fomc minutes · December 2, 1963

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington on Tuesday, December 3, 1963, at 9:30 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Bopp

Clay

Irons

Mills

Mitchell

Robertson

Scanlon

Shepardson

Messrs. Hickman, Wayne, Shuford, and Swan, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Ellis and Deming, Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Boston and Minneapolis,

respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hexter, Assistant General Counsel

Mr. Noyes, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Brill, Eastburn, Furth, Garvy,

Green, Holland, Koch, and Tow, Associate

Economists

Mr. Stone, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open Market

Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel, Board of Governors

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary, Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Yager, Chief, Gcvernment Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board of

Governors

Miss Eaton, Secretary, Office of the Secretary,

Board of Governors

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Mr. Patterson, First Vice President, Federal

Reserve Bank of Atlanta

Messrs. Mann, Ratchford, Taylor, Jones, Parsons,

and Grove, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Cleveland, Richmond,

Atlanta, St. Louis, Minneapolis, and San

Francisco, respectively

Mr. Eisenmenger, Director of Research, Federal

Reserve Bank of Boston

Mr. Cooper, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the minutes of the

meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee held on October 22, 1963, were

approved.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the action of

members of the Federal Open Market Committee on November 22, 1963, in approving

increases of $50 million each in

reciprocal currency arrangements with the

Swiss National Bank and the Bank for

International Settlements. effective as

of Monday, November 25, 1963, was approved,

ratified, and confirmed.

Befcre this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions and on Open Market

Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies for the period

November 12 through November 27, 1963, together with a supplemental

report covering November 28 through December 2, 1963.

Copies of these

reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

Supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs stated that the

Treasury gold stock would remain unchanged for the sixteenth week in a

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The Stabilization Fund now had on hand $65 million of gold,

which should be enough to meet demands for at least the next week or

so.

Over the past few months the Russian gold acquired by the

Stabilization Fund had been quickly absorbed in purchases by the

French, the Argentines, and the Austrians.

In fact, on Thursday,

November 21, the day before President Kennedy's

assassination, the

Stabilization Fund was out of gold completely, although there was in

prospect a sizable distribution from the London Gold Pool early in

December.

To bridge the gap,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

arranged for the Treasury a gold swap with the Bank for International

Settlements in the amount of $30 million, which was paid into the

Stabilization Fund on Friday, November 22.

Consequently, it was

possible to avoid a reduction in the gold stock on the following

Wednesday.

This gold swap would be reversed today, Mr. Coombs said,

when the Stabilization Fund took delivery on the U.

Gold Pool's November acquisitions,

S.

share of the

amounting to $68 million.

Mr. Coombs commented that temporary gold swaps with the Bank

for International Settlements had proved to be another useful piece

of machinery.

There had been no idea that gold swaps would serve

a

purpose such as this when they first had been developed on an

exploratory basis a year or so ago.

Over the past ten days, Mr. Coombs continued, the System's

gross drawings on the swap network had built up still

further.

The

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Account was now in debt to the Swiss to the extent of $150 million,

the Dutch for $80 million, the Germans for $102 million, the

Canadians for $20 million, and the Belgians for $10 million, making

a gross total of $362 million.

The swap drawing with France was

excluded from this accounting since it was fully covered by forward

purchases of French francs.

The Italians had drawn $50 million,

leaving the Account in a net debtor position of $312 million.

During

the past three or four days, however, the Account had maintained its

position pretty well in all currencies except the German mark.

Mr. Coombs thought German banks and industrial firms might.

make further efforts before the end of the year to improve their

year-end balance sheet positions.

There were a good many rumors, he

said, about impaired liquidity positions of a number of German firms,

and these firms were trying to protect themselves.

This would tend

to result in a flow of dollars to the Bundesbank and the Account

might have to draw further on the German swap to mop up these dollars.

On the other hand, the German Government might be making sizable payments in December for military procurement in the United States,

possibly totaling as much as $150 million.

Part of these payments

might be available for reducing some of the System's swap drawings.

In any case, there was reason to expect a return flow of dollars from

Germany after the year end; the present discount on the one-month mark

indicated that forward cover was being sought for this purpose.

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-5In the case of the Swiss franc, Mr. Coombs continued, some

further window dressing might also develop and some additional swap

drawings in moderate volume might be required in consequence.

He

was hopeful, however, that in the Swiss as well as in the German case

it would be possible to make steady progress in paying off the System's

swap drawings after the turn of the year.

He was even more hopeful

that the Account could extricate itself after the year-end from it.s

debtor position in Dutch guilders.

It might be possible to repay the

Canadian drawing in December, when the Canadian dollar generally tends

to be weak.

With respect to drawings by other central banks, Mr. Coombs

thought that the Bank of Italy might make another sizable drawing during

December.

The Bank of England might also wish to draw on the swap line

to help finance their heavy year-end debt payments to the U. S. and

Canada.

Following this report, Mr. Coombs responded to questions by

Mr. Ellis regarding certain recent operations of the Gold Pool.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System Open Market Account transactions in foreign currencies during

the period November 12 through December

2, 1963, were approved, ratified, and

confirmed.

Mr. Coombs recommended a renewal on a 6-month basis of the

existing $50 million swap arrangement with the National Bank of Belgium,

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which had last been renewed on June 20, 1963, and which matured on

December 20, 1963.

Renewal of the swap arrangement

with the National Bank of Belgium for

a further 6-month period was approved.

Mr. Coombs said that he thought the time had now come when the

System might appropriately suggest to the Bank of France an increase

in the swap line from $100 million to $150 million or, preferably, to

$200 million.

As he had mentioned at the Committee meeting of

November 12, 1963, there were recent indications that the French might

be sympathetic to an increase, and he suspected that they might be

even more sympathetic after the events of the past 10 days.

He

recommended that the Committee authorize regotiations with the Bark of

France along those lines.

If the negotiations were successful, he

thought. it would be desirable to announce them simultaneously with an

announcement of the recent increases in the swap lines with the Bank

for International Settlements and the Swiss National Bank.

With an

increase in the French swap line, he thought the swap network would be

pretty well rounded out for the time being, both as to geographical

coverage and in terms of over-all amounts.

Mr. Mills asked why the United States should make the advance

in negotiating an increase in the French swap line.

Given the state of

relationships between the French Government and the United States

Government, he thought it would be preferable to let the French make

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the advance.

He saw no urgent reason for increasing the swap line; it

was simply a matter of convenience and tidying up the arrangements.

The whole tide of events as described today, he said, appeared to be

moving rather rapidly to the point where foreign central banks would

be drawing on the swap arrangements to strengthen their currencies.

In reply, Mr. Coombs commented that he hoped the tide would

move in the direction indicated.

The proposed negotiation, he added,

was not between the French Government and the U. S. Government, but

between the Federal Reserve and the Bank of France.

The swap arrange-

ments were divorced from politics.

Mr. Mills commented that the central banks were creatures of

their governments, and he found it difficult to make a distinction.

Mr. Mills then asked whether the statement Mr. Coombs had made

at the time the Japanese arrangement was entered into, to the effect

that such an arrangement would round out the swap network, had been

intended to imply that the arrangements would be complete only in a

geographic sense, or also that they would be complete in terms of

dollar amounts of individual swap lines.

Mr. Coombs replied that he

had meant complete in the geographic sense, and that he had left open

the possibility of later recommendations for increases in individual

swap lines.

Thereupon, negotiation of an increase in the swap line with the Bank

of France from $100 million to $200

million was authorized.

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Mr. Coombs noted that earlier in the meeting the Committee

had ratified the increases, effective November 25, of $50 million

each in the swap lines with the Swiss National Bank and the Bank for

International Settlements.

These increases raised the total amount

of individually authorized lines from $1.95 billion to $2.05 billion.

He recommended that a corresponding change be made in limit on the

aggregate anount of foreign currencies held under reciprocal currency

arrangements, as specified in the first paragraph of the Committee's

continuing authority directive for foreign currency operations.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the continuing authority directive was

amended as follows:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is authorized and

directed to purchase and sell through spot transactions any

or all of the following currencies in accordance with the

Guidelines on System Foreign Currency Operations reaffirmed

by the Federal Open Market Committee on March 5, 1963, as

amended May 28, 1963; provided that the aggregate amount of

foreign currencies held under reciprocal currency arrangements shall not exceed $2.05 billion equivalent at any one

time, and provided further that the aggregate amount of

fcreign currencies held as a result of outright purchases

shall not exceed $150 million equivalent at any one time:

Pounds sterling

French francs

German marks

Italian lire

Netherlands guilders

Swiss francs

Belgian francs

Canadian dollars

Austrian schillings

Swedish kronor

Japanese yen

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The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to operate in any or all of the foregoing

currencies in accordance with the Guidelines and up to a

combined total of $150 million equivalent, by means of:

(a) purchases through forward transactions, for

the purpose of allowing greater flexibility

in covering commitments under reciprocal

currency agreements;

(b) purchases and sales through forward as well

as spot transactions, for the purpose of

utilizing its holdings of one currency for

the settlement of commitments denominated in

other currencies; and

(c) purchases through spot transactions and sales

through forward transactions, for the purpose

of restraining short-term outflows of funds

induced by arbitrage considerations.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to make purchases through spot transactions,

including purchases from the U. S. Stabilization Fund, and

concurrent sales through forward transactions to the U. S.

Stabilization Fund, of any of the foregoing currencies in

which the U. S. Treasury has outstanding indebtedness, in

accordance with the Guidelines and up to a total of $100

million equivalent. Purchases may be at rates above par,

and both purchases and sales are to be made at the same

rates.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System Open Market

Account covering open market operations in U. S. Government securities

and bankers' acceptances for the period November 12 through November 27,

1963, together with a supplemental report covering the period

November 28 through December 2, 1963.

Copies of these reports have

been placed in the files of the Committee.

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In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Stone commented

as follows:

In the first half of the period since the Committee's

November 12 meeting--that is, in the week and a half prior

to the assassination--the markets were enjoying an appreciable improvement in atmosphere from the heavy tone that had

characterized the preceding several weeks. That tone was

just beginning to brighten at about the time of the

November 12 meeting following the sizable purchase of

Treasury bills undertaken by the Trading Desk for various

trust fund accounts on November 8. Soon afterward, the

market drew added strength from the Treasury's November 13

announcement of a $100 million reduction in the forthcoming

3-month bill issue in light of current international rate

relationships, and from the publication of improved balance

of payments data for the third quarter of 1963. In

combination, these developments suggested to the market

that international factors did not call for a further

firming of credit policy or hardening of short-term rates

and that the upward rate movement of earlier weeks may have

been overdone. As the period progressed, sizable System

purchases of bills to supply reserves cut down dealers'

large inventories and added to the market's feeling of

confidence.

Under these influences,

the bid rate on 3-

month bills declined from 3.58 per cent on November 13 to

3.47 per cent by November 22. The 6-month bill was down

from a high point of 3.69 per cent on November 12-13 to

3.64 per cent by November 22,

In recent days both rates

have undergone the customary seasonal rise, with the average issuing rates for 3- and 6-month bills at 3.53 and 3,67

per cent,

respectively, in yesterday's auction.

The improvement in atmosphere that developed in the

bill market also spread to coupon-bearing issues of all

maturities as the lower prices that had emerged in recent

weeks attracted moderate investor interest and as dealers

sought to cover short positions in some issues. By

November 22, prices of a number of intermediate- and

longer-term Treasury issues were roughly 1/4 to 1/2 point

higher than on November 8, and dealer positions had worked

down to the point where they could no longer be regarded

as unusually large. The new 18-month 3-7/8 per cent note,

which was bid at a shade under par in when-issued trading

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on November 8, climbed to a par bid by the November 15 payment date and was quoted slightly abcve par by November 22.

Since that time prices have drifted slightly lower in

relatively light activity.

The Committee of course knows of the splendid performance put on by the market both when the shattering news of

the President's assassination was received and when the

market reopened the following Tuesday. Among the major

factors contributing to that kind of performance was a

feeling that there was no reason for any marked change in

financial values--or if there was, no one had any convictions

as to the direction such a change should take. Another

important factor was the relatively unruffled performance of

the foreign exchange markets. I should like also to record

a rather fundamental influence that underlay the calm

atmosphere of the market on Tuesday, when the enormity of

what had happened over the week-end was fully comprehended.

This fundamental influence was a strong and active sense of

individual responsibility on the part of virtually every

participant in the market. Everyone, in those circumstances,

sought to act constructively and to avoid any action that

might have adverse effects on the market. Finally, the

swift and smooth accession of Mr. Johnson to the presidency

imparted a strong sense of continuity and contributed

substantially to the calm and confident atmosphere that

enveloped the market on that critical Tuesday.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions in

Government securities and bankers'

acceptances during the period November

12 through December 2, 1963, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Stone then noted that he and Mr. Farrell, Director of the

Board's Division of Bank Operations, had distributed a memorandum

dated November 27, 1963 to the Committee on procedures with respect to

allocations of the System Open Market Account.

(Note:

A copy of this

memorandum has been placed in the files of the Committee.)

The purpose

was to call to the Committee's attention the fact that the procedure

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adopted by the Committee in September 1963 might result, over the

next few weeks, in some Federal Reserve Bank or Banks incurring a

reserve deficiency on days other than statement dates.

He summarized

three alternatives set forth in the memorandum that seemed to be

available to the Committee.

Chairman Martin observed that the meeting scheduled for that

afternoon between the Board of Governors and Federal Reserve Bank

Presidents seemed to him to provide an appropriate opportunity to

discuss this matter, and he asked Mr. Stone to be present at that

meeting.

Secretary's Note: The discussion of this

subject in the afternoon meeting between

the Board of Governors and the Presidents

of the Federal Reserve Banks is reported

in the minutes of that meeting. As

indicated in those minutes, the meeting

of the Federal Open Market Committee was

reconvened following this discussion.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and by

unanimous vote, the procedures with respect

to allocations of the System Open Market

Account were revised, effective December 3,

1963, as follows:

1. Securities in the System Open Market Account shall be

reallocated on the last business day of each statement week

and of each month by means of adjustments proportionate to the

adjustments that would have been required to equalize approximately the average combined reserve ratios of the 12 Federal

Reserve Banks based on the most recent available five business

days' reserve ratio figures.

2. The Board's staff shall calculate, in the morning of

each business day, the reserve ratios of each Bank after

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allowing for the indicated effects of the settlement of the

Interdistrict Settlement Fund for the preceding day. If

these calculations should disclose a deficiency in the

reserve ratio of any Bank, the Board's staff shall inform

the Manager of the System Open Market Account, who shall

make a special adjustment as of the previous day to restore

the combined reserve ratio of that Bank to the average of

all the Banks or to such higher level as may be necessary

to eliminate the deficiency in note or deposit reserves.

However, such adjustments shall not be made beyond the point

where a deficiency would be created at. any other Bank. Such

adjustments shall be offset against the participation of the

Bank or Banks best able to absorb the additional amount or,

at the discretion of the Manager, against the participation

of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The Board's staff

and the Bank or Banks concerned shall then be notified of

the amounts involved and the Interdistrict Settlement Fund

shall be closed after giving effect to the adjustments as

of the preceding business day.

3. Until the next reallocation the Account shall be

apportioned on the basis of the ratios determined in para-

graph 1, after allowing for any adjustments as provided for

in paragraph 2.

4.

Profits and losses on the sale of securities from

the Account shall be allocated cn the day of delivery of

the securities sold on the basis of each Bank's current

holding at the opening of business on that day.

Chairman Martin then called for the staff economic and financial

reports, supplementing the written reports that had been distributed

prior to the meeting, copies of which have been placed in the files of

the Committee.

Mr. Noyes commented on economic conditions as follows:

Obviously the assassination of President Kennedy was an

event of great economic as well as human and political

significance. But it would be presumptuous at this point for

me to even attempt to assess the longer range economic

implications of the resulting changes in our national leader-

ship. A few facts of economic significance about events of

the last ter days may be noted. We have seen a rapid return

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to normalcy in markets of all kinds. This suggests to me

that there is some depth and resilience on both sides of both

financial and product markets. Such a situation is certainly

a healthy one, for which we can all be grateful. It

encourages us to believe that the economy will continue to

adjust rationally to economically significant developments

as they actually transpire--whether they stem from private

or public sources. In other words, it seems reasonable to

conclude that the economy will respond to either stimulative

or restraining changes in policy in the normal ways in which

one would expect a free enterprise economy to adjust.

Specifically, the behavior of markets during this crisis

would seem to me to confirm that the response to any change

in monetary policy at this time in either direction would be

al.ong the lines one would normally expect from such a policy

change--not perverse or of an exaggerated magnitude.

We do not yet have enough information to measure the

immediate economic impact of the President's death and the

period of national mourning that followed. It is obvious

that retail sales were adversely affected in both the weeks

ending November 23d and 30th. The effect was probably large

enough to cause sales for November as a whole to be below

anticipated levels. This seems to be widely understood,

however, and it is doubtful that the relatively poor showing

will have much effect on business confidence when it is

confirmed by the official figures in 10 days or so.

By and large, the additional data that have become

available since the last meeting, almost all of which relates

to October, tends to support the favorable appraisal of the

outlook that is becoming more widely accepted as each day

passes. Auto sales in the first 20 days of November were

off a little, but are still at a high rate. Housing starts

brke out on the high side in October--and even if they were

attributable in large part to unusually favorable weather,

it is hard not to be impressed by the fact that builders

were prepared to start so many units in any kind of weather.

Orders for steel continue strong, especially from the auto

industry, but appliance and construction demand is also

well maintained.

We have all said from time to time that price developments will bear close watching and we are watching them as

closely as we know how. In the staff they have been

intensively reviewed at both the domestic and international

levels. There is no doubt that international commodity

prices have strengthened, in part because of shortfalls in

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output, especially in Iron Curtain countries. There is also

no doubt that several important continental countries are

confronted with serious internal inflationary developments.

Further, it is clear that the net change in domestic prices,

while very moderate on the average, is upward. The latest

change in the consumer price index is described as largely

seasonal, but it is up a little, as was the latest change

in the wholesale prices. Firming seems to be the word that

best characterizes recent price developments, and this

firmer tone in the markets for their products has contributed to the more optimistic outlook of many businessmen.

In fact, it is doubtful that we could have achieved the

present levels of output and investment without some

improvement in the price outlook, as viewed by the businessman. The situation still does not seem to me to be one that

can properly be characterized as inflationary, and expectations could shift rapidly, as they have during other recent

winters.

This leads me directly to the one word of caution that

seems appropriate at this time. No matter what we do to the

figures by way of statistical adjustment, we cannot eliminate

the actual seasonal midwinter decline in the pace of economic

activity. Even though the seasonally adjusted figures

continue to rise, we know that the actual rates of output and

employment in some lines are almost certain to go down in

January and February, and that these actual declines carry

with them a lessening of confidence in the outlook, no matter

how often we remind people that they are "only" seasonal.

Therefore, any move toward lesser ease at this time is likely

to coincide in the eyes of observers with the midwinter lull

in general economic activity.

There is some advantage in

deferring any significant change in policy until we see how

the economy, and the current wave of business optimism,

survives the rigors of winter.

Mr. Koch made the following statement on financial developments:

I shall summarize briefly today recent financial developments and then talk a little about the course of some of the

broad indicators of monetary policy since about midyear.

Domestic financial markets took the tragic news of

President Kennedy's assassination fairly smoothly, very

smoothly if one excludes the sharp decline of stock prices in

a brief period on that fateful Friday afternoon and the sharp

rebound on the following Tuesday. Since then, stock prices

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have risen further, suggesting business and financial confidence in the new administration. The Government

securities market performed very well, with retail selling

small and with bond and bill yields both steady at levels

somewhat. below their highs for the current expansion.

Looking beyond the most immediate past, one of the

most striking developments has been the marked pickup in

business borrowing from banks. Such borrowing has averaged

from a half to three-quarters of a billion dollars more

than seasonal in each of the last three months. Outstanding real estate and consumer loans at banks have also experienced sharp further advances.

But with reserves less readily available, prior to

November banks met their increased loan demands by reducing

their Government security portfolios substantially. In

November bank holdings of Governments increased, but

perhaps temporarily due to new Treasury financing. Banks

also are curtailing their acquisitions, of municipal securities somewhat. This is a typical course of bank portfolio

adjustments in a period of business expansion with lessened

reserve availability.

Capital market financing by corporations and municipalities dropped off in November, but the new issue calendar

for corporations in December will again be large, partly for

seasonal reasons. Corporate and municipal bond yields, like

Government yields, have changed little since the death of

the President.

Morey supply growth has continued at a rapid pace,

approximating a billion dollars in the first half of November. This followed a rise of a similar amount in October.

More recent data on required reserves behind private deposits

suggest a further moderate rise in the money supply in the

last half of November. Growth in time and savings deposits

of individuals slackened a bit in November, reflecting in

part earlier than usual withdrawals of Christmas Club

accounts, but the larger banks continue to bid aggressively

for certificate of deposit money from corporations.

As for bank reserve positions, they seem to have been

under slightly less pressure than earlier. Free reserves,

for example, have averaged about $100 million recently, as

compared with about $50 million for a few weeks in October.

Moreover, preliminary estimates of free reserves have

generally been above final revised figures, and these early

figures were probably a more accurate indicator of the money

market conditions that actually prevailed than were the later

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ones, which involved mainly increased required reserves at

the country banks. Required reserves behind private

deposits continue to average significantly above the guide-

line figures computed from a late July base.

But this

excess has developed in large part because of a sharp

decline in Government deposits. Total reserves have

increased at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of less than

1-1/2 per cent since midyear. Since borrowings are up over

this period, nonborrowed reserves are actually down from

midyear.

Let me now turn to the interrelationships among the

various broad indicators of monetary policy, namely, bank

reserves, bank credit, the money supply, and interest rates.

The recent course of these indicators deserves separate

attenton, first, from midyear through October and, second,

in November alone.

Growth in total reserves and in bank credit slackened

markedly from midyear through October. Total loans and

investments at commercial banks, for example, increased at

a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5-1/2 per cent over

the three months ending with October, as compared with

7-1/2 per cent earlier in the year, and 9 per cent last

year.

On the other hand, growth in required reserves behind

private deposits and in the money supply picked up after

July. The money supply increase averaged about 3-1/2 per

cent on an annual rate basis over the three months ending

with October, as compared with 3-1/4 per cent earlier in

the year and 1-1/2 per cent in 1962. Interest rates continued a moderate upward trend through October.

How can these changes be reconciled? In the first

place, the increased rate of rise in the narrowly defined

money supply occurred despite the slackening in bank credit

expansion, It reflected in the main sharply reduced U. S.

Government deposits and a somewhat reduced rate of increase

in time and savings deposits, neither of which are included

in the money supply. The interest rate rise reflected the

reduced rates of expansion in savings and in bank credit-with loans rising more than seasonally but with banks

liquidating Governments contraseasonally. The rise also

reflected expectations of higher rates and possibly a less

easy monetary policy,

The relationships among bank reserves, bank credit,

money and interest rates had to be different after October,

if only because Government deposits had declined sharply to

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If growth in the money supply were to continue

a low level.

at the pre-November rate, the expansion in total reserves and

bank credit had to be larger, or time and savings deposit

growth had to slacken markedly.

As we have seen, the course of the major monetary policy

indicators did follow a more consistent course in November,

with total reserves and bank credit expanding sharply along

with the money supply. The main reason for this difference in

November from earlier months seems to me to lie in Government

financial behavior with Treasury balances no longer being

drawn down and with new Federal financing, in part underwritten

by the banks, on the rise. With monetary policy unchanged and

in practice following a free reserve guide that put reserves

into the market to preserve a relatively steady tone and feel

of the money market, the larger over-all demands for bank

financing and cash balances--on the part of the Treasury as

well as the general public--were met without further upward

pressure on interest rates. Contributing to this stability

of rates was also the changed market expectations as to

official attitudes about appropriate short-term rate levels.

Prior to November the reduced rate of expansion in total

reserves and bank credit had led me to believe that perhaps a

slightly easier monetary policy was appropriate. November

developments suggest that some easing may actually have

occurred

In any case, with the political and economic

outlook still uncertain, recent developments suggest to me

a course of watchful waiting, maintaining approximately the

current monetary posture, at least until we can see how

strong are the cyclical demands for bank credit and money

after the seasonal forces shift from expansion to contraction

after about Christmas. If these cyclical demands prove very

strong ard lead to financial excesses or upward price pressures,

they will warrant curbing. If they are not strong and if the

seasonal contraction is marked, additional monetary stimula-

tion may well be called for.

Mr. Furth made the following statement on the balance of payments:

In the field of international finance, as in all others,

developments during the past few weeks have been overshadowed

by the death of President Kennedy and the advent of a new

administration.

Until the third week of November, U. S. international

payments seemed to present the same moderately encouraging

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picture as during the third quarter and the month of October.

The disappointingly large deficit for the week ending

November 20--$150 million--reportedly was in large measure

due to window-dressing operations of a Canadian bank whose

fiscal year ended on November 30; and the result for the

following week--a deficit of $90 million--obviously gives

no clues as to the future.

In Continental Europe, moves toward tighter monetary

policies contradicted statements made at the recent Working

Party 3 meeting but nevertheless did not come unexpectedly.

The tightening countries, France and Belgium, had large

reserve gains but presumably more at the expense of other

European countries than of the United States.

In the absence of material changes in the world

economic situation, of which no signs are as yet visible,

the future course of the U. S. payments balance will depend

mainly upon future policy actions of the new U. S. administration and the market reactions to them. The decisive question

obviously concerns possible departures of the new administration's policies from those of the Kennedy administration.

President Kennedy's policy line on international finance

may be understood as a system of very gradual moves, aiming

as much as possible toward economic expansion rather than

restriction.

Thus, on non-Government current account, curtailment

of imports was avoided and stress was laid on expansion of

exports, not only through the traditional and not very

effective methods of export promotion but also in two more

basic ways. First, the administration supported the

maintenance of conditions conducive to wage and price

stability by exerting moral suasion on labor to avoid wage

cost increases and on business to avoid price increases.

President Kennedy's interventions in the railroad dispute this

year and in the steel price move last year were the most

conspicuous instances.

Second, the insistence on trade liberalization, expressed

in the Trade Agreements Act and the forthcoming "Kennedy

round" of tariff negotiations, was designed to improve the

U. S. trade balance. Since U. S. exports greatly exceed

U. S.. imports, an equal percentage increase in both exports

and imports would significantly raise our export surplus.

On Government account, stress was laid on avoiding

reductions in total expenditures for military and economic

aid--with rather minor exceptions for some defense outlays

overseas. Instead, spending was deflected from foreign to

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domestic recipients, thus simultaneously improving the

payments balance and stimulating domestic production.

This

is the rationale of the increased preference for domestic

suppliers of goods and services for the armed forces abroad,

of the agreements for countervailing foreign purchases of

U. S. armaments, and of the comprehensive tying of economic

aid to exports of U. S. goods and services.

Finally, on non-Government capital account, the administration avoided direct capital controls and instead proposed

to curb long-term outflows through the interest equalization

tax. The tax would tend to make domestic placement of funds

relatively more attractive than placement abroad, thus again

combining the two goals of international and domestic policy.

The proposed tax cut was also expected to make domestic

investment more attractive and in this way help to offset

the deterioration on current account usually accompanying a

faster rate of economic expansion. The most recent efforts

at direct promotion of foreign investment in this country

are designed to serve the same purpose.

The only nonexpansionary measure, the modest raising of

short-term rates through debt management support of Federal

Reserve actions, was so designed as to avoid any serious

restrictive effect by minimizing as far as possible a rise

in long-term rates or any reduction in the over-all availability of money and credit.

How far can the new administration be expected to follow

those same lines? The first public messages of President

Johnson reveal firm determination to abide by the principles

that guided President Kennedy. This will exclude any radical

innovation, such as explicit or implicit devaluation by means

of changes in the dollar-gold relation or in the system of

fixed par values, or any establishment of exchange controls

or other direct restrictions on current or capital transactions.

But the new administration seems to put greater emphasis

on curbing Government expenditures. It may therefore also

take a firmer line on Government expenditures abroad, without

abandoning either the defense of Europe and Asia, or the

principle of international assistance to developing nations.

Moreover, the new administration perhaps enjoys more goodwill

with leaders of American business, and may therefore be better

able to use its influence against price increases.

Labor, on the other hand, will perhaps be more critical

of efforts to intervene in wage disputes, and the risk of

crippling strikes may slightly increase.

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Foreign governments and markets apparently are reserving judgment. But if the new administration can hold the

cost and price line at home, persuade the Congress to pass

the income tax cut and the interest equalization tax, and

reduce Government expenditures abroad--then foreigners will

certainly continue their collaboration, limited as always

by the real or imagined interests of their own countries.

In this situation, the relations of the Federal Reserve

with foreign central banks are likely to be particularly

important. The world knows that the management and the

policies of the Federal Reserve will not suffer from

discontinuity, whatever may happen in the Executive and the

Legislative Branch. This assurance should serve to minimize difficulties in money and capital markets as well as

in the attitudes and policies of foreign monetary authorities--as effectively as it did in November.

Chairman Martin then called for the usual go-around of comments

and views on economic conditions and monetary policy beginning with

Mr. Hayes, who presented the following statement:

Before trying to summarize my impressions of the current business and credit situation, I would emphasize that

none of us can foresee all the consequences of President

Kennedy's tragic death, and we would therefore do well, I

think, to reserve judgment in some degree and await the

unfolding of events. However, I do believe we can find

much satisfaction in the calm and wisdom that seem to have

characterized the political transition to date and in the

widespread evidence of continuing optimism on the part of

both businessmen and consumers. Also, we appear to have

gotten by with a minimum of disturbance to the dollar's

position abroad, thanks in part to prompt action on this

side to enlist the aid of the principal foreign central

banks and to their swift and wholehearted cooperation in

holding rates firm.

Subject to the general reservation already mentioned,

business prospects for the immediate months ahead continue

to look strong. The more complete statistics now available

for October bear out previous impressions of a distinct

pick-up, with good gains in industrial production, employment, personal income, retail sales, new orders for durable

goods and housing starts. Fragmentary data suggest that the

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improvement was maintained in November. Expectations of

good gains in business spending on plant and equipment

are supported not only by the latest figures on capital

appropriations but also by increasingly frequent comments

by businessmen to the effect that practical capacity operation is being attained in a growing number of lines. The

probability of passage of the tax bill at a relatively early

date appears to have been enhanced, if anything, by the

change in the Presidency.

It is clear that we are not yet out of the woods with

respect to the balance of payments problem,, despite the

sharp iprovement of the third quarter. November seems

likely to show an uncomfortably large deficit, somewhat

above that of October, with both months having been affected

adversely by window-dressing activities of the Canadian banks.

It is also possible that some of the term loan commitments

reported this summer and fall are reflected in larger capital

outflows in recent weeks.

Since our last meeting, we have

had further evidence, in the form of a discount rate increase

by the Bank of France, that the serious inflationary trend in

major European countries can be expected to bring credit

restrictions despite these countries' desire not to invite an

inflow of capital, particularly from the United States. We

should also have in mind that the Federal Reserve is now a net

user of.the swaps to the extent of somewhat more than $300

million, and it would be well to try to recoup a good portion

of this in preparation for future crises.

Coming to the credit situation, I was struck at our last

meeting by the wide divergence between two schools of thought

as to the significance of credit data of the past year or so.

Whereas some members of the Committee and staff feared that

the recert growth of total reserves has been inadequate and

that the banks are coming under excessive pressure as rising

loan demands have forced them to dispose of investments, other

members pointed to evidence that total bank credit has kept on

growing at a surprisingly rapid pace despite our various moves

toward less ease, that banks are still looking avidly for

loans, ard that over-all nonbank liquidity has risen rapidly

without interruption.

I have taken a closer look than usual at the available

credit statistics to try to assess these wide differences in

interpretation. It seems to me that the case for inadequate

total reserve growth has hinged too much on the data for a

single mcnth--October--when total bank credit did show only

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weak expansion, partly reflecting the timing of prior

Treasury financings and possibly also a sharp drop in

Treasury deposits. A much stronger showing would have

been made if reserve growth through September had been

considered, and partial data for November suggest a

strong pick-up in credit expansion last month. Thus the

case for a recent slowdown in bank credit growth cannot

yet be considered as established, though it is possible

that a slowdown is in the making--as might in fact be

reasonably expected after successive System moves toward

lesser case.

It is also not clear whether the large excess in

seasonally adjusted required reserves against private

deposits above the Board's guideline curing November can

be regarded as an indication of quickening bank credit

growth. In part, at least, it would seem to reflect an

unusually sharp rise in reserves required against demand

This could be an indication

rather than time deposits.

of a continuing shift in emphasis toward demand deposits

that can occur as the economy gains momentum and that would

imply larger reserve needs even if the rate of bank credit

growth were to remain constant or to slow down somewhat.

The data do undoubtedly support the view that the composition of bank credit growth is changing, with increased

business lending being accompanied by some net liquidation

of governments, and perhaps by a somewhat reduced rate of

purchase of municipals. As for bank liquidity positions,

banks outside of New York appear to have suffered greater

impairment of liquidity in the past year than have the New

York City banks. Certainly the New York banks are still

actively seeking loans both here and abroad. Money supply

and total nonbank liquidity have grown more rapidly this year

thanlast year--although the expected increase in Treasury

deposits before the year-end may tend to dampen this trend.

The implications of all this for policy are not wholly

clear.

It would seem, however, that the focus of policy

should be primarily on the effects of reserve changes as

manifested in credit flows, credit market conditions and

over-all liquidity rather than in recent changes in the rate

of reserve growth.

Cumulative bank credit expansion in this

upswing has been far greater than that over corresponding

periods of earlier business expansion. On the other hand,

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we cannot judge the appropriateness of the rate of bank

credit expansion solely in terms of past cyclical patterns;

it must be assessed in the light of the strength and nature

of the business expansion and the over-all credit and

liquidity requirements of an economy moving toward fuller

resource utilization.

The change in composition of bank

credit growth in recent months seems to me quite normal as

the economy gains momentum. There is, however, some ground

for caution in the fact that this gathering momentum could

bring a rather substantial switch from time to demand deposits,

with consequent pressure on credit markets and on the banks'

willingness to lend and invest.

I am forced to conclude that we can better than ever

afford to place major emphasis on the over-all feel of the

credit and money markets and on measures of total credit

expansion, and less emphasis on actual rates of reserve

growth

For the immediate future it would seem well to

maintain a steady policy while cbservi.ng developments both

at home and in our international payments. This would mean

keeping the Federal funds rate steadily at 3-1/2 per cent

and encouraging a 3-month bill rate close to the discount

rate, with variations on either side. At this time of

seasonal pressures, it might range as high as 3.60 per cent.

The discount rate should not be changed, and I should think

we could continue the directive as modified at our recent

telephone meeting. I do think it not unlikely, however,

that we shall sooner or later be forced by a continuing

balance of payments problem, against a background of an

improving domestic economy, to take further steps in the

direction of greater credit restriction.

Mr. Ellis said that New England marufacturing output and

employment continued a sidewise movement.

The index of manufacturing

output was up only 1 point in a year-to-year comparison.

In the past

year only one of the five major components of the index had showed

any real growth--transportation equipment, which was up 7 per cent.

This increase was largely offset in the total index by declines in

other components.

Total employment remained about unchanged, while

manufacturing employment showed further weakness, being 2.5 per cent

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below a year earlier in October.

Advance plans in October for new

heavy construction were higher than a year ago.

Cumulative starts

for the first 10 months of the year showed a 9 per cent gain over a

year ago, compared with a 3 per cent gain nationally.

In contrast to the United States pattern, Mr. Ellis continued,

business loan demand in New England had risen less than seasonally in

the past 2 months.

There was a greater than seasonal spurt in demand

deposits in November.

District weekly reporting banks were on the

selling side of the Federal funds market.

The shifting to municipals

had been at least temporarily reversed.

The change in the Administration appeared to have resulted in

generally improved business expectations, Mr. Ellis said, with a

feeling that the political climate wculd be more favorable to business.

He thought that labor might press its demands more strongly than under

the previous Administration, and that prices would firm.

Turning to monetary policy, Mr. Ellis observed that 10 days

earlier there had been widespread confidence that business trends

would be strongly up during the next 6 months.

Business loans at

banks and the money supply were expanding sharply, prices were firm,

and business orders rising.

The President's assassination caused

everyone to review the situation again and to attempt to assess the

economic significance of the tragedy.

that the business outlook had improved.

Mr. Ellis was inclined to agree

Nevertheless, he thought it

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would be improper to make any change in monetary policy at this

meeting, particularly since the next meeting was only two weeks away,

and since there would be heavy seasonal needs for reserves before

Christmas.

It seemed easier to conclude that there should be no

change in policy, Mr. Ellis continued, than to specify just what

that conclusion implied.

He advocated a " s easonally adjusted and

cyclically adjusted no change."

If market demands tended to push up

interest rates in a customary seasonal rise, rates should be free to

reflect these demands.

To him, "no change" did not mean that Federal

Reserve credit would be supplied in unlimited amounts to hold rates

at present levels if strong and increasing demands by borrowers

materialized.

As targets, Mr. Ellis said, he would suggest net free reserves

below $100 million, Federal funds consistently at 3-1/2 per cent, and

the 90-day bill rate fluctuating above or below the discount rate.

He

would suggest no change in the discount rate at present, but he observed

that the French action in raising their discount rate shortly after the

last meeting of the Committee indicated their determination to use

monetary policy in fighting inflation.

With respect to the directive, Mr. Ellis said that he would

be inclined to delete the reference in the second paragraph to

"cushioning any unsettlement that might arise in money markets stemming

from the death of President Kennedy."

He proposed including in the

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first paragraph a reference to the uncertainties resulting from the

change in the Administration, because, as Mr. Noyes had indicated,

this was an event of great economic significance.

Mr. Irons said that during October conditions in the Eleventh

District were steady at a very high level, and the indications for

the first two weeks of November were for continued economic strength.

Data for the last part of November undoubtedly would show some slackening of activity in retail trade, industry, and other sectors as a

result of the cessation of business for several days following the

President's assassination.

There were signs of a recent pick-up in

retail trade, however, if one could judge by the crowds and parking

problems in shopping centers.

interest in Christmas shopping.

There seemed to be a beginning of

Automobile registrations were at a

record high, and construction was very strong.

had been improved by recent rains.

to repcrt;

Agricultural conditions

On the whole, there was little new

it would be necessary to observe developments during the

next four or five weeks.

Mr. Irons commented that loans, investments, and deposits at

District banks recently were all up in fairly sizable amounts.

The

increase in bank loans was general among types of loans, and the rise

in investments was mainly in holdings of Government securities.

deposits also were up, but not so much as a year ago.

Time

Several District

banks had been active buyers of Federal funds, Mr. Irons continued, and

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compared with the period 3 weeks earlier, District banks were borrowing more from the Federal Reserve Bank; they were swinging from

moderate-to-low borrowing to substantial borrowing.

There had been

an increase in week-end borrowing, particularly by large city banks,

who were coming in on Friday afternoon and going out on the following

Monday or Tuesday, and this pushed the average borrowing figures up.

Nationally, Mr. Irons said, the economic picture was strong.

Activity was not surging but the situation was probably healthier

than if it were.

in policy.

He thought this was not a time to make any change

He saw no strong reasons for a policy change, even apart

from the recent tragedy.

ably satisfactory.

Interest rate relationships seemed reason-

He thought that seasonal requirements for reserves

should be met, but reserves should not be provided to excess.

Some

increase in discounting might occur.

This was a period, Mr. Irons said, during which the Desk

should give particular attention to the feel of the market.

He had

in min' pretty much the same statistical limits as Mr. Ellis had

mentioned--free reserves in the zero to $100 million range, the bill

rate moving around 3-1/2 per cent but not too far above or below the

level, and the Federal funds rate at 3-1/2 per cent.

change the discount rate at this time.

He would not

As to the directive, he did

not think any change was necessary unless the Committee wanted to take

out the reference to President Kennedy's death.

He would be reluctant

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to put in a clause referring to the change in Administration such as

Mr. Ellis had suggested.

The Committee might keep this in mind but

he thought there was no place for it in the directive.

Mr. Swan said that economic activity in the Twelfth District

continued to rise in October and presumably also in early November.

As in the nation, there seemed to be no marked indications to date

that reassessments of the last two weeks were likely to check the

possibility of further gains.

Total emplcyment had increased in

October, and for a change the increase was greater than that in labor

force; the unemployment rate, seasonally adjusted, had declined by

0.1 per cent.

Developments with respect to construction activity in

October were mixed, with housing starts rising but construction

employment down for the second month in a row.

District manufacturing

showed gains in October and seemed to have continued at a good pace

in the first part of November.

With respect to banking developments, Mr. Swan reported that

Twelfth District banks had shared in the rather large rise in loans

that occurred in other parts of the country.

Through November 20,

weekly reporting banks showed a substantial loan increase, half of

which was in business loans.

Demand deposits had risen but time de-

posits declined primarily because of Christmas club payments.

There

was some indication of a slightly tighter reserve position, but no

substantial change.

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-30With respect to policy, Mr. Swan said he concurred in the view

already expressed that the Committee would not want to make any change

at this time.

He thought it was still necessary for the Committee to

do what it could to see that the confidence reflected in the current

situation was not affected adversely.

The Committee would meet again

in two weeks, and could assess the situation then.

Mr. Swan added that he also felt there was some problem in

defining "no change."

He thought the Committee would want to take

care of seasonal demands between now and Christmas.

factor

But if seasonal

were expected to have an effect in the market and no effort

were made to offset them, this would amount to a change in policy.

He preferred to avoid this course if possible.

He also would want to

avoid any possibility of inferences by the market of a shift to a

tighter policy.

While the bill rate might well fluctuate around the

discount rate, Mr. Swan said, he would hope that it would not be above

the discount rate for any sustained period of time.

change The directive.

He would not

He agreed with Mr. Irons that the suggested

change in the first paragraph was inappropriate, and preferred to

retain the clause that had been inserted in the second paragraph

relating to the President's death.

Mr. Deming said that in the business survey taken by the

Minneapolis Bank in late November, mostly just before President

Kennedy's death, there was little appreciable change in sentiment

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from earlier surveys this year dating back some months.

Approximtely

two-thirds felt that business activity would continue to move ahead

moderately in the weeks immediately ahead.

However, a few reporters

from the rural areas expressed some concern with lower cattle prices

and their impact on farm incomes.

Personal incomes in the Ninth District were relatively strong

in October, up from September and above October a year ago in about

the same proportions as national figures.

Bank debits continued to

run substantially higher than a year ago.

Construction activity was

strong, and this seemed to be true also of over-all retail sales.

District department store people were optimistic about prospective,

Christmas ss.les and brisk activity in car and farm machinery sales

around the District had been reported to the Bank in recent weeks.

In general, Mr. Deming said, he would characterize the business trend in the Ninth District as roughly paralleling that of the

nation--expansion with prospects for continued improvement in the

weeks ahead.

In District banking, total bank credit expansion both in

October and in the early weeks of November was approximately in line

with the usual seasonal patterns.

However, within that total, loans

expanded above the usual seasonal pattern while investments were not

quite so strong as usual.

A major portion of the total loan advance

was in commercial and industrial loans.

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-32Mr. Deming said he agreed with these who had suggested that

there be no change in policy for the forthcoming two weeks; he thought

this was the course of wisdom in the present situation.

with Mr. Irons with respect to the directive.

He also agreed

He did not think it

propez to insert a reference in the first paragraph to the change in

Administration, and he thought the phrasing of the second paragraph

was appropriate for implementing a policy of no change.

He concurred

in the guidelines Mr. Ellis had laid down, with this amendment:

he

would like to see the bill rate fluctuating around the 3-1/2 per cent

discount rate, but not too far.

He thought 3.60 might be too far on

the upside.

Mr. Scanlon reported that economic activity in the Seventh

District was continuing the gradual improvement he had reported at

recent meetings.

Confidence and moderate optimism were widespread and

appeared to have been affected only nomentarily by the assassination

of President Kennedy and the transfer of executive responsibilities

to President Johnson.

Capital expenditures were expected by midwest manufacturers

of producers' durable goods to exceed the McGraw-Hill estimate of a

4 per cent rise for 1964. For example, the decline indicated by the

survey for railroad equipment contrasted with an appreciable increase

expected by industry sources.

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Total credit at weekly reporting banks in the Seventh District

rose strongly in the first three weeks of November with both loans and

investments participating in the rise.

Business loans had continued to

rise faster than in corresponding periods of other recent years.

On policy, Mr. Scanlon said he believed it was desirable to do

everything possible to maintain an atmosphere of stability in the money

markets in the next few weeks.

meeting seasonal pressures.

To him, th.is would mean providing for

Like Mr. Irons and others, he would recom-

mend no change in the directive and would not favor changing the discount rate.

Mr. Clay said that following a Governmental transition such

as this country had experienced recently there would appear to be

considerable merit in maintaining the general monetary posture unchanged unless circumstances dictated otherwise.

In his opinion this

view had merit despite the fact that the changeover had been made in

a very orderly manner and there was no evidence that the course of

economic and financial events had been altered.

Reviewing other considerations, Mr. Clay said, there seemed

to be no compelling reason to change policy at this time.

When the

Committee last met developments in the credit markets were a matter

of some concern, as interest rates had moved to a markedly higher

level in the short-term area with upward pressure on interest rates

throughout the maturity structure. However, subsequent developments

altered that situation and interest rates receded somewhat.

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Thinking in terms of those later credit market developments

rather than those existing at the time of the last meeting, Mr. Clay

said, policy for the period ahead might appropriately continue essentially unchanged.

Weighing the various factors in the international

situation, present policy seemed satisfactory--with any injection of

restraint and upward pressure on interest rates to be avoided.

Sus-

taining economic growth in this country continued to require the

assistance of public policy.

In keeping with this view, the domestic

situation also called for an avoidance of any reduction of reserve

availability and upward pressure on interest rates.

Rather, member

bank reserves should be provided in sufficient volume to permit commercial bank credit to expand on a seasonally adjusted basis.

So

far as the 90-day Treasury bill rate was concerned, Mr. Clay said,

it would be well to think of 3-1/2 per cent as about the upper end

of the yield range.

No change should be made in the discount rate,

and the economic policy directive might appropriately be left in its

present form,

Mr. Wayne reported that Fifth District business continued to

expand, with October statistics quite good.

All categories of non-

farm employment except services advanced as did most categories of

factory man-hours.

Gains were particularly strong in textiles,

apparel, transportation equipment, and primary metals.

Bank debits

remained close to September's record level, and coal production rose

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to the best levels of the year.

Building permits slipped below the

September all-time high but remained higher than in any other month.

Current clues, Mr. Wayne said, suggested that November showed a

similar rise.

Department store sales rebounded after sagging in

October, and rates of insured unemployment remained low.

Respondents

in the Reserve Bank's opinion survey displayed renewed optimism.

On

balance, they reported further gains in nfw orders, backlogs, shipments, wages, and prices but no rise in employment or hours.

Con-

struction firms were said to be working at or near capacity with

wages and material prices tending upward.

Flue-cured tobacco sales

were still 9 per cent below last year's levels.

Mr. Wayne observed that since the present period of business

expansion started in February 1961 the American economy had passed

through five major periods of crisis.

These were the abortive Cuban

invasion, the building of the Berlin Wall, the stock market debacle

of May 1962, the Cuban missile crisis, and now the death of the

President.

The fact that the economy surmounted these crises without

panic, without any major emergency measures, and with little apparent

effect on business activity could be taken as evidence of substantial

basic strength and equilibrium.

The final economic reaction to the

latest crisis was, of course, yet to develop but the initial reaction

of the financial markets tended to be reassuring.

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Before the events of November 22 the business picture was

distinctly encouraging, Mr. Wayne continued.

The increases in machine

tool orders, housing starts, production and sale of automobiles, and

personal income in October were outstanding.

Lesser but significant

advances were shown by orders for durable goods, industrial production,

With comparative stability in employment and

and total retail sales.

unemployment in October and no major development of an unfavorable

nature in October or the early part of November, Mr. Wayne said, this

all added up to a picture of considerable business strength with

moderate growth.

If recent events did not cause any significant change

in the trends, which seemed to be the best guess at present, then the

outlook was for continuing strength and some improvement in the near

future.

Mr. Wayne commented that the Commttee's current policy and

operating organization and procedures had been severely tested in the

past two weeks, and all of them had come through the crisis with a

highly creditable record.

In his judgment the System could appropri-

ately derive a modest but deep sense of accomplishment from this performance.

In particular, Mr. Wayne said, the domestic and foreign

Desks were to be commended for their alertness and their preparation

for all eventualities.

Before the crisis it had seemed to him that

the Committee's policy was an appropriate one in view of the circumstances.

The crisis apparently had caused no significant change in

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basic conditions, although such a change could develop later.

In the

meantime, any substantial change in monetary policy would be premature

and could be misinterpreted, coming so early in the new Administration

without any obvious justification.

Also, the Committee would meet

again in two weeks instead of the usual three and would then have a

little better perspective on recent events.

For these reasons, Mr.

Wayne said, he would favor a continuation of recent policy, meaning

by that the policy pursued week before last rather than last week.

He

believed, however, that in the current directive the Committee should

continue the authority to the Desk to take appropriate action to

cushion any

nsettlement which might arise from the recent crisis,

as was given in last week's special directive.

Mr. Wayne thought no

change in the discount rate seemed appropriate under present circumstances.

Mr. Mills said that in his opinion the purely seasonal

expansionary developments in the supply of reserves and in bank

credit that were now being experienced must be viewed in their true

character as superficial and temporary, and they should not be permitted to obscure more basic factors.

In his judgment, Mr. Mills

said, a correct appraisal of these factors called for a less

restrictive credit policy.

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-38Mr. Mills then presented the following statement:

The change in the Administration of the Federal Government is in itself a good reason for relaxing the cumulative

financial pressures resulting from a restrictive Federal

Reserve System credit policy and for relieving at the same

time the inevitable financial tensions that accompanied this

tragic episode in our history. However, the rationale arguing

for an easier policy goes beyond any connection with the

assassination of President Kennedy and was outlined to this

Committee in the comments I submitted both at its last regular

meeting and at the special "telephone" meeting.

The reported understanding reached with foreign officials

and governments that countervailing interest rate actions will

not be taken to lift their domestic levels of interest rates

significantly above those now prevailing in the United States,

gives tacit assurance that the current objective of Federal

Reserve System policy-making to mount an interest rate offensive against an outflow of gold and dollars can be modified.

Accordingly, long past due attention can now be paid to

domestic economic considerations without serious possibility

that a more liberal provision of reserves to the commercial

banking system will produce unwanted balance of payments repercussions in the field of competitive international interest

rates.

Under all of these circumstances, it is desirable to in.crease the supply of reserves at the disposal of the commercial

banking system so as to expand the aailability of credit and,

it so doing, also give a psychological stimulus to the financial

community at a critical time. If the adoption of an easier

credit policy should impair the efforts that have been made to

strengthen the nation's adverse balance of payments defenses,

I reiterate my previous statements to the Committee that recourse should be made to the imposition of selective controls

over short- and long-term capital movements out of the United

States, and that the Federal Reserve System should no longer

be compelled to serve as the chosen policy instrument to combat

our balance of payments difficulties in the various financial

areas in which it has been operating to that end.

Speaking on the subject of controls, official aversion to

the use of selective controls over capital movements abroad has

been evinced as being contrary to the principle of a free capital

market in the United States. Instead, an artificial interest

rate structure has been constructed, ostensibly to help preserve

that principle--all under the auspices of Federal Reserve System

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and U. S. Treasury policy-making officials. In my opinion,

a hard-handed control over interest rates and the U. S.

Government securities market, is a far more reprehensible

form of official financial control than the use of selective

controls over outward capital movements because it strikes a

blow at the very heart of a free financial market. I plead

once again for a policy return to free market principles in

the formulation and conduct of Federal Reserve System monetary

and credit policy, which policy should include the resurrection

of the 'bills only" policy of yesteryear.

Mr. Robertson made the following statement:

I have been deeply gratified by the way in which financial markets, both at home and abroad, have come through the

tragic shock of the President's assassination. I appreciate

that some part of that response is a credit to the well-timed

action of the Committee's operating officers, and I should

like to add my own note of commendation to them.

More broadly, I have been quite satisfied with financial developments

throughout the three weeks since our last

meeting. It seems to me there has been a little less tension

evident in the money market, and I think that is as it should

be. I think our own actions to supply reserves in timely

fashion have been a constructive force here--along with the

Treasury action to reduce pressure on the bill rate by cutting

two bill auctions and permitting payment by 50 per cent tax

and loan account credit for a third.

Recent bank loan expansion strikes me as an encouraging

sign--particularly so since it has been accompanied by an improvement in general business indicators, by a persisting rough

stability in wholesale and commodity price indexes, and by recent balance of payments figures that suggest we may be continuing, on a net basis, the sharply improved performance reported

for the third quarter.

In these circumstances I would favor supplying sufficient

reserves over the next two weeks to accommodate whatever may

materialize in the way of private demands for money and bank

loans. I think this is a particularly good rule to follow in

the next two or three weeks of climactic seasonal pressures,

for the exact dimensions of such demands cannot be forecast

precisely, and we only create needless disruption of financial

processes if we instigate counter pressures against what turn

out to be purely temporary or seasonal bulges in market demands.

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I would remind the Committee that both last year and

the year before we acted at the last meeting of the year to

tighten policy in the face of what appeared to be an upswing in credit demand, only to see the upswing abate after

the turn of the year. This time we should wait, to be sure

a similar pattern is not ahead of us this year, before trying to adapt our policy to what we assume 1964 will bring.

The policy I have in mind would not call for any change

in the committee directive, apart from dropping the phraseology concerning President Kennedy's death that was adopted

at the special telephone meeting last week.

Mr. Shepardson said that the general economic outlook seemed

to him to be encouraging.

The change in Government after the tragedy

had been accomplished with unusual calm.

At this season of the year

the Committee would expect to supply needed seasonal reserves, and

he thought that could be accomplished with existing policy.

As to the directive, Mr. Shepardscn said that the phrase regarding the death of President Kennedy conceivably could be eliminated.

On the other hand, only a short time had elapsed and with another meeting scheduled in two weeks he thought

directive as it was.

the Committee might leave the

He concurred in the guidelines suggested by

Mr. Ellis.

Mr. Mitchell said he agreed that this was not a time for the

Committee to make a change in its policy.

However, the question was

whether this implied no change in bill rates or in bank reserves.

The Treasury's monetary policy appeared to be aimed at a bill rate

peg, and this evidently was what the market expected the Committee's

policy to be.

While he did not think the Committee's policy had to

be the same as the Treasury's, it would be helpful if it were.

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-41Mr. Mitchell said he did not care much for the peg and he would

be happy to join with those people at the table who were prepared to let

the bill rate fluctuate, if they would take the same position in January

when the bil. rate would be tending downward.

This would be the most

wholesome position for the Committee to adopt, Mr. Mitchell said, but

he was practical enough to realize that the Committee could not get too

far away from the Treasury's policy.

Mr. Mitchell said he had a feeling of apprehension about the

projected role of monetary policy.

It seemed to him that everyone

agreed that it would be all right to cut taxes to achieve fuller

resource utilization, but there were quite a few people who thought

it improper to use monetary policy to this end.

Some members of the

Committee seemed ready to move towards credit restraint as soon as

there was evidence of growth, long before a satisfactory rate of

resource utilization had been achieved.

In Mr. Mitchell's judgment

the economy was not ready for a policy of restraint, and the Committee

should not use monetary policy to prevent the economy from achieving

the goal set for fiscal policy unless there was very strong reason

for doing so.

Mr. Hickman said his thought was that the tragedy of November

22 had not changed the economic outlook significantly, either domestically or internationally.

However, the reaction of consumers and

businessmen had been such that economic developments in November would

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be more difficult than usual to measure and appraise.

The unusual

holiday and some part-time operations immediately following the event

were likely to produce widely varying effects on statistical series,

depending upon the way in which the particular series was adjusted for

working days.

It would, therefore, be difficult for the Committee to

interpret information on current developments until well after the

turn of the year.

For this reason, Mr. Hickman said, it was all the more important for the Committee to turn back to the situation as it was revealed

in the data through mid-November.

On the basis of that evidence, the

present configuration of business was such that the main danger--to

the extent that there was one--stemmed not from feebleness of demand

but from developing exuberance.

The flow of business news showed

clearly that one after another of the areas of doubt or weakness had

simply melted away.

A good illustration was provided by manufacturers' new orders,

Mr. Hickman said.

The preliminary report for October for durable

goods showed further advance to the level of last April's position,

prior to the steel retrenchment.

Current orders for machine tools

were especially strong, particularly for cutting tools, which is the

major component of this series.

New orders of steel producers report-

ing directly to the Cleveland Federal Reserve Bank on a confidential

basis were more robust than had been anticipated just three weeks ago.

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-43Construction activity and housing starts provided additional

evidence of strength.

Housing starts in October were up 8 per cent

from September and 22 per cent from a year ago, an impressive showing

despite the well-known volatility of this series.

Retail sales pro-

vided still another instance of unusual strength.

Despite the un-

certainties of early Fall and the poor showing of department store

sales in October, the October figures for total retail sales reached

a new record, and reports for November prior to the national tragedy

were especially strong.

Even the Fourth District problem industry,

bituminous coal, had shown signs of increased activity in recent

Reports on corporate profits for both the second and third

months.

quarters were considerably stronger than in other recent calendar

quarters.

Soft spots in the economy were almost impossible to find

although high unemployment remained an unsolved problem.

In view of the solidity of the business expansion a tax cut

enactment could conceivably produce a reinforced stimulus, Mr. Hickman

said, which in turn could provide a serious problem of short-term

balance.

Such a possibility was by no means so remote as it seemed

a short time ago.

Mr. Hickman felt that because of the upward thrust of the

economy and the uncertainties of statistical measures monetary policy

would be most difficult to formulate over the next two months.

Clearly, no change was indicated at the mcment. he said, but the

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Comittee should be continuously alert to the possibility of moving

from its present position to one of outright restraint.

For the next

two weeks, Mr. Hickman continued, he would like to see the Federal

funds rate at 3-1/2 per cent all of the time, and the bill rate at

the same level or slightly higher.

He would prefer to achieve the

bill rate objective by a lower level of free reserves than had obtained

since the last meeting rather than by Treasury intervention in the

money market and Desk operations in the bond market.

To achieve this,

he judged that it might be necessary to allow free reserves to go

below $50 million, which would not be undesirable in view of general

business and bank loan demand.

The System should feel gratified

about the manner in which the recent potential crisis was handled by

those responsible for the management of its domestic and foreign

accounts, he concluded.

Mr. Bopp said that labor force measures for the Third

District recently had been performing somewhat better than other

indicators of economic activity.

Labor demand appeared to be hold-

ing at fairly satisfactory levels, but manufacturing output and

employment were not and sales at department stores were lagging badly.

Continuing tightness characterized Third District banking.

The basic reserve deficit of reserve city banks set a new recent-year

record; and in the week of November 20 borrowing by reserve city banks

reached the highest level of 1962 or 1963.

Country bank borrowing

since the last Committee meeting also had been on an uptrend.

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-45For the next three weeks, Mr. Bopp continued, policy should

be directed toward maintaining a tone of .teadiness and stability

in the money and credit markets and in the foreign exchange market.

The transition to a new Administration seemed to have been made

smoothly but had naturally resulted in some uncertainties as to future

He would supply reserves as necessary to meet seasonal demand

trends.

and to avoid any reduction in the availability of bank credit.

He

would suggest no change in the discount rate, and no change in the

directive except to delete the reference to the death of President

Kennedy.

Mr. Patterson reported that there apparently had been no letdown in the economic expansion nor in the growth of bank credit that

had been characteristic of the Sixth District during the preceding

months of 1953.

So far, there was little, if any, evidence that the

events connected with the President's assassination had altered the

existing economic trends.

Personal income for the firs' three quarters of 1963 in each

of the Sixth District States had increased at a greater rate from 1962

than that of the nation as a whole, according to estimates made by the

Atlanta Bank's Research Department.

The final income figures for the

year probably would show an even higher rate of increase for the year

1963 than the 7.4 per cent increase for the first three quarters in

1963 partly because of the especially favorable farm situation. In

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October and

ovember, cotton harvests were exceptionally large and

currently large harvests of corn, soybeans, and sugar cane were being

marketed at favorable prices.

Manufacturing activity also continued

to expand.

About the only factor offsetting these elements of income

growth had been a weakening in construction employment in certain

parts of the District.

In Mississippi, construction employment had

been falling for the past 6 months largely because of the completion

of a large oil refinery at Pascagoula whose construction had utilized

approximately 3,000 construction workers for about 2 years.

Although

production at the refinery, with a capacity to utilize 100,000 barrels

of crude oil per day from offshore Louisiana wells, began in October,

only 330 workers would be regularly employed.

Construction employment

also was weak in Florida, but there were increases in Louisiana and

Tennessee.

Against this background of expanding income, Mr. Patterson

said, consumer spending had been strong.

Automobile sales had been

at a record high, and this had been reflected in an expansion of

consumer instalment credit.

Bank credit, according to preliminary estimates, increased

more than seasonally through the first three weeks of November.

Total

deposits also expanded correspondingly, although most of the deposit

increase was concentrated in demand deposits.

Business loans at the

weekly reporting banks in leading cities increased substantially.

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-47Demand for nonbank credit also continued to be large.

For

example, well over $120 million in municipal securities were sold by

State and local governmental units during October.

The major part

of the securities were to finance public housing--45 per cent--and

for highway construction--25 per cent.

In an effort to determine the response of consumers and businessmen to the upsetting events of the preceding week, the Bank's

Research Department staff had made a spot survey late last week.

The responses indicated that there was little immediate effect that

could be discerned, but that uncertainty had been introduced into

the current economic and financial scene.

Department stores had, of course, experienced slow sales

over the week-end and automobile dealers had been adversely affected.

Sales, however, had rebounded by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Bankers

reported that business was being carried on as usual; loans in process Friday appeared to be going through, and there were no significant changes in deposit withdrawals that could be related to the

tragedy.

Mortgage bankers and savings and loan officials reported

no cancellation of mortgage plans, nor increased withdrawals.

Security dealers and brokers reported that the disturbances in the

securities market that started Friday seemed to be a signal for a

greater number of persons to try to enter the market when the exchanges were opened on Tuesday.

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-48The respondents, Mr. Patterson said, emphasized that valid

assessment of the long-run effects could rot be made now.

However,

some of them believed that long-run spending plans and credit demands

would be affected in the future.

Their inability to specify just

what these effects would be or how they would materialize suggested

that the uneasiness that existed could be dispelled fairly quickly

if economic conditions continued to be "normal."

On the other hand,

the replies suggested that there might develop a tendency to relate

future unfavorable economic developments to the assassination and

the subsequent events even when such relationship did not exist.

Mr. Shuford said that while the expansion in business activity

in the Eighth District had moderated this fall, the District had

experienced a substantial improvement over

the year as a whole.

Bank

debits had continued to rise since mid-summer, but employment and

industrial use of electric power had changed little.

Business loans at weekly reporting banks in the District had

risen 8 per cent more than seasonally since mid-year, Mr. Shuford

observed.

The largest net borrowers had been food processors and

commodity dealers seeking funds to finance the marketing and processing of the large crops this year.

Despite strong credit demands,

member bank reserve positions had remained comfortable.

Borrowings

from the Federal Reserve Bank had been relatively small and District

banks had been net sellers of Federal funds on most days.

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-49The Eighth District agricultural situation was good, and

crops were unusually large.

Recent estimates for major crops

pointed to a significant increase in farm income in the last part

of the year.

Corn production was estimated to be up 13 per cent,

soybeans 4 per cent, rice 14 per cent, tobacco 3 per cent, and cotton

13 per cent.

The marketings of these crops were already having an

expansionary impact on country bank deposits in the District.

With respect to policy, Mr. Shuford said he favored no change

for the reasons already mentioned by others.

In view of the recent

change in the Executive Branch, he agreed that at this time the Committee should maintain about the same position that had prevailed for

the last few weeks unless there was some strong reason for making a

change, and he saw no such reason.

He would subscribe to the views

of Mr. Irons and others with respect to continuing to supply seasonal

needs for reserves and with respect to a short-term rate fluctuating

around 3-1/2 per cent.

While he felt a bill rate at this level would

be appropriate, he would not be discouraged if it went up a bit above

3-1/2 per cent for a short period of time during the remainder of the

year in view of the seasonal situation.

By the same reasoning, he

would not be disturbed if the bill rate declined after the turn of

the year.

Mr. Shuford favored no change in policy and no change in

the discount rate.

He preferred to leave the directive as it was for

the next two weeks because he thought the Committee would have some

difficulty in trying to improve it.

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Mr. Balderston said that he would favor continuation of

current policy until the next meeting and would leave the directive

unchanged.

In trying to appraise the impact of the recent substantial

shift of demand deposits from the Treasury to the private sector, he

continued, he had become less disturbed about the current up-sweep in

the rate of increase of money supply growth.

To avoid being misled

by deposit shifts he had examined figures for the year 1963 to date.

The annual rate of growth in the money supply so far this year was

4 per cent, a substantial rate.

But personal incomes were up over 5

per cent, the industrial production index 6 per cent, and constant

price GNP 4 per cent.

Thinking about the near future, he recalled

that deposit turnover had risen 7.7 per cent, and average hourly

earnings had risen 3 per cent despite the nationwide concern with

keeping our economy competitive.

State and local government bond

sales were up 5 per cent, and seasonally adjusted housing starts had

risen by more than 20 per cent.

Mr. Balderston observed that he had found only one weakness-a drop in net realized income of farmers for the second year in a row,

this time of 5 per cent.

He suggested that after the turn of the year

the Committee would want to make a searching appraisal of what had

happened and what was likely to happen.

Chairman Martin said that he had little to add to the discussion.

He wanted to join in commending the foreign exchange and open

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market Desks for their performance in the period just past; it seemed

to him that the System had performed well, and he believed that this

was generally recognized.

Although he did not think the matter was of great importance,

the Chairman continued, he personally felt that it was not necessary

to delete the phrase relating to the death of the President from the

directive, particularly since only a short time had elapsed.

The Com-

mittee would meet again in two weeks and that might be a good time to

delete the phrase.

But he had no objection to doing so at this meet-

ing if that was the preference of the Committee.

On the broad question of policy, the Chairman said, he had

one comment to make with respect to the apprehensions that Mr. Mitchell

had expressed, namely, that those Committee members who were talking

about a firmer policy from time to time were not talking about restraining the economy but sustaining it.

There could, of course, be dis-

agreement on how to achieve this objective, but the problem was one

of possibly having too much credit available at various times.

The Chairman then suggested that the Committee vote on a

proposal that there should be no change in policy and no change in

the directive.

All members of the Committee except Mr. Mills indicated that

they favored no change in policy for the forthcoming two weeks.

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-52Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York was authorized ar.d directed,

until otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System

Account in accordance with the following

current economic policy directive:

It is the Federal Open Market Committee's current

policy to accommodate moderate growth in bank credit, while

maintaining conditions in the money market that would contribute to continued improvement in the capital account of

the U. S. balance of payments. This. policy takes into.consideration the fact that domestic economic activity is expanding further, although with a margin of underutilized

resources; and the fact that the balance of payments position

is still adverse despite a tendency to reduced deficits. It

also recognizes the increases in bank credit, money supply,

and the reserve base of recent months.

To implement this policy, System open market operations

shall be conducted with a view to cushioning any unsettlement

that might arise in money markets stemming from the death of

President Kennedy and to maintaining about the same conditions

in the money market as have prevailed in recent weeks, while

accommodating moderate expansion in aggregate bank reserves.

Votes for this action: Messrs. Martin,

Hayes, Balderston, Bopp, Clay, Irons, Mitchell,

Robertson, Scanlon, and Shepardson.

against this action:

Vote

Mr. Mills.

In connection with his favorable vote on the directive Mr.

Hayes observed that he agreed with the Chairman that while the matter

was not too important it was desirable to retain the phrase relating

to the President's death since the money and securities markets were

still in quite a sensitive condition.

12/3/63

-53Mr. Mills said he had dissented both on the consensus favor-

ing no policy change and on the directive for the reasons he had set

forth in his comments earlier in the meeting.

Reverting to the

Chairman's remarks about sustaining the economy, he observed that to

him this meant giving the economy sustenance by providing additional

reserves.

In response to a question by the Chairman, Mr. Stone indicated

that he did not think any change was necessary in the Committee's continuing authority directive with respect to the $1 billion limitation

on the change in the aggregate amount of U. S. Government securities

held in the System Open Market Account during any period between meetings of the Committee.

Chairman Martin noted that a request had been received from

Congressman Patman for lists of the names of individuals who had

attended the last three meetings of the Committee.

that this request should be complied with.

It was his view

He asked if there were

any objections to doing so, and no objections were expressed.

Mr. Mills said that in connection with this subject he would

like to note that a large number of persons attended Committee meetings.

He thought some might share his concern about such events as

the publication in Sylvia Porter's letter giving the hour and time of

the Open Market Committee's recent telephone meeting.

The Chairman

observed that Miss Porter had also reported another Committee meeting

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which had not actually been held, indicating that her information was

not completely accurate.

However, he continued, he shared Mr. Mills'

concern and he believed it behooved all of those present to be very

careful about what was said outside the room.

Chairman Martin then suggested that the Committee discuss possible publication of its minutes for some past period.

He noted that

a memorandum on this subject from Messrs. Young and Sherman, dated

September 28, 1963, had been distributed to the Committee.

He recog-

nized there were a great many conflicting points of view on this matter.

He would simply say at the outset that his own judgment had not changed;

he felt that if the Committee could find some suitable means of releasing the minutes for 1951-1960 it would be a worthwhile way of

making public information on how the Committee operated.

He realized

that releasing these minutes could make some problems for the Committee.

But the more he lived with this subject the more convinced he became

that a great many people misunderstood the nature and the conduct of

the Committee's meetings.

Publication of the minutes would not com-

pletely dispel such misunderstanding, but it would give a better basis

for understanding than was now available in published materials.

He

doubted that the minutes could get much public attention--the general

public probably would not be greatly interested.

But he felt it was

important to clarify the decision-making process of the Committee.

He

thought it should be made clear that consideration was given to many

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factors affecting monetary policy, and that this was not a one-man

operation, but that differing views were expressed and the decisions

taken were general decisions.

Making the minutes available seemed to

him the best way of giving insight into the conduct of the meetings

and into the detailed nature of the views expressed.

The Chairman commented that the particular dates for which

minutes were released did not seem to be a vital matter.

The 1951-

1960 period he had mentioned was important in the Committee's history

and embraced the Treasury-Federal Reserve Accord.

The year 1960 seemed

a good terminal point; the minutes for that year had already been made

available to the Joint Economic Committee.

Mr. Hayes said that he was reluctant to differ because he

thought the Chairman had a better feel than he for the reality of the

demand for this kind of information.

But the more he had thought about

the subject the more he had tended to feel that the Committee would do

well not to give the minutes out.

He was not quite sure why this

was

the time at which the Committee should do so; nothing had happened to

suggest the desirability of now changing past policy on the matter.

The Committee had given the 1960 minutes to a Congressional Committee,

but it also had objected to the publication of excerpts from these

minutes.

The point had been made that the public deserved more under-

standing of Federal Reserve operations.

He recognized the truth of

this statement, but he was not sure that publication of the minutes

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would be the most effective way of giving the desired understanding.

There were other mechanisms; more frequent statements of the nature

of policy, to his mind, would be more enlightening than making the

minutes publ.c.

He did not think the minutes would add a great deal

to what was already publicly known.

If the minutes were published, Mr, Hayes continued, he thought

it should be only with a considerable time lag.

He was concerned that

if publication was once started there would be agitation for reducing

the lag and a tendency to do so.

He thought there always would be

advocates for the Committee's releasing everything, including statements of actions on the day they were taken.

central bank could not operate that way.

But in his judgment a

It seemed to Mr. Hayes that

the principles still held that Chairman Martin had outlined in his

letter to Mr. Patman of last year, in which the Chairman had explained

why the Committee's internal deliberations were not matters of public

concern.

There were dangers of embarrassment, Mr. Hayes said, in connection with the Committee's discussions of dealings with central

banks abroad.

And there was the further question of whether the pos-

sibility of publication of the minutes might inhibit discussion at

meetings, although he was not too concerned on this score because he

had confidence in the integrity of the people around the table.

On

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balance, unless the Committee felt there was overwhelming political

pressure to make the minutes available, he leaned toward not publishing them.

Chairman Martin said that he would like to emphasize that

there had been no pressure on this subject.

The question of whether

this was an appropriate time to publish the minutes was within the

Committee's discretion; no commitments had been made.

Mr. Ellis said that he agreed the Committee should give more

rather than less information to scholars.

He was enthusiastically in

favor of making available more complete descriptions of policy, because

he thought there was a legitimate need for such descriptions by

scholars and others.

At the same time, he felt that scholars should

be provided with a complete rationale of the use of all policy instruments, including discount rate and reserve requirement changes as well

as oper market operations.

Because he had this objective in mind, he

thought. the Committee would do itself a disservice if it released Open

Market Committee minutes.

A true scholar would be frustrated by

omissions from these minutes of much of the complete policy record.

Also, publication of some past minutes would place the Federal Reserve

on the defensive with respect to such questions as why not publish the

minutes on a current basis, and why not publish the minutes of the

Board of Governors concerning other aspects of monetary policy.

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Prospect of publication might also raise questions within the Committee with respect to the amount of detail that should be included

in

the minutes.

Mr. Ellis thought the Committee might be deceiving itself if

it felt it could win supporters for the System by this means.

The

record would still be incomplete; potential defenders of the System

were apt to sit back, and attackers would find more ammunition to use

against the System.

In the long run, Mr. Ellis said, almost any written material

might appropriately become public information.

If the Committee

decided to publish the minutes he would urge a longer lag than 3

years.

He did not mean to be wholly negative on the issue; his intent

was to suggest that the Committee direct its efforts to the goal of

providing a more complete rationale of System policy actions.

Mr. Irons said that he had swung back and forth in his thinking on this subject.

He believed the Committee had to distinguish

between the submission of minutes to Congress and their general publication.

He suspected the Committee would have to submit its minutes

to Congress if the demand was pressed.

He thought there was a gradual

erosion in process with respect to supplying materials to critics.

Whatever they were given would leave them unhappy; if they were supplied with minutes after a 10-year lag they would want them with a

5-year lag, and so forth.

This gradual erosion of the central bank's

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position was going on in a lot of other areas and this should be

kept in mind.

If the Committee did publish the minutes, Mr. Irons continued,

they would not be a best seller.

The public generally was not in-

terested in this sort of reading material, and the minutes would have

only limited use.

If both Congress and the general public were ex-

cluded from consideration there would not be too many readers left,

except the group of academicians who like to pore through such material.

The question then was whether satisfaction of this group warranted

publication.

Even to a scholar the minutes would become pretty dull

after he had read them for a year or so.

Mr. Irons said he was not

being critical of the minutes, but those for successive meetings

inevitably involved a great deal of repetition.

Another problem was

that the minutes by no means reflected fully the work, thought, and

general preparation that lay behind them.

This raised the question

of whether supporting memoranda and other Committee materials should

be made publicly available to give a complete picture.

Publication

of the minutes was a first step that could lead to requests for other

policy record's, such as the minutes of the meetings of the Federal

Reserve Bank directors regarding discount rate actions, those of the

Board of Governors regarding approval of such actions, and so forth.

Mr. Irons said that he realized that he was being pretty

negative in his comments, and he wondered if there were alternatives

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to the release of Committee minutes.

For example, would it be pos-

sible to employ some capable person whose intellectual honesty was

unquestioned to author a set of volumes on the history of the Federal

Reserve System, giving him access to the minutes and other materials?

Choice of such a person would always be open to criticism, but the

possibility was worth giving some thought to.

If the Committee decided to release the minutes in some form

or other, Mr. Irons said, he would suggest doing so on a limited

basis.

Perhaps a copy or two could be put on the shelves of each

Federal Reserve Bank library for use of scholars.

the 1951-1960 period would be excellent.

For such a purpose

It represented a 10-year

period from the date of the Accord, and the gap from 1960 to date

was good.

ever.

He did not think that this would solve the problem, how-

The Committee undoubtedly would be criticized for not making

minutes for the last two years available.

Mr. Swan said that he was in substantial agreement with the

opinions already expressed.

He thought that reasonably current

explanations of policy and descriptions of the Committee's processes

and procedures were desirable goals, and he noted that some progress

towards them had already been made.

However, he doubted that publica-

tion of the minutes would help to accomplish those ends.

It would

put the Committee on the defensive because the minutes would be used

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primarily by System critics.

more current release.

There would be pressure for more and

In Mr. Swan's judgment 3-5 years was too short

a lag.

On the other hand, Mr. Swan said, there was a legitimate

question of whether such information was ever to be made available.

The System might want to face this question in terms of the possibility of releasing Open Market Committee and perhaps Board minutes on

suitable occasions with a very long time lag.

Surely, Mr. Swan said,

after a period as long as 20 to 25 years such records were strictly

historical documents.

It could thus be recognized that in due course

these materials would be made available to people with a legitimate

interest.

To go beyond such a procedure would create many more pro-

blems than it would solve.

However, the Committee should be consider-

ing doing something in terms of articles on a continuing basis.

Mr. Deming said that he had been thinking on the same lines

as Mr. Irons.

He felt that for a variety of reasons it would be well

to attempt to get some assistance in writing a System history.

It

should be possible to work out a procedure that would provide an

objective set of histories and under which the System would be protected against charges of self-interest.

Perhaps the professional

societies might be asked to select scholars for the work and foundations asked to provide funds.

The System could then make records

available to such scholars as were selected, up almost to a current

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date.

-62This would be a monumental and time-consuming task, Mr.

said, but it

might be broken down into separate economic,

Deming

political,

and social h:.stories of the System.

With respect to the minutes of the Open Market Committee and

other policy-making bodies of the System, Mr. Deming continued, rather

than publication he would favor their deposit in various places after

a time lag of a decade or more; at the present time he would suggest

a cut-off at 1950.

He saw no reason for the System to make its records

generally available all over the United States, but their deposit in

Federal Reserve libraries would be appropriate.

On the other hand,

he would give scholars designated to write a history access to all

materials almost up to the present.

He thought it was valid to say

that the great mass of people--including academicians--do not understand how the System functions but he also thought they would be

helped more by a series of histories than by such raw materials as

the minutes.

He had in mind very detailed histories, not works of

100 pages or so.

With respect to the distinction between making materials

available to the general public and to the Congress, Mr. Deming said,

he did not know whether the System was required to supply detailed

minutes of the Open Market Committee or the Board or other System

groups to Congress, but he hoped it was not, at least not without a

specific legislative change.

He thought the answer to this question

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was not clear, and the Committee should resist such submission as

long as it possibly could on all the grounds that had already been

mentioned.

He felt it was not a negative approach for the System to

keep its current minutes reasonably confidential but to throw open

its records to scholars competent to write System history.

Mr. Scanlon said he fully agreed that a better understanding

was needed of the Committee's operations and problems.

He also shared

Mr. Irons' view that the questions of responding to Congressional requests for the minutes and of making them publicly available were

separate.

Unlike Mr. Deming, he thought the Committee had no choice

with respect to meeting Congressional requests; it would have to make

the records available by some means if asked.

As to supplying in-

formation to the public, Mr. Scanlon said, he doubted that the

minutes as now prepared were a good vehicle for the purpose.

were incomplete in

wires,

and all

that they did not include the memoranda, the daily

of the other materials that the Committee considered

in preparing to make its decisions.

redundant to readers.

information

They

They also would appear highly

He would hope for a better vehicle for getting

to the public.

A history of the System might be useful,

or perhaps some kind of an annual report with a time lag of about 5

years.

He would be willing to give a little on the time lag.

If a

decision were made to release the minutes to the public, he would

favor limiting the distribution of copies to Federal Reserve Bank

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libraries and National Archives.

He did not think it would be desir-

able to spend a lot of money to make wide public distribution.

Mr. Clay expressed the view that publication of the minutes

as soon as 3 years after the meetings might well result in an unconscious speaking for the record by participants and would change the

nature of the meetings in an undesirable way.

He did not consider the

minutes a very good public relations document; it would be difficult

to get useful information from them regarding the nature of System

He thought that the Chairman's letter of last year tc

operations.

Mr. Patman gave very good reasons for withholding the minutes.

This

letter, in fact, was a better public relations document than the

minutes, because it portrayed an organization capable of withstanding pressure.

Such an organization was desired by everyone, what-

ever their policy views.

The

Longer the time lag before publication, Mr. Clay continued,

the less effect there would be on the nature of the meetings; but also

the greater would be the reduction in the public relations value of the

minutes.

If the Committee decided to publish the minutes, Mr. Clay

favored a limited edition with a lag of at least 5 years.

He thought

publication would best be at a time when there was no outside pressure

for it.

The present was a good time, since there was no pressure on

the Committee now.

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-65Mr. Wayne said that the Committee was a public body charged

with public responsibility, and accordingly, he thought that the

official records of its deliberations were properly viewed as public

documents.

He was not considering the matter in terms of public

relations at all; as historical documents the minutes should be made

available to competent historians.

He was prepared to concede the

desirability of a time lag in publication, and recognized that there

would be pressure to reduce the lag.

Some might even argue that the

Committee should release its minutes on a current basis.

But he did

not believe this was the sort of thing the Committee was dealing with.

The question before the Committee was whether or not it could work

out some method of making documents of historical value available to

competent historians with an appropriate time lag.

He thought the

Committee could rationalize the 10-year time period.

It seemed to

him that the minutes should be made available at the National Archives,

the repository for national historical documents.

He added that he

found much merit in the suggestion that the Committee attempt to find

a competent historian to prepare a System history.

Mr. Wayne continued by remarking that he had recently reviewed

back minutes of the Committee and had not found them entirely dull from

the standpoint of economic history.

Nor had he found anything of which

the Committee need be ashamed; the minutes spoke of careful, competent

deliberations.

He believed they should be made available to competent

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scholars.

Microfilming was not expensive; microfilm copies might be

placed in the National Archives and in the libraries of the Board, the

Federal Reserve Banks, and the greater universities.

As to the time lag, Mr. Wayne said, he thought it would take

very close to a 5-year lag if members were to avoid any tendency to

record.

speak for the

He also considered this lag appropriate in

light of the fact that the Administration changed every 4 years.

A

lag of 3 years seemed to him the minimum, and he would prefer 5 years.

Mr. Mills said that he agreed in every respect with the position

Chairman Martin had taken.

He thought the Committee should publish the

minutes for the period 1951-60.

For those who were fearful of criticism

but at the same time would be willing to produce the minutes at the request of Congress, he would point out that the only occasions that Congress had to request the minutes stemmed from criticisms of System

policy, so the Committee was just fostering the criticism.

Publication

of the full minutes would, in his view, serve as an antidote to

criticism and would win adherents to offset the critics.

Mr. Robertson said he found himself in accord with Mr. Wayne.

The Federal Reserve System was a Governmental institution and a servant

of the public.

inspection.

As such, its records should be made available for public

He would prefer not to publish the minutes in book form,

but to make them available on a limited basis in Federal Reserve libraries and at National Archives and in microfilm form at some universities.

He also would make available the minutes of Board actions but

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only with a substantial time lag, because Board minutes often dealt

with specific institutions.

For minutes of the Open Market Committee,

a 5-10 year lag would be appropriate,

and a 5 year lag probably was

adequate.

Mr. Robertson said he had no objection to an extension of the

"article" approach, but he considered it unwise for the Federal Reserve

to attempt to select a historian to write a history from the System's

point of view.

It was difficult to learn enough about any individual

to know whether his ideas coincided with the System's viewpoints, and

in any event historians should be objective and write history as they

see it--rather than as we would direct or desire.

As to the span of

the history, it would be desirable to start from the beginning of the

System and come up to whatever lag period the Committee decided was

appropriate.

Mr. Shepardson said that as a public body the Committee's

actions were appropriate for the public record after such time lapse

as might be considered necessary.

But there was a question in his

mind as to whether the "records" necessarily included all the internal

documents used in arriving at a conclusion.

The idea of a quarterly

report had some merit, but he was doubtful whether public records

should necessarily include all of the internal discussion reflected

in the minutes.

For that reason, Mr. Shepardson said, he had not been

particularly enthusiastic about publication of the minutes.

On the

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other hand, the point had been made that the Committee had been called

upon to submit the minutes to Congress.

Whether or not Congress could

appropriately demand the minutes might be a consideration.

He doubted

that it lacked the authority to do so, and if this view was correct it

provided an argument for making the minutes available to other people

by placing them in a repository open to anyone interested.

Mr. Shepardson said that he was cynical enough to expect that

the greatest use of the minutes would be made by those who were trying

to pick out something for their own particular purposes.

both sides--defenders and attackers--might do that.

People on

At least there

would be an opportunity for those interested in defending the System

to do so, although he doubted that it.would work out that way.

He

agreed with the suggestion that the System should try to get, through

arms-length selection, someone who would write an objective history-hopefully one that would be more readable and more useful than the

minutes themselves.

Altogether, Mr. Shepardson said, while he did not generally

like the idea of putting out the Committee minutes as a public document-and he thought the minutes of the Board had to be considered along with

those of the Committee--perhaps it could not be avoided.

It might be

best done by making the minutes available at appropriate reference

centers.

As to the time lag, 5 years might be a good principle.

A

3-year lag was implied in the suggestion that the minutes be published

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for the 1951-60 period.

However, if the Committee should now decide

to publish the minutes for this period, another year probably would

pass before they were ready for release.

In a final comment, Mr.

Shepardson said he agreed with Mr. Clay that if the Committee was

going to publish its minutes it would be better to do so when it was

not under pressure rather than act in response to pressure.

Mr. Mitchell said that if the matter came to a vote he would

not vote against making the minutes available.

Nevertheless, he

questioned whether this was the best course of action.

He thought

it a mistake to believe that the minutes could be confined to the

hands of objective, competent scholars, and he did not shrink particularly from putting -the minutes in the hands of hostile critics.

While he was prepared to release the minutes on any basis

agreeable to others, Mr. Mitchell continued,

he thought publication

of past minutes would not meet the real issue.

He had thought quite

a bit about the matter and had come to the conclusion that it would

be desi able to make available a digest of the minutes every 3 months.

Such a digest was the real solution to the problem of telling people

what the Committee was doing.

If it were well and responsibly pre-

pared it would conceal nothing of relevance; it would reflect the

different points of view expressed and the personalities of the various

participants.

It also would be a much more polished document than

were the minutes.

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Mr. Hickman said he would go along with those who favored

publishing the minutes as a whole rather than attempting to have

them digested by an unbiased scholar.

Such a person would be dif-

ficult to find; everyone had certain predilections and feelings in

these matters.

He recently had reviewed the record and thought it

a good document which spoke for itself.

In his judgment putting out

the minutes for 1951-60 would not be a disservice to the System, and

would be preferable to having the so-called unbiased work done.

If

the document was deposited in public libraries in microfilm form, it

would give the unbiased student some idea of how policy was formulated

in the System.

It would give him a feeling of democracy at work with

all points of view represented; and would demonstrate that the Committee was not a group of people representing the moneyed interests.

Publication of minutes, Mr. Hickman continued, also would help

students focus on some of the real problems of monetary policy, such

as the problem of appropriate target variables.

to do

Students would tend

asearch on positive problems, and the Committee might get some

constructive help.

With respect to the time period to be covered, Mr.

Hickman favored publishing the minutes through the year 1960.

Mr. Bopp said that as one who had spent some 10 years doing

research on the System before entering its service he had great

sympathy with the proposal to publish the minutes.

At the same time,

he agreed with an observation contained in a memorandum that had been

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prepared for Mr. Deming, to the effect that bad books can be turned

out more quickly than good ones.

This lee him to feel that it would

be desirable for the System to get foundation money to finance a

System history.

He recalled that the Rockefeller Foundation had once

provided funds for such a study, but the only product had been

Professor Chandler's book on Benjamin Strong.

Mr. Bopp thought it would be desirable to have a competent

scholar--perhaps one selected by a committee of the American Economic

Association--write a System history.

If this could be done, he said,

he would make the minutes available subsequent to publication of the

history.

As to the time lag, it seemed to him that it should be on

the order of a decade, although he realized that the whole character

of the Federal Open Market Committee was now changed and that policy

was no longer formulated as it was years ago.

In addition, it seemed

to him that the Committee had made significant progress in providing

information in such forms as the Bulletin articles by Mr. Coombs

describing the System's foreign currency operations and by Mr. Stone

reviewing open market operations in 1962.

These were excellent works

and it would be desirable in the future to have similar reports on a

semiannual basis. Possibly the Committee could have a quarterly review

of policy published in the Bulletin with a 3-month lag.

He was generally

in favor of publishing the minutes but he did have some concern about

the hazards of making them available to anyone; the initial reactions

were apt to be critical.

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Mr. Patterson reported his belief that Mr. Bryan still subscribed to his statement of April 1962 in favor of publishing the

minutes with a time lag of 5 years.

Mr. Shuford said that he concurred in the view that records

should be made publicly available insofar as practicable, because

the Committee was a public institution.

there were limitations.

But it seemed to him that

For one, the effect of publication on the

nature of the meetings and on the nature of the record had to be taken

into consideration.

tion would be.

There also was a question of how current publica-

Thirdly, there were statutory provisions that the Com-

mittee should consider with respect to the release of its records.

Although the Committee was a public body, Mr. Shuford said, he considered the Chairman's letter to Mr. Patman a good statement on why

its minutes should not be released.

He doubted that publication of

the minutes would accomplish the intended purpose or that it would

satisfy all those interested in the Committee's work.

As far as the

general public was concerned he thought there would be little interest

in, or public relations value to, the minutes.

As far as others were

concerned, the Committee would be faced with a problem of the lag; it

would be argued that if the records should be made available because

the Committee was a public body, they should be made available as soon

as possible.

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-73Mr. Shuford commented that he was not disturbed by the con-

tents of the minutes, which in his judgment reflected supportable

views.

But if they were published with any lag the Committee would

always be subjected to criticism by some who would want something

more--more recent minutes, more materials on matters discussed in

executive session, perhaps verbatim transcripts.

Taking this step

would not answer all questions.

Reverting to the question of statutes, Mr. Shuford noted that

the Committee had made much material available that was not required

by statute, and it could do the same with its minutes.

However, the

statute did specify the means for the Committee to supply information

on its operations to the Congress and the public:

Report of the Board of Governors.

through the Annual

It seemed preferable to him to

move through such channels rather than to take some other voluntary

He liked Mr. Deming's suggestion for having System histories

action.

prepared,

and did not think the ends that would be served by such

histories would be accomplished by making the minutes available.

In

his judgment there was a considerable amount of similarity between

the Committee and other groups, such as the courts, that met in

executive session.

He noted that the courts published only their

decisions and regarded their deliberations as intramural.

Mr. Balderston said that, as he had observed in earlier discussions of this matter, te thought it was unfortunate that when the

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Committee turned over its 1960 minutes to a Committee of Congress,

the latter Committee then hired a pair of scholars of its own choosing to prepare a digest.

He was happy that so far the Congressional

Committee had not published that digest.

He favored publishing the

minutes as suggested initially by the Chairman, for the reasons given

by Messrs. Wayne, Mills, and Robertson.

But he had been impressed

with the argument of Messrs. Deming and Bopp that if the Committee

was to publish the minutes it should give a running start to a

scholar who, if not of the Committee's selection, would at least be

selected from a list that the Committee had approved.

On this plan,

an instructive document would be available to the public at about the time

the minutes were placed on the shelves of Federal Reserve Bank and

other selected libraries.

He suggested that the Committee act today,

first to authorize the Secretary to proceed with the reproduction of

a moderate number of copies of minutes for 1951-1960, inclusive, and

secondly to implement Mr. Deming's suggestion.

He was not sure that

it was necessary for the funds to come from a foundation but he agreed

that the selection of the scholar should not be made by the Federal

Reserve alone.

Mr. Balderston continued by observing that he was sensitive

to the fact that since 1960 the Committee had moved into new areas.

Specifically, Mr. Coombs' reports often referred to other nation's

problems.

While it was proper that this information should be revealed

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to the Committee, he would hope that if at some future time the

minutes for last year and this year were made public all references

to other nations would be excluded.

Chairman Martin said that in his opinion the Committee had

had a useful discussion on the matter of publishing the minutes.

However, he did not think that putting the question to a vote at this

time would solve the problem.

He thought everyone ought to continue

to study the question; much depended on the particular methods of

releasing information that individuals had in mind.

He proposed that

the Committee request Messrs. Sherman and Young to make a summary of

today's discussion on the basis of the minutes, and that the Committee

take up the matter again early in the new year.

Mr. Swan noted that most of the dicussion had centered around

the minutes for 1951-1960.

If the Committee released these minutes on

any basis, he said, it immediately would be faced with legitimate

requests for records going back to 1914.

Chairman Martin said that

this was true, but he doubted that anyone would feel strongly that

information for the earlier years of the System should be withheld.

Mr. Shepardson suggested that the Committee ask the Secretary

to explore the possibility of obtaining the services of a writer to

prepare a System history.

Mr. Hayes commented that this suggestion seemed to prejudge

the issue.

He did not feel there had been any agreement at this

meeting on a course of procedure.

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Chairman Martin expressed the view that the Committee should

continue to explore the matter.

He noted that for years there had

been discussions of the possibility of having a System history prepared.

Also, the Committee previously had considered publication of

the minutes, and from time to time had been under pressure to release

materials.

He considered the position taken in his letter to Mr.

Patman to be valid, and he thought that the Committee could hold to

But in one way or another the Committee

that position if it so chose.

had to come to grips with the fact that its decision-making process-which in his opinion was a good one--was not sufficiently understood.

This was the basic problem.

He did not think this sort of problem

should be resolved unless the Committee was virtually unanimous.

Accordingly, he would propose that the matter be held over for further

consideration.

Mr. Shepardson said that he had suggested some investigation

of the possibility of having a history written not with the idea of

action but in order that a report could be presented for discussion

before a decision was taken on release of the minutes.

The Chairman concurred in the proposal that this question be

explored.

Mr. Young said that he could discuss the matter with the

Presidents of the two main foundations and with the President of the

American Economic Association.

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-77It was agreed that the next meeting of the Federal Open

Market Committee would be held on December 17, 1963.

The meeting then adjourned.

Secretary

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1963, December 2). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19631203
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  month = {Dec},
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