fomc minutes · March 1, 1965

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in the

offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in

Washington, D. C., on Tuesday, March 2, 1965, at 9:30 a.m.

PRESENT:

Mr. Martin, Chairman

Mr. Hayes, Vice Chairman

Mr. Balderston

Mr. Bryan

Mr. Daane

Mr. Ellis

Mr. Mitchell

Mr. Robertson 1/

Mr. Scanlon

Mr. Shepardson

Mr. Clay, Alternate for President of Minneapolis Bank

Messrs. Bopp, Hichman, and Irons, Alternate Members

of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Wayne, Shufcrd, and Swan, Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of Richmond, St. Louis,

and San Francisco, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Noyes, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Brill, Garvy, Holland, Koch,

and Taylor, Associate Economists

Mr. Stone, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open Market

Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Farrell, Director, Division of Bank Operations,

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Messrs. Partee and Williams, Advisers, Division

of Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Reynolds, Associate Adviser, Division of

International Finance, Board of Governors

Entered the meeting at the point indicated.

Left the meeting at the point indicated.

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Mr. Axilrod, Chief, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board

of Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

Miss Roberts, Secretary, Office of the Secretary,

Board of Governors

Mr. Strothman, First Vice President of the

Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis

Messrs. Eisenmenger, Eastburn, Mann, Ratchford,

Parsons, Tow, Doll, and Green, Vice Presidents

of the Federal Reserve Banks of Boston,

Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond, Minneapolis,

Kansas City, Kansas City, and Dallas,

respectively

Mr. Lynn, Director of Research, Federal Reserve

Bank of San Francisco

Mr. Bowsher, Assistant Vice President of the

Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis

Mr. Meek, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

In the agenda for this meeting, the Secretary reported that

advices had been received of the election by the Federal Reserve Banks

of members and alternate members of the Federal Open Market Committee

for the term of one year beginning March 1, 1965, and it appeared that

such persons would be legally qualified to serve after they had executed

their oaths of office.

The elected members and alternates were as follows:

George H. Ellis, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston,

with Karl R. Bopp, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of

Philadelphia, as alternate;

Alfred Hayes, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,

with William F. Treiber, First Vice President of the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York, as alternate;

Malcolm Bryan, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta,

with Watrous H. Irons, President of the Federal Reserve Bank

of Dallas, as alternate;

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Charles J. Scanlon, President of the Federal Reserve Bank of

Chicago, with W. Braddock Hickman, President of the Federal

Reserve Bank of Cleveland, as alternate;

The person who is on March 1, 1965, or who shall thereafter

become, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of

Minneapolis, with George H. Clay, President of the Federal

Reserve Bank of Kansas City, as alternate.

At the time of this meeting no person had as yet been named

President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis.

All other elected

members and alternates had now executed their oaths of office.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the following of

ficers of the Federal Open Market Committee

were elected to serve until the election of

their successors at the first meeting of the

Committee after February 28, 1966, with the

understanding that in the event of the dis

continuance of their official connection with

the Board of Governors or with a Federal

Reserve Bank, as the case might be, they

would cease to have any official connection

with the Federal Open Market Committee:

Wm. McC. Martin, Jr.

Alfred Hayes

Ralph A. Young

Merritt Sherman

Kenneth A. Kenyon

Arthur L. Broida

Howard H. Hackley

David B. Hexter

Guy E. Noyes

Ernest T. Baughman, Daniel H. Brill,

George Garvy, Robert C. Holland,

Albert R. Koch, Charles T. Taylor,

and Parker B. Willis

Chairman

Vice Chairman

Secretary

Assistant Secretary

Assistant Secretary

Assistant Secretary

General Counsel

Assistant General Counsel

Economist

Associate Economists

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the Federal Reserve

Bank of New York was selected to execute

transactions for the System Open Market

Account until the adjournment of the first

meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee

after February 28, 1966.

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Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, Robert W. Stone and Charles

A. Coombs were selected to serve at the pleasure

of the Federal Open Market Committee as Manager

of the System Open Market Account and as Special

Manager for foreign currency operations for such

Account, respectively, it being understood that

their selection was subject to their being

satisfactory to the Board of Directors of the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Secretary's note:

Advice subsequently

was received that Messrs. Stone and Coombs

were satisfactory to the Board of Directors

of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for

service in the respective capacities indicated.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the minutes of the meeting

of the Federal Open Market Committee held on

February 2, 1965, were approved

Consideration then was given to the continuing authorizations

of the Committee, according to the customary practice of reviewing such

matters at the first meeting in March of each year, and the actions

set forth hereinafter were taken.

Chairman Martin noted that a memorandum from Mr. Stone had

been distributed to the Committee proposing certain revisions in the

continuing authority directive regarding transactions in U.S. Govern

ment securities and bankers' acceptances, and he invited Mr. Stone

to comment.

(A copy of this memorandum, dated February 17, 1965, and

entitled "Maturity limitation on repurchase agreements during Treasury

refundings," has been placed in the files of the Committee.)

Mr. Stone said that his memorandum outlined a technical problem

the Account Management often encountered during Treasury financing

operations, particularly advance refundings, because of the 24-month

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maturity limit on Government securities that might be held under repur

chase agreements specified in Section 1(c) of the continuing authority

directive.

As indicated in the memorandum, this limit at times had

caused the Management to terminate repurchase agreements against "rights"

in refundings the day after the subscription books closed and several days

before settlement.

The rights in question were those that dealers had

committed for exchange for new securities of longer than two years to

maturity.

These terminations often were burdensome to the market and

inconvenient to the System.

He recommended a revision of the directive

that would make them unnecessary, in order to maximize the effectiveness

of operations during periods when Treasury refundings were in process.

From the dealers' standpoint, the change would mean that the "rights"

turned in for exchange could be carried to the settlement date of the

financing if the Desk chose to make agreements running that long.

The

simplest procedure would be to eliminate the maturity limit on Govern

ment securities held under repurchase agreements altogether.

Alternatively,

the limit coulc be waived during Treasury refundings and retained at other

times.

In either case repurchase agreements would continue to be made for

a maximum of 15 days.

Mr. Mitchell said he had no objection to the alternative procedure

Mr. Stone had mentioned but he would not favor removing the maturity limit

entirely.

In his judgment the latter action might encourage dealers to

hold larger amounts of longer-term securities and to speculate in them,

thereby hampering operations of the Committee.

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Mr. Stone said that there might be occasions when a considerable

part of the dealers' financing needs were concentrated in longer-term

securities.

But whether the Desk would help finance those holdings

would depend strictly on the reserve situation at the time; the Desk

would not make repurchase agreements against the securities in question

if there was no need to provide reserves.

Mr. Daane agreed that it was desirable to avoid recurrences

of the situation in which it was necessary to terminate repurchase

agreements at inconvenient times.

But he shared Mr. Mitchell's

reluctance co remove the maturity limit entirely, even though the

Desk would retain discretion with respect to whether to enter into

particular agreements.

He asked whether it would be feasible to take

the more limited step of authorizing repurchase agreements only against

rights turned in for longer-term securities which dealers had already

sold on a when-issued basis.

Mr. Stone replied that such a procedure was a possibility.

He would not recommend it, however, because it would require policing

operations by the Account Management of a kind that he would not consider

desirable.

Mr. Bryan said he also favored the alternative Mr. Stone had

mentioned of removing the maturity limit only during the periods of

Treasury refunding operations.

In response to Mr. Hayes' request that the Manager clarify his

recommendation, Mr. Stone said that in the memorandum he had recommended

removal of the maturity limit entirely.

But he had never found the

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limit to disadvantage operations except at times of Treasury financings.

Accordingly, he thought the alternative to which Mr. Bryan had referred

would solve the problem.

Mr. Hayes said he would register a mild dissent.

As a practical

matter he agreed that the alternative would meet the problem Mr. Stone

had described, but he did not think any purpose would be served by

retaining the maturity limit for periods when refundings were not in

process.

He could not believe that removing the limit entirely would

have any significant effect on dealers' willingness to hold longer-term

securities in their portfolios.

Thus, he would prefer the broader

authority.

Chairman Martin commented that, in view of the questions that

had been raised about the desirability of removing completely the

maturity limit on Government securities held under repurchase agreements,

it might be desirable for the Committee to vote on a continuing authority

directive amended in line with the alternative suggestion of removing

this limit only during periods in which a Treasury refunding was in process.

Mr. Mitchell then said he would like to raise another question

with respect to the directive under discussion, concerning Section 1(b)

which authorized transactions in bankers' acceptances.

His question

was whether it would be appropriate to let the System's inventory run

down by reducing holdings of the types of acceptances that the System

was trying to discourage under the voluntary foreign credit restraint

program.

He had heard that as much as one-third of all U.S. bankers'

acceptances financed third-country trade.

In this connection he thought

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it would be desirable at some point for Mr. Stone to report to the

Committee on the nature of the bankers' acceptances held by the

System Account.

Mr. Hayes commented that he was not sure about the present

status of the draft guidelines for the voluntary credit restraint

program, but he did not think there would be a general ban on financing

third-country trade.

By far the largest part of such trade financed by

U.S. bank acceptances involved Japan, and as he understood the arrange

ments worked out on a Governmental level, it was agreed that the total

amount of U.S. bank credit to Japan would be kept roughly at present

levels.

In his judgment it would be unwise for the System to begin

making distinctions in its acceptance operations that would not be

reflected in the guidelines.

Mr. Mitchell said that he did not think the System should take

acceptances off the hands of banks if that would free funds for the

banks to use in extending other foreign credits.

The System's portfolio

of acceptances should be going down; it should be buying a minimum

number, reducing its purchases of those given a low priority under the

program.

Having launched a voluntary restraint program, the System

should make sure its own actions were consistent with what it was asking

others to do.

Mr. Hayes remarked that the amounts involved were quite small;

the dollar maximum of System holdings of acceptances specified in the

directive was $125 million, and actual holdings usually were less than

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that.

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While the principle Mr. Mitchell had expressed was a good one,

he questioned whether it was workable.

Mr. Mitchell commented that it should be workable if detailed

information was available on the make-up of the System's portfolio of

bankers' acceptances.

Mr. Stone observed that he could arrange to have

an inventory of the portfolio prepared.

Mr. Scanlon noted that when the Committee had authorized an

increase in the dollar limit on System holdings of acceptances on

November 10, 1964, it had agreed that it would reassess its participa

tion in the bankers' acceptance market at the time of this annual

organization meeting.

Chairman Martin indicated that the annual meeting was an

appropriate time to discuss this matter.

Mr. Shepardson said that in the earlier discussion, as he

recalled it, it had been noted that the Committee originally had

authorized operations in acceptances to help re-establish the market

for this type of instrument.

But there had been a significant expansion

of the acceptance market in recent years.

This raised the questions of

whether the Committee's objectives had been accomplished, and, if so,

whether any purpose would be served by its continued participation in

the acceptance market.

Chairman Martin said he questioned whether the Committee's goals

had been fully accomplished.

He asked whether Mr. Stone would like to

comment on this general subject.

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-10Mr. Stone observed that this market was capable of still

further growth.

The Committee's efforts to encourage its development

had been eminently successful; it had grown to a point at which it was

contributing significantly to U.S. foreign trade.

Moreover, the market

now could provide a highly useful supplement to the Government securities

market in open market operations.

As a result of the balance of payments

problem the System now was operating in ways that no one had contemplated

seven or eight years ago, and it was drawing on all available resources.

The acceptance market had now become such a resource; by buying accept

ances it was possible to supply substantial amounts of reserves at times

without putting downward pressure on short-term bill rates.

Furthermore, Mr. Stone said, under the terms of the Federal

Reserve Act and several Board regulations, the System was concerned

with the field of bankers' acceptances.

By dealing in acceptances and

holding them in portfolio, the Account Management kept continuously

before it a view of what was going on in the field.

This continuing

surveillance of the market was important in determining whether acceptance

financing was in accordance with the statute and with Board regulations.

In his judgment it was highly desirable for the Committee to continue

to participate in the acceptance market.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the Committee's policy with respect

to the acceptance market had been developed at a time when the United

States had a large surplus in its international payments.

But now

that the nation had a deficit he doubted whether it was desirable to

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continue to encourage the development of the market if such actions

contributed to the volume of capital outflows.

What was necessary,

he thought, was an analysis of the characteristics of the System's

portfolio of acceptances.

Mr. Daane observed that such an analysis would be useful.

On

the whole, however, he was inclined to agree with Mr. Stone; he thought

the acceptance market promoted U.S. foreign trade, and that one should

not consider it simply in terms of its effects on capital flows.

Mr. Hayes thought that Mr. Mitchell's argument was based on

an overly short-run view of the acceptance market.

In his (Mr. Hayes')

opinion, its development was highly desirable from a longer-run stand

point.

The market would be affected by the voluntary restraint program,

but he did not think the Committee should stop participating in it

and thereby diminish the vitality of an instrument that had proved to

be generally useful over the years.

Chairman Martin said he doubted whether the Committee should

act today to change the nature of its operations in the bankers' accept

ance market; further study was required.

He suggested that Mr. Stone be

asked to prepare a memorandum on the System's portfolio of acceptances,

and that the Committee plan to discuss the matter further at its next

meeting.

There were no objections to this suggestion.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

was authorized and directed, until

otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System

Open Market Account in accordance with

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-12the following continuing authority

directive relating to transactions in

U.S. Government securities and bankers'

acceptances:

1. The Federal Open Market Committee authorizes and

directs the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to the extent

necessary to carry out the most recent current economic

policy directive adopted at a meeting of the Committee:

(a) To buy or sell U.S. Government securities in

the open market, from or to Government securities

dealers and foreign and international accounts maintained

at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, on a cash,

regular, or deferred delivery basis, for the System

Open Market Account at market prices and, for such

Account, to exchange maturing U.S. Government securities

with the Treasury or allow them to mature without

replacement; provided that the aggregate amount of such

securities held in such Account at the close of business

on the day of a meeting of the Committee at which action

is taken with respect to a current economic policy

directive shall not be increased or decreased by more

than $1.5 billion during the period commencing with the

opening of business on the day following such meeting

and ending with the close of business on the day of

the next such meeting;

(b) To buy or sell prime bankers' acceptances of

the kinds designated in the Regulation of the Federal

Open Market Committee in the open market, from or to

acceptance dealers and foreign accounts maintained at

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, on a cash,

regular, or deferred delivery basis, for the account

of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York at market

discount rates; provided that the aggregate amount

of bankers' acceptances held at any one time shall

not exceed $125 million or 10 per cent of the total

of bankers' acceptances outstanding as shown in the

most recent acceptance survey conducted by the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York;

(c) To buy U.S. Government securities with

maturities as indicated below, and prime bankers'

acceptances with maturities of 6 months or less at

the time of purchase, from nonbank dealers for the

account of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York under

agreements for repurchase of such securities or

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-13acceptances in 15 calendar days or less, at rates not

less than (1) the discount rate of the Federal Reserve

Bank of New York at the time such agreement is entered

into, or (2) the average issuing rate on the most

recent issue of 3-month Treasury tills, whichever is

the lower; provided that in the event Government

securities covered by any such agreement are not

repurchased by the dealer pursuant to the agreement

or a renewal thereof, they shall be sold in the market

or transferred to the System Open Market Account; and

prov:ded further that in the event bankers' acceptances

covered by any such agreement are not repurchased by

the seller, they shall continue to be held by the

Federal Reserve Bank or shall be sold in the open

market. U.S. Government securities bought under the

provisions of this section shall have maturities of

24 months or less at the time of purchase, except that,

during any period beginning with the day after the

Treasury has announced a refunding operation and

ending on the day designated as the settlement date

for the exchange, the U.S. Government securities bought

may be of any maturity.

2. The Federal Open Market Committee authorizes and

directs the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to purchase

directly from the Treasury for the account of the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York (with discretion, in cases where

it seems desirable, to issue participations to one or more

Federal Reserve Banks) such amounts of special short-term

certificates or indebtedness as may be necessary from time

to time for the temporary accommodation of the Treasury;

provided that the rate charged on such certificates shall

be a rate 1/4 of 1 per cent below the d.scount rate of the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York at the time of such purchases,

and provided further that the total amount of such certificates

held at any one time by the Federal Reserve Banks shall not

exceed $500 million.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the Authorization

Regarding Open Market Transactions in

Foreign Currencies, as reaffirmed March 3,

1964, was reaffirmed:

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AUTHORIZATION REGARDING OPEN MARKET TRANSACTIONS IN

FOREIGN CURRENCIES

Pursuant to Section 12A of the Federal Reserve Act

and in accordance with Section 214.5 of Regulation N (as

amended) of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve

System, the Federal Open Market Committee takes the following

action governing open market operations incident to the

opening and maintenance by the Federal Reserve Bank of New

York (hereafter sometimes referred to as the New York Bank)

of accounts with foreign central banks.

I. Role of Federal Reserve Bank of New York

The New York Bank shall execute all transactions

pursuant to this authorization (hereafter sometimes referred

to as transactions in foreign currencies) for the System Open

Market Account, as defined in the Regulation of the Federal

Open Market Committee.

II.

Basic Purposes of Operations

The basic purposes of System operations in and

holdings of foreign currencies are:

(1) To help safeguard the velue of the dollar in

international exchange markets;

(2) To aid in making the existing system of inter

national payments more efficient and in

avoiding disorderly conditions in exchange

markets;

(3) To further monetary cooperation with central

banks of other countries maintaining convertible

currencies, with the International Monetary

Fund, and with other international payments

institutions;

(4) Together with these banks and institutions, to

help moderate temporary imbalances in inter

national payments that may adversely affect

monetary reserve positions; and

(5) In the long run, to make possible growth in the

liquid assets available to international money

markets in accordance with the needs of an

expanding world economy.

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III.

Specific Aims of Operations

Within the basic purposes set forth in Section II,

the transactions shall be conducted with a view to the following

specific aims:

(1)

To offset or compensate, when appropriate, the

effects on U.S. gold reserves or dollar liabil

ities of disequilibrating fluctuations in the

international flow of payments to or from the

United States, and especially those that are

deemed to reflect temporary forces or transi

tional market unsettlement:

(2) To temper and smooth out abrupt changes in

spot exchange rates and moderate forward

premiums and discounts judged to be dis

equilibrating;

(3) To supplement international exchange arrange

ments such as those made through the Inter

national Monetary Fund; and

(4) In the long run, to provide a means whereby

reciprocal holdings of foreign currencies may

contribute to meeting needs for international

liquidity as required in terms of an expanding

world economy.

IV.

Arrangements with Foreign Central Banks

In making operating arrangements with foreign central

banks on System holdings of foreign currencies, the New York

Bank shall not commit itself to maintain any specific balance,

unless authorized by the Federal Open Market Committee.

The Bank shall instruct foreign central banks regarding

the investment of such holdings in excess of minimum working

balances in accordance with Section 14(e) of the Federal Reserve

Act.

The Bank shall consult with foreign central banks on

coordination of exchange operations.

Any agreements or understandings concerning the

administration of the accounts maintained by the New York Bank

with the central banks designated by the Board of Governors

under Section 214.5 of Regulation N (as amended) are to be

referred for review and approval to the Committee, subject to

the provision of Section VIII, paragraph 1, below.

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Authorized Currencies

The New York Bank is authorized to conduct trans

actions for System Account in such currencies and within the

limits that the Federal Open Market Committee may from time

to time specify.

VI.

Methods of Acquiring and Selling Foreign Currencies

The New York Bank is authorized to purchase and sell

foreign currencies in the form of cable transfers through spot

or forward transactions on the open market at home and abroad,

including transactions with the Stabilization Fund of the

Secretary of the Treasury established by Section 10 of the

Gold Reserve Act of 1934 and with foreign monetary authorities.

Unless the Bank is otherwise authorized, all trans

actions shall be at prevailing market rates.

VII.

Participation of Federal Reserve Banks

All Federal Reserve Banks shall participate in the

foreign currency operations for System Account in accordance

with paragraph 3 G (1) of the Board of Governors' Statement

of Procedure with Respect to Foreign Relationships of Federal

Reserve Banks dated January 1, 1944.

VIII.

Administrative Procedures

The Federal Open Market Committee authorizes a Sub

committee consisting of the Chairman and the Vice Chairman of

the Committee and the Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors

(or in the absence of the Chairman or cf the Vice Chairman of

the Board of Governors the members of the Board designated by

the Chairman as alternates, and in the absence of the Vice

Chairman of the Committee his alternate) to give instructions

to the Special Manager, within the guidelines issued by the

Committee, in cases in which it is necessary to reach a

decision on operations before the Committee can be consulted.

All actions authorized under the preceding paragraph

shall be promptly reported to the Committee.

The Committee authorizes the Chairman, and in his

absence the Vice Chairman of the Committee, and in the absence

of both, the Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors:

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(1)

(2)

(3)

IX.

With the approval of the Committee, to enter

into any needed agreement or understanding with

the Secretary of the Treasury about the division

of responsibility for foreign currency opera

tions between the System and the Secretary;

To keep the Secretary of the Treasury fully

advised concerning System foreign currency

operations, and to consult with the Secretary

on such policy matters as may relate to the

Secretary's responsibilities;

From time to time, to transmit appropriate

reports and information to the National

Advisory Council on International Monetary and

Financial Problems.

Special Manager of the System Open Market Account

A Special Manager of the Open Market Account for

foreign currency operations shall be selected in accordance

with the established procedures of the Federal Open Market

Committee for the selection of the Manager of the System Open

Market Account.

The Special Manager shall direct that all transactions

in foreign currencies and the amounts of all holdings in each

authorized foreign currency be reported daily to designated

staff officials of the Committee. and shall regularly consult

with the designated staff officials of the Committee on current

tendencies in the flow of international payments and on current

developments in foreign exchange markets.

The Special Manager and the designated staff officials

of the Committee shall arrange for the prompt transmittal to the

Committee of all statistical and other information relating to

the transactions in and the amounts of holdings of foreign

currencies for review by the Committee as to conformity with

its instructions.

The Special Manager shall include in his reports to

the Committee a statement of bank balances and investments

payable in foreign currencies, a statement of net profit or

loss on transactions to date, and a summary of outstanding

unmatured contracts in foreign currencies.

X.

Transmittal of Information to Treasury Department

The staff officials of the Federal Open Market

Committee shall transmit all pertinent information on System

foreign currency transactions to designated officials of the

Treasury Department.

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XI.

Amendment of Authorization

The Federal Open Market Committee may at any time

amend or rescind this authorization.

Chairman Martin then noted that Mr. Coombs had proposed

certain revisions in the guidelines for System foreign currency

operations in a memorandum to the Committee dated February 25, 1965,

and he invited Mr. Coombs to comment.

(A copy of the memorandum

referred to has been placed in the files of the Committee.)

Mr. Coombs observed that the changes he proposed were

primarily matters of form rather than substance.

As indicated in

his memorandum, they involved deletions of certain language relating

to the original launching of operations, consolidation of certain

material, and other clarifying revisions.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that he had no objection to the proposed

changes, but would like to raise a question.

It was his recollection

that when the Committee began operations in foreign currencies it was

concerned with the position of the dollar as such rather than in its

role as a reserve currency.

However, in Mr. Coombs' annual report, as

submitted for publication in the Board's Annual Report for 1964, the

dollar was discussed primarily from the reserve-currency standpoint.

Unless this was appreciated, the purposes for which the Account

Management had intervened in foreign exchange markets on many occasions

during the year were rather obscure.

His question was whether the

proposed revised guidelines adequately reflected consideration of the

dollar as such, as opposed to its reserve-currency status.

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Mr. Coombs replied that he thought the U.S. gold stock was

under two kinds of pressure--that of direct flows from the United

States to other countries, and that of third-country flows arising

because the dollar was a reserve currency.

This distinction was

not spelled out in the guidelines; rather, it was taken for granted

that the dollar was a reserve currency and the Account Management

had operated in that context.

Mr. Mitchell suggested that thought might be given to making

this distinction explicit.

It seemed to him that many of the Account

Management's operations were concerned with the dollar in its reserve

currency role.

Mr. Coombs said he would find it difficult to make the distinc

tion in practice, although he agreed with Mr. Mitchell that many opera

tions actually undertaken would be unnecessary if the dollar was not a

reserve currency.

Mr. Daane remarked that in talking about safeguarding the dollar

one necessarily had both of its roles in view.

He thought it would be

unwise to attempt to make explicit the distinction to which Mr. Mitchell

had referred.

Messrs. Hayes and Bryan concurred in this view.

Mr. Ellis noted that in Section 4 of the proposed new guide

lines it was said that transactions in forward exchange "may prove

desirable" under certain described circumstances.

This was a rather

indefinite statement; in his judgment it would be better to indicate that

forward operations were specifically authorized in the circumstances

described, consistently with the construction in other passages of the

guidelines.

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-20After discussion, in the course of which the relationship

between the guidelines and the continuing authority directive for

foreign currency operations was touched on, Chairman Martin suggested

that the Committee vote on the guidelines as proposed in Mr. Coombs'

memorandum, with the understanding that revisions to deal with the

problem Mr. Ellis had noted might be considered at the next meeting.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the Guidelines for System Foreign Cur

rency Operations were amended to read

as follows:

GUIDELINES FOR SYSTEM FOREIGN CURRENCY OPERATIONS

1.

Holdings of Foreign Currencies

Until otherwise authorized, the System will limit

its holdings of foreign currencies to that amount necessary

to enable its operations to exert a market influence.

Holdings of larger amounts will be authorized only when the

U.S. balance of international payments attains a sufficient

surplus to permit the ready accumulation of holdings of major

convertible currencies.

Foreign currency holdings shall be invested as far

as practicable in conformity with Section 14(e) of the Federal

Reserve Act.

2.

Exchange Transactions

System exchange transactions shall be geared to

pressures of payments flows so as to cushion or moderate

disequilibrating movements of funds and their destablizing

effects on U.S. and foreign official reserves and on exchange

markets.

In general, these transactions shall be geared to

pressures connected with movements that are expected to be

reversed in the foreseeable future; when expressly authorized

by the Federal Open Market Committee, they may also be geared

on a short-term basis to pressures connected with other

movements.

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Subject to express authorization of the Committee,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York may enter into reciprocal

arrangements with foreign central banks on exchange trans

actions ("swap" arrangements), which arrangements may be wholly

or in part on a standby basis.

Drawings made by either party under a reciprocal

arrangement shall be fully liquidated within 12 months after

any amount outstanding at that time was first drawn, unless

the Committee, because of exceptional circumstances, specif

ically authorizes a delay.

The New York Bank shall, as a usual practice,

purchase and sell authorized currencies at prevailing market

rates without trying to establish rates that appear to be

out of line with underlying market forces.

If market offers to sell or buy intensify as System

holdings increase or decline, this shall be regarded as a

clear signal for a review of the System's evaluation of inter

national payments flows.

It shall be the practice to arrange with foreign

central banks for the coordination of foreign currency trans

actions in order that System transactions do not conflict with

those being undertaken by foreign monetary authorities.

3. Transactions in Spot Exchange

The guiding principle for transactions in spot exchange

shall be that, in general, market movements in exchange rates,

within the limits established in the International Monetary Fund

Agreement or by central bank practices, index affirmatively the

interaction of underlying economic forc.s and thus serve as

efficient guides to current financial decisions, private and

public.

Temporary or transitional fluctuations in payments

flows may be cushioned or moderated whenever they occasion

market anxieties, or undesirable speculative activity in

foreign exchange transactions, or excessive leads and lags in

international payments.

Special factors making for exchange market instabilities

include (i) responses to short-run increases in international

political tension, (ii) differences in phasing of international

economic activity that give rise to unusually large interest

rate differentials between major markets, or (iii) market

rumors of a character likely to stimulate speculative trans

actions.

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Whenever exchange market instability threatens to

produce disorderly conditions, System transactions are appro

priate if the Special Manager, in consultation with the Federal

Open Market Committee, or in an emergercy with the members of

the Committee designated for that purpose, reaches a judgment

that they may help to re-establish supply and demand balance

at a level more consistent with the prevailing flow of under

lying payments. Whenever supply or demand persists in in

fluencing exchange rates in one direction, System transactions

should be modified, curtailed, or eventually discontinued

pending a reassessment by the Committee of supply and demand

forces.

Insofar as is practicable, the New York Bank shall

purchase a currency through spot transactions at or below

its par value, and sell a currency through spot transactions

at rates at or above its par value.

Spot transactions at rates other than those set

forth in the preceding paragraph shall be specially authorized

by the Committee or by the members of the Committee designated

in Section VIII of the Authorization for Open Market Trans

actions in Foreign Currencies, except that purchases of exchange

to meet System commitments may be executed without special

authorization at rates above par when necessary.

4.

Transactions in Forward Exchange

Transactions in forward exchange, either outright or

in conjunction with spot transactions, may prove desirable:

(1)

When forward premiums or discounts are incon

sistent with interest race differentials and

are giving rise to disequilibrating movements

of short-term funds;

(2)

When it is deemed appropriate to supplement

existing market supplies of forward cover,

as a means of encouraging the retention or

accumulation of dollar holdings by private

foreign holders;

(3)

To allow greater flexibility in covering System

commitments, including those under swap arrange

ments;

(4)

To facilitate the use of holdings of one

currency for the settlement of commitments

denominated in other currencies.

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Forward sales of authorized currencies to the U.S.

Stabilization Fund out of existing System holdings or in con

junction with spot purchases of such currencies may also prove

desirable in order to allow greater flexibility in covering

commitments of the U.S. Treasury.

In all other cases, proposals of the Special Manager

to initiate forward operations shall be submitted to the Com

mittee for advance approval.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the following con

tinuing authority directive to the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York with respect to

foreign currency operations was approved:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is authorized

and directed to purchase and sell through spot transactions

any or all of the following currencies in accordance with the

Guidelines on System Foreign Currency Operations as amended

March 2, 1965; provided that the aggregate amount of foreign

currencies held under reciprocal currency arrangements shall

not exceed $2.35 billion equivalent at any one time, and

provided further that the aggregate amount of foreign currencies

held as a result of outright purchases shall not exceed $150

million equivalent at any one time:

Pounds sterling

French francs

German marks

Italian lire

Netherlands guilders

Swiss francs

Belgian francs

Canadian dollars

Austrian schillings

Swedish kronor

Japanese yen

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to operate in any or all of the foregoing currencies

in accordance with the Guidelines and up to a combined total of $275

million equivalent, by means of:

(a)

purchases through forward transactions, for the

purpose of allowing greater flexibility in

covering commitments under reciprocal currency

agreements;

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purchases and sales through forward as well as

spot transactions, for the purpose of utilizing

its holdings of one currency for the settlement

of commitments denominated in other currencies;

(c)

purchases through spot transactions and concurrent

sales through forward transactions, for the purpose

of restraining short-term outflows of funds induced

by arbitrage considerations; and

(d)

sales through forward transactions, for the purpose

of influencing interest arbitrate flows of funds

and of minimizing speculative disturbances.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to make purchases through spot transactions, in

cluding purchases from the U.S. Stabilization Fund, and con

current sales through forward transactions to the U.S. Stabi

lization Fund, of any of the foregoing currencies in which the

U.S. Treasury has outstanding indebtedness, in accordance with

the Guidelines and up to a total of $100 million equivalent.

Purchases may be at rates above par, and both purchases and

sales are to be made at the same rates.

Chairman Martin then asked Mr. Stone to comment on proposed

revisions in the procedures for allocations of the System Open Market

Account.

Mr. Stone noted that a bill to remove the gold certificate

reserve requirement against deposits at Federal Reserve Banks had

passed both houses of Congress and presumably would be signed by the

President shortly.

Mr. Farrell and he recommended that the Committee

make certain deletions in the existing statement of procedures to

become effective when the bill was signed.

This would be a temporary

measure, pending a general review of the procedures.

First, they

would suggest deleting the word "combined" as a qualifier of the term

"reserve ratios" in the first and second paragraphs.

Secondly, since

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the Account now would need to be reallocated only once a month, they

proposed deleting the words in the first paragraph calling for weekly

reallocations.

Finally, they would delete the words "or to such

higher level as may be necessary to eliminate the deficiency in note

or deposit reserves" at the end of the second sentence of the second

paragraph.

The resulting statement then would be applicable to a

situation in which gold certificate reserves were required only against

Federal Reserve notes.

Chairman Martin suggested that the Committee vote on the

revised procedures with the understanding that they would be employed

temporarily while the general study to which Mr. Stone had referred

was in process.

He thought it would be desirable for this study to

be undertaken immediately.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the following

procedures with respect to allocations of the

System Open Market Account were approved,

effective upon the date at which the bill

removing gold certificate requirements against

deposits at Federal Reserve Banks became law:

1. Securities in the System Open Market Account shall

be reallocated on the last business day of each month by means

of adjustments proportionate to the adjustments that would

have been required to equalize approximately the average

reserve ratios of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks based on the

most recent available five business days' reserve ratio

figures.

2. The Board's staff shall calculate, in the morning

of each business day, the reserve ratios of each Bank after

allowing for the indicated effects of the settlement of the

Interdistrict Settlement Fund for the preceding day. If

these calculations should disclose a deficiency in the reserve

NOTE:

The bill referred to was signed by the President on March 3, 1965.

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ratio of any Bank, the Board's staff shall inform the Manager

of the System Open Market Account, who shall make a special

adjustment as of the previous day to restore the reserve ratio

of that Bank to the average of all the Banks. However, such

adjustments shall not be made beyond the point where a defi

ciency would be created at any other Bank. Such adjustments

shall be offset against the participation of the Bank or Banks

best able to absorb the additional amount or, at the discretion

of the Manager, against the participation of the Federal Reserve

Bank of New York. The Board's staff and the Bank or Banks con

cerned shall then be notified of the amounts involved and the

Interdistrict Settlement Fund shall be closed after giving

effect to the adjustments as of the preceding business day.

3. Until the next reallocation the Account shall be

apportioned on the basis of the ratios determined in para

graph 1, after allowing for any adjustments as provided for

in paragraph 2.

4. Profits and losses on the sale of securities from

the Account shall be allocated on the day of delivery of the

securities sold on the basis of each Bank's current holdings

at the opening of business on that day.

Mr. Farrell left the meeting at this point.

A proposed list for distribution of periodic reports pre

pared by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for the Federal Open

Market Committee was presented for consideration and approval.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

authorization was given for the follow

ing distribution:

1.

2.

3.

*4.

*5.

*6.

*7.

The Members of the Board of Governors

The Presidents of the twelve Federal Reserve Banks.

Officers of the Federal Open Market Committee.

The Secretary of the Treasury.

The Under Secretary of the Treasury for Monetary Affairs

and the Deputy Under Secretary for Monetary Affairs.

The Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury working on

debt management problems.

The Fiscal Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

* Weekly reports of open market operations only.

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8. The Director of the Division of Bank Operations of the

Board of Governors.

9. The officer in charge of research at each of the Federal

Reserve Banks not represented by its President on the

Federal Open Market Committee.

10. The alternate

member of the Federal Open Market Committee

from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; the Assist

ant Vice Presidents of the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York working under the Manager of the System Accout;

the Managers of the Securities Department of the New

York Bank; the Vice President of the Foreign Function

having supervisory responsibility for operations; the

Senior Foreign Exchange Officer of the Foreign Function;

the Managers of the Foreign Department; the officer in

charge, the Assistant Vice President, and the Advisor of

the Research Department of the New York Bank; and the

confidential files of the New York Bank as the Bank

selected to execute transactions for the Federal Open

Market Committee.

11. With the approval of a member of the Federal Open Market

Committee or any other President of a Federal Reserve

Bank, with notice to the Secretary, any other employee

of the Board of Governors or a Federal Reserve Bank.

The Committee reaffirmed by unanimous

vote the authorization, first given on

March 1, 1951, for the Chairman to appoint

a Federal Reserve Bank to operate the System

Open Market Account temporarily in case the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York is unable

to function.

The following resolution to provide for

the continued operation of the Federal Open

Market Committee during an emergency was

reaffirmed by unanimous vote:

In the event of war or defense emergency, if the Secretary

or Assistant Secretary of the Federal Open Market Committee (or

in the event of the unavailability of both of them, the Secretary

or Acting Secretary of the Board of Governors of the Federal

Reserve System) certifies that as a result of the emergency the

available number of regular members and regular alternates of

the Federal Open Market Committee is less than seven, all powers

and functions of the said Committee shall be performed and

exercised by, and authority to exercise such powers and functions

is hereby delegated to, an Interim Committee, subject to the

following terms and conditions:

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Such Interim Committee shall consist of seven members,

comprising each regular member and regular alternate of the

Federal Open Market Committee then available, together with

an additional number, sufficient to make a total of seven,

which shall be made up in the following order of priority

from those available:

(1) each alternate at large (as

defined below); (2) each President of a Federal Reserve Bank

not then either a regular member or an alternate; (3) each

First Vice President of a Federal Reserve Bank; provided

that (a) within each of the groups referred to in clauses

(1), (2), and (3) priority of selection shall be in numerical

order according to the numbers of Federal Reserve Districts,

(b) the President and the First Vice President of the same

Federal Reserve Bank shall not serve at the same time as

members of the Interim Committee, and (c) whenever a regular

member or regular alternate of the Federal Open Market Com

mittee or a person having a higher priority as indicated in

clauses (1), (2), and (3) becomes available he shall become

a member of the Interim Committee in the place of the person

then on the Interim Committee having the lowest priority.

The Interim Committee is hereby authorized to take action

by majority vote of those present whenever one or more

members thereof are present, provided that an affirmative

vote for the action taken is cast by at least one regular

member, regular alternate, or President of a Federal Reserve

Bank. The delegation of authority and other procedures set

forth above shall be effective only during such period or

periods as there are available less than a total of seven

regular members and regular alternates of the Federal Open

Market Committee.

As used herein the term "regular member" refers to a

member of the Federal Open Market Committee duly appointed

or elected in accordance with existing law; the term

"regular alternate" refers to an alternate of the Committee

duly elected in accordance with existing law and serving in the

absence of the regular member for whom he was elected; and the

term "alternate at large" refers to any other duly elected

alternate of the Committee at a time when the member in whose

absence he was elected to serve is available.

The following resolution authorizing

certain actions by the Federal Reserve

Banks during an emergency was reaffirmed

by unanimous vote:

The Federal Open Market Committee hereby authorizes each

Federal Reserve Bank to take any or all of the actions set

forth below during war or defense emergency when such Federal

Reserve Bark finds itself unable after reasonable efforts to

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be in communication with the Federal Open Market Committee

(or with the Interim Committee acting in lieu of the Federal

Open Market Committee) or when the Federal Open Market Com

mittee (or such Interim Committee) is unable to function.

(1) Whenever it deems it necessary in the light of

economic conditions and the general credit situation then

prevailing (after taking into account the possibility of

providing necessary credit through advances secured by

direct obligations of the United States under the last para

graph of section 13 of the Federal Reserve Act), such Federal

Reserve Bank may purchase and sell obligations of the United

States for its own account, either outright or under repur

chase agreement, from and to banks, dealers, or other holders

of such obligations.

(2) In case any prospective seller of obligations of

the United States to a Federal Reserve Bank is unable to

tender the actual securities representing such obligations

because of conditions resulting from the emergency, such

Federal Reserve Bank may, in its discretion and subject to

such safeguards as it deems necessary, accept from such seller,

in lieu of the actual securities, a "due bill" executed by

the seller in form acceptable to such Federal Reserve Bank

stating in substantial effect that the seller is the owner

of the obligations which are the subject of the purchase,

that ownership of such obligations is thereby transferred

to the Federal Reserve Bank, and that the obligations them

selves will be delivered to the Federal Reserve Bank as

soon as possible.

(3) Such Federal Reserve Bank may in its discretion

purchase special certificates of indebtedness directly from

the United States in such amounts as may be needed to cover

overdrafts in the general account of the Treasurer of the

United States on the books of such Bank or for the temporary

accommodation of the Treasury, but such Bank shall take all

steps practicable at the time to insure as far as possible

that the amount of obligations acquired directly from the

United States and held by it, together with the amount of

such obligations so acquired and held by all other Federal

Reserve Banks, does not exceed $5 billion at any one time.

Authority to take the actions above set forth shall be

effective only until such time as the Federal Reserve Bank is

able again to establish communications with the Federal Open

Market Committee (or the Interim Committee), and such Committee

is then functioning.

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By unanimous vote the Committee re

affirmed the authorization, first given at

the meeting on December 16, 1958, providing

for System personnel assigned to the Office

of Emergency Planning, Special Facilities

Branch (formerly, Office of Civil and Defense

Mobilization--Classified Location) on a

rotating basis to have access to the resolu

tions (1) providing for continued operation

of the Committee during an emergency and

(2) authorizing certain actions by the

Federal Reserve Banks during an emergency.

There was unanimous agreement that no

action should be taken to change the existing

procedure, as called for by resolution adopted

June 21, 1939, requesting the Board of Governors

to cause its examining force to furnish the

Secretary of the Federal Open Market Committee

a report of each examination of the System Open

Market Account.

Reference was made to the procedure authorized at the meeting

of the Committee on March 2, 1955, and most recently reaffirmed on

March 3, 1964, whereby, in addition to membe:s and officers of th

Com

mittee and Reserve Bank Presidents not currently members of the Committee

minutes and other records could be made available to any other employee

of the Board of Governors or of a Federal Reserve Bank with the approval

of a member of the Committee or another Reserve Bank President, with

notice to the Secretary.

It was stated that lists of currently authorized persons at

the Board and at each Federal Reserve Bank (excluding secretaries and

records and duplicating personnel) had recently been confirmed by the

Secretary of the Committee.

The current lists were reported to be in

the custody of the Secretary, and it was noted that revisions could be

sent to the Secretary at any time.

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It was agreed unanimously that no

action should be taken at this time to

amend the procedure authorized on

March 2, 1955.

This concluded the consideration of the continuing authoriza

tions of the Open Market Committee, and the Committee turned to a

review of operations during the period since the meeting of the Com

mittee held on February 2, 1965.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account on foreign exchange market operations and on Open Market

Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies for the period

February 2 through February 24, 1965, and a supplemental report for

February 25 through March 1, 1965.

Copies of these reports have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

Supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs stated that the

gold stock might be reduced this week by $125 million in order to

replenish the Stabilization Fund, which ended

with a balance of $56 million.

the month of February

Scheduled sales of gold during March

already amounted to $270 million and the French would probably requesteither in March or April--an additional $150 million, which would lift

the total to $420 million.

This would increase gold losses since the

beginning of the year to nearly $900 million.

continuing on the London gold market.

Meanwhile, pressure was

The cost of intervention in

February was $86 million, and the U.S. share of Gold Pool sales came

to $43 million.

The drain on the Gold Pool had now reached the figure

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of $160 million out of the $270 million available.

Most of the pres

sure on the market was attributable to continuing French attacks on

the dollar and sterling; as far as he could tell only a minor part

originated in the Viet Nam situation.

In recent weeks, the Chinese

Communist Government had also exerted further pressure on the market

by regular purchases of gold, which now totaled more than $30 million.

He was not sure how much the Chinese had in the way of funds to continue

such purchases, but he suspected their resources were meager and soon

would run out.

Mr. Coombs reported that at Basle this coming weekend (March 6-7)

there would be discussions of the future of the Gold Pool if the $270

million should be exhausted.

He thought it would be highly advisable

in the present atmosphere to prevent the London price from going over

$35.20 even if this country's Gold Pool partners were unwilling to con

tinue to share with the U.S. the cost of intervention in the London gold

market, so that the full cost of intervention had to be absorbed by this

country.

Thus, Mr. Coombs remarked, the immediate outlook in general

was for very heavy pressure on the U.S. gold stock, further aggravated

by speculative pressure on the London gold market.

Confidence in the

dollar, which had become rather shaky in the past two or three weeks,

could be undermined still further, and in the next few weeks the U.S.

could be brought dangerously close to another crisis such as was ex

perienced in the fall of 1960.1/

1/ Three sentences have been deleted at this point for one of the

reasons cited in the preface. The deleted material related to certain

recent and prospective operations by the Bank of England.

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In other exchange markets, the dollar had remained on or close

to the floor against the French franc, the Dutch guilder, and the Belgian

franc, and all three countries had continued to take in dollars which

from now on probably would be entirely converted into gold.

The U.S.

had about used up its credit facilities in the Netherlands and Belgium,

and, of course, the French were continuing to convert dollar accruals

into gold.

The only encouraging feature in the present situation had

been the strength of the dollar against the Swiss franc.

This reflected

seasonal factors as well as the underlying deficit in the Swiss balance

of payments which reappeared whenever short-term capital inflows tapered

off.

Here again, however, very little scope remained for financing any

renewed flow of money to Switzerland through swap arrangements or other

credits; outstanding commitments in Swiss francs now amounted to $250

million out of the $300 million available under the Swiss swap arrange

ments.

On the exchange markets generally, as in the gold market, the

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U.S. might have to pass through a fairly dangerous period before the

new balance of payments measures became fully effective.

Chairman Martin asked whether the identity of the purchasers

on the London gold market was known.

Mr. Coombs replied that it gen

erally was possible to learn of any purchases by central banks.

As

far as he knew, the only sizable central bank purchases recently were

by the Chinese.

In general, the demand appeared to be world-wide, and

there were indications that cash balances were being accumulated by

people who feared trouble and were ready to come into the market.

Any

one could buy gold through the agency of, say, a Swiss or Dutch bank.

There was no indication that any American buyers were involved.

Mr. Swan asked about the significance of the $35.20 price for

gold which Mr. Coombs had suggested should not be exceeded.

replied that that was a fairly arbitrary ceiling.

Mr. Coombs

The gold price had

risen close to $35.20 on at least two previous occasions, one of which

was at the time of the Cuban crisis, and in recent years the market and

the financial press had tended to view this figure as an informal ceiling.

The figure also had some significance in that the New York gold price of

$35.0875 plus costs of shipping gold by a routine method added up to a

London price of about $35.18.

to London by cheaper means.

It was possible, of course, to ship gold

But if the London price went much over

$35.20, expectational factors such as those seen in 1960 would be

triggered off, and events probably would move much faster than in 1960

because of that earlier experience.

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In response to a question by Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Coombs said that

the total of System drawings under the swap arrangements would come to

$535 million after a drawing planned for next week of $50 million

equivalent on the swap with the Bank of Italy.

Mr. Mitchell then

asked whether Mr. Coombs thought these drawings, other than that on

the Bank of Italy, ought to be paid off in gold.

the negative.

Mr. Coombs replied in

He was hopeful that if the new balance of payments meas

ures proved effective much of the total would prove reversible.

The

main significance he saw in the $535 million figure was that the U.S.

gold stock would have been that much lower if the System had not made

the swap drawings.

In reply to other questions by Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Coombs noted

that all earlier System drawings had been completely paid off in June

1964.

Subsequently, except for a September drawing of guilders to deal

with a special situation, there were no substantial drawings by the

System until November and December.

No drawings had been renewed more

than once, although he planned to recommend certain second renewals

today.

In general, System drawings had been repaid within the time

span the Committee had in mind although some small part of them had been

funded by issuance of Treasury bonds denominated in foreign currencies.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System open market transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

February 2 through March 1, 1965, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Coombs then noted that the System's $100 million standby swap

arrangement with the Netherlands Bank would reach the end of its term on

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March 15, 1965, and he requested approval of its renewal for another

three months.

Renewal of the $100 million standby

swap arrangement with the Netherlands

Bank for a further period of 3 months,

as recommended by Mr. Coombs, was approved.

During March, Mr. Coombs said, a number of drawings matured

which should be renewed if the U.S. was to avoid paying them off in

gold.

These included a $100 million drawing on the Bank for Inter

national Settlements and two drawings totaling $45 million on the

National Bank of Belgium.

Each of these would be a first renewal.

Renewal of the drawings on the BIS

and the National Bank of Belgium was

noted without objection.

Mr. Coombs then noted that three drawings upon the Netherlands

Bank, totaling $65 million, matured in March.

These already had been

renewed once, but he thought they should be renewed again.

There was

some prospect, however, that the Dutch government might make a debt re

payment to the U.S. of roughly $60 million some time in April which

would provide the funds to liquidate these drawings in advance of their

next maturity.

Thus, even though these drawings were renewed a second

time he would hope that they would not be outstanding for a full nine

months but would be paid off about seven months after they initially

were made.

Mr. Mitchell asked whether Mr. Coombs would plan to liquidate

these drawings if the Dutch debt repayment was not made, and Mr. Coombs

replied affirmatively.

It was a basic principle, he thought, not to

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let drawings run on; the integrity of the whole swap network rested on

this principle.

If it proved necessary to liquidate these drawings with

gold after this renewal, he would want to consult with the Treasury on

specific timing in the interests of orderly procedure, but the basic

decision on liquidation would be the System's.

To his mind the principle

was quite clear that the drawings should be liquidated at the earliest

possible moment, and he certainly would not anticipate coming back to

the Committee to propose a third renewal.

Mr. Shepardson remarked that in his judgment the Committee should

plan on paying off the drawings even if the potential Netherlands debt

repayment was not made.

He thought it would be undesirable to get into

a position in which swap drawings were used to finance basic positions

that should be covered by other means.

Mr. Coombs replied he agreed completely with this view, and that

it was shared by all other countries in the swap network.

Renewal of the three drawings

totaling $65 million on the Netherlands

Bank was noted without objection.

Mr. Coombs then reported that a $10 million swap of sterling

against Dutch guilders matured for the second time at the end of the

month, and he felt that in this case also he must recommend renewal for

another three months.

However, this was a type of arrangement that in

the past had been allowed to run on somewhat longer than drawings on

the regular swap lines.

A greater degree of flexibility seemed appropriate

for such third-currency swaps than for regular swap transactions because

they permitted the System to shift its holdings among currencies.

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Renewal of the $10 million swap of

sterling against Dutch guilders was noted

without objection.

Finally, Mr. Coombs said, he expected to send a memorandum

to the Committee before the next meeting suggesting the desirability

of increases in the swap lines with the Bank of Italy and the Bank

of Japan.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System Open Market

Account covering open market operations in U.S. Government securities

and bankers' acceptances for the period February 2 through February 24,

1965, and a supplemental report for February 25 through March 1, 1965.

Copies of these reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the writter. reports, Mr. Stone commented

as follows:

Financial markets have come to understand that monetary

policy has undergone a modest but distinct shift toward less

ease. The change has been interpreted as a step aimed at

supporting the more general program undertaken to deal with

the balance of payments. The shift in policy was widely

expected. Indeed, as I indicated at the last meeting, the

market had already, by the beginning of February, undergone

a good part of its adjustment to a somewhat less easy policy

stance.

Marginal reserve availability has now moved down to a

range surrounding zero free reserves, Federal funds have been

trading most often at or above the 4 per cent discount rate,

and member bank borrowing has increased. Bill rates have

risen about 10 basis points, putting the 3-month rate in the

neighborhood of 4 per cent, while other short-term rates have

moved up about 1/8 per cent. Yields on short-term coupon

issues, maturing within a year or two, also have moved up

about 10 basis points, but throughout the rest of the Treasury

list there have been yield increases of only a basis point or

two for the most part.

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While the market's adjustment to the policy shift has been

very smooth, there remains an undertone of caution, based partly

on uneasiness over the situation in the Far East and over recent

and prospective gold losses. Furthermore, there is a feeling

that unless the payments deficit is reduced substantially, and

soon, further monetary policy action may be needed. On the other

hand, the market continues to see large amounts of savings seeking

employment, and it retains the view that, barring some kind of

crisis, longer term rates are not likely to change much and might

even edge down as the year goes on.

Wnatever the longer-range view about rates, there is a feeling

in the market that the next few weeks may see some intensification

of money market pressures, and possible rate increases, for seasonal

reasons. Corporate cash needs over the dividend and tax dates this

month may be at least as great as in other recent quarterly months,

and there may be somewhat less of a cushion of liquid holdings to

fall back on, given the build-.p in other demands on corporate

liquid resources. Issuing rates on time certificates of deposit

have edged into new high ground as banks have sought to replace

actual and anticipated maturities of outstanding CDs. With major

banks paying 4-1/4 per cent or more for 3-month money, and corpora

tions in a period of net cash drain, it is possible that short

rates might press a bit higher during the period of seasonal pres

sures ahead. On the other hand, there has been a tendency during

several recent tax and dividend periods for a number of large money

market banks to move gradually to surplus basic reserve positions

to enable them to accommodate without strain the pressures that

If this advance

converge upon them on the tax and dividend dates.

preparation happens again, the upward rate pressures could well turn

out to be both mild and brief.

Recent price declines have been somewhat more pronounced in

corporate and tax-exempt bond markets than in the Treasury bond

area. Tax-exempt bonds have been in large supply and a reaction

seemed overdue after the price rise in this market which followed

the raising of Regulation Q ceilings last November. Recent price

cuts seem to have been successful in stimulating demand, but the

calendar remains substantial. Public offerings of corporate bonds

have not been heavy, but private bond placements and stock or

convertible debt offerings have competed for investible funds and

produced some rise in rates.

The Treasury financing calendar is clear of all but routine

bill roll-overs for the next three weeks, and indeed the next

significant debt operation is not likely to come until late April,

when the Treasury will announce plans for refunding its May 15

maturities.

Mr. Ellis asked whether his understanding was correct that Mr.

Stone thought the market had completed its adjustment to the recent shift

in monetary policy, and Mr. Stone replied affirmatively.

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and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions in Govern

ment securities and bankers' acceptances

during the period February 2 through

March 1, 1965, were approved, ratified,

and confirmed.

Chairman Martin then called for the staff economic and financial

reports, supplementing the written reports that had been distributed prior

to the meeting, copies of which have been placed in the files of the Com

mittee.

Mr. Noyes made the following statement on economic conditions:

After four years of almost incredibly stable expansion,

there is growing concern that our economy may be developing

a classic form of instability--the boom-bust inventory whipsaw

that so often frustrated our efforts to maintain stable growth.

The fact that some observers are inclined to focus their

attention on the boom side of this cycle and its inflationary

potential, while others are preoccupied with the subsequent

bust and its impact on our employment and growth objectives,

should not trap us into the comforting but erroneous conclu

sion that these concerns can be offset against one another.

It is impossible to establish with any precision the size

of the inventory build-up that has already occurred. The most

recent comprehensive data presently available are for December.

These were just revised upward by a substantial amount and there

are indications that before they are final they will be revised

still further. Taken at their face value, they would indicate

that inventories were being accumulated on a GNP basis at a

$9 billion annual rate in November and December. The staff

reply to the first question 1/ suggests that the annual rate of

accumulation in January and February may be about $10 billion,

and that over $6 billion of this is in lines other than steel

and autos. These are high rates, by any standards--about equal,

for example, to the second quarter of 1959, when inventory policy

was influenced by both widespread inflationary expectations and

the prospect of a prolonged steel strike.

1/

The staff's prepared comments on certain questions considered

by the Committee at this meeting are given at a later point

in these minutes.

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I do not wish to leave you with the impression that all of

the strength we see in our economy should be associated with

inventory accumulation, or that the absorption of the inventories

thus far accumulated would necessarily produce a recession in

economic activity. The staff answer I referred to earlier

estimates that we might see "an initial downdrag of some $8

billion annual rate," but the staff has, wisely in my judgment,

declined to specify at this stage the period over which such a

downdrag might be felt. Similarly, they omit any consideration

of the immediate or ultimate consequences of a further accelera

tion in the rate of inventory accumulation.

Obviously, I have no better basis for projecting these

magnitudes than they had. Nevercheless, it seems quite possible

that we may shortly find ourselves in a situation in which aggre

gate demand is being inflated by inventory accumulation at an

annual rate of as much as $15 billion. If this should continue

for a period of several months, it would almost certainly have

current inflationary consequences, and if it were rapidly reversed,

it would produce at best a short recession.

What can monetary policy do to forestall such a misfortune?

It is difficult to conclude that it can do much. At the heart

of one's conclusion lies a judgment as to whether a more restric

tive monetary policy now would (a) moderate somewhat the rate of

inventory accumulation, or (b) effectively defer some other demands

to be released when inventory demand disappears, or both.

There is very little evidence to suggest that changes in the

overall cost and availability of credit exert much influence on

inventory policy in the short run. While judgments differ as to

the extent of the influence, if any, I doubt that anyone would

wish to argue that inventory accumulation can be effectively

regulated by general credit policy.

Whether other types of expenditures can be deferred and later

released by a tightening and subsequent easing of credit is a

much more controversial question. It seems to me that the ques

tion cannot be answered dogmatically in the negative. To deny that

some deferral could be accomplished by alternating the posture of

policy would be to deny any anticyclical role to monetary action.

But the risks involved in attempting to push some part of the demand

pressures that are present and in immediate prospect ahead for

several months are formidable. We know very little about the so

called lags in the impact of monetary policy, but we have every

reason to believe that they vary considerably among the components

of aggregate demand. The studies that have been made suggest

that the lags may be longest in the very areas in which we might

hope to accomplish some deferral, creating a danger that the major

impact of a policy change intended to push demands ahead might

come at the very time the additional demand was needed.

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There is also the danger that a policy change

sufficient to accomplish any significant deferral of

demand would itself cause the expansion to lose momen

tum and thus precipitate the downturn it was intended

to prevent.

These dangers must be weighed against the strong

possibility that in the absence of restraint and subsequent

stimulation from public policy, the process of inventory

accumulation and decumulation will again upset the smooth

course of economic progress.

I have no answer to suggest to you today and any

attempt to deal with the problem now would probably be

premature. It may be that this threat to stability will

be wiped out, as others have, by some fortuitious event

that cannot be foreseen at this stage. I am afraid, however,

that the more likely possibility is that it will loom much

larger three weeks from now than it does today.

Mr. Robertson entered the meeting during the course of Mr. Noyes'

remarks.

Mr. Swan asked if Mr. Noyes would clarify the basis on which

he estimate

annual rate.

that inventory accumulation might rise to a $15 billion

Mr. Noyes replied that the latest inventory figures

available related to November and December, and the Board's staff had

estimated that the accumulation rate had risen from $9 billion in this

period to $10 billion in January and February.

However, there was some

evidence to suggest that inventory investment in the first two months

of 1965 was higher than that estimate.

The evidence did not consist

of hard figures, but rather of comparisons of current rates of produc

tion and final takings.

He personally had suggested that there might

be a gradual snowballing, with the rate rising to something on the

order of $15 billion in March.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that most analysts expected the rate of

inventory accumulation to peak out in March and April, and then to turn

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down of its own weight.

Evidently it was Mr. Noyes' view that the

current high rate would continue for a longer period.

Mr. Noyes said he thought there was some danger that it would.

The staff's answer to the first question was in accord with the expecta

tion that Mr. Mitchell had described and on that basis they had con

cluded that there might be a downdrag on GNP of about $8 billion, at

an annual rate, in late spring and early summer.

What he suggested was

that the problem would be more serious if the high rate of accumulation

continued or accelerated.

Whether it would or not depended on many

factors which he could not forecast with confidence, including the

nature of developments in the steel industry labor negotiations.

he had several reasons for fearing that a

But

snowballing might be in process.

First was the evidence to which he had referred suggesting that current

accumulation rates might be even higher than the high staff estimates.

Second was the apparent fact that inventory investment outside of steel

and autos was going forward at the high rate of $6 billion.

It was

necessary to assume that this was voluntary accumulation not directly

associated with anticipations of a steel strike, and there was no reason

to suppose that it would not continue, as it had in past inventory cycles.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that there were no suggestions of such a

development in the most recent surveys of expectations or in data on

final sales, and Mr. Noyes agreed.

Mr. Hickman remarked that if the rate of inventory investment in

February was $10 billion it was quite reasonable to expect it to be on

the order of $15 billion in March, considering both the auto-steel

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situations and the accumulation in other lines.

This was the sort of

situation that. had been foreshadowed by developments over the past six

months and about which the Committee had been concerned.

Mr. Koch then made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

Open market operations over the past few weeks have

achieved the slight firming in money market conditions

sought at the last meeting of the Committee. Three-month

Treasury bill rates have edged up near the 4 per cent

discount rate, and free reserves have fluctuated around

the zero level. Most other money market rates of interest

have also risen between an eighth and a quarter of a per cent.

The effect of this slight firming in money market con

ditions on interest rates on longer-term Government securities

has thus far been moderate. The average yield on U.S. Govern

ment bonds with maturities of over 10 years, for example, is

up only about 3 basis points from its late-January low. In

vestors and dealers apparently became convinced that the Govern

ment bond market had found a viable level when official purchases

of the 4-1/4 per cent bonds offered in the January advance re

funding were undertaken when they hit par.

Corporate and municipal bond yields have experienced a

somewhat larger upward yield adjustment in recent weeks, due

in large part to factors other than the recent adjustment in

policy. Sluggishness has developed in the distribution of

some recent new issues, particularly in the municipal area

where dealer inventories are at a record level.

It is still too early to tell whether the recent policy

adjustment has had the effect of ;oderating the pace of

expansion in the complex of variables that make up the other

basic financial objectives of policy, namely, the reserve base,

bank credit, and the money supply. Over the 3 months ending

with February, total reserves and total bank credit expanded

at high annual rates, 6 per cent in the case of reserves and

10-1/2 per cent in the case of bank credit. Demand for bank

loans by businesses was especially strong. The sharp contra

seasonal rise in business loans was no doubt sparked chiefly by

heavier inventory accumulation, due in part to the dock strike

and the strike threat in the steel industry, and by accelerated

foreign lending in anticipation of Governmental curbs. Some of

these temporary factors that have strengthened business loan

demand are either abating or will probably do so in the not-too

distant future, but other factors, reflecting the stepped-up

over-all economic expansion, are likely to be more long-lived.

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In contrast to the sharp growth in reserves and bank

credit, there has been no net growth in the money supply

over the past 3 months, as compared with over a 4-1/2 per cent

annual rate of increase in the preceding 3 months. Indeed,

in February the money supply actually declined.

This recent

behavior in the money stock was no doubt accompanied by some

further increase in income velocity although the bank debit

and deposit turnover figures do not show it.

The explanation for the leveling off in the money stock

despite the higher rates of growth in bank reserves and bank

credit lies mainly in the sharply higher rate of increase in

time and savings deposits at commercial banks induced by the

impact of rising rates of return. The annual rate of growth

of these deposits amounted to 20 per cent over the past 3 months.

One's judgment as to the likely inflationary effects of

recent Federal Reserve policy must rest in large part on his

interpretation of these divergent developments in the course

of bank reserves, bank credit, the money supply, and savings.

That is to say, it must rest mainly on one's judgment as to

the differential effects on the cost and availability of

credit and on spending of the leveling off in the money stock,

on the one hand, and of the rapid increase in time and savings

deposits, on the other.

In evaluating the characteristics of the recent growth

in time and savings deposits of commercial banks, it is of

relevance to note that the turnover of savings deposits of

commercial banks in the Chicago Federal Reserve District,

the only data of this kind that are available on a current

basis, has shown no rise and is still only about 1/70 as

rapid as that in demand deposits. Of course, time certif

icates of deposit, particularly negotiable certificates,

turn over more rapidly than savings deposits, but even these

deposits have fixed maturities that are much longer than the

average life of a demand deposit. Mcreover, negotiable

certificates of deposit, although now totaling almost $14

billion, still make up only a little more than 10 per cent

of total outstanding time and savings deposits.

Thus,not only are consumers and businesses saving more

in depository type assets, but commercial banks are playing

a much more important role now than earlier as savings

intermediaries. In other words, the recent increase in

the rate of bank credit expansion represents mainly the

investment of savings that would otherwise have been invested

directly by savers or by nonbank financial institutions.

The existence of a large outstanding volume of time

and savings deposits at commercial banks does pose a

potential inflationary threat if the holders of such deposits

decided to spend them in large volume. But the continuing

low turnover rate of savings deposits as well as recent

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reduced rates of growth in savings at other depository

type institutions suggest that most commercial bank

savings deposits probably represent funds that would

more likely flow to competitive savings institutions or

directly into purchases of securities rather than into the

spending stream if they suddenly left the banks. At least

there is no reason for assuming that most savings deposits

at commercial banks are potentially more inflationary than

shareholdings at savings and loan associations, deposits at

mutual savings banks, or savings bonds.

If one accepts this interpretation of recent develop

ments in the course of the reserve base, bank credit, money,

and savings, they do not appear to pose as much of a destabi

lizing and inflationary threat to the continuance of sustain

able over-all economic expansion as the high rates of expan

sion in bank credit and time deposits in and of themselves

might suggest.

Mr. Hickman commented that aggregate savings, ex post, equaled

aggregate investment, and any increase in bank deposits contributed to

the funds available for investment whether it was in the form of time

and savings or demand deposits.

In his judgment the recent 20 per cent

growth rate in time and savings deposits and the concurrent rapid increase

in total assets held by banks were an inflationary development.

Mr. Koch said he would agree that the time and savings deposit

growth would have expansionary implications to the extent that they

were not held idle but, as he had noted, the limited data available

suggested that their turnover had not increased recently.

It was true

that the increases in savings deposits were financing investment.

However,

they did not involve money creation but rather abstention from spending

by the savers, and thus, in his judgment, were no different from increases

in flows of funds through other financial intermediaries.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that the banks were buying these deposits

from the public; with higher ceiling rates on time and savings deposits

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banks were able to participate in intermediating the flows of funds

to a greater extent than before.

He agreed with Mr. Koch that the

basic question was whether the recent rise in deposits primarily

reflected money creation; if he thought it did he would favor a much

tighter monetary policy.

But since the turnover of these deposits

evidently was stable he concluded that they represented savings which

the depositors were not inclined to spend.

Mr. Hickman said he would agree that one could not push on a

string; the situation would be different if there was no outlet for

these funds.

But they were flowing into domestic business investment,

into mortgages, to outlets abroad, and so forth.

He added that the

ratio of aggregate liquid assets to GNP was rising in this expansion

period, for the first time in any expansion on record.

Mr. Hayes commented that even if the accelerated rise in time

and savings deposits merely represented a greater degree of intermedia

tion by banks it resulted in some increase in the liquidity of the

nonbank public.

At some point this could have inflationary consequences;

it apparently had not thus far, but one could not be sure how long this

situation would continue.

Mr. Mitchell concurred in this statement.

Mr. Reynolds then presented the following statement on the

balance of payments:

The unadjusted payments deficit on "regular" trans

actions in January-February now appears to have totaled

$600-$700 million. This is much larger than a year earlier,

during the period when the deficit was temporarily very

small, and about the same as in January-February of 1963,

when things were going rather badly.

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The deficit was swollen by a rush of long-term bank

lending to beat the Gore Amendment. New commitments were

enormous, $575 million through about February 10th, and

much of this was probably disbursed. The deficit may also

have been swollen by other anticipatory outflows, and by

the port strikes, which always delay more exports than

imports. These adverse influences may have been partly

offset by some favorable developments, including a return

flow early in January of very short-term capital that went

out over the year-end, receipt of dividends earlier post

poned to take advantage of U.S. tax cuts, and a pause, at

least, in capital outflows during the latter part of

February after the new balance of payments program was

announced.

As is usual early in the year, net "official settle

ments" were small in January-February; but within this

category there were very large transactions. The U.S.

gold stock declined by about $480 million, more than in

any other two-month period since late 1960, and U.S.

official holdings of convertible foreign currencies

(mainly sterling) were reduced by about $200 million.

This drop of nearly $700 million in reserve assets was

more than matched by a reduction in U.S. liabilities to

foreign monetary authorities.

The behavior of the gold stock will continue to

attract much attention in coming months, and it may be

helpful to review the recent and prospective reserve

behavior of those countries that are in a position to

make substantial gold purchases.

France has sought and achieved the limelight in this

area. Its announced policy is to take all reserve gains

in gold this year, and in addition to reduce its official

dollar holdings. In January-February, France bought $250

million of gold from the United States; the likely purchase

of an additional $250 million in March would bring French

dollar balances down to about the desired level of $1

billion. Thereafter, France would buy gold to the extent

of its reserve gains, which could well amount to an

additional $300 million or so.

Canada has larger official dollar holdings than any

other country--$1.6 billion that are counted as reserves

plus $200 million of additional U.S.-dollar Roosa bonds.

Canada is not expected to continue adding to its total

reserves this year, but will probably build up its gold

stock slowly out of current domestic production.

After Canada, the three countries with the largest

official dollar holdings are Italy, Germany, and Japan,

each holding about $1-1/2 billion. Total Italian reserves

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are rising rapidly, and Italy has not repurchased either

the $200 million of gold that it sold last spring or the

$200 million of Roosa bonds that it then redeemed. Its

gold stock is lower, both absolutely and relative to total

reserves, than at any time since 1960, and its dollar

holdings are larger. With the best will in the world,

Italy may be sorely tempted to take some of its reserve

gains in gold this year, even though the renewed expansion

of Italian economic activity--when it comes--seems likely

to eliminate the payments surplus.

Unlike Italy, Germany has not been gaining reserves,

and it reduced its official dollar holdings during 1964

by more than $1 billion, while adding about $400 million

each to its gold stock, its holdings of deutschemark

Roosa bonds, and its IMF position. Germany is unlikely

to have new dollar gains to convert into gold this year,

and the internal argument will be whether to convert ex

isting holdings, as the French are urging.1/

To summarize for these five countries, which account

for about half of foreign official dollar holdings, I think

we may expect that France will buy roughly $800 million of

gold this year, that Italy may buy at least the $200 million

it sold last year, and that Canada will absorb domestic gold

production of about $150 million, while it may be hoped that

Germany and Japan will sit tight.

Among a second group of foreign countries--those that

hold large reserves almost entirely in gold--the United

Kingdom will probably not be selling gold as it did last

year, but will have to use any reserve accruals this year

to repay debts. Other countries in this gold-holding groupSwitzerland, the Netherlands, and Belgium--added some $500

million to their total reserves last year, largely during

the sterling crisis, but took less than $100 million of it

in gold. This year, their reserve gains may be smaller,

but they may still make sizable gold purchases. They pur

chased $85 million from us in January-February.

A third group of countries have more modest total reserves

but relatively large dollar holdings. Of these, Spain has the

largest holdings; it is not expected to add greatly further

to its total reserves this year, but is buying $180 million of

gold during the first half. Sweden and Denmark have taken

reserve increases largely in dollars, and each holds less than

1/ Two sentences have been deleted at this point for one of the

reasons cited in the preface. The deleted material related to

Japanese gold policy.

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one-fifth of its total reserves in gold, but they have given

no recent indication of being restive about their dollar

holdings. Austria took reserve gains of $90 million in

1964 mainly in gold, but is currently purchasing another

$50 million of Roosa bonds instead of gold. In Venezuela,

officials are encountering local pressures to add to the

gold stock and may do so.

Adding up these rough impressions, and making some

allowance for gains and losses by other countries, I con

cluded that foreign monetary authorities may well buy as

much as $2 billion of gold, net, this year (including gold

to be subscribed to the IMF). Free world production plus

Russian sales will probably be about $1-3/4 billion, but

industrial uses and hoarding typically take about half of

the new supply in good years and three-fourths of it in

years of market disturbance, which 1965 has certainly

started out to be, so that less than $1/2 billion may be

available for central banks. Thus, the U.S. gold stock could

well decline by more than $1-1/2 billion this year, even

allowing for the fact that our gold subscription to the IMF

will be offset by a gold deposit here by the Fund.

Most of this projected $1-1/2 billion decline in our

gold stock seems to me already in the cards, even if no one

else follows French advice, and even if the U.S. payments

situation develops favorably. The importance of making sure

that it does develop favorably lies in the imperative need

to avoid further foreign official dollar gains and gold

conversions next year.

Chairman Martin noted that at the joint meeting of the Board and

the Reserve Bank Presidents on February 18 Mr. Young had reported on the

recent meeting of Working Party 3 in Paris.

There had been a subsequent

Paris meeting, on February 17 and 18, of the Economic Policy Committee,

which Mr. Daane had attended.

He invited Mr. Daane to comment on that

meeting.

Mr. Daane said that he would summarize briefly the flavor of the

discussion at the E.P.C. meeting, which covered some of the same ground

as the meeting Mr. Young had reported on.

First, some dissatisfaction

was expressed with the short-term measures the British had taken to deal

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with their balance of payments problem.

that they had not done enough.

The feeling was quite general

The focus of attention was on the U.K.

budget; there were repeated admonitions to the effect that a tougher

budget was necessary and that it should be redesigned to release resources

for production of exports.

With respect to the U.S. situation, Mr. Daane said, the attitude

seemed to be one of welcoming the program the President had outlined and

hoping that it would prove successful.

At tne same time, there seemed to

be general skepticism regarding the effectiveness of moral suasion, partic

ularly with respect to its probable impact on U.S. direct investments

abroad.

The view was expressed that the U.S. should have included monetary

policy in the program and should definitely resort to monetary policy

measures if evidence appeared that the President's program was not having

sufficient effect.

A final highlight, Mr. Daane remarked, were the signs, particularly

with respect to the Germans, of real sensitivity to continued direct invest

ment by U.S. corporations.

Prior to this meeting the staff had prepared and distributed cer

tain questions and responses for consideration by the Committee.

These

materials were as follows:

(1) Business activity--To what extent does the present pace of

economic activity depend on production for inventories, and what

are the prospects for the economy when the rate of inventory

accumulation is reduced?

Accumulation of inventories, particularly of steel in

anticipation of a strike, has been and continues to be an

important element sustaining the advanced level of industrial

production, but it is important to note that the rise in out

put over the past six months has been widespread among major

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industries. Steel's principal contribution to rising output

came early in 1964. Since July further increases in steel

output have been limited by capacity considerations, while

the production of consumer durable goods, apparel, and business

equipment has accelerated. It therefore is an oversimplification

to assume that the current rapid pace of expansion in industrial

activity is primarily dependent on inventory adjustments to

past (auto) and prospective (steel) strikes.

Nevertheless, the substantial accumulation of inventories

now going on is distorting the structure of production suff

ciently to pose a potential problem for coming months. Staff

estimates based on detailed study of production trends by

industry and by stage of fabrication suggest that industrial

output currently is exceeding consumption by a margin equal

to about 4 per cent of output as against a more usual margin

of about 1 per cent. The annual rate of inventory accumula

tion in January and February may well have been on the order

of $10 billion on a GNP basis, triple the rate prevailing

through most of 1964, with about a third of the total occur

ring in steel and autos, mainly the former.

If steel accumulation continues at current rates until

the official contract termination date of May 1, stocks would

then be higher than they were at the earlier peaks in 1962

and mid-1963, when strike threats also induced accumulation.

A wage settlement, or even a temporary continuation of the

present contract under conditions which suggest ultimate settle

ment without a strike, probably would result in sharp cutbacks

in steel orders and production--perhaps enough a depress the

total production index by as much as two percentage points.

If this were concomitant with a cutback in auto production

from present exceptionally high levels because, say, dealers'

stocks finally reached their usual spring peak, another one

half of a point would be subtracted from the index. To these

direct effects must be added also the effect of declines in

supplying industries. In dollar terms, the combined effect

of such a reduction in steel and auto output with accompanying

inventory decumulation might exert an initial downdrag on GNP

by some $8 billion, annual rate, in late spring and early summer.

In the event of a strike, the amount of inventory liquidation,

and the consequent impact on GNP, would obviously be much

sharper.

In light of the continuing strength being displayed in

other sectors of output and demand, the rough orders of mag

nitude cited above do not suggest the inevitability of reces

sion when steel inventory accumulation ceases and/or auto

production adjusts downward from its present phrenetic pace.

They do, however, suggest a check to the rate of economic

expansion, unless other forces, including fiscal policy,

provide a sufficiently stimulative offset.

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(2) Prices--In view of the current high rate of capacity

utilization in many industries, what are the prospects for

price stability?

Present high rates of industrial capacity utilization

have not upset the general stability of prices that has

prevailed over the past six years. The rise in the industrial

wholesale price index last fall--sparked mainly by shortages

and production bottlenecks in nonferrous metals--has not been

reversed, but neither has the price advance become cumulative

or broader in scope.

Utilization rates implied in most forecasts for further

economic expansion are not, in themselves, inconsistent with

continued overall price stability. Moreover, some of the

important cases of current high utilization rates are clearly

temporary.

One of the fortunate developments of this business expan

sion has been that spending for plant and equipment picked up,

and presumably the rise in capacity accelerated, long before

output generally reached high rates in relation to capacity.

By the end of 1962 output of business equipment was up more

than a tenth from the highs of 1957 and 1960, and since 1962,

such output has increased nearly a fifth further. Prospects

for increases in capacity commensurate with rising output are

more favorable than in earlier expansions in the postwar period.

Rates of capacity utilization, however, are only one of

many important influences on prices. In recent years business

pricing decisions have been strongly conditioned by longer

term competitive considerations, including the development of

new products and new methods, the installation of new, cost

reducing equipment, and increased substitutability of other

products and other sources of supply, foreign as well as

domestic.

Potential destabilizing forces could, however, develop

out of changes in international tensions, particularly the

Southeast Asian situation. Another important influence on

the future course of industrial commodity prices is what

happens to steel wages and prices this spring, in part because

of the potential repercussions on other wage settlements and

in part because of the cost impact of price changes in so

important a material as steel. Both last year's auto settle

ment and the current record activity in the steel industry

no doubt strengthen the union's case for increases in wages

and fringes above the 2 - 2-1/2 per cent per year increases

of the 1962 and 1963 contracts, and internal union dissension

may result in large demands. But management resistance may

be fostered by uncertainty over the extent to which any cost

increases can be passed on to buyers under present competitive

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conditions. The Administration's wage and price guideposts

may also serve to moderate the terms of the settlement and

its consequences for prices.

(3) Balance of payments--To what extent does the fourth

quarter deterioration in the U.S. balance of payments now

appear to have resulted from temporary influences?

In the fourth quarter, the seasonally adjusted deficit

on "regular" transactions was $1,450 million, $770 million

larger than in the third quarter and $700 million larger

than the quarterly average for the year. At least $500

million of the fourth-quarter deficit (i.e., two-thirds of

the deterioration from the third quarter) is attributable

to certain definable temporary influences. Even without

these influences, however, the fourth-quarter deficit still

would have been disturbingly large--about $900 million.

The main temporary development was the bulge in new

foreign security issues to $585 million, seasonally adjusted,

up $420 million from the third quarter and $320 million

above the average for the year. The bulge occurred mainly

in Canadian issues, which had been postponed earlier pending

enactment of the IET. The expectation that new foreign issues

in 1965 will be at about the same rate as in 1964 implies that

the temporary element in fourth-quarter issues may be put at

something over $300 million. In January-February 1965, new

issues were again large--$300-$350 millon--but this sum

includes $181 million of a single IBRD issue; the remainder,

seasonally adjusted, is not very different from the average

expected for 1965.

A second adverse factor in the fourth quarter was the

waiver of the scheduled U.K. year-end debt service payments

of $138 million.

Capital outflows reported by U.S. banks rose much more

than seasonally in the fourth quarter, but it is hard to say

how much of the rise could be regarded as "temporary."

Net

long-term bank lending of $330 million, seasonally adjusted,

was up about $100 million from both the third quarter and the

quarterly average for the year, but much of this increase

should probably be viewed as part of a rising trend. If there

was any acceleration of term-loan disbursements in anticipation

of Government measures to restrain capital outflows, it was

far smaller than in January 1965, when long-term bank lending

shot up to $215 million in a single month.

Short-term outflows reported by U.S. banks of $440 million,

seasonally adjusted, were up about $250 million from the third

quarter and $60 million from the quarterly average for the year.

Unadjusted, the outflow was heavily concentrated in December,

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and some of it (in addition to the portion allowed for by

seasonal adjustments) may have been temporary, flowing back

rather early in the new year. The January 1965 return flow

of $170 million (unadjusted) points in this direction. There

have been similar large January reflows in some other recent

years, but this year's net reflow occurred despite reported

efforts of some institutions to place funds abroad in anticipa

tion of Government restructions.

So far there is little evidence on which to judge whether

there were temporary movements, favorable or unfavorable, in

other "regular" transactions during the fourth quarter. The

balance of these transactions, on which little detail is yet

available, was about the same as in earlier quarters of 1964.

(4)

Bank credit and money.

A. Is the recent contraseasonal strength in bank loan

demands likely to continue, or has it been a response

to special influences likely to diminish in the near

term?

Available information suggests that a good part of the

recent unusual strength of bank loan demand is temporary. This

increased demand has been confined almost exclusively to busi

ness loans, where borrowing has been affected by a combination

of special circumstances. These temporary factors, however,

do not account for all of the loan bulge. With the economy

recently showing an accelerated rate of expansion and with

internal sources of business funds probably growing less

rapidly than financing needs, a strengthening in the under

lying trend of business loan expansion may also be in progress.

The recent acceleration in business borrowing has been

much sharper than usually has been associated with increases

in business activity at present rates. From a fairly steady

pace of $400-$500 million per month over the first 11 months

of 1964, the seasonally adjusted increase in business loans

rose to $800 million in December, $1.7 billion in January,

and $1.1 billion (preliminary estimate) in February.

Factors which probably accounted for most of this year's

bulge are the following: First, the dock strike, which tied

up a substantial volume of both incoming and outgoing mer

chandise shipments, is reported to have been mainly responsible

for the contraseasonal rise in commodity dealer loans this

year. The strike may also have contributed to the recent strong

loan demand by food processors and possibly trade concerns as

well. Second, inventory accumulation to hedge against a possible

steel strike probably accounts for most of the contraseasonal

rise in the metals group. The contribution of such borrowing

to the January-February loan bulge may have been on the order

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of $150 million a month. Third, the pace of foreign lending

rose rapidly in recent months, presumably in anticipation of

restrictive Government measures. Foreign term lending in

January amounted to more than $200 million according to pre

liminary estimates. Fourth, a loan of about $100 million

was extended to a petroleum company in mid-February to acquire

a large block of its stock.

The impact of some of these factors on loan expansion may

continue for a while, but at a diminishing rate. Liquidation

of the loan bulge connected with the dock strike may be expected

shortly. Steel inventory accumulation presumably will continue

until a strike occurs or the threat of a strike is removed.

Foreign lending will need to taper off soon if banks are to

hold outstandings within their proposed ceilings, although

some further expansion may occur in the near term because of

prior commitments.

The total impact of these temporary influences on business

loan expansion since the turn of the year may have amounted to

as much as $600 million per month. But this still leaves a

residual expansion substantially larger than the average monthly

increase in 1964. Some of this residual may reflect early bor

rowing in anticipation of large tax payments in March and April,

but some undoubtedly reflects the general strength in business

activity.

B.

To what extent has the reduced rate of expansion in

the money supply since November been a reflection of

the higher rates offered on time and savings deposits?

What are the implications of probable time and savings

deposit growth in the near term for the money supply?

Preliminary estimates indicate a substantial decline in

the money supply in February, offsetting the moderate increases

in December and January and bringing the money stock back to

the November level. This recent money supply performance in

large part probably reflects the accelerated growth in time

and savings deposits. However, a rise in U.S. Government

deposits (seasonally adjusted) also has tended to moderate

money growth over this period.

The months following previous increases in Regulation Q

ceilings also saw sharp increases in time and savings deposits

and moderation in the growth of money as the public adjusted

its liquid asset holdings to changed market alternatives.

Much of the initial adjustment takes the form of one-time shifts

out of money and other highly liquid financial assets into time

and savings deposits. The pattern of changes since November

suggests that the public's response to this change in Regulation Q

is broadly similar to that following earlier revisions.

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Rate increases, together with the extensive publicity

accorded them, presumably account for most of the surge in

savings deposit inflow since year-end. Banks generally also

have increased their outstanding negot:able CDs substantially

since year-end. Some banks have been promoting new nonnego

tiable savings and investment certificates, designed to

attract funds from small businesses and other investors

unable to acquire negotiable CDs.

Judging from the limited historical experience, it seems

likely that the recent rates of growth of savings and time

deposits will moderate soon. In periods following previous

ceiling rate increases, the influence of one-time shifts from

other assets lasted about one quarter. Moreover, as loan

demands from the temporary influences discussed above in

answer to question 4A recede, banks probably will reduce

their issuance of relatively high-cost CDs.

Correspondingly, growth in the money suppy over the near

term may accelerate. Additional economies in cash utiliza

tion stimulated by current higher yields on liquid assets

may have some moderating influence on money growth, but trans

actions needs for money, related mainly to the pace of busi

ness activity, are likely to be more directly reflected in

demands for cash balances in coming months.

(5)

Money and credit markets.

A. Has the recent shift in policy been fully reflected

in the principal money and capital markets, or are

further market adjustments likely?

Market participants generally have come to the conclusion

that a mild policy shift toward less ease has been effectuated.

Most assume the policy objectives include a lower, and at times

negative, level of free reserves, and a 3-month bill rate in

the neighborhood of the discount rate. In other words, market

participants do not now seem to expect much more firming than

already has developed during the past three weeks.

Partly because the recent policy shift has been only

moderate in scope and is being so interpreted by active in

vestors, the related adjustment in capital markets also has

been moderate. The upward movement in long-term U.S. Govern

ment rates has been relatively small, despite the unfavorable

technical position of the Treasury bond market. Adjustments

in corporate and municipal bond markets have been larger, in

part reflecting the unusual strength in these markets in

December and January, and in part the growing calendar of

new corporate and municipal issues. Upward pressures stem

ming from those forces have been tempered, however, by Treas

ury and System purchases of coupon issues during the past two

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weeks; these purchases have tended to buttress a market view,

encouraged by Administration statements, that long-term rates

are not likely to rise much.

Assuming no further change in policy, short-term rates

might still show some seasonal rise, with the most likely

time coming around the March tax and dividend dates. But

if the rise is small enough to avoid generating expectations

of a discount rate increase, the odds are against a signifi

cent furtner weakening in the long-term market. The tech

nical position of the U.S. Government securities market is

gradually improving, with dealer holdings of over-20-year

maturities reduced to under $300 million. However, further

enlargement of the calendar of corporate and municipal issues

and/or continuation of strong bank loan demand could produce

new upward rate pressures in both intermediate- and long-term

maturity areas.

B.

Assuming that the somewhat firmer policy adopted at

the last meeting has been communicated to and fully

reflected in the money market, what interest rate

structure and conditions of reserve availability

would be mutually consistent and best designed to

maintain the present policy posture?

Some moderate additional pressure upon the money market

is likely to develop between now and the mid-March tax and

dividend dates. This will result primarily from the needs

of corporations to make higher outlays for dividends and

taxes; their Federal income tax liability in March is esti

mated at some $6.9 billion, about one-tenth higher than last

year. While the existence of a $2.5 billion tax anticipation

bill will help smooth the pattern of payments, the period is

nonetheless likely to produce its usual temporary concentra

tion of pressures on Government security dealers and a tempo

rary rise in the basic reserve deficiency of major New York

City banks.

In recent years, such March tax date pressures have tended

to be reflected more in day-to-day financing rates than in

Treasury bill rates. This could be the pattern again in 1965,

particularly since major city banks have already pared their

Treasury bill holdings considerably in recent weeks in adjust

ment to tauter money market conditions and higher levels of

borrowing both by member banks and their customers.

In view of recent business loan strength, it seems reason

able to assume a larger amount of business borrowing for tax

purposes from banks in March. The likely pattern of loans

demand, however, is complicated by several temporary factors

(discussed in the answer to question 4A). Assuming these special

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demands recede as the weeks progress, large banks may accom

modate the tax-associated demands in the first half of March

more by bidding aggressively for short-term funds and bor

rowing from the System than by further adjustments in invest

ment portfolios. In these circumstances, one might expect

average borrowings from the Reserve Banks to fluctuate around

the $400-$450 million level; reserve availability to move into

the $0-$50 million net borrowed range; dealer loan rates to

advance to around 4-1/2 per cent; and the Federal funds rate

often to be at 4-1/8 per cent, even though bill rates might

not move outside a 3.95-4.05 per cent range. After the tax

date pressures are past, the money market might be expected

to return to the conditions prevailing in late February. Long

term interest rates probably would be little affected by these

money market developments.

Assuming no change in the posture of monetary policy and

continued large inflows of time and savings deposits, the

interest rate and marginal reserve developments outlined

above could be consistent with little change in reserves

behind private demand deposits, apart from seasonal movements.

Such reserves declined a little in January and substantially

in February.

Chairnan Martin then called for the go-around of comments and

views on economic conditions and monetary policy, beginning with Mr. Hayes,

who made the following statement:

1. Business activity. The domestic business situation

remains favorable--perhaps, if anything, a bit more favorable

than at the beginning of the year. The prospects for first

half growth being sustained in the second half of 1965 now

seem brighter than they did. Production gains in January were

well diffused throughout the economy. Retail sales appear to

continue at the high January level, and a record auto year is

generally forecast. There are further signs that the decline

in residential construction may be bottoming out. Unemploy

ment in January was at the lowest level since October 1957.

The chief uncertainty is of course steel, with further delays

in a wage settlement now indicated. Steel inventory accumula

tion was substantial in the fourth quarter of 1964 and is

probably continuing; but for manufacturing as a whole inventory

sales ratios in December remained at a low level.

2. Prices. Industrial wholesale prices were about un

changed in January, but readings thus far in February suggest

a renewed rise, after allowance for seasonal factors. Price

announcements continue to be predominantly on the upside.

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Clearly we must be alert to the threat of more intense cost

and price pressures.

3. Balance of payments. Our basic balance of payments

position has been obscured by the very large transfer to

foreign accounts in January and more particularly in early

February in anticipation of various measures that had been

rumored would be part of the President's balance of payments

message. It was unusual to have an overall deficit in

January despite the reversal of special year-end outflows.

For the first half of February the deficit may well have

exceeded $500 million. Our large annual deficits have con

tinued almost unchecked, and as a result our ability to

finance the deficit by any means other than gold sales has

been severely curtailed. The outlook is for further heavy

gold sales in the coming months. Sterling has strengthened,

but many uncertainties remain ano the international situation,

both financial and political, is tense and potentially explo

sive. In these circumstances we must be prepared for quick

defensive action.

Fortunately the program of voluntary restraint on foreign

bank lending is off to a good start and, together with the

related programs with respect to corporations and nonbank

financial institutions, should begin to produce significant

results in a few months; but these programs will not be easy

to administer and will call for steady resistance to pres

sures by various interests, public and private, that would

water down their effectiveness.

4. Bank credit and money. Total bank credit advanced

very strongly in January on a seasonally adjusted basis,

with total loans (adjusted) showing the largest increase on

record. For the thirteen months ending with January the net

increase in bank credit was at an annual rate of 8.3 per cent,

as compared with 7.4 per cent for the same period a year ago.

Although the growth of business loans in January reflects

several special factors--including a spurt in bank loans to

foreigners, and the effects of the steel strike threat and

the actual dock strike--basic domestic Loan demand also

appears to be strong. This impression is confirmed by the

results of our recent survey of loan projections at eight large

New York City banks.

The money supply was still on a 4 per cent per annum

growth trend in January; but time deposits scored a record

advance in the month. Undoubtedly the higher interest rates

offered on time and savings deposits have been an important

cause of this time deposit growth. Banks seem to have been

able even to attract some funds from savings and loan associa

tions.

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5. Money and credit markets. The financial markets have

concluded that a mild shift in policy has taken place and have

about completed their adjustment to it. Some further firming

of intermediate and long rates could take place, especially if

short rates should push somewhat higher in view of the tax and

dividend dates that loom ahead. On the other hand, continued

substantial flows of funds into the longer-term markets seem

to provide a good deal of insurance against any substantial

upward rate movements in this area.

Monetary policy. For the time being the System should

focus its efforts on making the restraints on capital outflows

work and might well leave monetary policy about where it is.

As the Chairman wisely and realistically stated before the

Joint Economic Committee the other day. if the program does

not work we shall probably have to move to a policy of tighter

money in order to make the attack on the problem a full success.

In try judgment the balance of payments problem is now too

critical to permit the risk of failure.

We should also be scrutinizing closely the rate of bank

credit expansion over the coming months. Some slowdown would

be desirable, apart from the expected slowdown in foreign

lending; but we may find that credit demand is so strong that

a slowdown will require a somewhat more restrictive policy.

Open market operations should be conducted in the next

three weeks in such a way as to confirm the modest change of

posture voted at the last meeting. To me this means that free

reserves should be more often below zero than above, and the

bill rate should fluctuate around 4 per cent, with swings

above that level more frequent than dips below 4 per cent.

From a psychological standpoint this sort of confirmation of

posture seems to me very important as we embark on the volun

tary restraint program. Such criticisms as are heard of the

program are usually based on the contention that Government,

including monetary policy, is not contributing enough to the

payments solution while a heavy burden is being placed on

private finance and industry. We should make clear that we

are doing our part.

I like the wording of the directive as drafted by the

staff, which takes note of the President's balance of payments

program and expresses the System's support, besides dropping

the reference to Treasury financing and indicating a need to

maintain the firmer money market conditions established in

recent weeks.

Mr. Ellis reported that steady expansion continued to prevail

in the New England economy with manufacturing employment and output

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pushing to new highs.

Further expansion was anticipated in the views

of manufacturers reporting in the Boston Reserve Bank's quarterly

survey of expectations.

Fourth-quarter 1964 sales substantially ex

ceeded earlier expectations of these manufacturers and buttressed

their outlook for the present quarter.

Their preliminary reports con

cerning capital outlays for 1965 suggested a further rise in the rate

of such investment but the returns were too incomplete to support an

estimate of how much.

Savings deposit balances in the Bank's reporting sample of 80

mutual savings banks rose by 0.7 per cent in January, Mr. Ellis con

tinued.

New deposits, interest credits, and withdrawals all increased

from December; the net result brought gains in deposit balances from

January of last. year to almost 9 per cent.

This flow of funds was

sufficient to hold unchanged at 5-1/4 per cent the interest rates Boston

savings banks charged on

conventional type mortgage loans even though

demand, as reflected in contract awards, was running impressively above

a year ago.

Mr. Ellis commented that total residential contract awards in

New England were 34 per cent higher in December than a year earlier.

Their total for 1964 was 19 per cent above that for 1963, compared with

a national increase of only 0.3 per cent.

As of February 17, this

strength in demand had been translated into an 18 per cent year-to-year

growth in real estate loans at First District weekly reporting banks;

such demand had been especially strong in the last several weeks.

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Turning to the agenda questions, Mr. Ellis noted that the

first question, relating to business activity, naturally focused on

inventories.

Granting that the special situations in steel and autos

dominated immediate prospects for the economy, the fundamental strength

underlying the whole spectrum of demand was what in his judgment would

predominate during the months further ahead.

There did not appear to

be any substantial reason to question that strength for the rest of

the year.

Incomes were high and rising, consumer spending expectations

were optimistic, and all of this was contributing to the inventory surge.

As to the second question, concerning prices, Mr. Ellis thought

the price stability rested on capacity and output high enough to out

weigh rising demand, both real and speculative.

The trend of events

in Viet Nam raised new threats that speculative demands, reinforced by

ready credit availability, would tip the scales toward price increases,

and toward the boom-bust cycle referred to by Mr. Noyes.

The staff response to the third question suggested, Mr. Ellis

said, that because the fourth-quarter surge in the balance of payments

deficit appeared largely traceable to capital outflows, including bank

lending, it seemed logical to expect the voluntary credit restraint

program to have the effect of making the fourth-quarter deterioration

temporary.

However, he failed to find in the present program any

measures that offered reassurance that the $2 billion rate of deficit

existing prior to the special events of the fourth quarter was being

resolved.

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Mr. Ellis observed that the agenda question on bank credit was

concerned with possible reasons for "the recent contraseasonal strength

in bank loan demands."

Quite obviously such temporary factors as the

dock strike, the steel labor negotiations, and foreign lending had

contributed extra strength to demand.

But the more important underlying

and longer-run consideration was the continuation of very sharp rates of

bank credit expansion.

Since July total bank credit had expanded at an

annual rate of almost 9 per cent and this was almost by definition un

sustainable.

He was concerned about the large increase in Federal Re

serve credit on the basis of which this bank credit expansion had occurred.

That, Mr. Ellis said, raised the issue of the appropriate course

for monetary policy.

Mr. Noyes had posed the controversial question of

whether or not some demands could be deferred; in his judgment one cer

tainly could hope that that was possible.

The Committee might already

have waited too long, particularly if there were lags in the effects of

policy actions.

The positive response of bankers to the voluntary

restraint program seemed to assure that there would be some reduction

in foreign lending by banks.

To the extent such reduction was achieved,

more funds would be available to domestic borrowers.

The recent degree

of credit availability, in his judgment, would continue to support un

sustainable expansion in domestic lending.

Mr. Ellis said that he had been disappointed to hear from Mr.

Stone that the market adjustment to the action taken at the previous

meeting had been completed; he would rather have heard that it was still

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in process.

He thought the slight firming trend in policy should be

continued for the next three weeks.

Differences in viewpoints as to

the appropriate degree of firmness were small but important, and the

Committee's targets should be defined carefully in the instructions

given to the Manager.

In this connection, he regretted that the staff

had not prepared a "trial" directive for this meeting, but he understood

the frustrations involved in laboring over a document that was rarely

considered.

His own preferences for policy targets, Mr. Ellis said, would

be net borrowed reserves generally in the range of zero to $50 million;

short-term bill rates in the range of 3.95-4.10 per cent, and generally

above the discount rate; Federal funds rates usually at or above the

discount rate; and member bank borrowings averaging $400 million or more.

He favored no discount rate action at this time.

Mr. Irons reported that the general economic situation in the

Southwest was one of strength.

stable levels.

Activity was at high and relatively

Industrial production was holding steady, and there were

indications that it might move up slightly further over the next month

or two.

Employment promised to show some improvement in the next few

months and perhaps to move up to record levels.

ment rate was below that of the nation.

The District's unemploy

There had been a decline in

construction contracts from the very high levels of the past few months.

Agricultural conditions were spotty, depending on the amount of rain in

particular areas, and cash farm receipts currently were running below

a year ago, but it was too early to say whether the change was significant.

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Retail sales at department stores in the District were at record levels,

and new car registrations were quite high.

Mr. Irons observed that bank loan demand was very strong in the

District, as it was in the nation.

As elsewhere, time and savings deposits

were up substantially at District banks and demand deposits were down a

bit.

Demand for Federal funds was strong, and the average volume of

discounting had risen in the past three weeks.

Apparently, as soon as

the market showed signs of firming, the larger banks found it necessary

to restore their reserve positions by buying funds at rates up to 4-1/8

per cent or by borrowing from the Reserve Bank.

However, discounting

was limited primarily to a relatively small number of banks.

The national situation, Mr. Irons said, also showed evidence of

strength and the trend certainly was expansionary.

As to monetary policy,

he noted that the Committee had made a significant move toward less ease

during the past four weeks.

The market situation was now firmer, and

participants in the market had recognized the change.

He favored con

tinuing the degree of firmness that had existed in recent weeks.

He

agreed with the figures the staff had given in response to the final

question on likely developments under the present posture of policy,

and, more generally, he agreed with their conclusions in answering all

of the questions.

He favored maintaining marginal reserve availability

fluctuating around zero, and on the negative side more often than on

the positive.

He thought dealer loan rates might rise a little, and

would expect the Federal funds rate to be at 4 per cent and occasionally

higher.

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Mr. Irons said that he had some qualms about permitting the

bill rate to move significantly above the discount rate at this time

to the 4.10 or 4.15 per cent area, except perhaps for a day or two.

Such a development might engender the feeling that a further move

toward restraint was being made and might stimulate speculation about

the possibility of another change in the discount rate.

That would

be undesirable, in his judgment, in view of the fact that the voluntary

credit restraint program had just been launched.

Were it not for that

factor, he definitely would favor a firmer policy.

He did not favor

a change in the discount rate at this time.

Mr. Swan commented that the basic economic situation in the

Twelfth District seemed to be good but it was not entirely consistent

with that in the nation.

The unemployment rate in the Pacific Coast

States, which had dropped in December, increased again in January in

contrast with a decrease at the national level.

Agricultural employment

declined in January, and while nonagricultural employment as a whole rose

slightly manufacturing employment again went down rather significantly.

There had been a much larger decline in housing starts, relative both

to December and to January 1964, in the West than in the rest of the

nation.

Lumber prices were reduced from the highs reached after the

recent floods but were still somewhat above pre-flood levels.

As spring approached, Mr. Swan said, there was a good deal of

uncertainty about both the availability and cost of agricultural labor

with the end of the bracero program.

This uncertainty seemed to be

reflected in the attitudes of processors with respect to their contracts

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with growers and in the attitudes of lending institutions with regard

to financing arrangements.

It was too early to say exactly what effect

the labor situation would have on those areas but there did seem to be

somewhat more caution than there was a year ago.

The nonferrous metals

markets remained tight and the copper situation was being aggravated

by the dock strike.

Steel production in the District remained at high

levels with some indications of shipments of structural steel to the

Midwest.

Mr. Swan remarked that weekly reporting banks in the District,

as elsewhere, had large increases in commercial and industrial loans in

the four weeks ending February 17--much larger than in the equivalent

period a year ago.

However, there was a slight decline in real estate

loans in contrast to a very substantial increase in the same period last

year.

Borrowings from the Reserve Bank in the last three weeks had not

risen at the same rate as in the rest of the country.

Mr. Swan said he was still uncertain as to how to interpret the

inventory situation.

He could not arrive at an adequate explanation

of the increase in inventories other than of steel and autos; perhaps

it simply reflected the general rise in business activity.

He had been

unable thus far to find any evidence of speculative inventory accumula

tion in anticipation of higher prices.

As a negative conclusion this

might be considered a little suspect, but at least in the Twelfth District

there was not much indication of overheating.

Mr. Swan was inclined to agree with Mr. Koch's analysis of the

significance of the recent acceleration in growth of time and savings.

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deposits.

Developments in the Twelfth District were consistent with

the staff's conclusion that the time depcsit growth rate might well

moderate somewhat after the one-time adjustment to higher interest rates,

although some further growth in savings deposits might be expected.

It seemed to Mr. Swan that, following the shift in policy at

the previous meeting in support of the national balance of payments

program, it would be desirable to hold policy unchanged until some in

dication was available of the effectiveness of that program.

He did not

think there had been enough change in the domestic situation to warrant

a further policy shift.

Like Mr. Irons, he would not quarrel with the

quantities mentioned in the staff response to the last question, and

he endorsed Mr. Irons' remarks about the undesirability at the mcment

of having a bill rate constantly above the discount rate.

He agreed

that the slightly firmer conditions recently achieved should be main

tained

but he did not think that the firming should be carried further

at this point.

In this connection he noted that the staff's expectations

with regard to levels of borrowings, free reserves, Federal funds rates,

and so forth, were related to some extent to the fact that the period

immediately ahead included the March 15 tax date.

The staff response

said that "After the tax date pressures are past, the money market might

be expected to return to the conditions prevailing in late February."

It was useful to note that the conditions referred to were those existing

subsequent to the change in policy.

satisfactory to Mr. Swan.

The staff's draft directive was

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Mr. Strothman commented that the present continuing economic

expansion in the Ninth District would seem to be explainable in part,

but by no means entirely, as stemming from construction and the steel

related industries--notably mining.

had improved markedly.

Employment in those industries

However, other industries, including retail

trade, services, and durable goods, also had shown sharp employment

increases.

in 13 years.

January unemployment in Minnesota was at the lowest rate

The Minneapolis Bank's opinion surveys continued to re

flect modest optimism but with some pessimism from predominantly

agricultural areas.

In banking, Mr. Strothman said, in recent weeks the District

had experienced a heavier-than-usual decline in demand deposits and a

more-than-seasonal increase in loans.

The extent to which inventory

buying had spurred loan demand was not clear.

Nor was it clear from

available data that demand deposit growth had slowed in the District

because of the availability of higher time-deposit rates.

Mr. Scanlon, in commenting on the first question, reported that

the trend of business in the Seventh District appeared to be vigorous

and healthy, aside from unsustainable rates of inventory accumulation

in the steel and motor vehicle industries.

Employment in most areas

continued to edge up, and unemployment rolls continued to be reduced

gradually.

Retail sales had been strong.

There had been a tendency to raise projections of activity both

for the economy as a whole and for individual firms and industries, Mr.

Scanlon observed.

There was less concern about a leveling or decline

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in general business in the second half of the year.

Forecasts of sales

of passenger cars close to the 9 million level in 1965 (down from the

rate thus far) were widely thought to be possible of achievement.

A

large Chicago steel firm expected 122 million ingot tons of steel to

be produced this year with a 17 per cent decline from the first half of

the year to the second.

Orders for business equipment had been higher

than expected, and a 10 per cent rise in total capital outlays from 1964

to 1965 seemed reasonable to informed people with whom he had talked.

Mr. Scanlon remarked that a vague uneasiness existed among

bankers and businessmen concerning the balance of payments situation

and the problems of Southeast Asia.

It was suggested that these condi

tions constituted a threat to the continuance of prosperity, but there

was little evidence that such fears had influenced business decisions.

Statements of executives of General Motors and Ford, issued

early last week, that they had reached their goals of acquiring an

additional 60-day supply of steel were greeted with surprise and out

right skepticism in trade circles, Mr. Scanlon said.

Reports persisted

that steel producers were falling further behind on promised delivery

schedules.

Allocation procedures were being enforced strictly and many

smaller users of steel had not been able to build inventories.

Except

for steel and autos there was little evidence of inventory building in

excess of operating needs.

Mr. Scanlon agreed with the staff statement on the second ques

tion, relating to prices.

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ally with the staff reply although he was not thoroughly convinced that

several of the factors described as temporary in nature actually were

as temporary as the staff response implied.

Mr. Scanlon also agreed generally with the staff answer to part A

of the fourth question, relating to bank credit and money.

However, he

felt the underlying trend in bank loan demand might be stronger than

was implied in the staff statement and that corporate tax needs in mid

March might be greater than usual.

The widespread distribution of the

loan increases, both geographically and by industry group, suggested

that they were due not only to special and temporary influences but also

to a basically strong demand that was likely to persist at least for

some weeks ahead.

With respect to question 4B, Mr. Scanlon said he was unable to

provide a satisfactory answer to the first part, regarding the relation

between the higher rates on time and savings deposits and the reduced

rate of expansion in the money supply.

For the near term, he did not

foresee any unusual movements in time and savings deposit growth that

would have material implications for the money supply.

This assumed,

of course, that the level of short-term yields would remain roughly where

it was at present in relation to ceilings under Regulation Q.

The "reduced rate of expansion in the money supply since November"

appeared to Mr. Scanlon to be noticeable for the most part because it

occurred against the backdrop of the unusually large monthly gains around

the middle of the year, particularly in June and July.

The substantial

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increases that took place at that time might well have been related to

the March tax cut, then working itself out in terms of its impact upon

aggregate income.

Mr. Scanlon said he had nothing to add to the staff comment on

part A of question 5 beyond noting that the municipal market might show

some further upward rate adjustment as a result of the tighter bank

reserve positions.

He was in general agreement with staff statement

on part B, except that if the underlying loan demand was strong, as he

suspected it was, following the March tax payments banks' reserve posi

tions would not return promptly to the conditions prevailing in February.

Mr. Scanlon said he agreed with those who favored continuation

of the policy in effect over the past three weeks.

He was a little

unhappy about the reference in the directive proposed by the staff to

accommodating growth in the money supply "at a more moderate pace than

in recent months" when the most recent money supply figures showed a

decline.

However, he was inclined to accept the draft directive because

he thought the Committee's position was made clear in the second para

graph.

he did not favor a change in the discount rate at present.

Mr. Clay said it would appear appropriate to him to continue

monetary policy unchanged at this time.

A policy move had been made

at the last meeting, and that change apparently had been implemented.

It remained to be seen, however, how sensitive longer-term interest rates

might prove to be.

That policy move was only a part of a larger package

of special measures designed to deal with the international payments

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deficit.

It would appear logical, he thought, to maintain the new

monetary policy posture essentially unchanged at this juncture as the

new program of special measures was applied.

In the meantime, a close

watch could be kept on both domestic and international developments.

The performance of the domestic economy was in some ways

rather impressive, Mr. Clay said.

It was impressive to observe the

ability of the economy at this advanced stage of the upswing to absorb

the impact of recent developments in steel and autos without exhibiting

the serious strains characteristic of a boom.

It also was impressive

in terms of the widespread nature of industrial activity as discussed

by the staff's response to the questions submitted for consideration.

The latter aspect might help cushion the inevitable readjustment in

the steel, automobile, and related industries.

Nevertheless, it would

be very important to keep the expected readjustments in those industries

in perspective in formulating monetary policy in the months ahead.

The

growing capacity of the economy pointed to the need for continued expan

sion in aggregate demand, particularly when those immediate factors had

run their course.

Price developments also were on the encouraging side, Mr. Clay

said.

The staff answers rightly suggested the possibility of a continua

tion of favorable price developments so far as demand forces were con

cerned, apart from possible international tensions.

It remained true

that the more serious threat of upward price pressures rather came on

the cost side, from the outcome of the steel industry labor contract

negotiations.

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The staff analysis of the current loan expansion appeared

logical to Mr. Clay in view of the special developments that had taken

place in the economy.

The impact of the temporary factors could not

be measured, but they must be very large, as suggested by the staff

estimates.

The temporary acceleration in loan expansion resulting from

the dock strike and the threatened steel strike would appear to have

limited meaning for the formulation of monetary policy.

The bulge that

apparently took place in loan volume in anticipation of international

payments restrictions presumably should work itself out in the period

ahead as the international payments program went into effect.

In carrying out monetary policy for the period ahead, Mr. Clay

said, it should be the aim to maintain money market conditions in line

with those that had prevailed in recent weeks.

This would include a

90-day Treasury bill rate in the range of 3.95 to 4.05 per cent.

The

staff draft of the economic policy directive would be suitable for a

continuation of the current policy posture.

In his judgment no change

should be made in the discount rate.

Mr. Wayne remarked that, in view of the past month's develop

ments, it would seem that the move toward a slightly firmer policy made

at the Committee's last meeting was an appropriate one.

The balance

of payments problem remained the key element in the present situation.

If the voluntary program was reasonably successful in reducing the out

flow of funds and perhaps in producing some return flow, a considerably

slower rate of growth in total bank lending would be necessary to prevent

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an undue expansion in domestic credit.

A lower availability of reserves

would be the most appropriate way to encourage and induce such a contrac

tion.

Domestically, Mr. Wayne observed, economic and financial develop

ments of recent weeks also indicated the desirability of a firm policy,

but those conditions could change quickly.

If a continued high level of

activity could be counted on some credit restraint would be in order to

curb domestic prices.

But the present level of activity could not be taken for granted,

Mr. Wayne said.

Almost certainly, steel production would be cut back

rather sharply in the next two or three months.

It was doubtful whether

automobile sales could be maintained for long at the present feverish

pace.

Construction, even if it could hold its present level, did not

promise any significant gain.

Stagnation or declines in those three

major areas at the same time would spell trouble for the economy, in

his opinion.

While the optimism of businessmen seemed to be rising

sharply, a condition which often produced excesses in the final phase

of a period of expansion, such precarious optimism should not be encour

aged by any easing of credit.

As noted by Mr. Stone, Mr. Wayne continued, the market seemed

to have completed the adjustments, at least in the short end, needed

to reflect fully the recent shift in policy.

The current relationship

of short-term rates to the discount rate was approximately what it had

been a few weeks before the last change in the discount rate.

In the

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long end, the continued heavy flow of savings approximately balanced

the strong demand and kept rates fairly stable.

But further increases

in short rates must exert considerable pressure on the longer rates.

Taking into account the need for a lower availability of reserves

to offset or induce a reduction of foreign lending, Mr. Wayne said, net

borrowed reserves of sizable amounts might be required to keep short

term rates where they were or to raise them a little.

He would not be

averse to seeing such net borrowed figures and would not like to see any

substantial amounts of free reserves.

Even so, he recognized that it

would be necessary for the Desk to provide considerable amounts of

reserves to offset the large gold losses which apparently lay ahead.

He favored a continued firm policy but no change in the discount rate

for the present.

The draft directive was acceptable to him.

Mr. Robertson made the followirg statement:

In this past month both we and the Administration

have taken major policy steps that, hopefully, will deal

adequately with the balance of payments deficit without

handicap to the achieving of our twin objective--con

tinued vigorous, noninflationary economic growth.

Nobody is sure these measures will work effectively.

The particular combination of actions is well-nigh

unique; and like any other compromise package, probably

nobody favors all parts of it. Certainly I am not partic

ularly fond of the general monetary tightening that went

along with the package. But having come forth with this

combination, I think it now behooves us to give it a

chance to show what it can do.

Insofar as the voluntary foreign loan restraint

program is concerned, our early experience reminds me

of an old saying we have out in Broken Bow country,

"You can tell how much a hog is hurt by how loud he

squeals."

Judging on that basis, the restraint program

is already doing some pinching. And, frankly, I hope

we can manage to administer our parts of it in a way

that cuts very substantially into capital outflows.

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The only reason I can see for not holding monetary

policy steady while waiting for our latest actions to

take effect is if new or exaggerated forces appear that

would push us into an inflationary spiral or a run on

the dollar if we did not act. I see no such develop

ments. We are probably already past our peak rates of

acceleration in inventory accumulation, business loans,

and bank lending abroad. Once the first quarter is

past, I suspect we could be seeing more comforting

statistics in all these areas. Now is not the time to

compound pressures by further action based on statis

tics that are still describing pre-February 12 perform

ance.

With these considerations in mind, I would vote for

a monetary policy that continued to maintain money market

and bank reserve conditions about as prevailed in the

past few weeks. While I did not favor last month's move

to tighten money market conditions further, I do not

think it would be constructive at this juncture to try

to undo that action. Looking ahead, however, I would

lay emphasis on the Manager's meeting the reserve needs

as they emerge in March without allowing any extra

measure of market pressure to develop. Modest net

borrowed reserves might result in a week or two, I

recognize, but I would not want to see a steady string

of net borrowed reserves from now until the end of

March. With this understanding, the draft of the current

directive as distributed by the staff is satisfactory to

me.

Mr. Shepardson observed that the indications of the staff reports

and other information were of a continuing strong--although possibly not

sustainable--expansionary condition in the economy.

As Mr. Ellis had

pointed out, if the program for arresting capital outflows was effective

it would result in a greater availability of funds in the domestic market.

For that reason he thought it would be desirable to continue the present

directive, calling for moving toward slightly less ease.

He favored a

range of zero to minus $50 million for free reserves, a bill rate in the

3.95-4.10 per cent range, and borrowings at the level necessary to pro

duce such conditions.

He thought the Committee's policy move at the

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previous meeting had been appropriate, but he questioned whether it

should consider the move to have been completed by the attainment of

the conditions prevailing since that meeting.

Mr. Shepardson thought that Mr. Hayes' remarks had tended in

a similar direction, although Mr. Hayes had found satisfactory the

proposed directive calling for the maintenance of current money market

conditions.

Along with Mr. Ellis, he (Mr. Shepardson) would prefer to

go a step further and move toward slightly firmer conditions, although

a drastic move certainly was not in order until there was an opportunity

to observe developments under the voluntary credit restraint program.

Mr. Mitchell said that monetary policy and expectations in the

securities market had been buffeted about on a sea of words--official

and unofficial--and as a result the market had been moving on a trend

with an ambiguous destination.

Perhaps he should defer to Mr. Stone's

judgment that the market had completed its adjustment to the recent

policy action, but he could not quite believe it; it seemed to him

that the market was highly uncertain.

Probably the best contribution

official action could make at this time would be to maintain the cur

rent degree of uneasiness.

The country's foreign friends would be happier if they believed

that the voluntary restraint program was being buttressed with some

tightening of policy, Mr. Mitchell said, and those at home who were

fearful that the domestic economy was peaking out would feel that

monetary policy was not a factor pushing the economy inexorably toward

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recession as long as bond prices, particularly in the tax-exempt field,

did not break.

But he thought a great deal of caution had to be ex

ercised in connection with any further move toward tightening, for one

reason because there still was a considerable overhang of longer-term

securities in the market.

In any case, Mr. Mitchell said, there was not too much in the

way of action on the domestic or foreign front that could be justified

in the Committee's present state of knowledge.

Domestically, the leads

and lags were such that if a recession was going to come in 1965 it was

almost here.

He did not agree with Mr. Noyes' analysis; in his judgment

a possible downturn was dangerously close.

On the foreign front the

Committee could hardly imply that the newly-conceived plan for checking

capital outflows would fail before it was off the launching pad.

Tempo

rarily, for better or worse the posture of general monetary policy had

hardened.

One could hope for an abatement of the recent rate of expansion

in business loans at banks, Mr. Mitchell continued.

He had been inclined

to agree with the staff's conclusion that much of the recent growth was

temporary.

He noted, however, that several of the Reserve Bank Presi

dents who had spoken thus far thought there was more underlying strength

than the staff had suggested, and he gave credence to their judgment.

But assuming that judgment was correct, he still did not see how one

could advocate a move to reduce the rate of bank credit growth if that

would mean a more drastic contraction in the money supply than had occurred

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in the past eight weeks.

His preference for money supply figures was

the seasonally adjusted series prepared at the St. Louis Bank; in his

judgment they gave a consisten:ly better picture of developments than

those compiled at the Board.

This series had declined at an annual

rate of about 10 per cent in the last eight weeks, after seasonal adjust

ment.

Mr. Mitchell said he felt a little nostalgic about the "trial"

directives that now had disappeared.

They had had a clear, positive

approach; there was no yielding before the hard questions.

With respect

to the draft of the regular directive, he strongly recommended deleting

the reference to accommodating growth in the money supply; in his judg

ment it would be a mistake to ignore the fact that it had declined

recently.

He suggested ending the first sentence with the phrase "to

accommodate growth in the reserve base and total bank credit."

Also,

he thought the next sentence would be a little more forthright and

stronger if it simply read "This policy seeks to support fully the national

program to strengthen the international position of the dollar," deleting

the words "and to avoid the emergence of inflationary pressures."

Mr. Daane complimented the Desk on what in his judgment had been

a highly skillful implementation of the directive the Committee had adopted

at the previous meeting; they had achieved some snugging up in reserve avail

ability and money market conditions while reinforcing the general expecta

tion that longer-term rates would prove viable.

Looking back, he had to

confess that he was a bit unhappy about the official purchases of longer-

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term securities for Treasury account since the beginning of the year,

and he was not completely convinced that the maturities chosen in

purchases for System account had been completely appropriate.

On the

whole, however, he thought the Desk had done an excellent job in attain

ing the objectives the Committee had indicated.

Mr. Daane said his policy prescription was similar to that a

number of others had expressed.

He would favor having free reserves

fluctuate close to zero but on the negative side.

With this end in

view he found the directive prepared by the staff acceptable, but he

had no strong objections to the revisions suggested by Mr. Mitchell.

Referring to the discussion after Mr. Koch's presentation of

the implications of the recent growth rate of time and savings deposits,

Mr. Daane said he found it difficult to translate the ex post equality

of saving and investment into thinking of all savings as automatically

flowing into investment and being income generating.

He preferred the

analytical approach which treated today's savings as a function of

yesterday's income and as accommodating today's investment.

In this

light he derived comfort from the high current level of savings and

viewed it as a healthy factor, necessary to accommodate a desired non

inflationary expansion in investment.

Mr. Hickman commented that it might be better to say that today's

inventory excesses were a function of yesterday's savings and yesterday's

monetary policy.

He hoped the Committee was not accentuating the unsus

tainability of present conditions.

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Mr. Hickman then complimented the staff on the excellence of

their answers to the questions posed for discussion.

He had little

to add to those answers, but thought, that an independent approach per

haps might turn up a few points that: otherwise might have been over

looked.

Business conditions in the Fourth District and in the nation

were still dominated by superheated activity in autos and steel, Mr.

Hickman said.

Since the last meeting of the Committee steel deliveries

had been lengthened, allocation systems had been reinstated, and orders

had been trimmed or rejected.

Steel production continued to run at the

annual rate of 135 to 140 million ingot tons, but most analysts believed

that output would decline sharply to aggregate about 115 to 120 million

tons for the year.

factor.

The close union election had been a highly unsettling

Extension of the bargaining beyond May 1, as some had suggested,

might aggravate the situation still further by expanding the time for

hedge buying of inventories.

Mr. Hickman noted that the auto industry also appeared to be

operating above sustainable levels, although the excess was less marked

than in steel.

Despite record sales in the past three months, inventories

by the end of February had climbed to about the year-ago level.

Both

production and sales had pretty much caught up from the strike inter

ruption, and some letdown in the auto industry was to be expected.

Nevertheless, production schedules for March continued at very high

levels.

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Accompanying the lush but ominous developments in steel and

autos, other industries, including machinery, had continued to show

moderate advances, Mr. Hickman said.

In the months and calendar

quarters ahead their continued advance would be required even to

maintain the current level of industrial production.

The question of the trend of prices was still unresolved, Mr.

Hickman continued.

There had been a number of flurries of price in

creases, followed by periods of relative calm, one of which the economy

seemed to be enjoying now.

Despite near-capacity production in autos

and steel the price line appeared to be holding at the moment.

On the

other hand, prices of aluminum products and nonelectrical machinery,

where operations were also near capacity, had been inching up.

On the balance of payments front, Mr. Hickman remarked, part

of the fourth quarter deterioration was temporary, possibly as much as

$1.5 billion of the $5.8 billion annual rate of deficit, counting factors

that contributed temporarily on both the plus and minus sides.

was surely academic at this juncture.

But that

Foreign confidence had been shaken

and massive steps were needed to restore faith in the dollar.

Insofar as bank credit was concerned, Mr. Hickman expressed the

view that part of the recent strength in business loans and in consumer

credit undoubtedly could be traced to the overheated atmosphere in autos

and steel, as well as to the dock strike and the bulge in foreign lending.

Some of the strength in business loans also could be explained by the

narrower spread in recent months between the prime rate and open-market

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rates on commercial and finance company paper.

Selective adjustments

in bank lending rates now seemed to be in process.

In Mr. Hickman's opinion, the money market had largely adjusted

to the slight shift in policy adopted at the last meeting.

But the

market for longer-term U.S. Treasury issues still had a way to go, to

judge by past experience in a free market economy.

Whether past ex

perience was a useful guide under conditions of a controlled market was

a moot question.

Both the Administration and the System had endeavored

to hold long-term interest rates below the rates that would prevail

under free competitive conditions.

The excellent chart show presented

at the last meeting raised some questions about the appropriateness of

that approach, since major adverse capital flows in the balance of pay

ments had occurred in the intermediate- and long-term areas.

Aside from his reservations about operations in the intermediate

and long-term market, Mr. Hickman thought monetary policy had been executed

appropriately and adroitly in the four weeks since the last meeting.

Over

the next three weeks, because of his concern about the domestic situation,

he would prefer to see free reserves in the range of zero to plus $50

million most of the time, but he would not be disturbed if there were

net borrowed reserves occasionally.

The bill rate should remain close

to or slightly below the discount rate, as Messrs. Irons and Swan had

suggested, and the Federal funds rate should hold at 4 per cent most of

the time.

Under the slightly firmer conditions now emerging in the money

market, Mr. Hickman thought that borrowings again would serve as a good

indicator of the degree of tightness or ease.

He would prefer to see

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borrowings at $400 million or above rather than $300 million or below.

The staff draft of the directive was acceptable to him, and he did not

regret the demise of the "trial" directive.

Mr. Bopp reported that in the Third District the strong economic

upsurges of recent months had slowed substantially.

Unemployment had

begun to increase moderately in some of the District's less-advantaged

areas, and had stopped declining in the rest.

but might have leveled off in January.

Output remained strong

Department store sales had

dropped well below the national rate of advance, and in the latest

week declined slightly from year-ago levels.

Rather than comment on each of the questions prepared by the

staff, Mr. Bopp said, he would limit his further remarks primarily to

the question of bank credit.

From a review of both national and District

trends, it appeared to him that the recent contraseasonal upturn in bank

loans and deposits was symptomatic of special circumstances superimposed

upon an otherwise moderate further expansion in business activity.

On

the national scene, the near-record expansion in business loans stemmed

largely from inventory expansion associated with strikes--the dock strike

and the threat of a steel strike--and from the apparent sizable upward

movement in foreign business loans anticipating implementation of the

Gore Amendment.

Contrary to the national picture, Mr. Bopp remarked, business

loans in the Third District had shown no more than moderate strength

this year.

One reason for this apparently was that the special factors

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stimulating loan demand in the nation were less evident in the District.

Both business loans abroad and loans to finance domestic inventories

had shown little strength.

These facts were revealed both by an examina

tion of the Reserve Bank's own figures and by a survey of District re

serve city banks.

Bankers with whom he had talked made only minor refer

ences to financing steel inventories or carrying merchandise tied up by

the dock strike.

The loan categories which had increased in the District

were those characteristic of a moderate business expansion.

As for other factors bearing upon the pace of economic activity,

Mr. Bopp said, commodity price indexes remained roughly stable, suggesting

that further increases in production could be sustained before overall

capacity pressures became pronounced.

Admittedly, however, the picture

was obscured by inventory building in anticipation of a steel strike and

by the aftermath of the auto strike.

On the international front, continued balance of payments pres

sure was evident.

In Mr. Bopp's opinion, however, any further shift in

monetary policy aimed at reducing the deficit should be deferred until

some indica:ion was available of the success or lack of success of the

package of measures introduced by the President.

Another aspect of the President's program which had to be watched,

Mr. Bopp continued, was its possible impact on the domestic economy.

It

was possible that some loan and investment funds would be diverted from

foreign to domestic uses, producing some excess in credit availability.

This development, however, remained only a possibility.

There was no

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certainty that such a redirection would occur, and if it did, that it

would in fact be excessive.

On balance, it seemed to Mr. Bopp too early to consider a change

in monetary policy based either on the international or domestic implica

tions of the President's payments measures.

Therefore, bearing in mind

both the currency pace of business activity and the evolving internaticnal

climate, Mr. Bopp recommended no change in the present posture of monetary

policy.

The figures on money market conditions mentioned by the staff in

response to the final question seemed appropriate.

He thought the ref

erence to the money supply in the draft directive implied a factual in

accuracy, and accordingly either should be deleted or replaced with a

different

statement.

Mr. Bryan said he thought the economy of the Sixth District could

be described properly as being in a state of boom.

Loan demand in the

District was particularly strong, and the figure on insured unemployment

was much better than that for the nation as a whole.

Although the data were subject to revision, Mr. Bryan said, the

national money supply narrowly defined evidently had declined in the

latest month, whereas the series including time and savings deposits had

risen substantially, and time and savings deposits themselves had gone

up like a rocket.

The question of the appropriate definition of the

money supply could be debated for a long time.

However, he would sug

gest that the Committee simply recognize that the money supply was in

determinate.

As had been pointed out in the past, "money" was anything

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that did money work, and since money had a number of functions the

appropriate definition would vary from narrow to broad depending on

the particular functions one had in view.

As to policy, Mr. Bryan thought that at the present time the

Committee ought to maintain approximately the existing degree of

firmness, with free reserves fluctuating around zero and more often

negative than positive.

However, he would like to repeat an observa

tion he had made before--at this particular juncture free reserves

were a dangerous measure, since they represented a residual after the

System had supplied all of the reserves demanded.

He also would repeat

his belief that the more fundamental measures, such as total reserves,

were growing at unsustainable rates.

Mr. Bryan thought the reference

to the money supply in the draft directive was inappropriate in light

of the recent decline in the money stock.

Mr. Shuford reported that economic activity in the Eighth

District had advanced rapidly since early last fall.

Payroll employ

ment had risen at a 6.7 per cent annual rate since September, with

significant increases shown in both the durable and nondurable goods

industries.

Manufacturing output had gone up at nearly a 10 per cent

rate, with gains in the Little Rock and Memphis areas particularly

large.

Spending, as measured by the volume of check payments, had

increased markedly in most major cities of the area.

Since September, Mr. Shuford continued, deposits at weekly

reporting banks in the District had risen at a rate a little faster

than in the nation.

Expansion centered in time deposits, which had

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risen sharply; demand deposits had grown only slightly.

Business

loans at weekly reporting banks had moved up at about a 12 per cent

annual rate, as an unusually sharp gain at banks in St. Louis was

partially offset by declines at Louisville and Memphis banks.

Nationally, Mr. Shuford said, economic activity had continued

to rise during the first two months of the year, as already had been

noted.

Production, sales, and incomes all were markedly higher now

than before the auto strike.

The expansion in activity reflected produc

tion for a precautionary buildup in steel inventories, but there was

strength in other areas as well.

Wholesale prices had increased since

last summer, and industrial prices had moved up significantly.

As had been discussed, Mr. Shuford said, the balance of payments

problem remained serious.

It was hoped and expected that voluntary credit

restraint and other aspects of the Administration's balance of payments

program might result in a reduction in the outflow of funds, but develop

ments in those areas warranted close attention.

In late November and again in early February, Mr. Shuford noted,

the Committee had made moves toward slightly firmer money market conditions

in response to the acceleration in the outflow of funds from the country

and the strength in the domestic economy.

It probably was too soon to

judge accurately the total impact of those actions.

Few figures were

available either on domestic economic conditions or on the balance of

payments since the Committee's most recent action.

Short-term interest

rates had moved higher, but most other yields had changed little.

Total

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member bank reserves, time deposits at commercial banks, and bank credit,

particularly business loans, had continued to rise markedly.

On the other

hand, growth in the money supply had slowed considerably.

Mr. Shuford said he had found Mr. Koch's observations on recent

banking and money supply developments valuable.

The February decline in

the money supply undoubtedly was due, at least in part, to the recent

rapid increase in time and savings deposits and the recent larger-than

usual rise in U.S. Government deposits.

Moreover, there frequently were

periods in which the money supply showed sharp short-run fluctuations and

perhaps the present was one of those periods.

In his opinion it was too

early to be concerned about the decline in the money supply, but if the

recent trend was prolonged unduly it would need attention.

Mr. Shuford said he appreciated Mr. Mitchell's remarks about the

usefulness of the St. Louis Bank's money supply figures.

The St. Louis

Bank probably had done more work in the area of the money supply than

most Reserve Banks because of their particular interest in the subject,

and he was grateful to the Board's staff for their encouragement and help

in this work.

He had found the discussion of the money supply this morn

ing useful and thought that further discussion of a similar nature would

be desirable.

In his judgment the money supply was an important factor

for the Committee and the Federal Reserve System to keep in view; there

was evidence in historical studies of a significant relation between its

changes and business cycle fluctuations.

However, he certainly did not

think that the money supply, however defined, should be considered as the

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exclusive guide to policy.

Other variables also were important, including

flows of funds, total bank credit, business credit, aggregate reserves,

and, in the short run, free reserves and measures of the tone and feel

of the market.

All of these were matters that the St. Louis Bank tried

to take into consideration in its analyses and which the Committee had

to consider as it reached its conclusions on monetary policy.

As Mr. Mitchell had mentioned, Mr. Shuford continued, the St. Louis

Bank's figures showed a decline in the money supply at about a 10 per cent

rate in the most recent eight weeks.

However, the staff members at the

Bank who followed the situation were not greatly concerned about this

development, for reasons similar to those Mr. Koch and others had men

tioned.

Considering a somewhat longer period, from the average for the

four weeks ending October 7, 1964, to the average for the four weeks

ending February 24, 1965, the money supply had increased at an annual

rate of 1.6 per cent.

One would, of course, find other rates of change

if the comparison was made with different starting dates.

Mr. Shuford thought it would be a mistake to delete the reference

to the money supply from the directive.

It was an important variable

over which the Committee had influence; and as he read the draft language

it did not imply either that the money supply had not declined in recent

weeks or that it would decline in coming weeks.

Mr. Shuford said he favored continuation of the policy of the

past four weeks, with money market conditions about the same as they

had been recently, including a Treasury bill rate around the discount

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rate.

He would be willing to accept the figures the staff had provided

in the answer to the last question, i.e., average borrowings around the

$400-$450 million level, dealer loan rates around 4-1/8 to 4-1/2 per cent,

and the rate on Federal funds at about 4 per cent and at time 4-1/8 per

cent.

He favored no change in the discount rate.

Mr. Balderston remarked that Chairman Martin had observed, in

his February 26 statement before the Joint Economic Committee, that since

the middle of last year the averages of both industrial material and prod

uct prices had edged up and that he could not avoid feeling that the country

had been, and still was, sailing very close to the edge in this area.

Ear

lier in his statement the Chairman had indicated his belief that "monetary

policy did what it could and should do to facilitate healthy economic growth

within the United States.

In our effort to try to do all that we could, I

only hope that we did not do a little more than we should have."

The burden of Mr. Balderston's concern today was that now, after

a business expansion entering the fifth year of its life, bank credit con

tinued to expand at an annual rate of about 8 per cent whereas real CNP

had been rising at an annual rate of only about 5 per cent.

It was to

this basic fact that he wished to call the Committee's attention; it was

portrayed in the first of the two pages of charts he had had distributed.

(Note:

A set of the charts to which Mr. Balderston referred has been

placed in the files of the Committee.)

Whether or not the cumulative

effect of those two trends had by this time created pools of liquidity

that might cause inflation, he did not know.

What was fairly clear to

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him was that, even though only 28 per cent of total credit was bank

credit, the increase in the latter that the System had permitted was

sufficiently great to add to the volume of dollars seeking investment

abroad.

It also was clear to him that the relation to GNP of the money

supply narrowly defined was a deceiving guide.

Corporations had learned

to economize in the use of cash, and so the stock of money now did not

have to be as large proportionately to GNP as once was the case.

How

to obtain an adjusted figure for money supply and its rate of growth

seemed tc him to defy solution, but he did suggest that some adjustment

was needed, at least to give some weight to corporate funds invested in

negotiable CDs.

Thus, he had had CDs included along with the narrowly

defined money supply in the middle panel on the second page of the charts,

showing recent monthly percentage changes in various monetary

series.

Some weight might also be given to savings accounts of individuals, the

recent growth in which had been stimulated to some extent by the monetary

policy of the System, in his opinion.

If future events should reveal

that the tinder had been laid for a speculative outburst it would be,

in his view, a fair criticism of the System that it permitted the rela

tionship between growth in bank credit and in GNP, as depicted in the

first chart, to exist too long.

Now that the nation faced an international liquidity crisis that

threatened to shrink further the already shrunken stock of gold, Mr.

Balderston said, it seemed to him to be high-time that the policy adopted

four weeks ago should be implemented more vigorously.

In concrete terms,

he thought that in coming weeks free reserves should be negative most of

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the time even if that resulted in some further stiffening of bill rates.

He would be willing to accept some stiffening of long-term rates also if

that were to develop.

To make clear that the Committee wished no cessa

tion in the application of the policy adopted on February 2, Mr. Balderston

suggested that the second paragraph of the draft policy directive be mod

ified to read, "To implement this policy, System open market operations

over the next three weeks should be conducted with a view to extending the

recent firming of conditions in the money market."

He would delete the

reference to the money supply in the first paragraph because, as he had

noted earlier, he considered the money supply figures to be a deceiving

guide.

Chairman Martin said he thought that Mr. Balderston's charts were

interesting and that the Committee should keep them in mind.

As to policy,

evidently the Committee felt that it should not retreat from the step

taken at the previous meeting, but the majority apparently did not favor

going as far as Mr. Balderston had suggested.

As to the directive, he

would prefer not to eliminate the reference to the money supply.

As he

had said before, words meant different things to different people, and

he did not see how the semantic problem could be resolved today.

What

was necessary, he thought, was to try to put together the best possible

language, recognizing that there inevitably would be some gray areas.

Mr. Mitchell said he had not meant to imply that money supply

references should be excluded from all of the Committee's policy directives;

he had suggested omitting the reference from this particular directive be

cause recent changes in money were difficult to interpret.

By calling for

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accommodation of growth in total bank credit the Committee would be reccg

nizing what was happening to deposits, including CDs and other time de

posits.

Mr. Koch noted that the staff had debated the question at issue

in preparing the draft directive and he might try to clarify the rationale

of the proposed language.

The thought was that the phrase "to accommodate

growth in the reserve base, bank credit, and the money supply," could be

reasonably taken to refer to the three variables as a group and not individ

ually, and with respect to a longer time period than just a few weeks.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the problem under discussion pointed

up the desirability of employing an alternative form for the directive,

such as that of the "trial"

directive, which was more specific.

Mr. Hayes remarked that the staff's memorandum on member bank

reserves indicated that the aggregate money supply had increased in every

recent month except February, and the figure for that month was labeled

"estimate."

He thought that these data did not invalidate the general

proposition that the money supply had increased in recent months.

Ac

cordingly, he did not consider the reference to be objectionable.

Chairman Martin said that that was his view also.

He then noted

that Mr. Mitchell had suggested deleting the proposed phrase "and to avoid

the emergence of inflationary pressures" from the first paragraph.

He

(Chairman Martin) would prefer to retain that phrase because he thought

there still were inflationary pressures in the economy.

In his judgment

the volume of credit, however measured, was dangerously high at present

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and this would be revealed by coming developments.

He hoped he was

wrong, but that was his conviction.

After further discussion Chairman Martin suggested that the

Committee vote on the directive as drafted by the staff.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York was authorized and directed,

until otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System

Account in accordance with the following

current economic policy directive:

In light of the economic and financial developments

reviewed at this meeting, including the generally strong

and continuing expansion of the domestic economy and the

continuing adverse position of our international balance

of payments, it remains the Federal Open Market Committee's

current policy to accommodate growth in the reserve base,

bank credit, and the money supply but at a more moderate

pace than in recent months. This policy seeks to support

fully the national program to strengthen the international

position of the dollar, and to avoid the emergence of

inflationary pressures.

To implement this policy, System open market opera

tions over the next three weeks shall be conducted with

a view to maintaining the slightly firmer conditions in

the money market that have prevailed in recent weeks.

Votes for this action: Messrs.

Martin, Hayes, Bryan, Daane, Mitchell,

Robertson, Scanlon, and Clay. Votes

against this action: Messrs. Balderston,

Ellis, and Shepardson.

Mr. Balderston said that he had voted against this action because,

as he had indicated earlier, he thought a further move to tighter condi

tions was required at present.

sented on the same grounds.

Mr. Shepardson observed that he had dis-

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Mr. Ellis said he had dissented for two reasons.

also favored a firmer policy.

First, he

Secondly, he did not believe that the

present directive form was sufficiently clear and definite to serve

adequately as an instruction to the Account Manager.

To the extent

that his dissent was on procedural grounds, he proposed to limit it

only to this occasion and not to repeat it at subsequent meetings,

even though he might continue to object to the form of the directive.

Mr. Mitchell commented that he shared Mr. Ellis' views on the

directive but had voted favorably because he thought the policy decision

was appropriate.

Mr. Bryan indicated that he had voted favorably on

the same basis as Mr. Mitchell had.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would be

held on Tuesday, March 23, 1965, at 9:30 a.m.

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Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

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APA
Federal Reserve (1965, March 1). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19650302
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19650302,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1965},
  month = {Mar},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19650302},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}