fomc minutes · August 9, 1965

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington, D. C. on Tuesday, August 10, 1965, at 9:30 a.m.

PRESE,:

Mr. Martin, Chairman

Mr. Balder ton

Mr. Daane

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Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Galusha

Maisel

Mitchell

Robertson

Scanlon

Shepardson

Bopp, Alternate for Mr. Ellis

Irons, Alternate for Mr. Bryan

Treiber, Alternate for Mr. Hayes

Messrs. Hickman and Clay, Alternate Members of

the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Wayne, Shuford, and Swan, Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Richmond, St.

Louis, and San Francisco, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Noyes, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Brill, Garvy, Holland,

and Taylor, Associate Economists

Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open

Market Account

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Partee, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Reynolds, Associate Adviser, Division of

International Finance, Board of Governors

Mr. Bernard, Economist, Government Finance

Section, Division of Research and Statistics,

Board of Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

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Messrs. Latham and Patterson, First Vice

Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks

of Boston and Atlanta, respectively

Messrs. Eastburn, Mann, Ratchford, Jones, Tow,

Green, and Craven, Vice Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of Philadelphia,

Cleveland, Richmond, St. Louis, Kansas City,

Dallas, and San Francisco, respectively

Mr. Sternlight, Assistant Vice President,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Anderson, Financial Economist, Federal

Reserve Bank of Boston

Mr. Kareken, Consultant, Federal Reserve Bank

of Minneapolis

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the minutes of the

meeting of the Federal Open Market Commit

tee held on July 13, 1965, were approved.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the actions taken by mem

bers of the Federal Open Market Committee

on July 28-29, 1965, authorizing negotiations

to increase the outstanding swap arrangements

with (1) the German Federal Bank from $250

million to $500 million, and (2) the Bank for

International Settlements from $150 million to

$300 million, on the understanding that the

additional facility with the Bank for Inter

national Settlements would be used by the

System to acquire currencies other than Swiss

francs in which the Federal Reserve Bank of

New York had been authorized by the Committee

to operate, were ratified.

Chairman Martin then invited Mr. Daane to report on the meeting

of the Group of Ten Deputies that he had attended in Paris on August 3

and 4.

Mr. Daane remarked that the first afternoon of the meeting

had been devoted to a review of the question of the next steps to

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be taken with respect to future international monetary arrangements,

with particular attention given to the feasibility and desirability

of an international monetary conference, since Secretary of the

Treasury Fowler recently had indicated U.S. willingness to partici

pate in such a conference.

Except for the U.S. representatives, the

Group was unanimously negative with respect to an international

monetary conference at this juncture or in the near future, and they

were skeptical for the period beyond that.

The consensus was that

there were a number of basic differences in view on appropriate

international monetary arrangements, but they reflected differences

within the Group of Ten itself, and therefore should be worked out

by that Group.

Thus, the principal conclusion of the Deputies was

that their owr efforts to prepare for changes in the international

monetary system should be intensified without prejudging the

question of the urgency of putting any changes into effect.

The Deputies envisaged three phases for future discussions

of international monetary arrangements, Mr. Daane said.

In the

first phase the objective would be to resolve differences among

themselves on basic points.

They hoped to get a mandate from the

Ministers of the Ten at the time of the World Bank-Fund meetings

in September that would permit them to move ahead and really come

to grips with the problems as they saw them.

They considered this

phase to be an absolutely essential prelude to the second, negoti

ating phase; it was necessary, they thought, to see the outcome of

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phase one before moving on to more formal negotiations on the specific

form of monetary arrangements.

This left an international conference

as a remote possibility for a third phase.

From the discussion it

was clear that there were serious doubts around the table as to

whether such a conference ever would be necessary or even useful.

Two other questions were discussed at the meeting, Mr. Daane

continued.

One concerned renewal of the General Arrangements to

Borrow, on which agreement was required by October 1965, as he had

mentioned on earlier occasions.

At the previous meeting the

Deputies had divided evenly on the issue of duration, with five

countries favoring a two-year term and five a four-year term.

At

this meeting the discussion revolved almost entirely around a

compromise British proposal, under which the GAB would be renewed

for a four-year term, but with a specific provisio that a review

would be made at the end of two years.

Reaction was generally

favorable, with the only unresolved question that of whether a

country would have the advance consent of the others to withdraw

from the Arrangements at the end of the two years; under the terms

of the present GAB consent to withdraw was necessary.

Of course,

the whole question of renewal of the GAB was not one for decision

by the Deputies, but rather for the Ministers of the Ten, and the

matter was left open for decision at the Ministers' meeting in

September.

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There also was a brief discussion of the measures that

Britain had taken recently, Mr.

Daane said.

Those measures were

viewed as a further step in the right direction, and the reactions

to them were quite favorable.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the

members of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the

System Open Market Account on foreign excharge market operations and

on Open Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies

for the period July 13 through August 4, 1965, and a supplemental

report for August 5 through 9, 1965.

Copies of these reports have

been placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs

said that the

,old stock would remain unchanged this week.

The

Stabilization Fund still had $83.4 million cf gold on hand, with

prospective central bank orders this month cf roughly $57 million.

In addition to such official demands for gold, however, the cost of

financing intervention in the London gold market had become heavier

From the beginning of the year through the end of July, total inter

vention by the London Gold Pool amounted to roughly $200 million, of

which the U.S. Treasury share was $100 million, or 50 per cent.

During the first week of August, the Pool had had to put up an

additional $35 million to keep the price under control.

Chinese

buying continued to be a significant factor in the market, with

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purchases of $2 million or so occurring every few days.

The great

bulk of demand for gold, however, seemed to be coming from all over

the world and to reflect a fairly general feeling of anxiety; in a

sense it reflected all of the troublesome problems of the day, of a

political, military, and economic nature.

In an effort to relieve

the pressure somewhat, the price had been allowed to ride up to just

a shade under $35.20, the informal ceiling under the Pool arrange

ment, at which point some expectation of a price dip might appear.

That situation was a potentially dangerous one and had to be

watched closely.

On the exchange markets, Mr. Coombs remarked, since the

last meeting of the Committee sterling had been hit by recurrent

bursts of selling with speculative pressure becoming particularly

intense just before the weekends.

During July, British reserve

losses exceeded $400 million and that compelled the government to

announce new policy measures just before the end of the month.

As

Mr. Daane had reported, those measures were fairly well received

among the European governments and central banks, and the initial

market reaction to the program also was favorable.

However, a new

wave of pessimism struck the market last week as a result of a

combination of events, including particularly the publication of

British reserve figures giving evidence of the magnitude of the

July reserve losses.

During the first week of August the Bank of

England suffered further reserve losses of roughly $225 million.

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The market's lack of confidence in sterling was compounded

of many things, Mr. Coombs observed, but he did not sense any wide

spread conviction that British prices and wages at the present moment

were so seriously out of line as to render devaluation inevitable.

The crisis of confidence seemed, instead, to be rooted in what the

market regarded as a basic unwillingness of the present British

government to come to grips with the problem.

The government had

acted in piecemeal fashion, and each set of measures had appeared

to the market to be inadequate to the magnitude of the problem.

When one considered all of the measures that had been taken they

added up to an impressive package and it was possible that relatively

little more in the way of either fiscal or credit restraints would

be needed.

There remained, however, the major risk that the present

voluntary program for limiting price and wage increases would prove

ineffective and consequently would result in a gradual undermining

of the present exchange parity.

That, he thought, was what the

market most feared.

Perhaps the most urgent need was fo: some dramatic move

designed to demonstrate the Labor Government's determination to hold

the price and wage line, Mr. Coombs said.

If such a move were made,

in view of all the other measures that had been taken there was a

reasonable chance of producing a turn in the situation.

With sterling

so heavily oversold, there was an enormous technical position that

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could be exploited.

The U.K. trade figures for July, just released

this morning, showed a considerable narrowing of the deficit--from

about £80 million in June to £50 million.

There had been a sharp

increase in exports, with the rise well distributed by type of

commodity.

On the whole, the situation appeared to be far from

hopeless, the outcome rather depended on whether the British could

make a final determined effort.

In other exchange markets, Mr. Coombs continued, there had

been continuing flows of funds to Italy, partly reflecting seasonal

patterns, and new inflows into Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium,

and France, reflecting both the sterling crisis and a tightening of

credit conditions in certain of those markets.

As a result, it had

been necessary to make new drawings on the swap lines with the Dutch

and

the Belgians, and additional drawings of Swiss francs might

shortly be required.

Mr. Coombs then referred to the action by members of the

Committee on July 28-29 that had been satified today, approving his

request,

transmitted by telegram, for authority to negotiate increases

in the swap lines with the BIS and the German Federal Bank.

He

regretted having had to resort to the unusual procedure of asking

for such an authorization between meetings of the Committee, but the

combination of a prospective Presidential message on Vietnam, the

rapid build-up of speculation against the pound sterling, and the

heavy pressure on the London gold market all seemed to urge an

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immediate reinforcement of the country's financial defenses.

The

increase in the swap line with the BIS had been consummated quickly,

and would provide the System with a further source of guilders and

Belgian francs in the event of heavy inflows into Amsterdam and

Brussels.

In that event, drawings would, of course, first be made

on the direct swap lines with the central banks of the Netherlands

and Belgium.

He was disappointed that it had not been possible as

yet to consummate the recommended increase in the swap line with

the German Federal Bank.

Although the senior officials of that

Bank would have preferred action earlier, they felt it was desirable

to bring the matter before a meeting of their full board of directors,

which was scheduled to convene this coming Thursday (August 12).

Mr. Coombs was hopeful that he would get an affirmative response

at that time and that it would be possible to announce an increase

in the swap line with Germany on Thursday afternoon.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System open market transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

July 13 through August 9, 1965, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Coombs noted that the interest rates applicable to

drawings by either party under each of the System's reciprocal

currency arrangements had been negotiated on a country-by-country

basis and that for the most part it had been possible to secure

agreement to employing the U.S. bill rate.

In four instances,

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however, it had been found desirable to acquiesce in the suggestion

of the other party that a fixed rate of interest should be employed.

In the case of the National Bank of Belgium, for example, a rate of

3-3/4 per cent had been agreed upon under the $50 million standby

arrangement, and a rate of 3-7/8 per cent or the fully-drawn arrange

ment for another $50 million.

He thought those rates were roughly

appropriate and should be allowed to stand.

On the other hand, the

rate of 2 per cent on the swap lines with the Bank of Canada and

the Bank of England and the 3 per cent rate under the agreement

with the Bank of Japan were set when U.S. Treasury bill rates were

considerably below their present levels, and had become unrealistic

with the passage of time.

Therefore, he requested authorization

to renegotiate those rates, either securing agreement to use the

U.S. bill rate or, if the other party preferred an arbitrary rate,

establishing one that approximated the present U.S. bill rate more

closely.

He had informally sounded out both the Bank of England

and the Bank of Canada on the matter and thought they would be

agreeable to such a renegotiation.

Renegotiation of interest rates

applicable to drawings on the standby

swap lines with the Banks of England,

Canada, and Japan, as recommended by

Mr. Coombs, was approved.

Mr. Coombs then recommended two revisions in the Committee's

continuing authority directive for foreign currency operations.

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First, he recommended that the dollar limit on the aggregate amount

of foreign currencies that might be held under reciprocal currency

arrangements, specified in the first paragraph of the directive,

be increased from $2.65 billion to $2.8 billion, in view of the

$150 million increase in the swap arrangement with the BIS that had

been approved by members last week and ratified today.

Such an

increase in the aggregate limit would be consistent with the

Ccmmittee's practice of establishing that limit at an amount equal

to the sum of all individual swap arrangements.

Secondly, he

recommended that the following language be added as a new final

paragraph of the directive:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to make purchases of sterling on a covered or

guaranteed basis in terms of the dollar up to a total of $50

million equivalent.

In connection with the latter recommendation, Mr. Coombs

noted that the Account Management now had authority to hold up to

$150 million of foreign currencies acquired as a result of outright

purchases.

sterling,

At present,

$28 million was employed in

$63 million in German marks,

holdings of

and $10 million in

other

currencies, for a total of $101 million, leaving an unused margin

of $49 million.

He would be reluctant to acquire any more sterling

outright at this time; in

fact,

the Account's sterling holdings had

been brought down by 50 per cent from the peak of $56 million reached

last fall.

However, there had been some recent indications that the

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British might be prepared, within limits, to provide an exchange

guarantee on sterling holdings of the System and the U.S. Treasury.

The Treasury had indicated that it would be willing to acquire a

moderate amourt of sterling on such a basis.

In Mr. Coombs' judgment, an additional limited authority

such as he was recommending would be useful on several counts.

First, it would enable the System to acquire additional sterling

without exchange risk.

That sterling could be used to meet any

future needs not only for sterling but also for other currencies

that might be urgently needed and that could be acquired through

sterling swaps.

Secondly, a relatively small amount of dollars

put through the exchange markets as a result of such covered

purchase:; could have a substantial effect at critical moments.

Finally, there was the possibility that such an arrangement could

be generalized.

For example, the International Bank had a large

amount of money placed in dollar assets in New York.

If the

British government were able to provide a guarantee, it was con

ceivable that a substantial part of those holdings could be exchanged

into sterling.

In response to a question by Chairman Martin, Mr.

Coombs

said that either of two alternative procedures might be followed

in implementing the authority he proposed.

Under one possible

procedure the System would buy sterling at, say, an exchange rate

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of $2.79, and simultaneously sell it forward to the Bank of England

at a rate of, say,

$2.78.

For the holding period the funds could

be invested in Britain, where they would yield a return higher than

the U.S. bill rate.

As interest accumulated the original cost of

the sterling could be written down to $2.78 and the interest return

calculated on the basis of that price.

The alternative possibility

would be much simpler; instead of arranging for forward cover, the

Bank of England would guarantee at par--a rate of $2.80--some

specified amount of sterling that the System would acquire.

Bank of England extended such a guarantee,

however,

Mr.

If

the

Coombs

suspected that they would be unwilling to sec the funds invested in

the London market.

in

They might suggest instead that they be placed

a "money-employed"

to the U.S. bill rate.

account at the Bank of England at a rate equal

Whichever procedure was followed, sterling

acquired under

such an authorization would not be exposed to the risk

of devaluation,

unlike currencies acquired under the present authori

zation for holdings of up to $150 million of currencies bought on an

outright basis.

Mr.

Daane said he would agree that the proposed authority

would be useful under present circumstances, although he found the

second reason Mr.

Coombs had mentioned to be a little

more persuasive

than the first; there clearly were times when relatively small sums

put through the exchange markets could make a great difference.

The

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action would align the System with the Treasury in

the effort to be

of maximum help to the British, and at the .,ame time would be very

much in this country's own interest.

There was no risk to the System

in the suggested arrangement, and Mr. Coombs was proposing that it be

employed on a limited scale.

The question of which of the two proce

dures should be followed was largely a technical matter, but he would

expect the British to favor the forward cover alternative.

To give

a dollar guarantee might imply some reflection on the standing of

the pound and might have undesirable implications for other sterling

holders.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that the System obviously would be

protected against financial loss on sterlin, acquired under a

guarantee by the Bank of England.

He noted, however, that it was the

policy of the U.S. Treasury not to guarantee outright foreign official

holdings of dollars.

Under the proposal, therefore, the System would

be accepting a guarantee from a foreign central bank of a type the

United States was not prepared to offer other countries.

Such an

act, in his judgment, was likely to expose the U.S. to demands for

similar guarantees of foreign official dollar holdings.

The kinds

of techniques the System presently employed seemed to him to be more

consistent with the posture of the U.S. Treasury on the subject of

guarantees.

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Mr. Coombs commented that he personally was inclined to favor

the forward contract procedure.

Under that alternative, however,

agreement would have to be reached on the focward rate to be employed

in each transaction, and operations could become rather cumbersome,

particularly if others also entered into such transactions with the

Bank of England.

Accordingly, the British might feel that limited

guarantees were preferable on grounds of simplicity.

The magnitude

of the risk that Mr. Mitchell saw would depend on the form of the

guarantees.

If they were made for relatively short periods--say,

6 or 12 months--and for limited amounts of sterling, the transactions

would not differ very much in substance from forward contract

transactions.

Mr. Daane observed that in principle Mr. Mitchell's point

was well taken; if transactions of the type suggested were carried

too far they could easily raise questions of guarantees for foreign

official dollar holdings.

He doubted, however, whether such demands

would be provoked by guarantees of System sterling holdings on the

limited scale contemplated.

On that scale the differences from

forward contracts were more of form than substance.

Mr. Wayne said that he would be concerned that the United

States might be put in the position Mr. Mitchell feared if the System

simply requested the British to guarantee outright sterling holdings.

However, he thought a distinction should be drawn between such a

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request, on the one hand, and acceptance of a proposal by the British,

on the other, that the guarantee procedure should be followed as an

alternative to the forward contract procedure.

In reply to Mr. Hickman's question concerning the possibility

that other central banks might ask for similar guarantees of their

sterling hold:ngs, Mr. Coombs commented that continental European

central banks now held virtually no sterling.

In the past, under

the so-called European Monetary Agreement, their sterling holdings

had been on a guaranteed basis, for the most part, but the guarantee

privilege had been largely withdrawn about two years ago because of

concern by the Bank of England that sterling-area countries might

ask for similar guarantees.

He was not able to predict whether, in

an emergency, the British would feel that they could justify

restoring such arrangements with the continental central banks.

The earlier guarantees had been in terms of dollars, but that was

not a necessary element of the arrangements; any new guarantees

might be in terms of the currency of the sterling holder.

Chairman Martin commented that Mr. Mitchell's point was well

taken.

For present purposes, however, he thought the choice between

the two alternative procedures was primarily a technical question,

and perhaps the opinions of British officials had not yet solidified.

On the whole, the proposed additional authorization struck him as a

useful precautionary measure, since it offered an additional means

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for helping to stabilize the market, although it was possible

that it might not be used.

Mr. Daane said that if Mr. Coombs' recommendation was

approved it would be important, in his judgment, not to give the

impression that the arrangement was open-ended and capable of

indefinite enlargement.

The Chairman concurred in this view.

In response to questions, Mr. Coombs said that he was

limiting his proposal now to sterling out might later want to

request similar authority in connectio. with other currencies,

and that he had no present intention of increasing the Account's

outright holdings of sterling.

As he had noted earlier, such

holdings had been reduced by half since last autumn.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the continuing authority directive

for foreign currency operations was

amended to read as follows, effective

immediately:

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is authorized

and directed to purchase and sell through spot trans

actions any or all of the following currencies in

accordance with the Guidelines on System Foreign Currency

Operations as amended March 23, 1965; provided that the

aggregate amount of foreign currencies held under

reciprocal currency arrangements shall not exceed

$2.8 billion equivalent at any one time, and provided

further that the aggregate amount of foreign currencies

held as a result of outright purchases shall not

exceed $150 million equivalent at any one time:

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French francs

German marks

Italian lire

Netherlands guilders

Swiss francs

Belgian francs

Canadian dollars

Austrian schillings

Swedish kronor

Japanese yen

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to operate in any or all of the foregoing currencies

in accordance with the Guidelines and up to a combined total of

$275 million equivalent, by means of:

(a) purchases through forward transactions, for the

purpose of allowing greater flexibility in covering

commitments under reciprocal currency agreements;

(b) purchases and sales through forward as well as

spot transactions, for the purpose of utilizing its

holdings of one currency for the settlement of

commitments denominated in other currencies;

(c)

purchases through spot transactions and concurrent

sales through forward transactions, for the purpose

of restraining short-term outflows of funds induced

by arbitrage considerations; and

(d)

sales through forward transactions, for the purpose

of influencing interest arbitrage flows of funds

and of minimizing speculative disturbances.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized and

directed to make purchases through spot transactions, including

purchases from the U.S. Stabilization Fund, and concurrent sales

through forward transactions to the U.S. Stabilization Fund, of

any of the foregoing currencies in which the U.S. Treasury has

outstanding indebtedness, in accordance with the Guidelines and

up to a total of $100 million equivalent. Purchases may be at

rates above par, and both purchases and sales are to be made

at the same rates.

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The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is also authorized

and directed to make purchases of sterling on a covered or

guaranteed basis in terms of the dollar up to a total of

$50 million equivalent.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System Open Market

Account covering open market operations in U.S. Government securities

and bankers' acceptances for the period July 13 through August 4, 1965,

and a supplemental report for August 5 through 9, 1965.

Copies of

both reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes commented

as follows:

Money market developments and a routine Treasury

refunding operation in recent weeks have been overshadowed

by uncertainties about the interest rate outlook generated

primarily by external factors. A foremost source of concern

to domestic financial markets has been the outlook for sterling,

with U. S. bond market participants now watching for Britain's

reserve statistics and trade data with an avid interest

previously concentrated on more domestic matters such as

business loans, free reserves, or unemployment. The market's

concern about sterling rests on a belief that drastic action

to aid the pound will quickly put pressure on the dollar,

presumably calling for a tighter monetary policy to protect

our own currency. Alongside this concern, there has been a

growing conviction that stepped-up hostilities in Vietnam

will, before long, make greater demands on the U.S. economy

in general and on the Treasury in particular. Bond prices

have moved significantly lower in this atmosphere, not in

a drastic or disorderly fashion, but also without generating

much of a feeling that a more "tradable" price level is

being reached. Perhaps a little paradoxically, the continuing

sizable dealer positions in bonds over five years to maturity

help to explain both the heavy feeling of the market, and the

moderation of the price decline, as dealers have sought to

protect the value of existing positions.

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Against this background, the Treasury's August refunding

went as well as could be expected. Dealers expressed some

dismay at the Treasury's reopening of a 3-1/2 year bond, and

they clearly would have preferred a single issue in the 18

month area--a preference that was underlined not only in their

comments but also in their very limited participation in the

offering. Investors did have some moderate interest in a

longer option, however, and about $800 million of the roughly

$3 billion of public holdings was exchanged for the reopened

bond. Of the remaining public holdings, all but about $200

million was turned in for the 18-month notes, leaving a modest

amount of attrition.

Through most of the past four weeks, the Treasury bill

market enjoyed a resurgence of demand that carried rates down

from the higher levels that had been reached in early July.

Demand in mid-July was enlarged in part by dealer purchases

in anticipation of increased activity that was expected to

be associated with the Treasury's August refunding. By the

end of July, however, the bill market turned around and rates

tended to back up--partly because the demand related to the

refunding fell short of expectations while System buying of

bills was also lower than expected by the market. Toward the

end of the period, with a generally nervous atmosphere

beginning to affect bills as well as coupon issues, the

System was able to provide reserves through sizable bill

purchases with no significant impact on rates. In yesterday's

auction, the three- and six-month issues were sold at average

rates of about 3.85 and 3.95 per cent, respectively, compared

with a low point in the recent period of 3.80 and 3.87 per cent,

respectively (on July 26), and not far different from the rates

prevailing in the auction four weeks ago.

System open market operations alternately withdrew and

provided reserves over the past four weeks, mirroring the

injections and absorptions of reserves by market factors

while maintaining fairly persistent firmness in the money

market. On balance, operations in Treasury issues added a

net of $133 million of reserves on a commitment basis. Large

scale use was made of repurchase agreements during the period,

both to meet temporary reserve needs and on occasion to avoid

adding to the immediate pressure of demand for Treasury bills.

While some use was made of the Desk's authority to arrange

repurchase agreements against a broader maturity range of

issues during financing periods, this authority was used

less extensively than in May.

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Net borrowed reserves during the period moved in a range

from around $100 million to $230 million, while member bank

borrowings hovered around the $1/2 billion level. Federal

funds traded largely at 4-1/8 per cent, that being the

effective rate on three out of five days.

Over the four weeks as a whole, outright System holdings

of Treasury bills were increased by $91 million while holdings

under repurchase agreements rose a net of $42 million. Out

right holdings of coupon issues were unchanged during the

period, except for the commitment to exchange the Account's

holdings of maturing notes for new notes and reopened bonds.

Looking ahead to the next three weeks, current projections

suggest only a modest need for System operations--probably

starting with some absorption of reserves as mid-month

approaches and then with a net provision toward the end of

the month. Given a continuation of the current heavy atmosphere

in the bond market, some of that later provision of reserves

might appropriately be accomplished through purchases of coupon

issues.

Corporate bonds, like Treasury issues, tended to decline

in price over the recent period, and the relatively attractive

yields available on corporate issues remained a factor tending

to divert investors to this area and away from Governments.

New issues won mixed receptions, with some higher-yielding

offerings moving out quickly and others remaining in under

writers' hands and requiring subsequent price cuts. Tax

exempt issues benefited from a pick-up in bank buying that

succeeded in reducing advertised inventories over the

interval.

Payment for the current Treasury financing takes place

this Friday. The Treasury's next debt operation, apart from

routine bill rollovers, is likely to be a cash borrowing in

the bill area--possibly not until early autumn.

Thereupon, upon motion duly

made and seconded, and by unanimous

vote, the open market transactions

in Government securities and bankers'

acceptances during the period July 13

through August 9, 1965, were approved,

ratified, and confirmed.

Secretary's Note: On August 2, 1965, the

following message had been transmitted to

members of the Committee, by telegram to

those outside Washington, by Mr. Young:

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Referring to current Treasury refunding, System Account

holds $3,891,732,000 of notes maturing August 13, 1965, about

53 per cent of total outstanding. Account Management proposes

that Account exchange its entire holdings through subscription

for $2,891 million, about three-quarters, of the 4 per cent

notes maturing February 15, 1967 and $1 billion, one-quarter,

into 4 p.r cent bonds maturing February 15, 1969. System

Account already holds $84 million of the bonds. Principal

reasons for proposal are avoidance of excessively heavy System

holdings of any single Treasury issue, the ample System holdings

maturing in one and two years, the relatively short term of the

bond offered by the Treasury.

1. Assuming the public subscribes to $1 billion

4's of 1969, the amount of 4's of February 15, 1967

taken by System Account would be about 57 per cent of

the new issue, only a slightly larger proportion than

the System's present holding of the issue being

refunded. If the System's entire holding of the

maturing issue were exchanged into 4's of February 15,

1967 it would represent 64 per cent of the issue.

2. The amount of the 4's of February 15, 1969

taken by the System Account would be about the same

as the amount expected to be taken by the public, but

would represent only 28 per cent of the total issue,

including the amount already outstanding.

3. After the exchange 59 per cent of the total

System Account will mature in one year and 84 per cent

in two years.

Please wire today whether you agree with Manager's proposal.

Advices subsequently were received

from all available members of the Committee

that they agreed with the Manager's proposal.

Chairman Martin noted that a prospectus for a proposed study

of the dealer market in Government securities, dated July 9, 1965, had

been distributed to the Committee on August 2, primarily for information

purposes at this time.

He had discussed the matter with the Secretary

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of the Treasury, Mr. Fowler, and with Under Secretary Deming, and had

found that they were amenable to the proposed study and were anxious

to cooperate with the System on it.

The thinking was that the study

should not be undertaken immediately, but rather sometime this fall.

The Chairman thought it would be desirable for all members of the

Committee and other Reserve Bank Presidents to review the prospectus

carefully and offer any thoughts they had on the matter.

The Chairman then remarked that in light of recent develop

ments in Vietnam and in view of the sterling situation there had been

some discussion with the Treasury of problems that might arise in the

Government securities market, which he would ask Mr. Young to summarize.

He personally did not consider it necessary for the Committee to take

any action in this connection today, nor did he anticipate that action

would be required later.

However, since it was impossible to predict

what might happen, he thought it would be desirable for Committee

members to have the matter in mind in case a problem should arise

suddenly.

Mr. Young said that Messrs. Balderston, Holland, and he had

met on Friday (August 6) with Mr. Volcker, Deputy Under Secretary of

the Treasury for Monetary Affairs, to discuss informally the nature

of possible reactions in the Government securities market if the market

was suddenly confronted with a devaluation of sterling or other drastic

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actions by the U.K. authorities, or if developments in Vietnam should

greatly heighten nervousness.

It was agreed that the market was

particularly sensitive at present because of the large dealer positions

in

longer-term issues,

and that the first

question to be faced was

whether the dealers should be relieved of those holdings by official

purchases.

The consensus was that dealer holdings should be lightened

by official buying, at prices somewhat under those prevailing at the

time, with the System and the Treasury coordinating operations closely

in achieving that end.

It also was agreed, in light of earlier expe

rience, that the market should be permitted to make downward adjust

ments, perhaps with some cushioning purchases, but that there should

be no massive intervention until it was felt the point had been

reached where such intervention could turn market psychology, thus

making the market self-supporting.

If the external crisis was only moderate in nature, Mr. Young

continued, it would not be likely to have serious repercussions

either

internally or on other countries abroad.

In that event the

adjustment in the Government securities market could be expected to

be moderate, making it possible to improvise tactics on the basis

of market reactions.

If, however, the crisis was more serious, it

could have extensive repercussions on other countries, and the impact

on the Government securities market could be far more serious.

What

ever the market intervention problem, the Treasury probably would want

to limit its buying to the longer-term sector, leaving the intermediate

and shorter-term sectors to the System.

It was thought that little if

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any intervention would be needed in the market for bills and short

term coupon issues because the short-term sector would be attractive

to investors under the circumstances assumed.

Although the discussion did go some distance, Mr. Young

concluded, it was, of course, entirely hypothetical.

He added

that Mr. Holmes would be invited to participate in any future

discussions of a similar nature.

Mr. Daane commented that it might be useful to recirculate

a basic planning document that had been prepared in 1959 by

Charls Walker, then of the Dallas Reserve Bank, Spencer Marsh of

the New York Reserve Bank, and himself, then at the Richmond Bank,

While the study was concerned with open market operations in the

event of an enemy attack, he thought it had some relevance to the

present situation, particularly to consequences of possible

developments in Vietnam.

Mr. Young noted that additional relevant material was

included in the "blue book" containing the Board's Emergency Plan,

copies of which were in the possession of all Committee members

and other Reserve Bank Presidents.

The discussion with the

Treasury on which he had reported was, in his judgment, not

inconsistent with those documents.

Chairman Martin suggested that the staff bring together any

such materials that might be helpful to the Committee for back

ground purposes.

It was his hope that such steps would prove to

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have been needless precautions but it was important for the Committee

to be alert to possible developments.

The materials in question

might, incidentally, be valuable in connection with the proposed

study of the dealer market in Government securitites.

Mr. Hickman said he was concerned about the possibility of

moving into something close to a pegging operation if the Vietnam

situation worsened.

Mr. Young replied that it had been agreed in

the discussion with the Treasury that the approach to the problem,

if one arose, should not be one of reestablishing a peg.

The

objective would be to provide some general support to the market,

but such intervention as might be appropriate would be directed to

the stabilization of market psychology, so that the market could

settle down to self-reliant functioning.

Chairman Martin commented that this was the kind of

questicn that members of the Committee had to bear in mind in

considering how to deal with potential problems of the sort under

discussion.

Chairman Martin called at this point for the staff economic

and financial reports, supplementing the written reports that had

been distributed prior to the meeting, copies of which have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

Mr. Brill made the following statement on economic conditions:

A first impression of the domestic economic scene, on

the part of one returning after a short absence, is that of

surprising vigor in both activity and expectations. When I

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last reviewed the situation for the Committee, almost two

months ago, expectations were generally for a slowing in the

rate of economic expansion. The impetus provided by steel

inventory accumulation was apparently beginning to lose force,

and auto sales had already adjusted down in April, May, and

early June from the exceptional winter rates. With consider

able new plant coming "on line," and an influx of teenagers

into the labor force expected, prospects were for some

slackening in the rate of resource utilization.

This prospect may still be ahead, but July data do not

suggest that it has already started. Even though inventory

accumulation has undoubtedly moderated, industrial production

rose in July by at least as much as in each of the preceding

three months, and final figures may show an even greater

increase.

Auto sales picked up in late June and the momentum

carried through in July, with domestic car sales for the month

rising to a 9.0 million unit rate. Most auto plants are now

shut down for model change-over, and maintenance of the July

sales pace should permit dealers to reduce their relatively

large inventories of new cars to manageable proportions by

the time of introduction of the new models.

Strength in consumer spending was not limited to autos

last month. Other categories of retail sales, which had

shown some lag in June, were up again, in July, and total

sales rose substantially.

Most heartening of all the July developments was in

the youth employment area. The expected flood of teenagers

hit the market in July, but this year they found jobs. We

finally appear to be making some progress in this hitherto

intractable area. The unemployment rate for young workers

declined somewhat, and long-term unemployment also declined,

bringing down the total unemployment rate to 4-1/2 per cent,

the lowest in nearly eight years.

Does the economy have the momentum to continue to turn

in such a performance? To answer this, one must assess a

pretty fine balance of forces, and do it blindly for lack

of relevant historical experience or adequate current data.

On the one hand, we're only 3 weeks from what, hopefully,

will be a termination of the long drawn-out steel wage

negotiations. Output is likely to suffer whatever the

outcome--strike, continuation under a Taft-Hartley injunc

tion, or settlement. There doesn't seem to be a consensus

among industry or Government economists as to how adequate

or excessive steel stocks have become, but the recent

slackening in pace of advance steel ordering suggests that

the bulk of steel consumers are pretty well satisfied with

their inventories in the context of expected rates of

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activity. At a minimum, then, we can expect some reduction

in steel output after September 1, and the drop could be

substantial. A more-than-seasonal drop in auto stocks is

also possible this month and next. Reflecting both steel

and autos, total inventory accumulation in early fall is

likely to be at a much slower rate than in recent months.

But in assessing the outlook for aggregate demand,

there are several potential offsets to a slackening in

inventory demand to keep in mind. Plant and equipment

spending is scheduled to rise further, and the latest

(June) data on new orders suggest that spending schedules

are likely to be met. Unfilled orders for durable goods

continued to expand in June, with most of the rise for

the month representing further growth in machinery back

logs, and commercial and industrial construction outlays

continued strong through July.

The mailing of checks to Social Security beneficiaries,

including both the new higher scale of payments and lump

sum retroactive benefits, will be adding to disposable

personal incomes shortly. The amounts involved would about

offset the steel payrolls that might be lost in a month

long strike. How rapidly, and for what goods or services,

recipients of the benefits will spend their funds is a

big unknown; we have very little basis for estimating the

consumption function for this older age group. But it's

hard to believe that the bulk of it won't get into the

spending stream fairly promptly.

Further stimulus to the economy will come from ex

panded Government procurement for Vietnam hostilities.

The recent request for additional appropriation authority

is not a good guide to the pace at which actual outlays

will be made, particularly since substantial unobligated

appropriations exist which could be drawn on promptly.

As noted in the staff comments on question 1,1/ the

increases in spending and in the armed forces now pro

posed do not appear significant enough to touch off

widespread commodity or labor shortages or widespread

price increases. Nevertheless, the increases will bolster

aggregate demand to some extent, and operate to offset

the letdown that might follow a steel settlement.

1/ Certain questions suggested for consideration by the Committee,

and staff comments on them, are given at a later point in these

minutes.

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All in all, though I'd be hard pressed to quantify

the judgment, the balance of economic forces seems to

me to be likely to resolve on the plus side. That is,

barring an unusually severe adjustment in steel, I would

expect the economy to continue to expand at close to

the pace of recent months, perhaps not fast enough to

keep up with resource growth over the longer-run, but

also not fast enough to create additional upward price

pressures in the near-term. If this judgment is right,

it would seem premature now to add monetary stimulation

to the picture--at least not until the dimension of

consumer responses to the Social Security payments

becomes more evident or the pace of the defense buildup

becomes clearer. It would seem particularly inappro

priate to take an easing step on the eve of a major wage

settlement, one which might eventuate, as did the

aluminum settlement some weeks ago, in an above-guidepost

wage increase and an unwarranted price rise.

But uncertainties also argue against any significant

move toward monetary restraint. SteeL stocks may be much

higher than we or most other analysts have estimated, and

the adjustment process may be correspondingly more diffi

cult. Moreover, we may have run out the string on

favorable automobile years. Consumer tastes are fickle,

and in the absence of major innovations even the most

sophisticated analysis of demand factors can be frus

trated.

While the mild industrial price creep has continued,

there are no signs of its turning into a gallop. Stocks

of consuner goods are high, and industrial capacity

increases already underway should serve to limit the

possibility of shortages. The market response to

Vietnam developments doesn't suggest any widespread

fears of shortages, rationing, or inflation. On

balance, then, the domestic evidence isn't clear enough

to me to justify a significant policy move in either

direction at this juncture.

Mr. Holland made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

It seems possible that some days of trial could lie

ahead for our financial markets.

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Discussion this morning has already reviewed the

market's immediate reactions to the stresses to date, and

its technical position for withstanding further strainsfairly strong in some sectors, but weak especially in the

long Government area. Let me try to assist your delib

erations this morning by appraising the trends in

underlying financial flows and judging whether they are

such as to weaken or strengthen the market's technical

ability to weather a financial crisis.

There have been times during this expansion when such

an appraisal would have led to a pessimistic conclusion,

but--to give my conclusion today in a nutshell--I judge

the present status of underlying supplies and demands

for funds is such as generally to cushion rather than to

aggravate any immediate market shocks.

Such a conclusion cannot be reached, of course, with

out making a good many assumptions--the more so because

our knowledge is still at a stage where judgments have to

substitute for tested objective relationships with respect

to a good many linkages in the financial process. But the

most important caveats I should sound concerning this

conclusion are three:

it would become unrealistic (a)

if our Vietnamese build-up grows rapidly enough to produce

a marked expansion of demands for real resources, or (b)

if it is expected to do so by businesses and consumers,

or (c) if for these or other good reasons monetary policy

is tightened significantly.

Let me briefly sketch the main facts that lead me to

my conclusion. The market for Treasury coupon issues is

demonstrably thin, and has remained in rough balance

chiefly because no major group of holders has been led

to attempt really large-scale unloading of Treasury notes

or bonds in order to accommodate other earning assets.

In fact major changes in private supplies and demands

for funds have evolved over the past year, but the finan

cial system has fairly well adjusted to these without

major pressure on the Government bond market.

The most significant change that took place was the

enlarged external financing of the corporate sector, as

its over-$50 billion annual rate of spending on capital

equipment and inventories outstripped the high but no

longer rising flows of internally generated business

funds. Somewhat higher rates of return on corporate

borrowing have already sweetened its attractiveness to

lenders. Given the general preference of banks and

insurance companies for such debt, no further big market

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rate adjustment on corporate instruments seems required

unless the net increase in business borrowing grows even

bigger, and that eventuality is rendered less likely by

the expected imminent shift from steel inventory accumu

lation to decumulation.

In the municipal market the story may be a little

different. More than once before in this expansion,

analysts--myself included--have cried "Wolf!" over the

municipal market, anticipating a major upward rate move

ment as the high level of borrowing seemed to be out

stripping the buying capacity of a banking system

constrained by tightening reserve availability. On each

occasion, the worst failed to happen, mainly because

banks continued to be able and willing to issue enough

time deposits to meet loan demands and buy an impressive

amount of municipals besides. With corporate demands

for bank funds now strong and dealer inventories of

municipals still heavy, some further relative upward

yield adjustment in municipals has to be counted a

possibility, but the necessity for this action will

depend importantly on banks' continued success in

attracting time depositors.

The viability of the mortgage market at current rate

levels may also be partly dependent cn the competitiveness

of banks for savings. After some reduction in the net

increment of growth last year, demand for housing is

showing signs of strengthening. At the same time, banks

are again being appreciably more successful in attracting

deposit-type savings than are the more specialized

mortgage lenders. While banks have also been sizable

mortgage lenders in this expansion, the strengthened

credit demands of their preferred business customers

could lead banks to direct more savings away from

mortgages. The consequence could be a mortgage market

in which demand is beginning to rise faster than credit

supply, with some resultant tendency for a little firming

of both credit standards and terms.

You can see that, in my view, the key to a stable set

of underlying financial flows in these major markets is a

continued large--but not too large--expansion of bank time

deposits. That requires, in turn, that banks continue

willing to pay the cost of raising time money, rather Lhan

stepping up their liquidation of securities as a source

of funds; that the nonfinancial sector continue willing to

expand its time deposit holdings, even as it goes on

borrowing; and that the Federal Reserve continue to supply

the reserves to accommodate the consequent bank expansion.

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So long as these circumstances obtain--and they still seem

to, on the latest reading of the evidence--the network of

underlying financial flows should remaii reasonably in

balance.

I do not see enough strength in this fabric to

stabilize the market without official help in any financial

crisis, for the expectational shifts in the market could

be very sharp and the dealer mechanism, with its exposed

long bond position, is peculiarly susceptible. But big

expectaticnal shifts do not persist unless sustained by

some corresponding shifts in basic flows. For that reason,

I think that the rough balance of underlying flows that I

have described provides some measure of hope that well-timed

official ,tabilization purchases could calm a crisis market

atmosphere effectively.

Mr. Reynolds then presented the following statement on the

balance of payments:

This morning, as Mr. Coombs has mentioned, the United

Kingdom announced a 12 per cent jump in exports, seasonally

adjusted, in July. This may justify merely a sigh of relief

all round, rather than a loud cheer, since the export figures

typically zig-zag widely. So far, the market is not quite

cheering. Sterling made some gain early in the day immediately

after the announcement of the trade figures. The Bank of

England reported an hour ago, however, that there was little

steam behind the movement, and that the rate had since drifted

off a bit.

But averaging July with earlier months shows that there

has been a significant improvement in Britain's trade position

so far this year. In the first 7 months, exports were up

5 per cent from the average rate for 1964 while imports were

down 1 per cent. The trade deficit in this period averaged

only half as large (on a balance of payments basis) as during

1964. This suggests that the current account deficit so far

this year has been running at only about one-third of last

year's swollen $1 billion rate. Substantial further progress

is needed, of course, to eliminate the current deficit

entirely this year and achieve a surplus in 1966 and later

years. Some short-run help in this direction may reasonably

be expected later this year from a decline in imports as

domestic restraints finally begin to bite.

There are signs that these restraints are beginning to

exert some of their intended effects internally. But, of course,

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that resources freed at home can be shifted to exports.

Particularly troublesome still, as Mr. Coombs noted, are

excessive price and wage increases, and also scattered

wildca; strikes.

For the United States, our own merchandise trade

position is becoming increasingly worrisome. In June,

exports were no higher than last autumn, while imports

were up 18 per cent. Steel imports have about doubled

in this period, but they account for less than one-third

of the total import expansion, other imports are up more

than 10 per cent in the 9-month period.

The rise in imports has been sharper than at any

time since 1959, and has been spread over a wide variety

of goods, excepting only foods. From the second quarter

of 1964 to April-May 1965, imports of industrial supplies

other than steel--a category that covers nearly half of

total imports--rose 12 per cent, compared with only 3 or

4 per cent in each of the preceding 2 years.

Imports of

consumer goods rose 20 per cent, as they had the year

before; this fast-rising group which used to be small now

approaches one-fifth of total imports. Imports of capital

equipment are up a whopping 43 per cent, compared with 24

per cent a year earlier and only 7 per cent the year before

that. By areas, for which we have complete second quarter

data, imports are up from a year earlier by 44 per cent

from Japan, 29 per cent from continental Europe, 19 per

cent from the U.K. (19 per cent being also the increase in

total imports), 15 per cent from Canada, 14 per cent from

Latin America, and 10 per cent from all other countries

except Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, the latter

group having been almost unique in suffering a decline in

sales to this country.

I cite this long string of figures because I think

they indicate a very wide-ranging boom in U.S. imports.

To some extent, no doubt, our imports have been temporarily

swollen by heavy inventory demands that will later subside.

But the boom in imports of consumer goods and of capital

equipment is unlikely to be of this kind. Furthermore,

earlier import expansions associated with inventory upswings

here have tended to leave a residue of further penetration of

U.S. markets, notably in the case of steel.

In short, recent import expansion is a sobering reminder

of the adverse effects that rising domestic pressures on

capacity can have upon the trade balance, even when broad

price averages are not moving adversely. The flattening out

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of our exports may also owe something to internal U.S.

demand pressures, although a leveling off of foreign

demands in almost every major area except Canada has

probably been much more important.

The National Foreign Trade Council Balance of

Payments Group felt able last month to forecast a trade

surplus for the full year of $5-1/2 billion, equal to the

second-quarter rate that was swollen by favorable, post

strike effects, and well above the $4-1/2 billion rate of

the first half-year. For this cheerful forecast to be

fulfilled, the trade balance will have to average $400

million a quarter better in the second half year than in

the second quarter.

Other elements in the balance of payments seem certain

to weaken by more than this amount, Reflows to the United

States of U.S. bank credit and of liquid funds exceeded

$600 million in the second quarter. These will almost

certainly give way to moderate renewed outflows later in

the year. The banks have considerable scope for renewed

lending within their VFCR targets. Also, foreign borrowing

through new security issues here, particularly by Canada,

is expected to be larger in the second half.

Finally--a point that overlaps those already noted

but is to some extent additive--it seems likely that a

return of confidence in sterling, whenever and however it

comes, will adversely affect a number of items in our

payments accounts. You will recall that in 1962, the

Canadian exchange crisis and its subsequent resolution

(partly through a devaluation) made our deficit very

small in the first half year and very large in the second.

Our connections with Britain are less close and direct than

with Canada. But, on the other hand, the British crisis

has been of much larger dimensions. Canada lost less than

$1 billion of reserves in 6 months. Britain has lost some

$3-1/2 billion in 10 months. This must have helped our

balance of payments almost across the board: on trade,

services, and particularly on certain kinds of capital

flows. British losses of more than $400 million in July,

for example, are likely to have had significant, though

not closely identifiable, effects that helped to hold

our overall July deficit to less than seasonal proportions.

Thus, the fact that July has now been added to the

string of recent months in which there has been an overall

surplus on a seasonally adjusted basis does not at all

contradict the view Mr. Hersey expressed at the last

that the U.S. balance of payments is likely to

meeting:

be deeper in deficit during the second half year as a

whole than it was in the first half.

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Prior to this meeting the staff had prepared and distributed

certain questions suggested for consideration by the Committee,

comments thereon.

and

These materials were as follows:

(1) Business conditions and prices.--What are likely to

be the short-term effects of the step-up in U.S. activities

in Vietnam on prices, inventories, unemployment, and

economic developments generally?

Expenditure plans arising from the latest increase in

U.S. military operations in Vietnam have been undergoing

almost daily change.

Although additional amounts may be

appropriated now, the Department of Defense has considerable

flexibility in placing orders, because of both unobligated

appropriations carried over from fiscal 1965 and plans to

request supplementary appropriations in January.

Preparations for a much greater degree of mobilization have

been under way, moreover, should a still larger military

effort be deemed necessary.

The increases in defense spending and the armed forces

proposed now, however, appear small--both in relation to

recent levels of the defense program and to total spending

and the labor force.

The President has, requested $1.7

billion in addition to the $45.2 billion Department of

Defense appropriation request for this fiscal year now

before Congress. Defense spending was already on the rise,

and from the second quarter of 1965 to the second quarter

of 1966 the annual rate of expenditures is now expected

to increase by about $4 billion rather than by $2 billion.

These magnitudes must be appraised against the recent

annual rate of defense spending of $55 billion (GNP basis),

total GNP of nearly $660 billion, and quarterly increments

to GNP that have averaged about $10 billion over the last

2 years.

The armed forces will be increased by 340,000 over the

next year to a total of 3.0 million. At the time of the

Korean outbreak, it may be noted, only 1.5 million men and

women were in the armed forces, and more than 2.0 million

were added in less than two years. Compared with mid-1950,

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the labor force currently is 13 million or nearly 20 per

cent greater, and the absolute number of unemployed and

the rate of unemployment are somewhat higher.

Use of the draft, as opposed to calling up reserves,

tends to minimize the impact on labor markets. Most of

those to be drafted are in the 20 to 22-year-old group

and are among the employed. (Defermnts are high for

those in school, and rejections are high among the un

employed.) But workers in this age group are generally

below average in training and skill and probably can be

replaced more easily from among the unemployed and those

outside the labor force than would more highly skilled

reservists.

Since the extent of the defense expansion as

announced is relatively small and is sheduled to come at

a time when moderation in the pace of expansion in

economic activity was widely anticipated, the increases

now contemplated in military requirements, while adding

to aggregate demand, should not push it to excessive

levels. Moreover, any substantial acceleration or

enlargement of the defense build-up would undoubtedly

reduce the possibility of a tax cut or other fiscal

stimulus next year. Given the manner in which the

armed forces will be increased and the nature of pro

curement, widespread or serious production bottlenecks

are unlikely. Commodities now in or close to a tight

position, such as copper, may be noticeably affected,

but should these or other stockpiled materials threaten

to cause serious production bottlenecks and upward price

pressures, legislative authority exists for the President

to order supplies released from the stockpile "for

purpose of the common defense."

The announced program is smaller than was widely

expected, and the behavior of commodity and security

markets since the announcement does not suggest much

public concern over shortages, inflation, or direct

economic controls. With business and consumer stocks

of many goods already large, no significant move to

protective buying has been provoked.

(2) Balance of payments.--What implications do changes

in international interest rate relationships over the

past several months have for the U.S. balance of pay

ments?

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The tightening of Canadian and major European capital

markets in recent months increases the likelihood that net

outflows from the United States of over-one-year capital

other than direct investments will be larger in the second

half of 1965 than in the first.

Even though the voluntary

program for bank and nonbank lenders, and, with lessening

force, the Interest Equalization Tax, are restraining major

categories of capital outflow, there remains scope for

outflows to increase.

European domestic long-term interest rates have risen

on the order of 3/8 per cent since March, reflecting

increasing market pressures of demand for lendable funds

and unremitting efforts of the monetary authorities in

all countries but Italy and France to restrain bank credit

expansion. Such rate increases have been considerably

larger than the rise in new issue yields in the United

States.

Further tightening of capital market conditions in

Europe does nothing to increase chances for borrowers in

less developed countries to obtain long-term funds there,

and it is likely that the United States will continue to

be their primary source of funds. Moreover, some borrowers

subject to the I.E.T. (including British and Australian, and

also Japanese borrowers on term loans) have entered into

commitments to pay the tax on its present rates.

The claims on foreigners of U.S. banks that are subject

to the VFCR are nearly $400 million below the 105 per cent

target, so that there is room for a renewed net outflow of

bank credit, long- and short-term, in the rest of 1965. The

voluntary program for nonbank financial institutions is

helping to restrain placements with these institutions of

obligation; with maturities up to 10 years, and of longer

term continental European securities. However, the nonbank

ceilingsdo not apply to longer-term, IET-exempt, issues by

Canadian provinces, municipalities, and corporations.

Weakening of the Canadian balance of payments on current

account, partly in response to domestic inflationary

pressures, is among the factors that have led the Canadian

authorities to permit an advance in Canadian interest rates,

both short-term and long-term, on the order of 1/4 per cent

since March. These developments will encourage heavier

Canadian borrowing through new issues in the United States.

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Recent developments in the London market for Euro

dollars have not been such as to induce outflows from the

United States through Canada. Euro-dollar interest rates

eased off in June and July, partly in consequence of

movements out of sterling. Short rates are up less from

a year ago than rates for U.S. CDs ard Federal funds, and

some U.S. banks have again been drawing money from the

Euro-dollar market for use in the United States. The

longest Euro-dollar rates have not eased much and remain

relatively high, perhaps partly because the foreign

branches of U.S. banks have continued bidding for longer

term funds to finance transfers of head-office foreign

loans to the branches in order to reduce claims subject

to the VFCR,

The small recent fluctuations in U.S. Treasury bill

rates have been of no significance for the U.S. balance

of payments during a period when forward exchange rates

for sterling have varied widely under the influence of

confidence factors and when liquid flows between the

United States and Canada have been deminated by the VFCR.

(3) Bank credit.--What do June-July bank credit developments

suggest as to the Underlying strength of loan demands?

Total bank credit in July, adjusted for seasonal

influences, probably declined a little, after the sharp

expansion of June. This variation in movement over the

last two months, however, is due principally to the

unusually large end-of-June borrowing by security

dealers and finance companies, which was repaid in July.

Nonfinancial loans have continued to increase and banks

ha.e reduced their security holdings further.

On the

and

demand

has

been

strong,

whole, underlying loan

appears likely to remain so in the near-term.

Real estate and consumer loans continued to expand

in July at about the same rate as during the second

quarter. Business loans appear to have increased at an

annual rate of about 15 per cent in July, and about 19

These growth rates

per cent in June-July taken together.

are considerably below the unusually high rate of the

first

quarter, but considerably above those in 1964 and

other recent years.

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This strong business loan expansion has occurred

despite several months of increased capital market financing.

Plant and equipment and inventory experditures by manufacturing

corporations appear to have exceeded their internally-generated

funds in both the first and second quarters, and this gap is

probably persisting in the third quarter. Increasing business

capital expenditures may also be reflected in the contraseasonal

rise in term loans at New York banks in July, to a near-record

high proportion of total business loans, outstanding.

Industry data (including figures through July 28) indicate

that a large portion of the July increase in loans to business

has resulted from demands of public utility firms and the metal

and metal products industries. When the steel negotiations are

settled--or a strike comes--liquidation of steel stocks will

lead to some loan repayments. However, general financing needs

arising from the capital goods boom may have become more impor

tant than inventory financing in the loan demands of steel

producers and users.

(4) Bank reserves.--Assuming no major change in monetary policy

or in prevailing economic trends, what are the likely dimensions

of bank reserve needs over the remainder of the year and what

problems, if any, might arise in meeting these needs through

open market operations?

Member bank reserve needs are expected to fluctuate widely

during the remainder of the year and should cumulate to seasonal

highs by early November. Staff projections of the usual type,

plus some allowance for continued deposit growth,1/ imply that

(a) gross open market operations may need to be somewhat larger

1/ These projections, shown in the accompanying table, allow for

moderate gold outflow and growth in currency outside banks,

consistent with the more detailed projections shown in the reserve

memorandum. An additional arbitrary allowance for growth in

private deposits at the 1964 rates--13 per cent annual rate for

time and 3 per cent for demand deposits--is included in the

accompanying table, but not in the regular reserve projections.

These trend factors, if appropriate for the months ahead, would

cumulate over the period and constitute a permanent absorption of

a sizeable portion of the reserves injected to meet peak seasonal

needs.

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over the rest of this year than in recent months to offset

expected wide intra-monthly fluctuations in market factors

and required reserves; and (b) operations will need to meet

a sharp and partly permanent reserve drain around the end

of October and early November. Such operations might give

rise to short periods of downward pressure on Treasury bill

rates, but probably not of a dimension or duration great

enough to pose serious market problems given the offsetting

influences that would be present in the market or might be

exercised by optional official actions.

Peak reserve needs--about $1.6 billion higher than current

levels--are projected for the week ending November 10, largely

reflecting a rapid two-week expansion of required reserves and

drains from float and currency. A similar peak is projected

for the week ending December 8, following intra-monthly swings

in float and required reserves which are expected to reduce

reserve needs by about $600 million in the two intervening

weeks. Cumulative reserve needs are expected to remain above

current levels by a minimum of $1.0 billion over the 12 weeks

from October 28 to January 19.

Assuming that the System maintain net reserves near

recent levels, the above projections call for several sizable

concentrations of operations, the largest in the period

October 28 - November 10. Such open market operations, if

confined to Treasury bills, would exert some downward pressure

on bill rates. This pressure might not be great enough to

override the usual firming in bill rate; that accompanies

seasonal shifts in private and public needs for funds over

the fall as a whole, but the necessity "or concentrated System

purchases in some weeks could tend to depress bill rates

slightly for brief periods.

As on occasion in the past, such downward rate pressure

could be mitigated by several types of official action. Some

offsetting influence might be exercised by Treasury debt

management operations. The Treasury is expected to increase

the supply of bills at least by early October to cover its

seasonal cash needs, and the timing and dimensions of such

bill sales might be partly adapted to counter any undesired

strength in bill markets.

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The bill rate impact of System buying might also be

moderated somewhat by supplying part of the indicated reserve

needs through purchases of coupon issues and through repurchase

agreements with dealers. Dealer financing needs may be sizable

as a result of Treasury financing this fall and on such

occasions there should be considerable opportunity for making

repurchase agreements. In particular, if a "rights" issue is

included in the November refunding, sizable repurchase

agreements against rights and other issues might be feasible

around late October and early November, the period when

projections indicate the largest increase in reserve needs.

One other means of accommodating short-term fluctuations

in reserve needs with minimum bill purchases would be the

occasional lowering of the Treasury balance at Federal Reserve

Banks, thereby injecting reserves and lightening pressures on

the large money market banks.

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Projected Reserve Needs--August 1965 through January 1966

Period

Changes in reserves Allowance for con- Cumulative

as projected in

tinued growth in change (from

reserve memorandum 1/ private deposits 2/ week of

July 29-Aug. 4)

(millions of dollars change

in reserve week averages)

540

106

646

Sept. 9-22

- 895

42

- 207

Sept. 23-Oct. 13

1,080

63

936

Oct. 14-27

- 770

42

208

Oct. 28-Nov. 10

1,360

42

1,610

Nov. 11-24

- 570

42

1,082

565

42

1,689

- 970

148

867

Aug. 5-Sept. 8

Nov. 25-Dec. 8

Dec. 9-Jan. 26

1/ Projections in the reserve memorandum reflect principally estimated

seasonal changes in factors affecting reserves and in deposits absorbing

reserves. In addition, those projections allow for growth in currency

outside banks at a 3 per cent annual rate, gold outflow after August at

the rate of about $50 million per month, and estimated reserve absorption

by U.S. Government demand deposits reflecting anticipated receipts,

expenditures, and cash financing operations. Projections above also

reflect effects of System operations through August 4, including

scheduled maturities of repurchase agreements against U.S. Government

securities in current weeks.

2/ Annual rates of expansion assumed at the same rates as in the year

1964--about 13 per cent for time deposits and 3 per cent for demand

deposits. Such expansion would absorb about $525 million of reserves,

or about $21 million per week.

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(5) Money market relationships.--Assuming a continuation of

current nonetary policy and taking into account the Treasury

refunding, what range of money market conditions, interest

rates, reserve availability, and reserve utilization by the

banking system might prove mutually consistent during the

coming weeks?

In recent weeks net borrowed reserves and member bank

borrowings have averaged about $160 million and $525 million,

respectively, although with considerable week-to-week

fluctuation. The 3-month Treasury bill rate, affected by

swings in investor demand and dealer psychology, has moved

back and forth in a 3.80 to 3.88 per cent range. Federal

funds have traded mainly at 4-1/8 per cent, although occa

sional trading below that level was induced by the relatively

comfortable reserve position of major New York banks, which

experienced some seasonal decline in their loans in July

along with an expansion in their CD deposits.

If net borrowed reserves continue at their recent levels

and market concern with the international situation does not

mount, bill rates appear likely to remain within their recent

range, with the 3-month bill probably fluctuating between

3.80-3.90 per cent. Seasonal influences will be tending to

firm bill rates in the weeks ahead, and such a tendency could

be accentuated by international uncertainties. The market

is in a good technical condition, however, with dealer bill

inventories reduced. This should help to restrain an increase

in rates, especially if the basic reserve positions of major

New York banks do not tighten further. On the basis of

current projections, the System will not be an important

factor in the bill market for several weeks ahead; reserve

needs will require only minor operations on both sides of the

market.

Long-term interest rates, which have fluctuated in a

fairly narrow range in recent weeks, are not likely to show

significant change in the weeks ahead, barring a sudden shift

in expectations related to developments in Vietnam or the

United Kingdom. Some further up-drift in U.S. Government

yields and some down-drift in corporate yields could occur

as a result of investor arbitrage. Also, dealer positions

in intermediate- and long-term Government bonds remain large,

at just over $1/2 billion. Recent Treasury investment account

purchases, however, have reduced some of the overhang in the

market and dealer acquisitions of 1969 bonds in the current

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refinancing were small. The corporate and municipal calen

dars in August will be seasonally light--although there are

indications of a pick-up in volume in September--and further

distribution of recent underwritings should proceed with

little impact on yields.

Given the economic prospects and credit trends outlined

in the staff comments on questions 1 and 3, expansion in

bank credit and money is likely to be vigorous over the next

few months, although loan growth may moderate somewhat after

a resolution of the steel labor situation. Banks probably

will continue to encourage growth in their time deposits,

both to meet current needs and in anticipation of seasonal

loan demands later. The projected decline in Treasury

deposits at commercial banks in the weeks ahead should

contribute to continued growth in private demand deposits.

On balance, an annual growth rate in private demand deposits

of between 4 and 5 per cent may be a reasonable expectation

for the months immediately ahead. This growth rate would

be considerably smaller than the June-July average, but

substantially above the 2.7 per cent average rate for the

first 7 months of the year.

Chairman Martin then called for the go-around of comments and

views on economic conditions and monetary policy, beginning with

Mr. Treiber, who made the following statement:

Business activity continues to expand, and further

growth is in prospect. Developments in Vietnam have had,

and will continue to have, an importan: stimulative effect

on the domestic economy; they have virtually removed any

prospect of an economic let-down in the second half of 1965.

It is apparent that there will be increased spending in

connection with Vietnam, although the amount of the spending

and its timing are uncertain. It is quite clear, however,

that the changed situation is already having an effect on

the thinking of businessmen and of the public in general.

Except for automobiles, inventory increases at the

wholesale and retail levels remain moderate. The recent

build-up in inventories has taken place largely at the

manufacturers' level. The speed and size of inventory

liquidation following a wage settlement in the steel

industry will, of course, have an important effect on the

total business expansion. The Vietnam build-up will

probably moderate the liquidation, making it easier for

the economy to absorb it.

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Trends in prices, both wholesale and retail, are

disturbing. The first half of 1965 witnessed a

substantial increase in employment. While there are

still a number of areas of substantial unemployment

those areas are declining, and in many there are special

situations which would be affected in only a very

limited way by an increase in over-all demand. A

number of wage increases under collective bargaining

in the first half of 1965 apparently have exceeded by

significant amounts the guidelines of the Council of

Economic Advisers. Labor costs per unit of output in

manufacturing apparently are now rising after declining

gradually over a period of several years. Although in

the past an increase in unit costs has usually occurred

on the upswing of the business cycle, fortunately it

did not occur on the upswing beginning in 1961. But

this development now seems to be with us. In the meantime,

profits continue to rise. We have not seen many instances

where the fruits of greater productivity are being passed

on to consumers in the form of lower prices.

As for the international situation, our second-quarter

balance of payments surplus rests largely on special and

nonrecurrent factors. There is little evidence of a

fundamental improvement in our basic balance of payments

position. Indeed, so far this year our trade surplus has

not been as good as it was in the corresponding period

last year; and now it appears probable that for the year

1965 it will be less than it was in 1964. Tourist and

transportation expenditures are likely to increase

substantially. And we continue to lose gold.

The voluntary credit restraint program has had its

greatest effect on the repatriation of short-term capital

funds. It is doubtful that the movement of such funds

from abroad will continue at the rate experienced in the

first half of 1965. Indeed, the program and the weakness

of sterling have tended to make international rate comparisons

less significant. While movements of funds from the United

States in order to take advantage of short-term rate

differentials are not likely, there is still plenty of

incentive for longer-term credits and investments abroad.

Since most of the major banks are now below their 105 per

cent credit ceiling under the voluntary program and the

credit leeway of the whole banking system is fairly large,

a moderate outflow of bank credit may be expected during

the remainder of the year. It is hard to see any

significant improvement in our balance of payments position

in the second half of 1965 compared with the first half;

indeed, some deterioration seems likely.

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There have been increasing uncertainties in

international financial sentiment, as evidenced by the

highly delicate situation of sterling and the rise in

the demand for gold, and the price of gold, in the London

gold market. Further deterioration in sentiment could

bring pressures on the dollar in international markets

and on our highly sensitive domestic markets.

The demand at home for bank credit continues to be

strong. The large New York City banks are projecting

significantly greater, than seasonal gains in business

loans for the third quarter as a whole.

Bank credit,

and the money supply, have continued to rise in recent

months, at about the same rate they have risen over the

last several years. Bank credit and all types of credit

taken together have risen more rapidly than has overall

production.

The ratio of total nonbank liquid assets to

GNP has risen further; it is now near the highest level

in a decade.

In considering the need for supplying reserves to

the banking system this fall, it seems to me that the

System should bear in mind the possibility of reducing

member bank reserve requirements as well as using open

market operations.

Later this week the new securities offered by the

Treasury to refund maturing notes will be issued and

Dealer participation in the

delivered to the purchasers.

refunding was quite moderate, and "even keel" considerations

related to the Treasury's operation would not in normal

circumstances be a matter of serious concern to us in our

own policy deliberations. There was, however, considerable

uncertainty in

the Government bond market last week

stemming from discussion about the future of sterling

and the implications of the Vietnam situation.

As we approach policy, there are four basic factors

to consider:

(1) Recent domestic developments show forces operating

in the direction of an inflationary disequilibrium;

(2) Some deterioration appears in prospect for our

balance of payments;

(3)

The situation in international financial markets

continues to be most delicate; and

(4)

These factors and perhaps other factors have

produced uncertainties in the U.S. Government

securities market.

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In my opinion, this combination of circumstances counsels

a cautious restriction in domestic credit availability.

The weakness in sterling rules out, it seems to me,

a dramatic move such as an increase in the discount rate

at this time. Such a move on our part might be interpreted

here and abroad as an indication of a withdrawal by the

United States of its concern for the pound, and of a con

centration on our own problems; resultant market reactions

would, no doubt, place greater pressures on sterling. But

a judgment that, on balance, a dramatic move at this time

might do more harm than good need not result in no action

at all. We still have the danger of excessive domestic

liquidity and the distortions that excessive use of credit

are likely to breed; and we st.ll have the balance of payments

problem.

Therefore, it seems to me that we should move with

caution toward somewhat firmer conditions in the money

market. Somewhat higher net borrowed reserves and some

what greater member bank borrowing fron the Federal

Reserve Banks would seem appropriate. The effect of

the move might become apparent in the statistics published

next wee or the week thereafter. As for the form of the

directive, I favor alternative B. 1/

Mr. Shuford commented that economic activity this summer had

proceeded with all the strength that could have been anticipated and

that was appropriate.

Employment had been increasing rapidly.

The

rate of increase in personal income had accelerated in recent months.

As further evidence of strong aggregate demand, wholesale industrial

prices had increased more rapidly than in the last several years.

Recent and current monetary and fiscal developments had been

quite stimulative, Mr. Shuford said.

The money supply had increased

rapidly since May and at a rate of about 3 per cent since the beginning

Three alternative drafts of the directive prepared by the staff

1/

are appended to these minutes as Attachment A.

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of the year.

expansionary.

The planned Federal budget recently had turned more

Beyond the current strength of the economy and recent

monetary and fiscal developments, continued and additional fiscal

expansion would be faced in coming months.

The planned budget would

continue stimulative during the second half of the year and, as

already had been noted, there would be a further increase in military

spending.

In view of the impact of the fiscal stimulation which had been

anticipated earlier and that which would result from the new military

situation, Mr, Shuford continued, excessive total demand could become

more definitely the major stabilization problem.

It might be that

over the next few months a more restrictive combination of monetary

and fiscal measures would be appropriate.

It was not likely that

fiscal policy--to any great extent--could be made more restrictive

during the remainder of the year.

Consequently, developments in

stabilization policy during the next few months would have to be

primarily on the monetary side.

If monetary restraint should be appropriate during the next

few months, Mr. Shuford observed, it would not only help to prevent

excessive total demand for goods and services and resultant price

inflation but it should tend to bring U.S. interest rates into better

alignment with those in some other major countries.

That would aid

in restoring reasonable balance to the international accounts, and

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it would be a contribution to the fundamental adjustment which, sooner

or later, had to take the place of the present temporary voluntary

restraints on the flow of capital.

He hoped that at the same time

certain foreign countries could be persuaded to adopt tighter fiscal

and easier moretary policies, thereby pushing down their interest

rate levels.

As far as the next few weeks were concerned, Mr. Shuford did

not suggest that the Committee should take any overt action.

For the

immediate future he favored moderate rates of increase of reserves

and money, lower than the average rates of the past twelve months.

Reserves should not be supplied so rapidly as to support unduly

large increases in bank credit.

In view of the strength of business,

the fiscal situation, and developing seasonal pressures, he thought

such a policy stance would be consistent with some upward movement

in interest rates.

Somewhat higher interest rates would be appropriate

if the domestic economy generated greater credit demands, from either

the private or the Federal sector.

As at the previous meeting, Mr. Shuford said, his position on

policy was close to one of "no change," and the first paragraph of

alternative A of the draft directives was acceptable to him.

However,

he again would recommend a revision of the second paragraph, as he had

last time, in order to emphasize the need for preventing any excessive

increase in demand.

Specifically, he would revise the language

following the phrase "with a view to maintaining" to read, "at least

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as firm conditions in the money market as have prevailed in recent

weeks, and to permit some tightening if demands for credit

strengthen."

Mr. Patterson said that at the risk of overworking an

attractive definition introduced by Mr. Noyes at the previous

meeting of the Committee on the "new semantics" that had developed

along with the "new economics"--when he said that nowadays things

were "unchanged" when they were increasing at the same rate as

before, and things were going up only when the rate of increase

exceeded the one previously established--he would carry Mr. Noyes'

theme a little further and say there also was a "new semantics"

with respect to declines.

For example, there seemed to be three

sorts of declines developing in the Sixth District, only one of

which constituted a decline in the old serse.

Some of the District

statistics showed rates of gain lower than those previously

established, and some were showing relative stability, both of which

were declines according to Mr. Noyes.

In addition, there were a

few actual declines.

In the first category (rates of increase less than formerly),

Mr. Patterson went on, one had to classify the behavior of the most

recent statistics on employment, manufacturing payrolls, and personal

income.

The softness in manufacturing payrolls helped explain the

slackening in the growth of personal income, although cash farm

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receipts, derived partly from rapidly rising farm prices, had helped

to maintain income.

For example, the first week's market for

Georgia-Florida flue-cured tobacco, which opened July 28, yielded

prices averaging $64.95 per 100 pounds, $12.75 above the same period

last year.

District livestock producers were, of course, sharing in

the income gains from higher prices for cattle and hogs.

In the second category of declines--those sectors exhibiting

relative stability--one had to classify the behavior of retail sales,

Mr. Patterson said.

If the ups and downs from month to month in 1965

were smoothed out, a chart would show an almost horizontal line.

Construction outlays and construction employment also were moving

horizontally on a high plateau.

Finally, Mr. Patterson said, the District had been experi

encing a few old-fashioned actual declines.

For example, construction

contract awards had been in a downtrend since December 1964, with the

decline concentrated in nonbuilding types such as missile and space

projects, highways, and bridges.

The downtrend in residential

contract volume evidenced throughout 1964, however, had apparently

been reversed, although the new uptrend was still in its infancy.

Turning to banking, Mr. Patterson remarked that the District

definitely had been experiencing increases measured by any man's

semantics, new or old.

For example, loans at the end of July were

up 15 per cent from a year ago; investments, 4 per cent; and deposits,

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12 per cent.

twice as

Placed in perspective, those increases were roughly

large as the increase in economic activity as measured by

personal income.

Moreover, there had been no letup in the rate of

credit expansion over the first half of 1965, notwithstanding the

firming of Federal Reserve policy this spring.

Loan and deposit

increases in the second quarter were equal to those in the first.

Viewed from several angles, Mr. Patterson continued, firming

in Federal Reserve policy had not retarded credit expansion at

District banks.

Those banks, which had been in a net borrowed

reserve position in June, moved into a free reserve position in July,

a movement that was accompanied by a decline in borrowing; on the

average, the banks had been net sellers of Federal funds; and the

member banks had been able to increase their loans with only a

slight loss in their holdings of Government securities and municipals.

Judging from the response of 73 member and nonmember banks to the

recently completed survey of lending practices, changes in bankers'

attitudes to their loan requests seemed to be related more to the

strength of the business loan demand than to Federal Reserve

operations.

At the moment, Mr. Patterson was not prepared to say what all

of those contrasting trends meant in terms of Federal Reserve policy.

However, if he were voting and had to make a choice among the

alternative draft directives it would be in favor of alternative A.

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Mr. Bopp reported that economic activity in the Third District

had continued to expand in recent weeks, but at a somewhat slower rate.

Steel production in the Northeast Coast region decreased considerably

more than nationally, and the rise in department store sales in the

past four weeks was much less there than for the United States,

Loans

of reporting banks declined in July, reflecting substantial repayments

by securities dealers and sales finarce companies.

Reserve positions

of reserve city banks had tightened considerably, resulting in larger

net purchases of Federal funds and additional borrowing from the

Reserve Bank.

Country bank borrowing from the Reserve Bank, however,

had declined to a low level.

Discussions with bankers and businessmen revealed, Mr. Bopp

said, that except for a helicopter manufacturer who planned to add

over 1,000 employees to meet increased defense orders, most saw the

proposed buildup of U.S. armed forces in South Vietnam as having

little effect thus far.

There had been no tendency to mark up

prices, and a possible increase in inventories was mentioned only

once.

A textile producer with inventory somewhat low as compared to

others in the industry reported that he was seriously considering

building up his stocks somewhat in order to be in a better position

to handle new orders that might come from the stepped-up defense

program.

Some expressed the view that steel and metal product

inventories might not be reduced so much following a wage agreement

in the steel industry as would have occurred otherwise.

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Larger draft calls were unlikely to have much effect on

unemployment in the Third District, Mr. Bopp thought.

The average

age of draftees currently was 21, and was expected to fall to about

20-1/2 in the next year.

The unemployment rate in that age group

was far below that for teenage males.

Also, nearly one-half of the

men examined by Selective Service were rejected, and the probability

was rather high that those rejected were not qualified for the kinds

of work for which job opportunities were good.

Those findings for the local area conformed with Mr. Bopp's

expectations for the nation as a whole.

The proposed step-up in

defense expenditures apparently could be absorbed without any

significant inflationary pressures.

The increase estimated for the

remainder of this year was small in relation to current GNP (only

about 1/4 of 1 per cent), and the impact would be distributed among

a number of industries.

Moreover, it came at a time when the

existing margin of unused resources, together with additions to

capacity resulting from the high level of capital expenditures,

appeared sufficient to meet prospective increases in aggregate

demand.

Mr. Bopp could find no evidence thus far of a general upward

pull or push on the wholesale price level.

The rise in wholesale

prices of the past few months reflected primarily supply situations

in farm products, processed foods, and nonferrous metals, rather

than total demand pressing against productive capacity.

Reduced

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marketings of livestock as a result of low prices last year and

short supplies, of fruits and vegetables because of unfavorable

weather were the principal reasons for the rise in the prices of

farm products and processed foods.

The rise in nonferrous metals

reflected the usual price response of those products to wide

cyclical swings in demand against a relatively inelastic supply.

Generally stable labor costs per unit of output in manufacturing

(the small fractional increases in the past three months were not

sufficient to have much significance) and the rise in manufacturers'

after-tax profits in the second quarter, and also in their profit

margins, indicated no upward push on prices.

It appeared to Mr. Bopp that the absence of any significant

inflationary pressures would continue.

At the same time, liquidation

of steel inventories might soon become a downward drag on the

economy.

Those considerations, plus the fact that the improved

balance of payments position was continuing, led him to the

conclusion that additional restraint was not called for.

On the

other hand, he would not relax the present degree of firmness in

view of the stimulus that would be provided by larger defense

expenditures and a more expansionary fiscal policy.

He recommended,

therefore, that current policy be continued for the next three weeks.

An additional reason for that view was the current feeling of

uncertainty in the Government securities market.

Any change in policy

would be likely to have a greatly magnified effect.

alternative A of the draft directives.

He favored

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Mr. Hickman remarked that, while the economy continued to

inch upward in July, the latest data on the leading indicators

showed that a majority had either leveled off or declined slightly.

Looking ahead, some uncertainties in the business outlook referred

to at the previous meeting of the Committee had been alleviated by

increased defense spending for Vietnam, but the steel settlement

was still a major element to be resolved.

It probably would be

late September before it could be determined which way the economy

would respond.

In assessing recent business developments, the major

contributions provided by steel and autos should be noted, Mr.

Steel production, which amounted to a seasonally

Hickman said.

adjusted annual rate of 149 million ingot tons in July, would hold

near that rate in August, but would decline appreciably in

September, irrespective of a steel settlement.

Assuming a settle

ment, the extent of the decline would be determined by the amount

of inventories to be liquidated and the level of consumption, two

measures about which there was a great deal of talk but little

real knowledge.

Because of Vietnam, steel inventory liquidation

would not be as great as previously expected, but the extent of

the adjustment could not be estimated until more was known about

price developments and the impact of defense spending.

The record of the automobile industry continued to confound

the experts, Mr. Hickman commented.

Auto production in July amounted

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to 9.7 million cars, seasonally adjusted annual rate, while

estimates for August indicated adjusted output at a rate of nearly

9.5 million cars.

Car sales declined moderately in July, but were

a record for the month; inventories increased slightly but were

now declining sharply.

Although some price indicators subsided in early July, the

odds now seemed to Mr. Hickman to have shifted away from price

stability in favor of moderate price inflation.

Because of short

supplies of pork, beef, and vegetables, the upward drift of the

consumer price index had accelerated.

Increases that were first

reflected on the farm in February and March subsequently showed up

in wholesale prices of processed foods and finally in consumer food

prices.

If typical lead-lag relationships held, a further rise

could be expected at the consumer level before the modest decline

that occurred in farm prices in July took hold.

Vietnam had already had an impact on industrial prices,

Mr. Hickman noted, with nonferrous meals, textiles, and hides and

leather firming somewhat since mid-July.

Upward pressure in non

ferrous metals in some cases reflected tight supply situations.

While industrial prices would probably not move up as rapidly as

they did at the outbreak of the Korean conflict, the general climate

was now more conducive to price increases than at any time in the

recent past.

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At this juncture, past trends seemed to Mr. Hickman to be

even less reliable guides than usual to future developments.

The

key question concerned the effects of the step-up in defense spending

on economic activity.

Whereas previously a rate of growth in GNP

had been anticipated during the second half that would not close

the gap in the economy's potential--implying an increase in the

aggregate rate of unemployment--the expansion could not proceed

at a faster rate.

At this point, he felt intuitively that it would

take a much sharper escalation than presently appeared to be in the

cards to overheat the economy.

But to formulate appropriate monetary

policy the Co.mittee clearly needed to know much more than it did

now about defense spending and the steel situation.

Unfortunately,

that was something it might not know for several weeks, perhaps

until late September.

In recent months, Mr. Hickman noted, he had felt that

monetary policy was slightly firmer than it should have been on

the basis of information then available.

Now, however, with the

advantage of hindsight, he thought that it had been about right

after all, although perhaps for the wrong reasons.

In any event,

in view of the current Treasury financing, hesitancy in the capital

markets, uncertainties in the domestic business outlook, and growing

pressure on the pound sterling, no change in policy seemed to be

desirable at this time.

By "no change" he meant net borrowed

reserves around $150 million and borrowings around $500 million,

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with a personal preference for a shading downward from those

figures.

He favored alternative A for the directive.

Mr. Maisel agreed with the staff that the step-up in

Federal activities resulting from Vietnam was nearly sufficient to

offset the curtailment in private expenditures that had been

expected during the coming periods.

As a result, if the programs

went forward as now projected, the rate of growth in the economy

should continue about as it had recently.

That would mean that

existing slack would remain at the present levels.

The relationships which had developed among international

interest rates made it imperative, Mr. Maisel said, for the Commit

tee to undertake the careful reconsideration of current interest

rate policy that was considered necessary when the present directive

was adopted on March 23.

Current indications were that the major

European countries had decided to put the bulk of their faith in

monetary rather than fiscal policy.

That raised serious questions

as to wh ther or not the United States could afford to be one of

the few countries with its capital market open freely to buffeting

from decisions made abroad.

The voluntary foreign credit restraint

program was clearly an indication that such pressures were basically

unacceptable.

As a part of the general reconsideration of its

present policy, the Committee needed to consider the short-run

implications for the balance of payments of existing short- and

long-term interest rates while attempting to determine what type of

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capital markets, under what conditions, could be viable after the

voluntary restraint program had passed.

The Committee particularly

needed a review of what capital market movements were a threat.

Was the Committee concerned with Canada, Britain, developing

countries, or continental Europe?

Did short-run movements have

the same implications as long-run ones?

Mr. Maisel felt that, given the present uncertainties as

a result of Vietnam plus the continued negotiations in the steel

industry, the Committee ought not to alter policy, since any

change could be misinterpreted.

As a result, he would support

the current directive--alternative A.

At the same time he

believed that the creeping growth in the amount of net borrowed

reserves ought to be reversed.

The average of free reserves

expected at the conclusion of each week's operations had risen

by $15 million in each month under the current directive.

Because

most of the biases currently appeared to be on the restrictive

side, the amount of net borrowing had been even larger than

projected at the end of operations.

Since the market would be buffeted by many conflicting

forces during coming periods, it seemed advisable to Mr. Maisel

to recognize the existence of the voluntary foreign credit restraint

program and to allow the bill rate to fall if that occurred as the

result of normal market action.

He did not feel that artificial

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pegging of the bill rate above the rate that the market would

determine with the present level of reserves and demand for money

ought to be the critical criterion for operations.

Mr. Daane said he continued to believe that there were

times when a decision to maintain the status quo with respect to

policy was as significant as a decision to make a change.

strongly that the present was one of those times.

He felt

The uncertainties

existing in the markets for Government securities and foreign

exchange, the absence of clear and compelling evidence calling

for a change in policy noted by Mr. Brill, the considerable

skepticism expressed by the staff regarding the permanence of the

improvement in the balance of payments, the uncertainty as to the

kind of settlement that would be made in the steel industry, and

the fact that some period of digestion with respect to the current

Treasury financing still lay ahead--all of those considerations

quite clearly called for no change in policy.

As to the draft directives prepared by the staff, Mr. Daane

continued, he felt that there was too much change in wording for the

sake of change alone.

Assuming the consensus today was for no

change in policy, he would recommend only a few revisions from the

directive adopted at the previous meeting.

Specifically, in the

first sentence he would substitute the words "early in the year"

for "the first quarter."

Between the seccnd and third sentences

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he would inser: the sentence, "International developments are

creating uncertainties in securities and foreign exchange markets,"

and leave the .:est of the first paragraph unchanged.

In the second

paragraph, he would replace the phrase, "and taking into account

the forthcoming Treasury financing" with the phrase, "and taking

into account the current Treasury financing and unsettlement in

market conditions," and retain the remaining language.

When the Committee was not making a policy change, Mr. Daane

said, revisions of the directive language should be limited to those

necessary to recognize significant developments, and in his judgment

the only recent developments of major significance were the uncer

tainties and unsettlements occasioned by events in Vietnam and

Britain.

To make other revisions might suggest to the reader of the

published reco-d that the Committee had modified policy when in fact

it had not.

One change of the several the staff proposed seemed to

him to be particularly inappropriate--that cf substituting the words,

"to defend the international position of the dollar" for the words,

"to reinforce the voluntary restraint program to strengthen the

international position of the dollar."

Mr. Mitchell said that at the previous meeting he had seen

no reason for making a change in policy and he saw none today,

although he now regarded the economic situation and outlook as

stronger than previously.

The major factor underlying that view

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was the recent rate of consumer spending, which was surprisingly

high.

A second important factor was the improvement in business

psychology as a result of the escalation in the Vietnam situation,

although that improvement might be based on an erroneous reading

of the outlook--Federal expenditures in connection with Vietnam

might not rise as much as many expected.

With the uncertainties prevailing in securities markets,

Mr. Mitchell said, the Committee should do what it could to

reinstill confidence in the viability of the present pattern of

interest rates.

The differentials existing among rates on tax

exempt and corporate and Government securities at present perhaps

were unstable, and that might lead to a decline in prices of

Government bonds.

In any event, he would not want to see any

further rise in the levels of long-term rates.

As to the balance of payments, it seemed to Mr, Mitchell

that the results of the voluntary foreign credit restraint program

were all that had been hoped for, if not more.

The program was

not intended to produce a permanent solution to the balance of

payments problem, and no one should be surprised that it was not

doing so.

A permanent solution had to be sought through other

policy measures.

The last measure he would recommend for that

purpose would be an increase in domestic long-term interest rates

to levels equal to those in, say, Germany.

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Mr. Mitchell favored alternative A for the directive with

one change in wording that was consistent with the views Mr. Daane

had expressed.

In the second sentence of the first paragraph he

would replace the words, "to help defend" (the international

To

position of the dollar) with the words, "to help maintain."

his mind, "to help defend" was unduly dramatic language.

Mr. Shepardson said that in preparing for this meeting

he had tried to reconcile his own feelings with the staff's

assessment of the conflicting factors weighing in the present

situation.

There were many uncertainties in the picture, and

while he suspected that some of the concern; that Mr. Treiber had

expressed today were warranted, he found it hard to document that

The nature of the steel settlement would, in his judgment,

belief.

have important implications for the economy,

Because the negotiations

were still in process, and despite the fact that he shared Mr.

Treiber's concerns, he had come to the conclusion that it

probably was best to make no change in policy at present.

He

would not like to see any shading of market conditions to the

easier side under a generally unchanged posture, as had been

suggested; he would hope that there would be no relaxation of

pressure.

As to the wording of the directive, Mr. Shepardson thought

there was merit in Mr. Daane's observations but he found alternative A

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as drafted by the staff acceptable, with Mr. Mitchell's suggested

change in wording.

Mr. Robertson then made the following statement:

There are a number of powerful forces influencing

economic trends at the moment--some pushing up and others

pulling down. On balance I think they call for us to

hold a steady course for monetary policy over the next

few weeks, not turning consciously toward either tightness

or ease.

I would not want to ease policy right now, for a

considerable degree of new fiscal stimulus lies immediately

ahead of us. Some of this will come from the enlarged

Social Security payments, but the more important impetus

is probably the Vietnam buildup, and we have no dependable

idea of how big that might turn out to be. Even before

the new Vietnam action entered the picture, moreover, the

economy was performing a bit better than expected, and

it was being supported by a vigorous rate of monetary

expansion.

One final factor also weighs against easing today,

steel contract talks are coming up against

in my view:

their previously agreed-upon deadline at the end of this

month, ard (without trying to forecast the eventual

settlement) I would not want to have eased policy at this

meeting and then find a big steel wage advance and an

associated round of price increases developing.

But, on the other hand, I also see considerations

that I think would make it unwise to tighten right now.

I am sensitive to a few symptoms of "tired boom" that

could be seen to be developing in the clearer atmosphere

pre-Vietnam. Furthermore, we can expect that some short

run downward pressure from steel stock liquidation ought

to occur whenever we get either a settlement or a strike.

Perhaps our greatest risks of precipitating unhappy

consequences, however, center in our financial markets.

These markets--particularly the long Government bond

market--are already nervous and weighted down by dealer

inventories. I hate to think of how those markets might

drop if the receipt of bad news from abroad (as some people

apparently think may be forthcoming) caught them at a time

when we had already pushed them off balance and strained

their resiliency by an unexpected further tightening of

monetary policy.

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In the absence of domestic developments which would

make a policy change imperative, I would prefer to move

through the weeks ahead on a steady corse, with the

Manager maintaining money market conditions about the

same as in recent weeks. If investors in their nervous

ness, should shift toward liquid assets and depress bill

rates in the process, I think we ought to let a bill

rate decline occur. On the other hand, should bank

deposit expansion continue unseasonally strong and boost

required reserves more than expected, I would not object

to some resultant revisions to deeper net borrowed reserve

figures. But aside from such nuances, I would hold

policy unchanged until the next meeting, or until and

unless the international financial storm breaks over

Britain, If that should occur, its reverberations in

securities and foreign exchange markets are impossible

fully to foresee, and I would want both the Special

Manager for Foreign Operations and the System Open

Market Account Manager to have all the power and flexi

bility it is feasible to give them to deal with the

consequences, although that can be provided in a special

meeting, if necessary. To that end, I would vote for

the proposed alternative A for the current directive.

Mr. Robertson added that like Mr. Shepardson he felt there

was much to be said for Mr. Daane's position against changes in

wording for the sake of change alone.

Nevertheless, he found that

he could accept the staff's draft language with the modification

suggeste

by Mr. Mitchell.

Mr. Wayne reported that business conditions in the Fifth

District continued to display basic strengh,

as a whole.

much as in the nation

In the Richmond Bank's latest survey, however, the size

of the minority anticipating a business downturn had increased.

Among businessmen, 21 per cent now thought some decline was probable,

compared with 7 per cent eight weeks ago.

Among bankers, however,

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whose sentiments usually were more volatile

there was not a

single pessimist who foresaw a downturn in the near future.

Except for textile producers, manufacturers in the survey

indicated a lower average level of new and unfilled orders for

the first time in eighteen months but continued to report rising

shipments and small increases in wages and prices.

Textile

producers expected sizable Government orders soon as part of

the defense buildup; that would come on top of an order backlog

which already pre-empted almost a year's production in several

major lines.

In agriculture, tobacco acreage-poundage controls

were expected to cut the District's output of flue-cured leaf

by 17 per cent, but favorable prices would probably reduce the

impact on income.

At the present stage, Mr. Wayne continued, the precise

scope of the current defense buildup was not clear and any

assessment of its implication for business performance in the

second half was probably premature.

For the very short run,

its principal impact was likely to be on business expectations

patterns.

He would expect some adjustment in business inventory

planning in a direction that would work to offset the anticipated

liquidation of steel stockpiles, and perhaps also some scattered

price pressures.

Considering a somewhat longer time span,

consumer spending for durables might be stimulated, especially

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in view of prospective increases in social security payments

and in military and civil service pay scales.

Whatever the

magnitude of the added stimulus, it would be superimposed upon

a basically strong economic situation.

Plant and equipment

expenditures continued high, automobile sales remained at

record levels, the consumer surveys showed that the public was

still in a spending mood, and the latest construction figures

were encouraging.

Mr. Wayne went on to say that the recent relative increase

of long-term rates abroad partially offset the advantages of the

interest equalization tax and might well introduce some stress on

the voluntary foreign credit restraint program.

For the immediate

future, however, he was more concerned over the tendency in some

quarters to view the modest second-quarter surplus in the balance

of payments as evidence that the problem had been solved.

The

current unfavorable prospect for the merchandise account struck

him as more deserving of attention than improvements that were

attributable to a program that could be viewed only as temporary.

In surveying the international scene, however, he was most concerned

with the position of the United Kingdom.

It appeared to him that

the sterling problem had moved into a new and critical phase and,

while no one could predict the next development, he believed the

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System might well be confronted over the next few months with

what could be the gravest international payments crisis since

the 1930s.

Bank credit behavior in June and July generally followed

the usual seasonal pattern, Mr. Wayne said.

Loan demand remained

strong, and in view of the low level of corporate liquidity,

rising business capital outlays, and the likelihood of increased

inventory accumulation in many lines, business loans might be

expected to continue at a high and perhaps rising level for the

next few months.

Consumer spending plans also indicated an

increase in the demand for consumer loans.

In view of the prospects for continued strong loan

demand in the second half, Mr. Wayne remarked, the need for

bank reserves was likely to increase, although perhaps not as

rapidly as in the first half.

Developing seasonal needs

coupled with limited new bill offerings by the Treasury might

make it difficult to supply necessary reserves through open

market purchases without unduly depressing bill rates.

That

situation could change if rising defense expenditures became

large enough to require substantial amounts of additional Treasury

financing.

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Regarding policy, the current level of reserve availability

appeared to Mr. Wayne to be altogether consistent with the rate of

credit and money expansion required by the domestic economy.

Aside

from the problem of meeting seasonal reserve needs, he saw nothing

in the domestic picture that called for any change in reserve

availability.

In particular, he would be reluctant to move in the

direction of greater ease in view of the possibility that price

pressures might develop from the impending step-ups in defense

expenditures, from the increases in Social Security benefits and

military pay scales beginning in September, and from possible in

creases in Civil Service pay scales.

He believed that any

substantial liquidation of steel inventories that might develop

in the near future would be offset in large measure by those

added fiscal stimuli and would not require any compensation from

monetary and credit policy.

On the international side, the

deterioration in the U.S. trade balance cautioned against any

move in the direction of more ease.

In relation to sterling the

Committee should not compound the problems of the British by any

greater firmness of policy, but the heavily exposed position of the

dollar in relation to the pound required serious consideration

of the strength of this country's own situation.

In brief, it

seemed to Mr. Wayne that the considerations pro and con were quite

evenly balanced, and he favored a continuation of the present

policy and alternative A of the draft directives.

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-71Mr. Clay commented that the domestic economy had performed

quite well in recent weeks.

As anticipated,

the rate of expansion

had been lower than during the bulge of the early months of the

year.

However, the performance probably had been somewhat better

than generally anticipated.

The recent military decisions concerning South Vietnam had

injected a new factor into future economic developments, Mr. Clay

said.

The staff analysis under question 1 covered that situation

very well.

The immediate impact on the domestic economy was small,

and the projected impact in the months ahead appeared to be readily

absorbable.

The fact was that the Committee did not really know

what the military program would be in the months ahead, however,

and accordingly the effect on the economy would have to be re

evaluated constantly.

Substantial progress had been made in the fuller utilization

of resources, Mr. Clay continued.

The resource base was still

growing and there appeared to be room for continuing orderly

expansion in economic activity.

If the military impact proved

to be more pronounced than anticipated, however, the resource

utilization situation would need to be observed very closely as

a factor conditioning the formulation of policy.

Loan expansion had moderated, Mr. Clay noted.

Business

loan expansion had moderated somewhat also, although business loan

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growth had continued large.

While loan demand remained strong,

increased use of bank credit was taking place in

the

an economic

environment that remained orderly.

To Mr.

Clay,

analysis of the domestic economy seemed to

indicate the appropriateness

policy of recent weeks,

of a continuation of the monetary

and the international balance of payments

situation appeared to permit the pursuit of that policy.

The

staff analysis under question 5 included the necessary informatior.

concerning the targets involved in the implementation of such a

policy approach.

Mr. Clay would not change the discount rate.

In his judgment,

alternative A of the draft directives would serve satisfactorily as

the economic policy directive.

Mr.

Daane left

the meeting followirg Mr. Clay's remarks.

Mr. Scanlon reported that economic activity in the Seventh

District had remained at high levels during recent weeks.

in

still

the rate of inventory accumulation,

particularly in

Reductions

steel, were

considered a potential source of disruption to the pace of

activity but no other weaknesses were evident.

Prospects for a

continuation of the expansion at or near current rates were good.

A Chicago steel industry analyst reported that it was now

apparent that the peak in the buildup of steel inventories had been

reached in the early part of July, Mr. Scanlon said.

Order backlogs

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in the industry were being "worked off" at a slow and orderly

rate.

Unemployment compensation claims continued to decline in

all District states except Wisconsin.

Mr. Scanlon observed that net farm income in the Midwest

was expected to continue above the year-earlier level during the

remainder of 1965, with gains in livestock, crops, and Government

payments.

Hog and cattle prices were expected to remain above

those of a year ago and larger crops of wheat and feed grains

were in prospect.

A continued strong demand for agricultural loans was

reported by the "agricultural" banks surveyed by the Chicago

Reserve Bank in early July, Mr. Scanlon remarked.

The demand for

loans to finance feeder cattle was expected to be especially

strong this fall because of the large corn crop in prospect,

higher feeder cattle prices, and relatively favorable prices for

slaughter cattle.

Loan pay-offs at the agricultural banks had

been favorable, reflecting the rise of farm income.

Current

developments in the Midwest seemed to indicate the continuation

of a strong underlying business loan demand.

Stepped-up issues

of CDs by the major Chicago banks suggested that they expected

substantial loan demand in coming months.

also showed greater gains than a year ago.

Other types of loans

Real estate

loans at District weekly reporting banks were 21 per cent above a

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year ago and loans to finance companies were up 25 per cent.

The gain in consumer (other) loans had been somewhat less

vigorous--17 per cent.

Although the major Chicago banks showed continued tighten

ing in their basic reserve positions in July, Mr. Scanlon said,

their position was still relatively comfortable.

They had not

increased borrowings at the discount window and had not liquidated

Governments in significant amounts.

Speaking specifically to question 4, Mr. Scanlon shared

Mr. Treiber's view that in providing the substantial amount of

reserves

that the System would be required to inject in the period

between September 1 and the end of the year consideration might

be given to meeting some or all of this need by a reduction in

reserve requicements on time deposits.

Looking to the next three weeks, with the steel settlement

and other uncertainties hanging over the economy, Mr. Scanlon

thought the Committee should maintain about the current policy

posture.

On that basis, he would prefer alternative A for the

directive, as amended by Mr. Mitchell.

Mr. Galusha said that he would omit most of the remarks he

had prepared on recent developments in the Ninth District to avoid

reiterating statements already made in connection with other

Districts.

However, he would note one respect in which the District

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differed from some others--the major city banks had indicated

in an informal survey that they did not expect a resumption of the

heavy loan demand of a few weeks ago.

On the basis of information now available, Mr. Galusha

was inclined toward no change in policy at the present time and,

accordingly, toward alternative A for the directive.

He had some

reservations about that judgment because he was not wholly

confident about the near-term business outlook.

On the other

hand, it was possible that days to come would reveal evidence that

the expanded military effort in connection with Vietnam would

have greater economic effect than it seemed reasonable to expect

at the moment.

Were he to favor additional monetary restraint

at this time it would be because long-term interest rates had

been rising in other major countries and because of the balance

of payments implications inherent in that shift.

He was not sure

of the significance of those current variations, however, and so

was inclined to wait a bit until the impact of the changing

differentials became clearer.

Also, the effects of the Vietnam

buildup might likewise be clearer in a few weeks.

Mr. Galusha indicated that he agreed whole-heartedly with

Mr. Daane's observation that a decision by the Committee to make

no change in policy was a positive act.

He thought, however,

that Mr. Daane's further observation--that modifications in the

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language of the directive should be kept to a minimum when policy

was unchanged--involved a non sequitur.

The directive adopted at

each meeting presumably should reveal the major factors on which

the Committee based its decision at that meeting, and since those

factors ordinarily would change over time it seemed appropriate

to change the language of the directive even though policy was

unchanged.

Mr. Swan said that there had been some small recovery in

the aerospace and defense industry in the Twelfth District in

recent months, before the current Vietnam developments.

To a

considerable extent the recovery was related to an increase in

orders for commercial aircraft.

In light of recent developments,

it certainly :.eemed that there would be sone further rise in

activity in that industry.

concerned,

However, as far as the District was

he would agree with the staff comments under the first

question that in general there as yet had been little public

concern over the possible impact of the defense buildup

and no

significant movement to date toward anticipatory buying.

The District's lumber industry had been in somewhat

better position in recent weeks, Mr. Swan continued, as a result

of the combination of some increase in orders, some rise in

prices, and vacation shutdowns. However, the position of the

industry had not improved significantly over that of a year ago.

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-77The question of the adequacy of the domestic agricultural

labor supply probably would be rising agair soon, Mr. Swan said.

The peak of the tomato harvest period lay ahead, and although

acreage was down sharply from last year there was some question

of whether the harvest could be handled without using Mexican

labor.

Mr. Swan remarked that the advertising compaign of

District savings and loan associations that. he had mentioned at

the previous meeting evidently was not proving to be very success

ful in attracting deposits.

The associations were in a rather

tight position as a consequence of that fact and of the current

efforts of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board to dampen their

borrowing.

As a result, the supply of mortgage funds was likely

to be less than had been anticipated and there might be some

firming of mortgage terms, as had already been noted.

The

reserve positions of District banks continued to be under

considerable pressure.

The banks recently had stepped up their

borrowing from the Reserve Bank and they continued to be net

buyers of Federal funds on a substantial scale.

Mr. Swan agreed with those who felt that in light of

the uncertainties existing at present the Committee should not

make a policy change.

He was encouraged by the fact that non

borrowed reserves had increased by only about 2 per cent in

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July--much less than in June--without any additional upward

pressure on member bank borrowings and net borrowed reserves.

Mr. Swan noted that intra-monthly fluctuations in

reserves were relatively small in August and that the need for

supplying a substantial volume of reserves for seasonal reasons

would not arise until later in the year.

In view of those facts

he wondered whether it might not be appropriate to put a little

more emphasis on the figures for nonborrowed reserves in inter

preting a decision to make no change in policy, at the same time

widening somewhat the target ranges for bo-rowings and net

borrowed reserves in both directions.

If a policy decision for

"no change" was interpreted in terms of supplying about the same

amount of norborrowed reserves in August as in July, a change

toward either stronger or weaker credit demands would be reflected

in the figures for borrowings and net borrowed reserves.

Admittedly,

the Desk might have difficulty in carrying out such an instruction,

but in view of the many uncertainties existing at present it would

be helpful if the Committee could get some better sense of the

nature of market responses during the next few weeks.

Mr. Swan found alternative A acceptable for the directive

with Mr. Mitchell's proposed change.

Perhaps the Committee would

want to use the phrase "to help defend the international position

of the dollar" at some future time, but he did not think it was

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appropriate now.

It seemed to him, as it did to Mr. Galusha,

that if the Committee decided to make no change in policy today

it would be for a set of reasons somewhat different from those

at the previous meeting.

Accordingly, he did not object to the

modifications of language proposed by the staff, although he

agreed that changes should not be made in the directive for their

own sake.

Mr.

Irons reported that there had been little

change during

the past month in most areas of business in the Eleventh District.

Activity was at a high level, and as far as he could tell there

was no evidence of developing softness at this time.

There was

strength in all major categories of employment; unemployment had

declined; department store sales were strong; and both production

and construction were about unchanged at very high levels.

District

businessmen and bankers were quite pleased with economic conditions,

although they were concerned about the various uncertainties that

had been mentioned at the meeting today.

There had been a fractional decline in loans and invest

ments at District banks in the past month, Mr. Irons observed.

The banks were facing strong loan demands, however, and they were

expecting demands to increase in the months ahead.

Several of

the District's larger banks were in a rather tight liquidity

position and had been heavy buyers of Federal funds.

Borrowings

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from the Reserve Bank had not been large--the average was running

at about $35 million--and mainly involved some of the smaller

banks.

However, the Reserve Bank was administering the discount

window fairly strictly under the terms cf Regulation A, and if

administration were relaxed borrowings

substantially.

undoubtedly would rise

Some bankers had commented frankly that they

would prefer to borrow from the Reserve Bank at a rate of 4 per

cent rather than to buy Federal funds at. a 4-1/8 per cent rate.

That situation might raise a question regarding the administration

of the discount window.

He would not pursue the matter at the

meeting, except to note that he was expecting banks as a group

to increase their borrowings and that, with city banks active,

the problem of continuity of borrowing inevitably would arise.

In Mr. Irons' judgment the national economic situation was

strong.

He was optimistic about the outlook, although he recognized

that there would be problems in the months ahead of the kinds others

had noted in connection with inventories, the balance of payments,

and the position of sterling.

Mr. Irons said that his position on policy for the next

three weeks was close to that of Mr. Shepardson.

In view of all

the uncertainties existing he would not want to make an overt change

toward firmness, nor would he move toward greater ease.

As between

no change and a slight shading toward firmness, he had found the

choice to be a close one at the previous meeting and he thought it

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was even closer today.

On balance, however, he would suggest

continuing the posture of the past month during the next three

weeks, maintaining reserve availability and conditions in the

He would not be overly concerned

money market about unchanged.

if the bill rate drifted off; the bill rate had lost much of its

significance recently, with Federal funds often trading at rates

above the discount rate and with the various methods banks had

developed for obtaining funds.

Mr. Irons said he could accept alternative A for the

directive.

He was not particularly happy with the specific

language of the draft, but he thought it would serve the purpose

and did not propose to suggest revisions.

Mr. Latham reported that recent eccnomic trends in the

First District paralleled national trends fairly closely.

Nonagricultural employment registered further gains during the

month of June.

Nonmanufacturing employment slightly exceeded

the normal seasonal pattern, while manufacturing employment was

about in line with seasonal expectations.

Percentage-wise, the

net rise from a year ago remained at 2.2 per cent compared with

3.8 per cent for the country as a whole.

Average weekly hours

of manufacturing production workers rose to 41.4 hours from 41.1

in May and 40.5 a year ago.

There was a slight downward revision

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in the manufacturing production index for the District in June,

bringing it to the lowest point since February, but the index

still reflected a net rise of 7.7 per cent from a year ago.

Construction contracts continued their erratic monthly

course in June, Mr. Latham observed.

As a result a cumulative

lag of 5 per cent in nonresidential contracts and a cumulative

gain of 1 per cent in the residential area was recorded for the

first six months of the year in comparison with last year.

Mixed trends were in evidence in consumer spending,

Mr. Latham continued.

Deposits at reporting savings banks showed

a slightly less vigorous growth in June due to heavier with

drawals, which were 9.9 per cent larger than in June 1964 and

compared with new deposit growth of 3.3 per cent.

The 12 months'

gain in the net balance was accordingly further narrowed, to

8.2 per cent.

First District bank experience had generally paralleled

that in the nation, Mr. Latham said.

Total loans, although down,

were not down to the extent that might normally be expected

following the substantial June rise.

to expand.

Real estate loans continued

Government security holdings were further reduced and

the upward trend of time deposits was still in evidence.

ratio of loans to deposits of District reporting banks was

The

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75 per cent on July 28 compared with 70.1 per cent for the

country.

Average daily borrowings at the discount window during

the four weeks ended August 4 were relatively light.

Bankers' expectations were that loan demand would continue

its strength on a generally broad base, Mr. Latham observed.

A

steel strike, military needs, or an intensification of the sterling

crisis were the imponderables.

Eliminating extremes in those areas,

it was anticipated that business would continue good and that loan

demand would be on the high side of seasonal limits.

Mr. Balderston said he shared the fears that had been

expressed by some members of the Committee, including Mr. Treiber.

The present season often had been referred to as that of "summer

doldrums' in past years, with that term used to explain, or perhaps

to rationalize, unsatisfactory figures for the domestic economy.

This year, however, there was strength in business at home but

worries abroac.

In view of the complexities of the present

situation he would continue current policy at least until the

next meeting.

At that time the Committee might need to consider

adopting a different policy.

Chairman Martin noted that at the previous meeting of the

Committee he had observed that in his judgment the only important

recent change had been in psychology.

To a certain extent the

same observation seemed warranted at today's meeting.

There was

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one point, however, that he thought needed to be emphasizedas President Johnson had said recently, the country was at war

in Vietnam.

Many might view the hostilities there as a small

war, or a brush fire, but he did not.

In his judgment it was

necessary for the Committee to bear in mind that, while there

had been no declaration of war, a war-time psychology might be

developing more rapidly than was generally realized.

The Chairman went on to say that most members seemed to

agree today that no change should be made in policy.

Those

whose views differed favored so modest a change that it would

be difficult, in his opinion, to spell it out in the directive.

He proposed that the Committee vote on a directive consisting

of the suggested alternative A, with the change Mr. Mitchell

had suggested.

Mr. Treiber commented that Mr. Mitchell had proposed

substituting the words "to maintain" the international position

of the dollar for the staff's suggested words, "to help defend."

In preference to either, he would like to see the words "to

strengthen" used.

He noted that the previous directive had

included the phrase "to reinforce the voluntary restraint

program to strengthen the international positions of the dollar,"

and he thought it would be undesirable to drop the word "strengthen."

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-85Mr. Mitchell said that Mr. Treiber's suggestion was agreeable

to him.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

was authorized and directed, until

otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System

Account in accordance with the follow

ing current economic policy directive:

The economic and financial developments reviewed at

this meeting indicate that the domestic economy has

expanded further, but at a slower pace than early in the

year, and that the improvement in our international

payments that occurred in the second quarter has been

maintained for the time being, although gold outflows

have continued and international developments are

creating uncertainties in securities and foreign

exchange markets. In this situation, it remains the

Federal Open Market Committee's currer.t policy to

strengthen the international position of the dollar,

and to avoid the emergence of inflationary pressures,

while accommodating moderate growth in the reserve

base, bank credit, and the money supply.

To implement this policy, System open market

operations over the next three weeks shall be conducted

with a view to maintaining about the same conditions in

the money market as have prevailed in recent weeks,

while taking into account the Treasury financing about

to be completed and the unsettled conditions in

securities and foreign exchange markets.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would be

held on Tuesday, August 31, 1965, at 9:30 a.m.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

cretary

ATTACHMENT A

CONFIDENTIAL

(FR)

August 9,

1965

Drafts of Current Economic Policy Directive for Consideration by

the Federal Open Market Committee at its meeting on August 10, 1965

Note: Because of the divergent interpretations of recent economic and

financial developments expressed at the July 13 meeting, three alternative

drafts of the directive are given below.

Alternative A (no change)

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this meeting

indicate that the domestic economy has expanded further, but at a slower

pace than early in the year, and that the improvement in our international

payments that occurred in the second quarter has been maintained for the

time being, although gold outflows have continued and international

developments are creating uncertanties in securities and foreign exchange

markets. In this situation, it remains the Federal Open Market Committee's

current policy to help defend the international position of the dollar,

and to avoid the emergence of inflationary pressures, while accommodating

moderate growth in the reserve base, bank credit, and the money supply.

To implement this policy, System open market operations over

the next three weeks shall be conducted with a view to maintaining about

the same conditions in the money market as have prevailed in recent weeks,

while taking into account the Treasury financing about to be completed

and the unsettled conditions in securities and foreign exchange markets.

Alternative B (firming)

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this meeting

indicate that the domestic economy has expanded further, some prices

have been under upward pressure, bank credit and money supply expansion

has been vigorous over recent months, and prospects are that increased

Federal expenditures as a result of hostilities in Vietnam will expand

overall demand in the months ahead. Although U.S. capital outflow has

been moderate, reflecting the large initial impact of the Administration's

balance of payments program, the trade surplus has diminished, gold

outflows have continued, and international developments are creating

uncertainties in securities and foreign exchange markets. In this

situation, it is the Federal Open Market Committee's current policy to

help defend the international position of the dollar, and to avoid the

emergence of inflationary pressures, by moderating growth in the reserve

base, bank credit, and the money supply.

CONFIDENTAL (FR)

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To implement this policy, System open market operations over the

next three weeks shall be conducted with a view to attaining somewhat

firmer conditions in the money market, while taking into account tne

Treasury financing about to be completed and the unsettled conditions

in securities and foreign exchange markets.

Alternative C (easing)

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting indicate that the domestic economy has expanded further,

although at a slower pace than early in the year. Inventories have

continued to accumulate, particularly of steel, and final demands

appear to be rising more slowly than industrial productive capacity.

Recent price movements have been mixed and noncumulative in nature.

Some long-term interest rates are up moderately this year. The

improved position of our international payments has been maintained,

and gold takings by foreign central banks have been somewhat reduced,

but international developments are causing uncertainties in securities

and foreign exchange markets. In this situation, it is the Federal

Open Market Committee's current policy to facilitate fuller utilization

of resources while helping to defend the international position of the

dollar and to avoid the emergence of inflationary pressures, by accom

modating moderate growth in the reserve base, bank credit, and the

money supply.

To implement this policy, System open market operations over

the next three weeks shall be conducted with a view to attaining

somewhat easier conditions in the money market, taking into account

the Treasury financing about to be completed and the unsettled condi

tions in securities and foreign exchange markets.

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APA
Federal Reserve (1965, August 9). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19650810
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19650810,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1965},
  month = {Aug},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19650810},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}