitchell felt that if the bill rate was allowed

to fluctuate around the discount rate, the System would be under

considerable pressure to raise the discount rate again.

As to policy

for the pericd immediately ahead, he would go along with those who

suggested that there be no change in posture at this time.

Mr. Shepardson said that he had participated yesterday in a

meeting of institutional lenders to agriculture, and was interested

to find that the concern about undue extensions of agricultural credit

had increased,

Insurance

if anything, since the group's meeting in May.

company mortgage

loans,

both in

volume and number,

were

up

by percentages ranging from 10 per cent to as much as 35 per cent.

The Farm Credit Administration was having a somewhat similar experience.

All participants

available

reported pressure to place

the overabundance

of

funds; and all of them pointed to the "other fellow" in

terms of laxity in lending standards.

One paper discussed by a

representative of the life insurance companies charged an undue

increase in the money supply, taking into account time deposits.

Rather grave concern also was expressed about developments in housing

loans, along with concern about the farm loan situation and the

continuing increase in farm land prices.

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Mr. Shepardson said that in light of the total situation he

would be inclined to follow the recommendations on policy that had

been made by Mr. Hayes.

Mr. Robertson said it seemed to him the kind of economic and

financial reorts to which the Committee had been listening today

argued strongly against any tightening of monetary policy at this

juncture.

He

would, therefore, recommend no change in policy,

preferring to "wait and see."

Mr. Robertson then submitted the

following statement for inclusion in the record in further exposition

of his views:

It seems to me that the kind of economic and financial

reports we have been hearing argue strongly for making

monetary policy no tighter than it in at this juncture.

To begin with, it seems obvious that the rate of busi-

ness advance has slowed slightly in recent weeks. The

chances for any strong fall upsurge in activity have been

correspondingly reduced.

From this point of view, what we

need is a policy which helps to undergird business

confidence rather than restrain it.

On the financial side we have seen a run-up in bank

loans, investments, and the money supply, but these seem

largely related to the tax date and the Treasury refunding

operation, and to that extent they have a temporary character that. does not call for any policy attention. On the

contrary, within these fluctuating totals the banking system

seems to have been moving into a significantly less liquid

position, with more borrowing from the Federal Reserve,

reduced holdings of short-term Governments, and substantial

lengthening of portfolios through bank participation in the

advance refunding. To this extent, banks have less room to

accommodate any fall loan expansion that ensues, and I

think we must watch very carefully for any signs of

undesirable restraints developing from this posture.

Long-term capital markets also do not seem to me to be

invulnerable to any further tightening of reserve availability. A growing number of municipal market experts are

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warning of the blow that could strike that market from any

significant reduction in the rate of commercial bank

acquisitions, such as might stem from even a modest degree

of reserve restraint. In the Government securities market

there is a relatively large total of dealer investment in

long-term issues as a result of their participation in the

recent refunding. This could easily produce some sharp

upward pressure on rates if dealers became restive over

such exposure or found financing sufficiently difficult to

make them want to reduce positions.

Developments on the balance of payments front in

recent weeks, both good and bad, do not seem to me to be

the sort that call for monetary policy adjustments.

Indeed, staff appraisals of the reported statistics since

our raising of the discount rate and tightening of reserve

policy in the end of July do not. seem to have been able to

pinpoint any concrete and significant benefits realized

from our higher money market rates. I, for one, have no

stomach for swallowing any more doses of the kind of

medicine that has been of such little proven help in dealing with what really ails our balance of payments. The

machinations that have been going on in the Canadian

exchange picture certainly should not lead us to take any

further steps to tighten our markets. Canada is one

country where official actions on the discount rate and

in the financial markets have been di-ectly designed to

frustrate any possible gains from our previous interest

rate increases, and the statements of their authorities

should lead us to expect exactly the same type of frustration if we were to endeavor to move again.

I believe our best policy at this juncture should be

to hold steady and watch very carefully the unfolding of

the consequences of what we have already done. If,

unhappily, business expansion should falter further, and

signs develop of reduced bank liquidity impinging upon

securities markets and credit availab lity generally, then

a prompt move back toward a more easy monetary policy

would be very much in order. If, on the other hand,

business should belatedly strengthen and develop some of

the fall acceleration of which it is still potentially

capable, then some well-timed adjustment toward more

restrictive monetary policy might be appropriate. If I

had to choose one course or the other at this moment,

I think the balance of risks is clearly in favor of easing

rather than tightening. But I also believe that we have

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sufficient leeway to wait a little longer in order to be

sure of the direction of events before committing ourselves

further. Accordingly, I would favor no change in policy,

no change in the discount rate, and no change in the

directive other than the dropping of the reference to the

Treasury financing.

Mr. Mills presented the following statement:

It is now time to adapt Federal Reserve System monetary and credit policy to prospective financial and economic

developments in the last quarter of 1963. On the strength

of statistical evidence through the month of September, it

is reasonable to anticipate a somewhat more than seasonal

rise in economic activity over the rest of the year. However, no real improvement in the nation's balance of

payments difficulties can be foreseen, and it is possible

that they may be aggravated by publicized arguments aired at

the meeting of the International Monetary Fund concerning

conflicting theories for stabilizing the international

exchanges. Such publicity could lead to speculation against

the United States dollar. Although the proposed interest

equalization tax seems at least to have temporarily checked

the outflow of long-term funds, gains in that direction may

be lost through increased outflows of short-term funds,

partly stimulated by the liberalizing effects of the Board's

revised Regulations M and K. The effectiveness of the

Federal Reserve System's operations in foreign currencies

would be lessened by such developments. If these adverse

events should materialize, fiscal controls limiting foreign

access to the short- and long-term U. S. capital markets

should be instituted promptly; and it is hoped that

preparations have been made to that end.

As has been the case in 1963 to date, monetary and

credit policy must take into account both domestic and

international considerations. As the main attack on the

balance of payments problem has focused on admittedly

temporizing Federal Reserve System operations in the field

of foreign currencies, that have not been supported by

appropriate fiscal controls for reaching the problem at its

source, the burden of attempting a solution has been

shouldered onto the Federal Reserve System and has necessitated a more restrictive monetary and credit policy than

is justified by present economic conditions. Without a

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change in official policy attitudes bearing on the balance

of payments problem, the Federal Reserve System regrettably

is committed to promoting an interest rate policy aimed at

shielding the United States against the further loss of

gold and dollars. But in view of inflationary developments

in several continental European countries and their

understandably self-serving needs, races of interest

abroad are tending to move up and to stay above those

ruling in the United States. As that is the case, it is

unlikely that policy actions attempting to force competitively higher interest rates in this country can be

undertaken successfully without causing a contraction of

credit and a reduction in the money supply that would

severely retard any improvement in economic activities

that otherwise could be achieved.

If the balance of payments situation should worsen, it

is my belief that the Federal Reserve System should not

offer resistance by strengthening the restrictiveness of

its credit policy. There would then oe visibly good and

sufficient reasons for urging the Federal fiscal authorities to promulgate selective controls over outward capital

flows from the United States which, if introduced, would

serve to relieve the Federal Reserve System from adherence

to its present debatable monetary and credit policy which

is vaguely expressed in the current economic policy

directive to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as being,

"conducted with a view to maintaining the prevailing degree

of firmness in the money market, while accommodating

Under

moderate expansion in aggregate bank reserves."

such circumstances, Federal Reserve System monetary and

credit policy could proceed to concentrate on the domestic

economy by exercising its full influence toward stimulating

economic growth and activity. A change in policy of this

kind shculd carry with it the opportunity for discontinuing

the pegged interest rate policy now in vogue and for

returning to a policy that would permit interest rates to

move freely in response to supply and demand factors in the

financial markets subject only to the marginal influence

exerted by the System as it saw fit to supply or withdraw

reserves from the commercial banking system, in keeping

with the justifiable credit requirements of the business

and financial communities.

Release from the shackles of an artificially coddled

U. S. Government securities market and return to free market

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principles in the conduct of monetary and credit policy

would contemplate reverting to at least a "bills

usually" policy and ceasing from actions that have

attempted to raise short-term and lower long-term

interest rates. In the process of resuming this previously favored monetary and credit policy, it is

reasonable to expect that a nornal spread between shortand long-term interest yields on U. S. Government

securities would result, and as the present flat yield

curve disappeared, commercial bank investors could again

judge the market realistically. In that event, overconfidence in the stability of the interest rate

structure would also vanish and the temptation to commercial banks to extend the maturities of their investments

in order to obtain fractionally higher interest income

would be removed, and along with it the risk of a

depreciation in their investment holdings occurring at

the inevitable time that unforeseen contingencies would

result in destroying the artificial structure of the

market for U. S. Government securities that now exists.

Mr. Mills said that the foregoing statement contained a great

deal of wishful thinking that he felt sure would not be realized.

In

the circumstances, it was his position that there should be no change

in policy at the moment, although he would veer more in the direction

suggested by Mr.

Bryan.

Mr. Hflin reported that Fifth District business had maintained

a slow, sometimes uneven, upward course, much as it had over a period

of many months.

Consistent gains in nonfarm employment had continued

to show that progress was quite widespread and seemingly possessed a

fair degree of momentum.

Department store sales reached a new high

in August and preliminary indications were favorable for September.

Construction employment had remained at record levels, although contract

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awards and building permits had sagged slightly.

A note of

uncertainty existed in the District's agricultural sector, which

had not fared as well recently as the rest of the economy.

With

about 45 per cent of the District's flue-cured tobacco crop sold,

prices had averaged 4 per cent below last year, volume was down

about 16 per cent, and gross returns were off 19 per cent.

Those

trends could mean a reduction in income from flue-cured tobacco

sales of as nuch as $85 million compared with 1962.

Except for

agriculture, trends revealed in the latest Reserve Bank survey were

again quite favorable.

General business sentiment was considerably

stronger than three weeks ago, and manufacturers gave moderately

favorable accounts of new orders and shipments, with little or no

change in employment and hours.

About one-third of the manufacturers

reported wage increases.

Mr. Clay said that the domestic economy appeared to be

performing essentially in line with earlier expectations.

Expansion

at a moderate pace appeared to have characterized the third quarter.

While the record of the fourth quarter was yet to be written, continued economic expansion remained a reasonable prospect.

On balance,

however, this meant that the domestic economy continued at an expanding

level of activity that was inadequate to absorb the economy's growing

resources.

Accordingly, the domestic economy still needed the

stimulus of an expansive monetary policy.

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remained a serious problem, Mr. Clay noted.

At the moment, there

appeared to be a need for more adequate information as to recent

developments in the various components of the balance and as to the

response to public policy actions taken during the last two and a

half months.

Some additional modification in monetary policy could

be made by the Committee within the limits of the recent change in

the discount rate.

In view of the continuing question as to the

appropriate role of monetary policy under existing circumstances, it

would appear to be in order at this time to await some clarification

of developments and response to policy actions already taken before

proceeding further.

Considering all factors, both domestic and international

Mr. Clay expressed the view that it would appear desirable to maintain

essentially the same monetary policy posture that had developed since

the discount rate increase in mid-July.

The directive could be left

unchanged except for deletion of the reference to Treasury financing.

Mr. Scanlon reported that economic activity in the Seventh

District had continued to improve gradually.

Steel production was

rising further, the early reactions to the 1964 model autos were

favorable, grain prices were well above year-ago levels in the face

of large crops, and business sentiment was generally optimistic.

Retail sales of soft goods in September apparently had not equaled

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the August level, but it seemed premature to conclude that this was

the beginning of a downward trend.

Current data on savings flows, Mr. Scanlon said, indicated

that consumers might be spending somewhat more freely.

While sales

of savings bonds had continued above year-ago levels, redemptions

had risen and in the early weeks of September had exceeded sales.

The net inflow of funds to savings and loan associations in August

was below the year-ago level, largely because of an increase in

withdrawals, and at Seventh District banks gross withdrawals of

personal savings-type deposits rose sharply in August.

Banking and credit developments in the Seventh District in

recent weeks had been similar to those for the nation, except that

the rise of loans in the District appeared to be stronger.

Although

for the most part District banks had been able to cover their needs

in the Federal

funds market, there was evidence that a few of the

large banks had felt increased reserve pressure since early September.

Two of these banks had been borrowing at the discount window rather

steadily and one had liquidated bills.

For all Seventh District

weekly reporting banks, however, sales of short-term Governments were

more than offset by purchases of maturities over five years.

It was

a matter of concern to him, Mr. Scanlon said, that banks, in the face

of the yield curve, were willing to handle their portfolios in this way.

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Mr. Scanlon was gratified that it had been possible to

maintain short rates near the 3-3/8 per cent level without cutting

back on total reserves and without forcing up the over-all levels

of member bank borrowing any more than had been done.

With the mid-

September pressures over, this might be more difficult in the period

ahead, even with the help of a cash financing and the need to supply

reserves seasonally.

If the demand for funds continued in suffi-

cient volume to absorb a rising amount of reserves, he would consider

some further increase in short-term rates appropriate, but he would

like to see that pressure come from the market.

It appeared to him,

however, that the Committee should still give a relatively high

priority to achieving moderate credit growth.

The present directive

provided this posture, and he would favor continuing it without

change other than to eliminate the reference to Treasury financing.

He would not favor changing the discount rate.

Mr. Deming commented that since Labor Day much of the Ninth

District had had generous rainfall, which insured excellent fall

pastures and feed for livestock.

virtually assured.

A large crop outturn was now

For reasons that were not apparent in view of the

good weather, the September wheat estimate was below the August

estimate, but the wheat crop would still be good.

The estimate for

corn was 20 per cent more than last year, and for soybeans 30 per cent

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more.

Thus, the farm sector was in a favorable setting.

Available

information for August and September indicated that nonfarm activity

had expanded in the District in the third quarter, and it seemed

likely that this expansion would continue in the fourth quarter,

probably at an increased rate.

The District bank credit situation in September showed mixed

developments and was difficult to appraise.

September loan growth

at both city and country banks apparently would be well above normal

and about equivalent to last year.

Almost all of the gain, however,

had come in one week at mid-September when there was a sizable

expansion in business loans.

It was of interest to note that,

measured against a year ago, loans were up 8 per cent at city banks

and 14 per cent at country banks.

There was no recent information

about the composition of loan growth at country banks.

At city banks,

however, the data indicated that four-fifths of the gain had come in

loans to financial institutions other than banks, loans on securities

(mainly to nondealers), and loans on real estate.

Business loans

were up only 3 per cent and "other" loans only 1 per cent.

The

picture seemed to be one of ample--perhaps more than ample--credit

supply.

Mr. Deming said that his position with respect to policy came

fairly close to that of Mr. Bryan.

His thinking centered more on

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reserve availibility than interest rates.

While he would not resist

some upward movement of short-term rates, he would work more on the

availability side, which meant veering toward a somewhat lower level

of free reserves.

He would leave the directive unchanged except for

deletion of the reference to Treasury financing.

Mr. Swan said that the Twelfth District had seen a continuation of modest expansion in business activity.

In August, total

employment in the Pacific Coast States increased slightly more than

seasonally, with every major nonagricultural sector except mining

showing some gain.

However, a still greater expansion of the labor

force nudged the unemployment rate up slightly.

In the banking area,

District banks, after having been net sellers of Federal funds for

some time, made larger purchases than sales in the week ending

September 25, and borrowing from the Reserve Bank increased

substantially during that week.

The major banks also expected to

be net buyers during the current week.

This seemed in considerable

measure to be related to a reduction of sales of Federal funds and

increased bill purchases on the part of one bank.

Mr. Swan said that the general business situation seemed far

from exuberant.

The international situation was far from satisfactory,

but there had been a few encouraging developments recently.

It seemed

to him that no change in monetary policy was called for at this point.

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The bill rate was reasonably well in line with the discount rate,

and he would hope that this relationship could be maintained for the

next few weeks.

At the same time, he would want to supply reserves

to meet seasonal needs quite readily.

He would favor no change in

the directive except for deletion of the reference to the Treasury

refunding.

Mr. Irons reported that Eleventh District conditions were

good, with activity at a high level.

As to the national economic

situation, he felt that the economy was quite strong.

Some of the

statistical weaknesses in August and early September were traceable

rather clearly to developments in the automotive industry and metals.

There still seemed to be little change in the international picture.

On the matter of policy, Mr, Irons said that he had been

quite well satisfied with developments in the past few weeks.

In

his opinion, things were at a point where the Committee could seek

a lesser degree of ease over the next three-week period.

He leaned

toward the view that there might be a slightly lesser degree of

reserve availability, which might have some effect on the rate

structure in the market.

While he would provide reserves for seasonal

purposes, he doubted the desirability of anticipating seasonal needs

or forcing them.

He would seek, without being too aggressive, the

achievement of a slightly greater degree of firmness in the market;

in other words, to get as much of a condition of firmness in the market

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That would

as was compatible with a 3-1/2 per cent discount rate.

mean a Federal funds rate of 3-1/2 per cent and a bill rate closer

to 3-1/2 per cent than at the moment.

He would not be disturbed by

some increase in member bank borrowing or by some decrease in free

reserves.

In summary, while he would not suggest pushing aggressively

to get the bill rate above the discount rate, he would try to achieve

the full effect of the 3-1/2 per cent discount rate.

What he had in

mind could be accomplished within the scope of the existing directive,

and he would not change the discount rate at this time.

Mr. Ellis said that the New England economy continued to move

along at a pace a bit short of the nationel record.

The Reserve Bank

was in the process of tabulating the semi-annual survey of manufacturers' outlook and capital spending intentions, and if equal

weight were given to all opinions, he would say that those expecting

sales this fall to exceed the previous record were in excess of those

foreseeing a decline by a ratio of five to one.

to 1964 sales

was even more prevalent.

Optimism with regard

It seemed worth noting that

some manufacturers depending largely on defense and space-related

outlays expressed concern about the possibility of a drag in coming

months as defense and space programs were reviewed.

As to policy, Mr. Ellis said he agreed basically with the

proposals made by Mr. Irons.

He concurred in the thought that reserve

availability could well be a matter of primary concern to the

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Committee.

Required reserves had been moving along at the top of

the staff 3 per cent growth guideline, and total reserves had

expanded more than 7 per cent in the past 12 months.

This had

contributed to a situation where foreign bankers were pointing out

that "U. S. corporations have money running out of their ears."

In

these circumstances, it was small wonder that corporate funds were

seeking outlets outside the domestic econcmy.

It seemed possible

that depreciation and investment credits might combine with a tax

cut to accelerate cash flows to such extent that business firms might

be more stimulated to make investments abroad than investments

domestically.

These considerations led him to concur substantially

with the views on policy expressed by Mr. Irons.

Mr. Balderston noted that Mr. Hickman had expressed the hope

that perhaps European nations might take steps to lower their interest

rates.

He thought this unlikely, however; the wage explosion in

Holland was giving the Dutch authorities great concern, and what

France had done to counteract the wage push was a matter of general

knowledge.

It seemed to him that one could not count on inflation in

Europe relieving the burden on the United States.

With an average

hourly rate of 71 cents paid by manufacturing industries in France,

as compared with $2.45 in this country, even if French wage rates were

to rise 10 per cent, that would be almost precisely the equivalent of

a 3 per cent rise here.

One could not take too much comfort that our

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average hourly increase is running somewhat below our average annual

gain in manufacturing productivity of 3-1/2 per cent even though the

European wage advance is ahead of the productivity increase there.

In

absolute terms, the wage differential, as distinct from the cost

differential, has not been narrowed.

As to policy, Mr. Balderston said that he would subscribe to

the position taken by Messrs. Irons and Ellis.

Chairman Martin noted that the Commiittee was faced again with

a division of opinion as to policy.

However, it seemed to him that

the question involved only a small matter:

slightly less ease.

If

he were doing it on his own, he would side with the position of

slightly less ease as being more consistent and more appropriate, but

it was not a decision that would either make or break the economy.

Since there appeared to be a substantial group that did not want to

change policy at all at this time, it seemed to him that it would be

wise to recogrize that fact and not overplay the thought that the

situation could be altered substantially by any very modest shift of

policy.

Accordingly, he would suggest that a vote be taken on the

basis of no change in policy at this time, with the understanding that

any members of the Committee who dissented would have an opportunity

to record their views in that way.

The current economic policy

directive to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York would not be changed

except to delete "and taking account of the current Treasury refunding

operation" in the first part of the second paragraph.

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-56Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York was authorized and directed,

until otherwise directed by the Committee, to execute transactions in the

System Account in accordance with the

following current economic policy

directive:

It is the Committee's current policy to accommodate

moderate growth in bank credit, while putting increased

emphasis on money market conditions that would contribute to

an improvement in the capital account of the U. S. balance

of payments. This policy takes into consideration the

continuing adverse balance of payments position and its

cumulative effects and the high level of domestic business

activity, as well as the increases in bank credit, money

supply, and the reserve base in recent months. At the same

time, however, it recognizes the continuing underutilization

of resources.

To implement this policy, System open market operations

shall be conducted with a view to maintaining the prevailing

degree of firmness in the money market, while accommodating

moderate expansion in aggregate bank reserves.

Messrs.

Votes for this action:

Martin, Bopp, Clay, Irons, Mitchell,

Robertson, and Scanlon. Vctes against

this action: Messrs. Hayes, Balderston,

Mills, and Shepardson.

Mr. Hayes stated, in connection with his vote, that he did .ot

feel that all policy shifts had to be dramatic.

The decision today

involved a relatively small matter, but he thought it appropriate to

record a dissent on the basis that a modification of policy such as he

had suggested would, in his judgment, have some significance.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, section 1(a) of

the continuing authority directive was

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-57amended, in line with the earlier suggestion of the Account Manager, to

authorize the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York, to the extent necessary to

carry out the current economic policy

directive:

(a) To buy or sell United States Government securities

in the open market, from or to Government securities dealers

and foreign and international accounts maintained at the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York, on a cash, regular, or

deferred delivery basis, for the System Open Market Account

at market prices and, for such Accounc, to exchange maturing United States Government securities with the Treasury

or allow them to mature without replacement; provided that

the aggregate amount of such securities held in such Account

(including forward commitments, but not including such

special short-term certificates of indebtedness as may be

purchased from the Treasury under paragraph 2 hereof) shall

not be increased or decreased by more than $1.5 billion

during any period between meetings of the Committee.

At the suggestion of Chairman Martin, it was agreed that discussion of the memorandum from Messrs. Young and Sherman that had been

distributed to the Committee under date of September 28, 1963, regarding

the question of making minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee for

some past period available in some manner for the use of scholars and

others be deferred until the next meeting.

It

was

agreed that the next meeting, of the Federal Open Maket

Committee would be held on Tuesday, October 22, 1963.

The meeting then adjourned.

Secretary

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  year = {1963},
  month = {Sep},
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