fomc minutes · December 13, 1965

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington, D. C.,

PRESENT:

Mr.

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on Tuesday, December 14, 1965, at 9:30 a.m.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Ellis

Galusha

Maisel

Mitchell

Patterson

Robertson

Scanlon

Shepardson

Messrs. Bopp, Hickman, Clay, and Irons, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Wayne, Shuford, and Swan, Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Richmond, St.

Louis, and San Francisco, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Brill, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Holland, Koch, Taylor, and

Willis, Associate Economists

Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open

Market Account

Mr. Solomon, Adviser to the Board of Governors

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Partee, Associate Director, Division of

Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Hersey, Adviser, Division of International

Finance, Board of Governors

Mr. Axilrod, Associate Adviser, Division of

Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

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Messrs. Link, Eastburn, Mann, Ratchford, Jones,

Fossum, Tow, Green, and Craven, Vice

Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks of

New York, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond,

St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Dallas,

and San Francisco, respectively

Mr. Meek, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the minutes of the meeting

of the Federal Open Market Committee held on

November 23, 1965, were approved.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the action taken by members

of the Federal Open Market Committee on

December 6, 1965, amending paragraph 1 (a) of

the continuing authority directive to increase

the aggregate amount by which System holdings

of U.S. Government securities can be changed

between meetings of the Committee by $500 million,

from $1.5 to $2.0 billion, was ratified.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions and on Open

Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies for the

period November 23 through December 8, 1965, and a supplemental

report for December 9 through 13, 1965.

Copies of these reports

have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs

said the Treasury gold stock probably would remain unchanged again

this week.

The French seemed likely to buy about $70 million in

gold from the Stabilization Fund, reflecting their November surplus.

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That would just about exhaust the Stabilization Fund's gold holdings,

and unless the Russians made sales in the market, it probably would

be necessary to reduce the Treasury gold stock by $50 or $75 million

before the year end.

It was his impression that the heavy gold sales

the Russians had made earlier in the fall--about $300 million--had

left them in a relatively comfortable foreign exchange position.

Thus, there might not be as much help from that source as had been

hoped.

The London gold market had been in reasonable balance

recently, with the fixing price fluctuating in a $35.11-$35.13

range.

The basic supply and demand situation in that market was

not good, however, and there was a possibility that it would get

worse rather than better during the coming year.

On the exchange markets, Mr. Coombs continued, there was a

minimum of disturbance on Monday, December 6, following the System's

discount rate action.

bottomed out.

Sterling declined on the news but quickly

The Bank of England intervened to a limited extent-

about $9 or $10 million--and the Federal Reserve put in a bid for

sterling at the New York opening.

to stabilize the market.

Those actions were sufficient

Since then sterling had moved up and the

Bank of England had taken in dollars.

Mr. Coombs noted that the British trade figures for November,

released this morning, showed relatively small increases in both

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exports and imports and some minor narrowing of the trade gap.

Those figures were likely to have little effect on market psychology.

The total improvement in the British position since September now

came to $1.4 billion, of which about $400 million had been added to

reserves, $415 million used to repay short-term debt, and about $600

million used to liquidate maturing forward contracts.

The British

were now moving into what in the past had been a seasonally strong

period running from January into May, and the seasonal increase in

their earnings could be greatly accentuated by reversals of leads

and lags.

As to the Euro-dollar market, Mr. Coombs continued, useful

results were flowing from the Federal Reserve suggestion at the

Basle meeting in October that central banks make a joint effort to

control or offset window dressing operations by commercial banks.

The Swiss commercial banks had already been doing a good deal of

window dressing but, under an arrangement worked out by the Swiss

National Bank and the Bank for International Settlements, money

flowing to Zurich was being channeled back into the Euro-dollar market,

thus limiting rate increases there.

The Dutch and Germans also were

being helpful in this connection, and he expected the Italians to

take similar steps before the year end.

As the Committee would recall,

a number of the drawings the System had made on its swap lines last

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year were required because of commercial bank window dressing.

Insofar as European central banks could cake care of the matter

themselves it was all to the good.

In response to Mr. Balderston's question about the outlook for

the U.S. gold stock during the coming year, Mr. Coombs replied that

much would depend on the size of the French surplus, which this year

was running even larger than last year--it probably would come to

over $1 billion in 1965--and their policy with respect to it.

If

the French continued their present policy, there would be a one

to-one relationship--every dollar the French took in during 1966

would result in a drain on the U.S. gold stock.

As far as the other

European countries were concerned, there were not likely to be any

serious drains, assuming that the U.S. balance of payments did not

slip back into a heavy deficit.

There would, of course, be shifts

of dollars among the various countries, but if U.S. payments were

close to balance the countries taking in dollars probably would feel

under :ome obligation not to convert them into gold but rather to

deal with the situation through such means as the swap network or

the facilities of the International Monetary Fund.

One other pos

sibility of large gold drains was through the London market; as the

Committee knew, the U.S. was responsible for covering 50 per cent of

any sales in that market, and if there were difficulties there it

was conceivable that the operations could be costly.

On balance,

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however, he would say that if the French did not run a large

surplus or if they changed their policy the outlook for the U.S.

gold stock for next year would be relatively good.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System open market transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

November 23 through December 13, 1965,

were approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Chairman Martin noted that Mr. Hayes had just returned from

a BIS meeting in Basle, and invited him to comment.

Mr. Hayes reported that solid and enthusiastic approbation

of the System's recent rate actions had been expressed at the meeting.

Several of the participating central bankers had assured him that

despite serious inflationary pressures in their own countries they

did not intend to increase their discount rates further in the near

future.

They thought the System's actions would lend support to the

effort to achieve equilibrium in the U.S. balance of payments, and

they recognized the danger that prompt offsetting rate increases

abroad would seriously weaken the effects of those actions.

Mr. Hayes said he might mention one other subject, of a

highly confidential character, that had been discussed in Basle.

For some months there had been a widespread view among central

bankers that some effort should be made to analyze the problem

posed for the United Kingdom by the existence of large sterling

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balances abroad.

Possible shifts in those balances continued to

pose a threat to the stability of international financial markets,

apart from the difficulties arising from U.K. deficits.

They

recognized the danger that information to the effect that the subject

was under study might encourage speculative movements of funds, and

the Bank of England had asked that any study be confined to the group

of central banks represented at the meeting and to as small a number

of individuals as possible.

There had been some discussion of the

matter at the special meetings of technical experts in Basle in

October and November, and at the meeting of the Governors in October.

However, the discussions at the earlier meetings as well as at that

held during the past weekend had been confined entirely to procedural

questions regarding when and by whom suggestions should be made as to

possible courses of action.

Mr. Hayes was hopeful that if the matter was handled wisely

some kind of British swap network, roughly

comparable to the U.S.

network, might be developed with the principal continental countries

in due course.

in.

It was not clear at the moment how the U.S. would fit

A British network of that kind was not imminent; presumably there

would be further discussions at the monthly Basle meetings, and quite

a few months might elapse before anything concrete was heard on the

subject.

Mr. Hayes concluded by stressing the confidentiality of the

fact that such discussions were in progress.

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Mr. Coombs then recommended renewal of the twelve-month,

$250 million standby swap arrangement with the Bank of Canada,

maturing on December 28, 1965, and three six-month, $150 million

arrangements maturing on January 20, 1966.

The latter included the

standby arrangements with the Bank for International Settlements

and the Swiss National Bank, under which the System could draw Swiss

francs, and the standby arrangement with the BIS under which the

System could draw other European currencies.

At the moment there

were no drawings outstanding on any of the four swap lines.

Renewal of the four swap arrange

ments, as recommended by Mr. Coombs,

was approved.

Mr. Coombs then noted that the Bank of England had $475

million currently outstanding on its swap line with the System, in

addition to a debt of $200 million to the BIS.

On December 30, 1965,

a $275 million drawing on the System, which had been renewed once,

would again mature.

The Bank of England probably would want to

request a second renewal of that drawing in view of the desirability

of showing a reasonably good reserve position at the end of the

month, during which there had been a number of disturbances, including

those resulting from developments in Rhodesia.

On January 28, 1966, Mr. Coombs continued, the remaining

$200 million of the $475 million outstanding would reach a six-month

maturity, and the question would arise as to whether that drawing

should be renewed.

As he had mentioned earlier, the British were

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heading into what had been a seasonally strong period in the past.

Conceivably, they could repay all of their debts to the U.S. and

the BIS out of their reserve gains, although in view of all the

uncertainties in the world today that expectation might be somewhat

optimistic.

The question was whether the British should not make

a special effort to clear up their debts in January or February by

using part of the portfolio of U.S. securities that they had been

progressively liquefying.

He personally was persuaded that that

would be a useful thing for them to do--for the sake not only of

their own credit rating but also from the point of view of the

integrity of the whole swap system.

Otherwise, it was possible that

the drawings in question would run on through the spring and summer

months.

Among other disadvantages, such a development might harden

the position of those central banks that saw serious dangers of

abuse of international credit facilities.

Moreover, by repaying

the System and the BIS within the next month or two, the British

would greatly improve the chances of negotiating swap arrangements

with some other countries, along the lines that Mr. Hayes had

mentioned.

In sum, Mr. Coombs said, he saw many compelling arguments

for the British to make a special effort to clear up the swaps in

January or February of 1966.

The question currently was being

debated by the U.K. authorities.

In accordance with his understanding

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of the Committee's views he had taken the position that, while

the Committee had a one-year limit on drawings under its swap lines,

once any drawing extended beyond six months the Committee became

concerned and assumed that the other central bank involved did also.

Mr. Coombs said he was bringing the matter to the Committee's

attention in order to obtain guidance.

In effect, he recommended

that the Committee approve second renewals of the $275 million

drawing maturing in December and of the $200 million drawing matur

ing in January if requested by the Bank of England, but with the

hope expressed that the drawings would be cleared up as soon as

possible.

Mr. Mitchell commented that repayment of the drawings

appeared desirable not only for the reasons Mr. Coombs had mentioned

but also because window dressing of central bank accounts made their

true financial situation difficult to determine.

There had been

many discussions within the System of the need to make its own

accounts fully reflect the true state of its affairs.

Whether the

Bank of England should engage in window dressing was for that Bank

to decide, but the Committee should examine carefully any policy

of its own that accommodated such actions by other central banks.

Mr. Coombs remarked that he shared Mr. Mitchell's concern.1/

1/ Four sentences have been deleted at this point for one of the

reasons cited in the preface. The deleted material reported further

observations by Mr. Coombs concerning factors bearing on recent

British transactions.

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Mr. Hayes expressed sympathy with the comments of both

Messrs. Mitchell and Coombs.

While be assumed that there was no

need for formal action on the subject,

he thought it

Coombs to know whether it

helpful to Mr.

would be

was the general sense of

the Committee that the British should be encouraged to clear up

the swap lines soon,

Mr.

Shepardson noted that he had raised questions on a

number of occasions concerning drawings that appeared to be running

on for extended periods.

He concurred fully with Mr. Coombs'

recommendation.

Chairman Martin commented that the observations

been made should prove helpful to Mr.

Coombs,

that had

and the latter concurred.

Possible renewal of the two swap

drawings by the Bank of England was noted

without objection.

Mr.

Coombs'

final recommendation related to the System's

swap with the BIS of German marks against Swiss francs, in the

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amount of $40 million.

He recommended renewal of this swap,

which matured on January 10, 1966, for another three months.

Renewal of the German mark-Swiss

franc swap with the Bank for International

Settlements for a further period of three

months was noted without objection.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the

members of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System

Open Market Account covering open market operations in U.S.

Government securities and bankers' acceptances for the period

November 23 through December 8, 1965, and a supplemental report

for December 9 through 13,

1965.

Copies of both reports have

been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes

commented as follows:

The general reaction of the securities markets to

the change in the discount rate announced on December 5

was one of relief that the air had been cleared by a

decisive move indicating that market forces of supply

and demand had been taken into account by official action.

There was some surprise at the timing, a measure of concern

over the inevitable loss that dealers incurred in their

portfolios, and some fear that competitive factors might

tend to put continuing upward pressure on short rates.

The initial rate reactions, which were swift and

orderly, have been spelled out in the written reports.

Government securities dealers marked prices 1/2 to 1

point lower in intermediate- and long-term securities

on Monday morning after the change had been announced,

with some modest improvement in prices over the remainder

of that week. A sizable bulge in the yield curve developed

with issues in the 2-5 year area rising to about 4-3/4 per

cent (up about 20 basis points), tailing off to about 4-1/2

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per cent (up about 6 basis points) in the longer area.

The greater yield rise in the shorter area of coupon

issues reflected the market's knowledge that the 4-1/4

per cent interest ceiling will force the Treasury to

confine its financing within a maturity span of 5 years.

Treasury bill rates also reacted sharply, with

most issues rising by 15-20 basis points. The timing

of the discount rate announcement gave the market a

chance to make its initial adjustment before the auction

on Monday, December 6, when average rates of 4.34 and

4.47 per cent were established for 3- and 6-month bills,

respectively. Subsequent trading was carried on close

to these rates before the weekend, although some heavi

ness developed in the longer bill maturities.

In the corporate and municipal markets, prices also

declined by about a point, raising yields by 7-10 basis

points. At the new levels, new issues coming into the

market met with good reception and distribution of older

issues improved, with a moderate price recovery in

process towards the end of the week. Rates on bankers'

acceptances, commercial and financial paper, and certif

icates of deposit also were adjusted upward. At this

juncture, it appears that most commercial banks are using

their new-found freedom under Regulation Q with restraint,

although there has been much speculation about the future

course of CD rates. Most banks in New York City were

paying about 4.40 to 4-1/2 per cent on 30-day CDs, 4-5/8

per cent on 3-month CDs and 4-3/4 per cent on 6-month or

longer deposits. One large bank, however, has moved its

3-month rate to 4-3/4 per cent.

System operations after the discount rate change were

directed first to the provision of ample reserves to

facilitate the market adjustment and then to a cautious

absorption of reserves in the general context of stable

and orderly markets. At the opening of the market on

Monday, December 6, the System bought $270 million

Treasury bills in a market go-around, with purchases well

distributed among the dealers. The reserves thus supplied

subsequently led to a very comfortable tone in the money

market; Federal funds, which initially traded at 4-1/2 per

cent, moved to 1 per cent or below by Wednesday. With a

steady atmosphere prevailing in the securities markets by

then, and with a market scarcity of shorter-dated bills

for which there was a good demand, the System sold $139

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million December and January bills in a modified market

go-around.

In a similar operation on Thursday, an

additional $100 million short bills were sold. Last

week's free reserve figure of $9 million was interpreted

by the market, as we expected, as reflecting only a

temporary extra supply of reserves to cushion the market

adjustment.

Thus, by last Friday the market seemed to have

settled down substantially, and, based on our then current

estimates, net borrowed reserves of over $100 million

appeared likely for the statement week ending December 15.

Yesterday, however, a further professional reassess

ment of the rate structure took place, stemming, as far

as we can gather, from market letters stressing the

potential inflationary tendencies in the economy and from

reports that led some market participants to believe that

a further U.S. buildup in Vietnam would be necessary before

our objectives there could be achieved. Prices of Government

notes and bonds fell by 1/4 to 3/8 points, with yields in

the 2-5 year area reaching as high as 4.80 per cent; prices

of corporate bonds also moved lower. Treasury bill rates

also moved higher, and bidding in yesterday's auctions was

extremely cautious, with the three- and six-month bills

averaging 4.39 and 4.55 per cent, respectively. A tighter

tone also prevailed in the Federal funds market, while

dealer lending rates at New York banks moved higher, after

demonstrating surprising stability before the weekend.

Before the market reaction set in, wire reports had

indicated that reserve availability on Friday had been some

$300 million in excess of expectations, and that, as a

consequence, about $50 million free reserves were now being

projected for the current statement week. Despite this,

we felt it desirable to supply the market with about $180

million in reserves through over-night repurchase agreements

as market tightness began to contribute to the deterioration

in atmosphere before the Treasury bill auctions. In the

auction itself System tenders were submitted, as noted in

the supplementary report, at marginal prices to guard against

an unusually sharp rate adjustment. In the event, the System

was awarded $112 million Treasury bills, while $145 million

I would hope that the new reserve figures

were redeemed.

that became available today, together with market developments

as the day progresses, will permit a more satisfactory assess

ment of the situation than now seems possible. Further

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adjustments may be necessary before market participants

regain confidence in the tenability of rate levels. On

the other hand, a technical reaction that would move

rates lower cannot be ruled out.

To leave an immediate perplexing period and return

to an earlier one, I should confess that my colleagues and

I at the Trading Desk were somewhat apprehensive on Sunday

and Monday a week ago about the reserve absorption job

that lay immediately ahead. At that time projections

indicated that we would have to absorb about $600 million

in reserves by the week ending December 22 in order to

get back to a net borrowed reserve position of $100 million.

With the extent of the market reaction still uncertain, we

had some doubt about its ability to absorb outright sales

of bills in that magnitude without producing substantial

additional upward pressure on rates, and we did some

intensive thinking about possible modification of operating

techniques that might be useful in carrying out System

objectives. In the event no innovation has yet proved

necessary; the sales last week already noted, plus the

runoff of $145 million bills in yesterday's auction, have

accomplished much of the job to be done. Nevertheless,

it seems worthwhile to give further study to possible changes

in System operating techniques that could prove useful in

such special situations. With this in mind we are preparing

a paper to be discussed with the Committee staff and eventually

submitted to the Open Market Committee if this appears desirable

after further analysis.

We are, of course, moving into a period of active

Treasury cash financing. It appears likely that the Treasury

will announce the broad outline of its plans to raise new

money within a week to ten days, with the first stageprobably an additional issue of June tax bills--under way

before the year end. Market developments will determine

whether there can be a note offering in addition to the tax

bill offering and an increase in the regular Treasury bill

cycle.

In response to a question by Mr. Swan, Mr. Holmes said that

the Treasury's tax bill offering probably would be in the neighborhood

of $1 billion.

The market had been on notice that there would be an

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additional offering of tax bills.

The various offerings would

probably be for payment in January, but the first stage would be

announced before the end of the year.

In reply to Mr. Mitchell's question as to what kind of

directive might be appropriate in the current unsettled state of

the market, Mr. Holmes remarked that it was necessary to recognize

that the relations among the various money market measures were in

a state of flux, and that further experience was necessary before

patterns of consistent relations could be discovered.

Mr. Mitchell

then commented that he did not understand from Mr. Holmes' earlier

statement how a directive could best be formulated.

If he understood

Mr. Holmes correctly, after the discount rate action the bill rate

initially settled down at about 4.35 per cent, and that situation

persisted for a week.

nature was developing.

Now, however, a new situation of an unclear

Presumably a bill rate in, say, the 4.35

4.40 range would no longer be an appropriate guideline.

At the same

time he gathered that a net borrowed reserve target of, say, $100

million also would not be reasonable now.

Mr. Holmes said he hoped that some better clues as to where

the market was going would be available before today was over.

In

his judgment the bill rate guideline that Mr. Mitchell had mentioned

probably would be too narrow at present, while the market was still

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in process of finding its way.

His personal view was that a

combination of the factors used in measuring market conditions,

including rates, should be taken into account.

Thus, if bill rates

were tending higher, there would be a move toward greater reserve

availability; if bill rates were tending down, reserve availability

would be reduced.

Mr. Hickman asked whether a succession of net free reserve

figures in the next few weeks might not confuse the market with

respect to the Committee's intentions.

Mr. Holmes replied that

such a risk would exist unless there was continuing upward pressure

on short-term rates.

If bills continued to press higher the market

probably would not be misled by free reserve figures.

Mr. Maisel commented that in the study Mr. Holmes had

mentioned he hoped there would be some consideration of the relations

between money market variables and developments with respect to bank

credit and money.

He recognized that in its day-to-day operations

the Desk had to concern itself with such variables as marginal reserves

and bill rates, but it was important that the relations between these

operating variables and the Committee's more fundamental objectives

be clarified.

Mr. Holmes agreed that such analyses were highly desirable,

but as the Committee knew it was difficult to assess credit develop

ments on a month-to-month basis, and far more difficult on a shorterterm basis.

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Mr. Hayes remarked it often might take several months to

determine the existing relations between conditions in the money

market and developments with respect to money and credit.

Mr. Mitchell then asked how Mr. Holmes would interpret the

second paragraph of the proposed directive drafted by the staff.1/

Specifically, would he view it as calling for operations to "moderate

further adjustments" in either direction?

Mr. Holmes replied in the

affirmative, saying that he would interpret the draft as calling for

reducing reserve availability if rates were going down and increasing

reserve availability if rates were tending higher.

In response to a question Mr. Holmes said that at the

moment the Desk estimated free reserves of about $70 million for

the statement week ending tomorrow(December 15), assuming no further

operations.

The figure, of course, was subject to revision.

Mr. Hickman said he thought that publication of such a figure

would be bound to have a psychological effect that might be viewed

as unfortunate later on.

Chairman Martin commented that he thought the situation

would change after seasonal pressures ebbed later in the month.

period immediately ahead was the difficult one.

1/ Appended to these minutes as Attachment A.

The

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Mr. Hickman said he would be inclined to let rates move up

during the period of seasonal pressures since free reserve figures

were bound to cause comment.

Mr. Hayes observed that excessive

fluctuations in the bill rate might lead to exaggerated views of

what the Committee was attempting to do

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions in Govern

ment securities and bankers' acceptances

during the period November 23 through

December 13, 1965, were approved, ratified,

and confirmed.

Chairman Martin called at this point for the staff economic

and financial reports, supplementing the written reports that had

been distributed prior to the meeting, copies of which have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

Mr. Holland made the following statement on economic

conditions:

The key business statistics becoming available since

the last meeting of the Committee can be divided into two

chief groups: (a) those historical numbers that indicate

the economy has been growing more vigorously than previously

thought this fall; and (b) projected numbers that also imply

a more expansive course for the economy in the months ahead.

The first group has to be called noninflationary, for

they show mainly that, given the credit and price performance

to date, a somewhat larger amount of real production, invest

ment, and employment was taking place than had previously been

surmised. Three developments are particularly noteworthy.

First is November's widely spread increase in nonfarm employ

ment, which amounted to the biggest net creation of jobs of

any month in 1965. Second is the striking increase in the

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industrial production index in November to a level of 145.5.

This number, confidential until tomorrow, is more than a

point higher than the revised October level, which has in

turn been marked up nearly 1 point above the preliminary

October estimate. Third is the upward revision in the

extimated[sic]

level of business plant and equipment expenditures,

amounting to $1.5 billion in the third quarter just past

and carrying through in somewhat larger dimension into the

current quarter. Clearly we have managed to employ more

resources, add more to our capacity, and turn out more

product that we thought we were doing earlier.

In the price arena, meanwhile, the most significant

single index, that for wholesale prices of industrial

commodities, has continued to edge up through November at

about the rate prevailing since midyear. Small and

selective increases continue to be the principal ingred

ients in the advance in this price index.

The focus of concern has been shifting, however, from

how prices have performed thus far to how they might perform

in the future. This shift reflects the impact of the second

grouping of business statistics released in recent weeksthose showing strong business, consumer, and Federal Government

spending intentions over the months ahead.

The new Commerce-SEC survey shows business plant and

equipment expenditures moving on up from current levels

(that were themselves revised upward) at a 13.5 per cent

annual rate in the first quarter of next year and a 15.2

per cent rate in the second quarter. Even assuming no

further increase after mid-1966, these numbers imply rates

of expenditure significantly higher than the McGraw-Hill

survey takkn one month earlier. The just-released commerce

estimates for next year's construction outlays show plant

construction figures that seem broadly consistent with these

stronger expectations as to capital outlays.

The other major area of spending prospects on which

attention should be focused this morning is the Federal

budget for the remainder of fiscal 1966. Spending, partic

ularly military spending, is headed higher, and the only

question is how much. The Administration's release of a

global estimate of budget expenditures in the $105-$107

billion range galvanized analysts everywhere into agonizing

reappraisals; for expenditures thus far this year seemed to

be running so far below such a level that the implicit

step-up in spending for the remainder of the year appeared

incredible. Our own Government finance analysts dutifully

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(but skeptically) built a $105 billion assumption into the

table following page III-15 in your "green book,"1/ but

we stubbornly held to an implicitly lower rate of increase

in the GNP projections shown on page II-3.

At the moment, the latter approach seems to run closest

to what might be called the "maximum likelihood" estimate

within the Government as to the level of Federal activity

over the next two quarters. Such estimates currently

might imply total budget expenditures for fiscal 1966 of

just under $104 billion, a net cash deficit to be financed

of $4 billion, and--perhaps most significantly from an

expansionary point of view--a full employment surplus

over the next half year of around $1 billion, little

changed from the second half of calendar 1965 and $2.5

billion more stimulative than that portrayed only three

weeks ago in the green book and the chart show.

Insofar as timing is concerned, higher Social Security

taxes effective January 1 will introduce a transitory

degree of fiscal restraint, but before the first quarter

is over that effect will be more than counterbalanced by

rising Federal purchases. Moreover, some further enhance

ment of this fiscal stimulus cannot be ruled out, either

from further escalation in outlays for Viet Nam, or

failure to realize some hoped-for slowdowns of the Great

Society programs--all this despite possibly greater

resort to financial asset sales that could serve to reduce

the deficit on paper but in fact would only change the

form of its financing.

I have dwelled on the possible future shape of the

Federal budget and business capital outlays this morning

because of their special significance for the future.

In our chart show three weeks ago, we concluded,

".

..

new

price pressures could develop if military activities

increase substantially or investment spending rises much

faster than is now indicated." The evidence received

in the ensuing weeks would seem to suggest that, in both

these crucial categories, projections are now straining

and very possibly exceeding the tolerances of that earlier

model. Avoidance of enhanced upward price pressures as

1966 progresses would seem, from this viewpoint, to depend

(1) more success

upon either or both of two factors:

1/ The report, "Current Economic and Financial Conditions,"

prepared by the Board's staff for the Committee.

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by Administration deficit-cutters than I, for one, now

expect, and/or (2) a gentle but pervasive moderating

influence on spending growing out of the higher credit

costs that have evolved this fall, capped by the reaction

to the discount rate increase.

Immediate spending patterns seem to me to be such

as to give policymakers a little time co appraise the

interaction of these two moderating influences; but only

time can tell whether they will prove sufficient to the task.

In

the discussion following his statement, Mr.

Holland

said that the $104 billion figure for Federal budget expenditures

for fiscal 1966,

to which he had referred, was believed to be the

current "maximum likelihood" estimate by technical experts within

the Government.

The Board's staff concurred in

this estimate

although, of couse, it contained a large element of conjecture.

Mr. Brill noted that the figure of $105 billion implied an increase

in the estimate of Federal spending for the second calendar quarter

of 1966 of nearly $3 billion.

In further discussion Mr. Holland

indicated that the results of the recent Commerce-SEC plant and

equipment survey would imply upward revisions

in

the GNP figures

for the third and fourth quarters of 1965 of about $1 billion, but

those revisions had not yet been made in

Mr.

the ofiicial figures.

Brill made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

The initial responses in financial markets to the

discount rate and Regulation Q changes last week have bee

ably described in the Manager's report to the Committee,

Further, it would seem prema

and I have nothing to add.

ture to offer any predictions now as to what may ultimately

be a more permanent equilibrium level for credit flows

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and interest rates. Certainly we can't assume that we're

over the hump of market reactions. Pa-ticipants are still

exegetically examining our statements, particularly the

commitment for ". . . the continued provision of additional

reserves to the banking system in amounts sufficient to

meet seasonal pressures as well as the credit needs of

an expanding economy without promoting inflationary

excesses .

.

The first week's rise in marginal reserves to a small

net positive figure was apparently accepted for what it

was--a partly accidental result of attempts to cushion the

immediate impact of the official rate and ceiling actions.

The market certainly doesn't expect a string of positive

numbers for this variable. But what isn't clear to the

market is how far back into the negative marginal reserves

may slip or, for that matter, what any given marginal

reserve measure will mean under the new rules of the game.

The market is not alone in this confusion, because

it's not evident to me that we're all in accord on how

the usual policy variables ought to behave under a policy

of higher ceiling rates and somewhat increased monetary

restraint.

Since I've nothing to add to the review of

the recent past, and have little basis for predicting the

near-term future, I thought it might be helpful to explore

the general subject ofpolicy guides this morning.

Let's begin with aggregate flows and, in particular,

bank credit. I have argued often that bank credit changes

are imperfect guides to, or targets of, policy under

regulatory conditions which foster bank competition for

savings flows. The Board's actions last week make the

bank credit total more difficult than ever to interpret

for policy assessment. If banks do take advantage of

the flexibility under Regulation Q to bid more aggressively

for corporate and consumer saving, some acceleration in

bank crecit growth is likely, but this could well be en

tirely consistent with the System's effort to increase

monetary restraint. A diversion of saving flows from

other intermediaries into banks is not per se inflationary.

In fact, depending upon the composition of credit demands

and on System attitudes toward the provision of reserves,

it can prove to be quite restrictive. Therefore, if one

has to look at some credit flow measures as gauges of

policy, one had better include total credit flows, not

just the bank component. If we focus on slowing the

expansion in bank credit, while at the same time encouraging

banks to become more important credit intermediaries, we'll

really see interest rates soar.

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I must confess that, while I expect some acceleration

in time deposit growth, I don't expect a rise on the order

of that which followed earlier increases in Regulation Q

ceilings, when banks responded fairly promptly and the

public responded to the banks. For one thing, corporate

liquidity is much lower, and business needs for funds to

finance real investment are growing rapidly. Banks may

find it rather expensive to add significantly to their

negotiable CD totals.

They may also be reluctant to push

harder in the competition for consumer saving. Banks have

been doing very well against their competitors, even under

existing pass book ceiling rates which weren't raised last

week.

And the devices available to apply the new higher

ceilings to consumer saving--savings bonds and savings

certificates--usually carry long-term commitments to pay

these higher rates, commitments which may cause more

prudent bankers to reflect a bit before joining in the

competition.

But whether banks do or do not go after a

larger share of the savings flow--or whether or not they

are sucessful--is more a matter of supervisory concern

than a test of the effectiveness of monetary policy.

Credit diverted through, rather than created by, the

banking system is no cause for inflationary alarm.

Turning to another of the commonly used policy ar

iables, I wouldn't expect that, in the short run, changes

in the money supply would be useful in assessing the

effectiveness of the recent policy moves. Previous

experience with Regulation Q ceiling changes suggest that

reaction of savers bears on their holdings of

the initial

demand deposits as well as on market instruments and on

not be

It would

the obligations of other intermediaries.

surprising to experience a sharply lower growth rate in

money balances after the turn of the year, perhaps per

This development alone

sisting for two or three months.

would not signal to me an exceptional degree of restraint.

Despite the rise in recent years in income and transactions

velocity, I would hesitate to assume that the economy has

already achieved maximum economization

of cash

balances

and, therefore, some spurt in velocity would not surprise

If it showed no sign of abating after two or

or alarm me.

three months, however, I'd get suspicious, but by then,

market rates of interest would probably have given all

the indication we'd need of the effectiveness of our

restraint.

The uncertainties that attach to interpretations of

changes in the rate of aggregate bank credit and deposit

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flows also limit the usefulness of aggregate reserve

targets in the months ahead, even abstracting from the

effects of Treasury financing and cash management on

reserve needs. Total reserve needs will be boosted by

banks' success in capturing "outside" saving flows, but

moderated to the extent that there is some switching or

diversion from demand balances to CDs or other time

accounts. Until we get a clearer picture of the response

of banks and savers to the new Q ceilings, it will be

difficult to interpret the changes in aggregate reserves.

Nor can we assume that the marginal reserve measures

have the same import now as they did three weeks ago.

Because the discount rate has been raised relative to

short-term market rates, we should expect to find bank

reluctance to obtain reserves through the discount window

reinforced; increased elbow room in the CD market should

also reduce the needs for borrowing. At the same time,

the cost of carrying excess reserves has been raised.

All in all, therefore, it would seem that a given level

of net borrowed reserves may carry a more restrictive

connotation now than before the recent policy action.

The question is how much more, and the answer is

we really don't know. In the "blue book"1/ distributed

Friday, the staff presented a guess that over the next

several weeks a target of $100 million net borrowed

reserves--not far from the average of the previous five

weeks--would likely be associated with some further

upward adjustment in bill rates, but not much change in

longer rates. Yesterday, the whole rate structure moved

up significantly even though projected marginal reserves

were still net positive, and even though the Desk put in

a substantial volume of RPs.

The point is that during periods of peak seasonal

pressure, and when a new structure of rate relationships

and new market attitudes are evolving, marginal reserve

measures are exceptionally difficult to predict. It may

be that a target of $100 million net borrowed reserves

will prove too restrictive for Committee aims. Given

all the uncertainties extant--as to how banks are going

to respond to both the new Q ceilings and the new

discount rate, as to whether the higher prime rate will

tend to force some bank borrowers into the capital

market, and as to the likely longer-term outlook for

Treasury financing needs--it would probably be most

1/ The report, "Money Market and Reserve Relationships," prepared

by the Board's staff for the Committee.

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appropriate at this juncture for the Committee to stipulate

how large and how rapid an adjustment in money market

rates it is willing to tolerate, and let the marginal

reserve measures fall out of this decision.

Mr. Hersey presented the following statement on the balance

of payments:

It occurs to me that it might be useful to stage a

minor rebellion against the tyranny of the calendar,

throw away the score card for the calendar year 1965,

half of which is by now pretty ancient history, and

take a look this morning at the record and prospects

of the balance of payments in the July-to-June year.

The first full statement for the July-to-September

quarter will be published two weeks from now. You may

recall my saying six weeks ago that no one knew yet

whether the direct investment outflow in that 3-month

period would be nearer a billion dollars, as it had

averaged in the first half of 1965, or half a billion

as in most of 1964. We have now been informed that

the returns are in, and that the figure is encouragingly

low: only $515 million, after seasonal adjustment.

(I must ask that this figure be treated as confidential

until published.)

The July-to-September deficit on regular trans

actions, seasonally adjusted, was about $650 million.

Without the U.K. security liquidations it would

apparently have been around $450 million. Six weeks

ago it was difficult to explain so large a deficit

unless the direct investment outflow had been large.

As it turns out, the mystery of the large deficit has

an entirely different explanation, which is that U.S.

imports were a great deal larger than the monthly

statistics were telling us. What had seemed an

encouraging leveling off of imports was not really

happening--at least not yet then.

The story is a complicated one. It starts with

an effort to speed up the compilation of accurate

import statistics from last June onwards. But there

seem to have been some monumental failures in carrying

out the new prccedures. Trouble was suspected when

unexplainably low figures came out fo; coffee imports

in August and September.

The Census Bureau then made

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a special tabulation of all documents processed for

the October statistics that referred to shipments

that actually came in at any time before October.

The upshot now is that the balance of payments

statistics for the third quarter to be published in

a fortnight will show imports much larger than the

monthly Census Bureau figures indicated--larger by

more than $300 million, or 6 per cent. Compared

with the third quarter a year ago, the corrected

figure is up 17 per cent, a very large rise.

The import figure for October recently published

by Census shows what looks like an alarming jump over

the preceding months, but the true October import

figure, excluding pre-October imports, was probably

below the true third-quarter level; we will not know

for sure until another special tabulation is made to

see how many October imports will have been included

in the forthcoming statistics for November. Ironically,

the speed-up effort has only delayed our getting an

accurate knowledge of the facts.

Thus far in the fourth quarter the balance of

payments seems to have remained in deficit, despite

some improvement. On the "official settlements"

basis, weekly indicators suggest a repetition in

November of the October deficit of about $100 million.

On the "liquidity" basis, the October deficitof about

$300 million may have been followed by a surplus in

November--or if not, by a quite small deficit, and the

weekly figures would then imply that December got off

to a good start. But these figures are all seasonally

unadjusted, and experience in past years suggests

that within the fourth quarter October is usually a

poor month, November a good one.

Moreover, it is

worth noting that $75 million of the November improve

an

ment this year was due to a special transaction:

Italian prepayment for military equipment.

Evidently,

taking October and November together, regular transactions

have been more favorable than in the third quarter, but

it is too soon to speak of surpluses on any but the

very shortest time scale of a couple of weeks.

Now, if we look ahead a few months, can anything

be said as to whether the average level of the deficit

for December through next June will be appreciably

lower than it was in July through November?

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I believe we can discern three or four adverse

factors, and on the other hand at least three favorable

factors. But I am unable to weigh these against each

other quantitatively.

On the unfavorable side, at the year-end the

seasonally adjusted accounts will be adversely affected

if the U.K. defers its debt payment. Second, bank

credit outflows may begin to resume, since the banks

are well below their aggregate ceiling, and since

they now know what the program is for 1966. Third,

we can hardly hope that direct investment outflows

next year will hold to the relatively Low $2 billion

annual rate recorded for the July-to-September quarter.

Despite all efforts of persuasion by the Government,

capital expenditures by foreign affiliates in 1966 will

be far above the 1964 level. Their capital expenditures

in 1964 were accompanied by financing outflows that

year of $2.4 billion from parent companies in the

United States, and in the absence of the voluntary

program the 1966 figure would tend to be much higher

than that. What a sizable number of companies are now

doing to comply with the Government's request for

cooperation is to set up special subsidiaries to

borrow at long term in Europe, often with the parent

corporation's guaranty.

It may be that several

hundred million dollars can be raised n this way

over and above the very considerable amounts that

would be borrowed for working capital in the usual

course of events. But the greater the demands made

in this way on European capital markets, the longer

the present high interest rates in Europe will stay

high, and the stronger the forces making for leakage

For

of capital from the United States will be

example, foreign investors holding U.S. domestic

bonds may switch to high-rate U.S. bonds newly issued

in Europe; they may sell the domestic bonds to U.S.

residents, since the I.E.T. would not apply on these.

These are some of the adverse factors one can

foresee. Another is likely to be a rise in military

expenditures abroad. On the favorable side, we may

assume that the U.K. Treasury has now stopped

liquefying its security holdings. Secondly, U.S.

investment income receipts will undoubtedly continue

to rise. Thirdly, it seems reasonable to count on

some increase in the U.S. trade surplus from its

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recent level of $5-1/2 billion a year. It is hardly

necessary to say to this Committee that the lower

U.S. prices remain, the better the chances of an

upward trend in the trade surplus.

Finally, some encouragement may be drawn from

the prospect that U.S. interest rates will be higher

rather than lower. However, as we have already seen

last week, rates in closely related markets, as in

Canada or in the Euro-dollar market, are quick to

change when rates change here. Any net impact of

Federal Reserve actions on private capital movements

of various sorts may well depend more on what happens

to the growth of U.S. bank credit in the aggregate,

domestic and foreign, and on the basic ease or tightness

of U.S. financial markets in general, than on interest

rate changes per se.

Chairman Martin then called for the go-around of comments

and views on economic conditions and monetary policy, Mr. Hayes,

who began the go-around, made the following statement:

The rise in discount rates and the revision of

Regulation Q ceilings have demonstrated that the

Federal Reserve can still act when the situation

warrants action, and should have a salutary effect in

removing some of the uncertainties which have hung

over financial markets in recent months. I have no

doubt that these measures will prove valuable both in

extending the duration of the present business upswing

and in bolstering the international position of the

dollar. Today I think we must explore the extent to

which open market policy should be used to back up

recent official rate action. In an economy as

buoyant as this one, the influence of higher interest

rates alone could turn out to be entirely inadequate,

if availability considerations were neglected.

The domestic economy is, I think, stronger both

currently and prospectively than when we net last.

First, the apparent strong rise in industrial

production in November should remove any lurking

worries concerning the short-term adverse effect of

steel inventory liquidation on the economy.

Second,

the sharp upgrading in both actual and planned capital

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spending leads me to feel that next year this sector

of the economy may turn out to be even stronger than

in 1965; nor do I believe that the interest rate

advances that have already occurred will in themselves

significantly change the implications of the most

recent capital spending survey.

Third, it seems to

me that developments in Vietnam, and the guesses

concerning the budget estimates publicized since

our last meeting, have added to the already buoyant

psychology of the business community. Residential

construction is the one questionable area.

But

consumer spending generally continues to look as

strong, or stronger, than earlier. All of this

adds up to a prospective rise in total output that

is likely to equal, and may even exceed, the advance

of the past year.

Such an outlook--in the context of both the rapid

rise in resource utilization and the current high level

of resource use--suggests that further pressures on

prices are likely and might well lead to price

increases exceeding those of the past year.

So far at least, unit labor costs in manufacturing

have been relatively stable. But the outlook suggests

that a continuation of such stability is now very

questionable.

It is hard to see how productivity can,

at best, do more than maintain its recent rate of

growth. Yet it seems clear that wage increases have

been larger so far this year than earlier.

Add to

this the upward push that will be exerted by the

increase in social security taxes, and the prospects

for continued cost stability seem doubtful--especially

in an environment where unemployment is declining and

the over-all unemployment rate is approaching 4 per

cent.

Any threat to reasonable price stability also

has serious implications for our balance of payments

deficit. For the past, as against the future, the

latest balance of payments figures appear to show a

sizable surplus in November. The liquidity deficit for

the fourth quarter may turn out to be at an annual

rate of about $1.1 billion, down from $1.9 billion in

the third quarter. However, this apparent improvement

is more than accounted for by the deferral of payment

dates into 1966 on a substantial volume of new

Canadian bond issues and by the issue of a $75 million

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nonmarketable, nonconvertible bond to Italy.

For

the year as a whole, this would imply a deficit on

the old regular transactions basis of $1.6 billion,

or a liquidity deficit of about $1.2 billion--with

each figure $0.5 billion less if the influence of the

liquidations of official British long-term portfolio

holdings is removed. This is progress as compared

with 1964, but it reflects primarily the short-term

effectiveness of the restraint program, and could

easily be wiped out if the prospects for a rising

export surplus were erased by acceleraced price

increases in this country.

It is in the context of a very strong domestic

economy and a continuing need to achieve balance in

our payments position that I turn to the policy

questions before us.

In analyzing the question of where we go from

here, I think it is useful to draw a distinction

between underlying policy objectives and the temporary

posture that may be necessary in the weeks immediately

ahead.

Let me start by considering the question of

underlying policy objectives. (Parenthetically, I

should note that we are presumably all against sin:

that is, in favor of a growing economy that will

absorb a growing labor force into active employment,

without price increases that would make such progress

unsustainable. Rather, when I speak of underlying

policy objectives, I am referring to what are some

times called "intermediate" objectives.) It seems

to me that we have at least three choices before us.

First, we might continue a policy of providing

sufficient reserves to support a continued growth

in credit at the same rapid pace as in the recent

past. Second, we might adopt a policy that would

attempt to moderate whatever demands for credit do

develop, which would in effect leave open the

question as to what change in pace, if any, as

compared with the recent past was being sought.

Finally, we could deliberately attempt to reduce the

rate of growth of credit from what it has been in

the recent past.

As to the first of these possible policies, it

seems to me that, once the inflationary potential

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in the economic outlook is recognized, it is necessary

to back up recent rate adjustments with a more positive

open market policy. If we continue to permit credit

to grow at the rapid rate so far chalked up this year,

we would be doing less than is necessary. We could

also be subject to the criticism that the System has

acted only to raise interest rates and has done nothing

to affect the availability of credit.

The second possible policy, that of merely moderating

the pace of credit advances from what would otherwise

have been the case, runs up against the difficulty that

the objective is unclear. We would in fact never find

out whether anything at all had been done to back up

the rate changes already made. On the one hand, the

rise in interest rates that has already occurred might

be expected to reduce somewhat the demands for credit.

On the other hand, the apparent growing strength in

the economy could more than offset this effect. Merely

moderating the demands that might otherwise occur could

actually result in a stepped-up rate of growth of credit.

As you can see, I am in favor of third alternative

policy objective--that which would deliberately attempt

to reduce the rate of growth of credit from the rapid

pace of the past year. For several years I have been

critical of a rate of growth of bank credit that was

running around 8 per cent. This year, however, the

pace has mounted to almost 10 per cent. I would not

want to set any precise figure on the magnitude of

growth that is warranted and sustainable in the present

economic situation. But I would argue strongly that

recent growth rates have been excessive, particularly

in the context of cumulatively large increases in

previous years. Parenthetically, I might add that in

making these comments I have fully taken into account

data with respect to total credit flows.

If the forthcoming weeks had no special and unusual

characteristics, an underlying objective of reducing the

rate of growth of credit could be implemented in a

straightforward manner by putting the banking system

under somewhat greater pressure. This might mean a

movement in net borrowed reserves to over $200 million

as a definite signal that open market policy was not

out of step with discount rate policy

My only caveat

would be that such a move should be undertaken in a

cautious and flexible fashion. It would be undesirable,

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for example, to see the Treasury bill rate move so close

to the 4-1/2 per cent discount rate as to set off

speculation as to a further hike in the discount rate.

In fact, however, the forthcoming weeks will see

a convergence of a number of factors that may make it

difficult to achieve the underlying objective that I

favor. In particular, it is still uncertain to what

extent financial markets have fully adjusted to discount

rate changes and the revision of Regulation Q ceilings.

There is still considerable uncertainty as to what may

happen in the CD area, where there is a risk that

competitive pressures may push up CD rates to an

inordinate degree and, as a consequence, exert undue

upward pressures on other rates. Moreover, there are

the usual end-of-the-year money market pressures and

uncertainties to contend with; and, in addition, a

forthcoming Treasury financing which will reintroduce

even keel considerations.

In view of these factors, it seems to me important

that the Account Manager have more than usual latitude

over the next few weeks. In particular, net borrowed

reserve figures will be difficult to interpret, but I

would hope that we would not show positive free reserves.

I believe that our chief focus should be on money market

tone ard short-term rates. A three-month bill rate

ranging between 4.30 per cent and 4.45 per cent, combined

with a firm money market tone, would seem to be about

right. If, in this context, it is possible to move net

borrowed reserves to over $200 million, I would consider

it highly desirable as a means of achieving the under

lying objective that I favor. The suggested directive

is acceptable.

Mr. Shuford reported that in the Eighth District economic

activity had continued to expand at a rapid pace since early summer.

During the past five months, payroll employment in the District had

risen at a 4 per cent annual rate, slightly faster than for the

nation as a whole.

District manufacturing activity had been very

strong in the last half of the year.

Since June, employment by

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manufacturing firms had risen at a 5.4 per cent rate, markedly

higher than in the first half.

Manufacturing output in the

District's metropolitan areas had increased 6 per cent over the

past twelve months, the same as for the nation.

Unemployment

as a per cent of the labor force had decreased significantly

since the end of last year in all of the District's States and

in mo;t of its major labor markets.

Business loans at District banks had continued to rise

at a rapid rate, Mr. Shuford said.

Deposit growth had been strong,

with virtually all of the growth centering in time deposits.

While only a few days had passed since the discount rate

and Regulation Q maximums were raised, Mr. Shuford continued, it

was evident that the economy had taken those developments in

stride.

Sentiment appeared optimistic, the stock market had

remained strong,

and money market movements had been reasonable.

Interest rates had risen, but when viewed within the

the past five months the rise was not unusual in

context of

lignt of both

seasonal and cyclical pressures.

New data since the Committee's last meeting indicated

continuing growth in economic activity, with some stengthening,

Mr. Shuford remarked.

Total civilian employment rose at a 5.6

per cent annual rate from September to November, twice as fast

as over the past twelve months.

Weekly data

for November indicated

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that industrial production was continuing to expand.

Retail sales

also appeared to have been strong in November.

Labor resources

had come under added pressure since September.

The unemployment

rate was below the level recorded at the peak of the previous

business expansion and was near the level

expansion.

reached in the 1957

Further price rises had accompanied the expansion

in business activity since the Committee's last meeting, as weekly

wholesale industrial prices had continued to advance.

With respect to policy, Mr. Shuford said, money market

conditions had firmed over the last week but not more than might

have been expected.

On the other hand, for the next four weeks

he would not like to see any additional firming, especially in

view of the prospective Treasury financing.

That would call for

maintaining essentially the same conditions in the money market

as had come to prevail during

the last several days but moderating

any further upward adjustments for the time being.

Mr. Shuford felt the Desk had to have considerable

latitude during the coming period.

He was glad that Mr. Brill's

remarks and Mr. Mitchell's questions had pointed up the difficulty

He

in trying to establish guidelines under present circumstances.

had never been satisfied with attempts to quantify the Committee's

directive and the problems of doing so would be particularly

great at present.

For purposes of general guidance, however, he

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was inclined to agree with Mr. Brill that in the main the

Committee should think in terms of rates rather than free

reserves or other measures.

He also concurred with the

suggestions by the staff and Mr. Hayes of a 4.30-4.45 per cent

range for the 90-day bill rate.

He would not like to see the

bill rate go over 4.45 per cent, and he certainly would not

want it to go above the discount rate.

He would hope and

expect that the Federal funds rate would be around the discount

rate and, to the extent possible, he would like to see it under

the discount rate--although he was aware that in one or two

instances it had already moved above that rate.

He was not

sure what such objectives would imply for marginal reserves

but he did not believe that the latter could be relied on for

target purposes during the next few weeks.

Mr. Patterson reported that in the Sixth District, as

he was sure had been the case in other Districts, the changes

in the discount rate and Regulation Q had generated a tremendous

amount of interest and comment.

Many persons outside the financial

community seemed to be bewildered, possibly because of the news

paper stories that came out prior to the official Board release.

The question he most often got from laymen

was, "What effect

will the Federal Reserve 'order' raising interest rates have on

the cost of buying an ice box or TV set?"

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Among the more informed, Mr. Patterson commented, there

had been a mixed reaction to the Federal Reserve's action.

Most of the large banks had endorsed the move, and an informal

survey of a group of about 25 officers of the largest business

firms in Alabama, made by the Chairman of the Board of the

Birmingham Branch, indicated that all of them also approved

the move and many thought it long overdue.

Last Wednesday the

large city banks in Atlanta announced an increase in their prime

rate, and the large banks in the District's other cities had

made similar moves.

Although one of the larger banks in

Atlanta had announced a slight upward adjustment in its CD rate,

he did not as yet have information about what the banks in general

expected to do.

Some officers of the smaller banks, however,

feared that, as the result of the increase in the Regulation Q

ceiling, it might become more difficult for them to retain their

time deposits without raising the rates paid, a step they were

reluctant to take.

As to contemplating changes, the smaller

banks and the savings and loan associations apparently were

postponing any action until they saw what happened.

It was even more difficult to determine whether or not

the general economic conditions had been or would be affected,

Mr. Patterson said.

Certainly, the most recent statistics for

the District indicated an expansion strong enough to weather a

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slightly higher cost of credit.

In practically every category,

the record for the District during 1965 would be better than

that of the nation generally.

Until the dust had settled, Mr. Patterson continued, the

Committee could not tell very well to what extent the new interest

rate structure reflected expectational factors.

The problem of

judgment would be compounded as the economy entered the period

when pressures on bank reserves were reduced because of seasonal

factors.

Meanwhile, the Committee might be hemmed in by having

to maintain an even keel because of Treasury financing.

Under those conditions, it seemed best to Mr. Patterson

to allow the Desk to be guided chiefly by the behavior of rates

even if, because of expectational and other forces, the Committee

ended up with a somewhat lower net borrowed reserve position

than prevailed prior to the discount rate increase.

like to see the rate structure move upward

He would not

but neither did he

think the Committee should attempt to offset all tendencies

toward softening that might develop because of seasonal influences.

By the next meeting the Committee might be able to determine more

precisely the level of reserves needed to support the appropriate

rate of credit expansion.

tory to Mr. Patterson.

The staff draft directive was satisfac

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Mr. Bopp remarked that now that the discount rate action

had been taken, additional reserves should be supplied to the

banking system, as the Board phrased it in its December 5 press

release, "in amounts sufficient to meet seasonal pressures as

well as the credit needs of an expanding economy. . . ."

Looking

further ahead, the rate at which money and bank credit would be

allowed to grow should depend on the degree to which the economy

became subject to the stresses and strains accompanying near

full-employment levels of activity.

One measure of those would

be the extent of pressure in the labor market.

As noted in the

green book, prospective increases in real GNP early in 1966 and

expansion in the armed forces rendered further tightening in the

labor market very likely, despite gains from the anti-poverty

program.

During the past week, Mr. Bopp continued, the Philadelphia

Bank had looked into the data to get a better feel of pressures

in the labor market and had discussed the situation with personnel

departments of several large industrial and governmental units

in the Third District and with some of the larger employment

agencies.

From the data, he got the impression that some

cushion existed over-all, but that pressures were considerable

in certain skills and areas, especially durable manufacturing.

On an over-all basis he found that, compared with the similar

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phase of most other postwar business upturns,

the labor force

presently was expanding at a relatively rapid rate, which should

help offset pressures to some extent.

In addition, participation

rates were lower than in other postwar expansions, suggesting

that there was more leeway for a further rise in the labor

force.

Finally, the over-all unemployment rate and that in most

subgroupings by age, sex, and so on, now provided a greater cushion

than in

the Korean War period and about the same leeway as in

the

similar phase of the 1953-1957 business upswing.

Focusing on the manufacturing sector, Mr.

pressures or the labor force became more evident.

Bopp remarked,

The average

workweek in manufacturing had now exceeded the highs of 1953-1957

and 1958-1960 and was near the highest level of the Korean War

period.

Overtime in manufacturing was much higher than in

1956-1957

or 1958-1960 (there were no data for the Korean War period) with

pressure particularly severe in

durable goods manufacturing.

The Reserve Bank's survey of the third District labor

market bore out what was found in

the national data, Mr.

In durable manufacturing industries, most

Bopp said.

firms were feeling

definite shortages of skilled machinists and technical and

professional help.

Several firms in Philadelphia and Wilmington

had had to send out recruiting teams or advertise elsewhere for

engineers, machinists, and technicians.

Nondurable and non

manufacturing industries were split about half and

half

between

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those reporting conditions no tighter than usual for this time

of the year and those saying that definite shortages existed in

most occupat ons.

Labor pressures in the manufacturing sector had particular

implications for the behavior of unit labor costs, Mr. Bopp

observed.

Not only was there likely to be some upward pressure

on wage rates next year, but the kinds of pressures now being

felt--reaching near the bottom of the skilled labor barrel for

generally less efficient workers and extending overtime hours

and the workweek--had an important bearing on efficiency, tending

to raise unit labor costs.

Meanwhile, if public policy was

successful in holding down prices, any rise in unit labor costs

would tend to eat into profits.

Past behavior would suggest in

turn, that when unit labor costs rose faster than prices, the

economy was entering a cyclical danger period.

What all that added up to was pressure building in specific

areas, Mr. Bopp said, particularly durable goods manufacturing,

but some cushion in the over-all labor market.

As to monetary policy, Mr. Bopp thought the draft

directive was appropriate.

Mr. Hickman remarked that a basic justification for the

recent discount rate action was to prevent excessive additions to

the money supply and to moderate demands for bank credit, thus

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reducing the risk of inflation.

On the basis of information now

available, continuation of the recent rate of increase in bank

credit would not appear to be consistent with that aim, assuming

that the response of savings flows to the change in

was not great.

Regulation Q

Following that line of reasoning, the Committee

should supply less, not more, reserve availability.

Looking

ahead a bit, it should validate the discount rate change by

forcing the banks to the discount window, thus making the new

rate effective.

Since a Treasury financing was imminent, and since the

markets were in the midst of the heavy tax and dividend period,

even-keel considerations seemed to Mr. Hickman to be dominant at

the moment.

There was, of course, some problem of defining just

what "even keel" meant in view of the recent gyrations of the

reserve figures.

$100

He suggested net borrowed reserves of about

million as a rough target during the period of Treasury

financing, shifting to a somewhat deeper level--say, $200 to

$250 millior--when the financial markets settled down after the

turn of the year.

To avoid misleading the market he would try

to avoid, if at all possible, positive free reserve figures

during the next few weeks.

Mr. Maisel said that the concluding statement of the

draft directive, calling for operations with a view to "moderating

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further adjustments of money and credit market conditions in a

period of widely fluctuating seasonal pressures,"

to him.

seemed proper

He felt that as a result of the statements in the Board's

press release at the time of the discount rate change it was

evident to the market that an objective of letting things settle

down would dominate the Committee's thoughts.

As a result the

level of the marginal reserve figures was comparatively unimportant.

Between now and the next meeting the question of market conditions

should be dominant; at the next meeting the Committee would have

a better picture of the nature of underlying supply and demand

forces and would be able to work out its longer run objectives.

He favored adoption of the directive as drafted by the staff.

Mr. Mitchell commented that having been in the minority

position on the discount rate question, he found it difficult

to adjust his thinking to the present situation.

He would say,

however, that he thought there was a tendency to underestimate the

amount of restraint that had come about in the past several months,

not only in terms of interest rates but also in terms of credit

availability.

Also, the weekly money supply figures had shown

little growth in the past two months, which meant that something

had happened; he was more inclined to agree with Mr. Shuford's

general position on that subject than with that of Mr. Brill.

Total bank credit had expanded at a 12 per :ent annual rate

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in the first quarter, but at only a 5 per cent rate in the third

quarter.

The growth rate so far in the fourth quarter was above

the third, but as far as loan demand in October and November was

concerned, to quote from Mr. Eckert's remarks at the Board briefing

last Friday, "Excluding security loans, total loans increased only

a little over half the average monthly rate for the first three

quarters.

Recent slackening from earlier growth rates occurred

in business, real estate, and nonbank financial loans.

Business

loans rose somewhat more in November ;han the small October

But for the two months combined, the annual rate of

advance.

growth was about 11 per cent, a little less than the much reduced

third quarter rate."

The figures indicated that there had been evidence of

restraint in the money supply, interest rates, and credit

availability, Mr. Mitchell said, and now there also had been a

direct signal in the form of the discount rate increase.

his judgment that was enough for the time being.

In

He knew the

Desk would face difficulties in getting through the rest of

December.

As to the directive, he found that he could not

improve on the staff's draft and would accept it.

Mr. Shuford commented that he agreed the money supply

had shown little change in the recent period.

That probably

was a short-run development, and he would hope the money supply

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would soon begin to rise again, preferably at an annual rate

in the 2-4 per cent range.

Mr. Shepardson said he did not think it was necessary

to make extensive comments on the economic situation; apparently

all of the indicators pointed to continued rising activity.

At

this season of the year the situation in financial markets usually

was a difficult one, and this year the problems were compounded

by the recent discount rate action.

For that reason it would

seem :o him that the proposed directive, as he understood it,

would be appropriate for the coming period.

He hoped that in

implementing the directive there would be no attempt to roll

back the rate changes that had deve'oped.

The general guides

that had been suggested appeared appropriate to him, and he

shared the hope that free reserve figures would not result.

Mr. Robertson then made the following statement:

With all the events that have been jammed into the

three weeks since this Committee last met, I expect it

will be some time before we can see either the recent

developments or their future implications in clear and

dispassionate perspective.

I think it is a good idea at this juncture to

distinguish between what actually has happened and

what is projected. The latest statistics on what

has happened (mostly in November) are gratifying. They

show a further small reduction in unemployment, a

vigorous increase in production, a price performance

still confined to small and selective advances, and a

balance of payments position that is appreciably

improved, even if part of that improvement may prove

temporary. No pressing call for a tighter policy

emerges from these facts concerning developments to

date.

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Future prospects, however, must now be regarded

as stronger, in view of the latest surveys of business

capital expenditures and the announcements as to the

future rates of Government spending. Were they to be

taken at face value, these spending rates could seem

high enough so that they might be expected to begin

generating some real inflationary pressures in the

country. But there are two big uncertainties as to

these prospects. First, the Federal Government is

now trying to hold spending well below the tentative

estimates for 1966 first released. Second, the

climate of significantly higher costs of credit

resulting from the discount rate increase may very

well serve to dampen some of the more optimistic

spending intentions.

As these uncertainties begin to be resolved,

we should be able to decide with some greater degree

of assurance whether the next turn of open market

policy should be toward further tightness or toward

some relaxation of pressures. In the meantime, a

policy of maintaining relatively steady money market

conditions seems to me to be in order.

A steady course for policy is also desirable

for two technical reasons--the onset of peak seasonal

pressures in the money market and the schedule of

Treasury financing activity between now and the next

Recognizing that some

meetin, of this Committee.

churning in the markets is probably inevitable over

this period, I would be satisfied if the Manager

could maintain money market rates within the ranges

mentioned in the blue book (4.30-4.45 per cent three

month bill

rate, Federal funds around 4-1/2 per cent).

I assume this may necessitate a somewhat lower level

of member bank borrowing, and if the result is a few

fairly small net borrowed reserve figures--or even

small net free reserves for some individual weeks- I

would not object.

I would vote in favor of the draft

directive distributed by the staff.

Mr.

Wayne reported that the orderly advance of Fifth District

business continued.

In manufacturing generally, backlogs remained

heavy and the volume of new orders was still

rising.

The textile

industry had been operating close to capacity all year in an

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effort to keep pace with expanding demand, and now new defense

orders were putting even more pressure on production facilities.

Reports from all around the area indicated that the already tight

labor markets were becoming tighter and that wages had risen in

a number of industries.

In the agricultural sector, less over-all

strength was evident, although livestock was experiencing strong

demand and rising prices.

In the national economy, Mr. Wayne said, there was not

much news except more of the same as business activity moved

ahead with sustained momentum.

New and revised data which had

become available in recent weeks showed a continuing buildup of

inflationary pressures as reflected in higher consumer and

wholesale prices, increasing labor shortages, higher wage rates

and hourly earnings, a faster growth in personal income,

accelerated capital spending, sharp increases in new and unfilled

orders for durable goods, and a considerable increase in the

deficit in the cash budget.

The expected extension of the

budget deficit into the early part of next year despite a sharp

increase in payroll taxes meant that it would not be possible

to use fiscal policy to counter inflationary pressures.

The System had now made a decisive and perhaps historic

move, Mr. Wayne said, and there should be no turning back at

this point.

The question now was how to implement the new policy

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and what pattern of money market rates would be consistent with

the new level of the discount rate.

The Committee was committed

to supply sufficient reserves to meet seasonal pressures and the

needs of an expanding economy.

The generous supply of reserves

made available in the past week was probably necessary and

desirable in facilitating the transition to the new level of

rates.

But the peak of seasonal pressures would pass within

the next two weeks and immediately thereafter open market policy

should change to validate the change in the discount rate.

Otherwise, the move which had been made would be nullified.

As

yet very little was known about the relationship that would

prevail between the level of free or net borrowed reserves and

money market

rates under the higher discount rate.

In those

circumstances, Mr. Wayne suggested that for the period ahead the

Committee place primary emphasis on the bill rate and attempt

to hold it within a range of 4.25 to 4.40 per cent.

In view of

the great uncertainty which prevailed and the large seasonal

movements which would occur, the Manager should have som what

more discretion than usual.

The draft directive was acceptable

to him.

Mr. Clay commented that both the current and the prospective

performance of the domestic economy were strongly expansionary.

With the national economy functioning at high levels and at

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substantially reduced margins of unutilizd resources, it

became increasingly evident that Federal Government expenditures,

notably defense outlays, were the key to the forthcoming pattern

of economic events.

Those Federal outlays carried not only a

direct impact upon economic activity but also indirectly

influenced private demand sectors such as the stepped-up rate

of business capital investment.

Thus, that growth in aggregate

demand relative to the expansion in the resource base also was

the key to future price developments and would determine whether

the recent pattern of selective price increases became more

general.

Despite budget data recently released it appeared,

however, that there was not a clear picture yet of the magnitude

and time pattern of those expenditures.

The monetary policy decision to be made today, Mr. Clay

said, was one of planning the accommodation of open market

operations to the actions already taken in

rate and modifying Regulation Q.

raising the discount

The initial adjustment of the

money and capital markets had taken place in an environment of

substantial cushioning action through open market operations.

There was no way of knowing how much additional adjustment

would take place in the weeks ahead.

There were so many

uncertainties in the financial picture over the next several

weeks that it was difficult to foresee the various financial

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relationships that would develop an

targets.

to determine System policy

It would appear appropriate to provide sufficient

reserves to meet the credit needs for orderly economic growth,

to stand ready to avoid any credit stringencies that might

develop, such as in connection with the runoff of CD's, and to

temper further adjustments in the money and credit markets.

The

draft economic policy directive appeared satisfactory to him.

Mr. Scanlon reported that conditions in the Seventh

Federal Reserve District remained excellent with indications

that both consumers and businessmen

were very optimistic.

Labor

markets were exceptionally tight--in part, of course, because of

the seasonal demand for labor.

One automobile manufacturer had

recently announced a cutback in production to balance dealer

inventories.

But that development had been expected and did

not appear to indicate any weakening of over-all demand for

automobiles.

Recent conditions in the money and capital markets had

been dominated by the increase in discount rates, Mr. Scanlon

commented.

The rate increase unleashed a host of expectational

and other forces and the immediate impact might prove

over-adjustment.

tobe an

Because of the uncertain relation between money

market conditions and aggregate supply measures at the present

time, and the evidence of the slowing in growth of total reserves

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and money in the past few months, care .hould be exercised to

assure that total reserves did not fail to increase at least

seasonally.

It seemed to Mr. Scanlon that it was imperative that

the Committee follow a policy that would reinforce the language

in the release made by the Board at the time of the announcement

of the discount rate change.

He believed a 4.25-4.40 per cent

range for short-term bill rates ws consistent with that policy.

If the draft directive accomplished that, he favored it.

Like

others, he believed the Manager should have ample latitude to

moderate any market adjustments during the coming period.

Mr. Galusha reported that all indications were that the

Ninth District had continued to enjoy a remarkable prosperity

in recent weeks, and the outlook for coming months was bright.

There were signs of some slow-down in the pace of economic

advance.

Thus, retail sales increased at a lower rate in the

third quarter than over the first half of the year; and District

measures of real output for October, while still well above

year-ago levels, suggested a slight decline from those for the

third quarter.

Despite this objective evidence, business

sentiment by all accounts remained bullish.

The optimism might

be due in part to the outlook for agriculture, which was quite

rosy, and to the visible impact the Vietnam escalation was having

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on the District economy.

Certain depressed areas in the

District were now getting military contracts and only a few

days ago plans were announced for re-opening a Twin Cities

area arsenal and putting on 1,000 employees.

Mr. Galusha said that District bank credit growth

was considerable in November, far greater than seasonal.

Non

weekly reporting banks showed the usual increase, but weekly

reporting banks showed a much larger than seasonal gain--which

could be traced to an increase in business loans beyond anything

past Novembers would have led one to expect.

The reason for

that large increase in business loans was not altogether clear.

The heads of the largest District banks were reportingon the basis of their own experience and conversations with

colleagues in other areas--that CD money was getting hard to

come by, Mr. Galusha continued.

Evidently corporations, and

particularly those with ambitious investment programs under

way, were finding less and less cash to lend out.

Rates were

generally 4.5 per cent for 30 days, 4.6 per cent for 60 days,

and 4.7 per cent plus for 90 days.

One major savings and loan

association had moved to 4-1/2 per cent on passbook savings.

Mr. Galusha remarked that he had nothing to add to what

had already been said on the issue of monetary policy.

not understand the draft directive.

He did

Perhaps the best the Committee

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could do today would be to give the Desk a vote of confidence

and let it go at that until there had been a re-establishment

of a pattern of relationship among customary target variables.

He thought the Committee was faced with the necessity of framing

an objective in qualitative terms of tone, color, and feel.

Mr. Galusha added that he would like to compliment the

authors of the green book again; he had found the explicit

discussion of likely future developments most helpful.

He

hoped that the Board's staff could now be coaxed into sticking

its collective neck out not one but two quarters into the

future.

Mr. Swan said he had no significant changes in recent

business trends in the Twelfth District to report.

Loan demand

at banks continued strong and bank credit expanded sharply in

the Last three weeks of November.

However, banks had not been

substantial borrowers from the Reserve Bank, even during the

four days when the San Francisco discount rate was lower than

in some other Districts.

Last Thursday, however, some major

banks with which he had checked indicated that in the current

week they expected to be quite heavy borrowers in the Federal

funds market, and he understood that that had developed.

As to responses to the change in Regulation Q, Mr. Swan

continued, major banks in the San Francisco and Los Angeles

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areas had indicated that they were planning some upward

adjustment in CD rates.

They all emphasized that the new

rates--which were 4-1/4 per cent for 30 day money, 4-1/2 per

cent for 90 day money, and 4-5/8 per cent for deposits of

6 months, or more--were still tentative; they had not been

announced publicly, and were subject to modification.

In

the other three reserve cities of the District--Seattle,

Portland, and Salt Lake--none of the banks reported plans to

raise rates but they had not made final decisions on the

subject.

The savings and loan associations had, of course,

expressed concern about the effects of the Regulation Q change

on their situation, Mr. Swan said.

However, the District's

major banks had not been pushing savings certificates for

individuals and it

seemed to him unlikely that they

change their attitude in

that regard.

Mr.

Brill's

would

point that

commercial banks generally were doing well this year ii

attracting ordinary savings deposits certainly applied in the

Twelfth District.

Despite the rather wide margin between

by

paid

their rates and those of around 4.85 per cent

savings

and loan associations, savings accounts at weekly reporting

banks increased 8 per cent in the first ten months of 1965, as

compared with a 6.4 per cent rise at savings and loan associations.

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In the same

period in 1964 the rise was 4-1/2 per cent at banks

and 13-1/2 per cent at savings and loan associations.

In terms of policy, Mr. Swan agreed generally with the

comments that had already been made.

He was not inclined to

argue with what had been said regarding the relationships that

were likely to prevail, but he would come back to what he thought

was the Manager's original point, that adjustments in market

conditions should be moderated so that they did not feed on

themselves.

He favored a bill rate in the 4.25-4.40 per cent

range, with possible swings in the net reserve figures.

He felt,

however, that the first and second paragraphs of the directive

were somewhat inconsistent.

In his judgment the directive could

be made a little more straightforward by deleting the word "current"

in the last sentence of the first paragraph, and by replacing the

second paragraph with language along the following lines:

However, taking into account the forthcoming Treasury

financing activity and widely fluctuating seasonal pressures

at this time of the year in addition to the recent increase

in Reserve Bank discount rates, System open market operations

shall be directed to moderating any further adjustments in

money and credit markets that may develop.

In response to Mr. Robertson's question as to whether the

import of Mr. Swan's suggestion was any different from that of the

staff's draft, Mr. Swan said he thought the two came out at the same

point but that the language he proposed was somewhat clearer; it made

more evident the nature of the problem in the period immediately

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The Committee's underlying policy was to "complement other

recent measures," as the first paragraph said, but the instruction

given in the second paragraph to "moderate further adjustments"

was not intended to implement that underlying policy.

Rather, it

was related to the forthcoming Treasury financing, year-end seasonal

pressures, and the fact that the discount rate had just been changed.

Mr. Mitchell commented that if yesterday's market deterioration

had not occurred one would have assumed that it was developments of

that type that were to be "moderated."

He asked Mr. Holmes whether

he would interpret yesterday's events as "further adjustments" to

be moderated, or whether he would start with the situation as of

the close cf business yesterday.

Mr. Holmes said that he assumed the Committee would intend

the latter interpretation, and Mr. Swan commented that he had

proposed the words, "any further adjustments .

.

. that may develop"

to clarify that point.

Chairman Martin commented that perhaps Mr. Swan's proposal

involved some grammatical improvemcnt over the staff's draft, but

to his mind it did not differ in substance.

The go-around then resumed with remarks by Mr. Irons.

Mr. Irons reported that business activity in the Eleventh

District was very strong and seemed to be gaining in strength.

There

was a marked undertone of confidence, and there were references at

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times to elements of speculative activity in the picture.

The

outlook w.s viewed bullishly, especially with the Vietnam war

and the likelihood of further increases in Government spending.

Practically all of the District's major indexes were showing

increases and the probability Of further increases.

Employment

had grown further; the District was almost in a state of full

employment, with the unemployment rate a little over 3 per cent

in the District as a whole and at 2-1/2 per cent in some of the

larger cities.

Auto sales, and retail trade generally, were

strong, and retailers were expecting heavy seasonal buying.

Despite some concern earlier, it looked as though agricultural

conditions this year, with respect to both volume and prices,

would be the most favorable in some time.

Also, the crude oil

outlook was good.

Mr. Irons remarked that the System's recent actions on

the discount rate and Regulation Q appeared to have been well taken

in the District.

The comments he had received generally reflected

favorable reactions except, perhaps, on the part of savings and

loan associations.

He hoped that banks would not let competitive

considerations cause them to increase rates on CD's and other time

deposits unduly.

There were no reports so far of such developments

in the Eleventh District, although two small country banks were

raising the question of the need to raise their rates on grounds of

competition.

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Bank credit had increased further, Mr. Irons continued,

and District banks were fairly fully loaned up.

had risen quite sharply.

Demand deposits

On the other hand, there had been some

slipping off of time deposits and CD's.

Larger banks in the District

were net buyers of Federal funds, averaging about $200 million.

There had been little borrowing from the Reserve Bank.

It was not necessary to comment in detail on the pattern

of national developments, Mr. Irons said

He noted that the

Commerce-SEC survey of capital spending and other recent data had

led to higher estimates of activity in the period ahead.

Mr. Irons remarked that he recognized the framework within

which policy would have to be carried out in the coming month.

The adjustments so far to the recent rate actions had been satis

factory, but further adjustments probably lay ahead.

With strong

seasonal demands and with the need to provide for normal growth,

and with the Treasury also in the picture, market conditions would

be uncertain and difficult to deal with.

In general, he would like

to have the discount rate viewed as a ceiling for the bill rate and

the Federal funds rate for the time being.

It might be necessary

later to take steps to validate the new discount rate, but he would

not favor them in the next month.

He would be satisfied to see the

Federal funds rate around 4-1/4 to 4-1/2 per cent, and the Treasury

bill rate ranging from a low of 4.25-4.30 per cent to a high of

4.45 per cent.

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Certainly, Mr. Irons said, the Manager had to be given

considerable latitude during a period such as lay ahead.

He

would not favor setting a target in terms of net borrowed or

free reserves; he would accept the marginal reserve figure that

developed from an effort to keep the rate structure in line with

the discount rate.

And he would not wart to see any reluctance

in meeting seasonal and other needs for reserves.

He did not

advocate a policy of ease, but as the Board had implied in its

recert press release, reserve availability should be adequate to

meet requirements.

Mr

He would accept the draft directive as written.

Ellis said that business in New England continued to

warrant the "ebullient" label.

Manufacturing production and

employment were rising and upward

trends in new orders continued.

Construction contracting had paused in total but was feeling the

impact of sharp surges in highway building.

Unemployment declines

continued and evidence of labor shortage had widened.

Consumer

spending slowed its increase in November but department store

sales were running 3 per cent better than in the pre-Christmas

season last year.

Mr. Ellis remarked that he had been watching the District's

weekly reporting member banks for signs of any trouble in meeting

their needs in December, when 30 per cent of their CD's maturedas compared with 21 per cent for the U.S.

So far, the evidence

suggested they were making the switch smoothly.

To be specific,

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they had rot had to reach out and match the rates announced by

Chase Manhattan last Friday (December 10).

to expansion of negotiable notes.

Nor had they resorted

As of last Friday

rates

quoted on negotiable notes matched CD rates up to 90-day maturity

and then

shaded below the CD rates by 5 and 10 basis points out

to one-year maturity.

Mr. Ellis welcomed Mr. Brill's discussion of guideline

interpretation, and agreed that it was necessary to start with

consideration of total credit flows.

He therefore expected the

next green book to reflect the results of such analysis.

The

green book was good but could be better.

Since the last meeting of the Committee, Mr. Ellis said,

the weight of evidence seemed to have supported the judgments

reached then.

The Federal budget outlook had turned toward

deeper deficits and stepped-up outlays; the balance of payments

news emphasized the need for further action to achieve a solution;

manufacturing output had increased vigorously and defense orders

were helping to bolster it; capital sperding and its outlook had

strengthened; the labor supply had tightened; and price trends

continued to show an upward tilt.

As expected, Mr. Ellis continued, the discount rate action

had drawn out many vocal reactions.

In Boston the Reserve Bank

kept a finger to the academic pulse as a matter of practice.

He

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was a little surprised by the intensity of disapproval voiced by

some academicians.

The sting of their lashes was tempered somewhat

by the more balanced views of others, who concluded that it was

a close decision that could be tipped either way by personal

judgment.

The latter offered the view tat one salutory result

of the action would be to force public attention to the problem

of financing the expected added costs of the Vietnam conflict and

the Great Society program without simple and automatic resort to

higher deficits.

In his basic position on policy, Mr. Ellis found himself

in agreement with the statement by Mr. Hickman that the Committee

should establish and preserve an even keel through the year end.

Since the discount rate increase the markets had been so influenced

by the ease in reserve availability that it was hazardous to attempt

an identification of compatible intermediate goals of policy.

Perhaps because he had been participating in the daily telephone

conference call since the Committee's previous meeting, he believed

that the Manager should be provided with some goals of policy in

addition to an indication to preserve orderly conditions in the

market as it adjusted to new rates.

He would recommend dealing

with the difficult alternatives by picking a likely combination

of intermediate goals--one that had some prospect of being compat

ible--and then suggesting to the Manager some priorities within

that package to be followed if choice was forced upon him.

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To be specific, Mr. Ellis said, he was prepared to accept

the staff estimates as a starting pcint.

He believed that a bill

rate in the range of 4.30-4.45 per cent might well prove compatible

with net borrowed reserves averaging around $100 million, borrowings

holding around $550 million, and a Federal funds rate generally at

4-1/2 per cent.

It struck him that such a pattern would be

acceptable to the market as not being a further turn of the reserve

availability screw, recognizing the positive free reserve figure

of last week as temporary.

He would direct the Manager to seek

such intermediate targets unless short-term bill rates unexpectedly

tended to move above 4,45 per cent, in which case he would want

him to abandon temporarily the reserve target in favor of holding

rates below 4.45 per cent.

On the other hand, he would not expect

the Manager to seek higher levels of net borrowed reserves in

order to hold bill

establish today.

rates up to any level the Committee might

The underlying objective,

of course, was to

allow markets to find their own new level.

In view of the Committee's disposition not to specify

intermediate goals of policy, Mr. Ellis continued, he wa

prepared

to accept the staff's draft directive with the understanding that

the Committee was not establishing a single rate objective as the

principal goal of policy.

However, he liked Mr. Swan's proposed

rewording of that draft; he shared the view that there was some

inconsistency in the staff draft.

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Mr. Balderston said he would divide the four weeks

between this meeting and the next into two parts.

As the

Committee knew, bill rates tended to be seasonally high during

the Christmas period and then to decline.

He would hope the

Desk would dampen any bill rate increases during the first two

weeks and then, if necessary, support bill rates in the two weeks

remaining before the Committee met again.

For both intervals he

would use the 4.30-4.45 per cent range suggested by the staff as

a guide.

The staff had indicated that a net borrowed reserve

figure of $100 million might be consistent with such a bill rate

objective over the next four weeks as a whole, and he was merely

suggesting that the Desk might need to treat the two parts of

the period separately.

In any case, it now appeared that there

would be net free reserves for a second successive week,

would hope that such figures could be avoided in

and he

the future.

Otherwise the public might well be confused with respect to the

System's intentions in

raising the discount rate.

Chairman Martin said he had little to add to what already

had been said.

He thought the discussion today provided good

evidence of the futility of trying to project developments under

the circumstances of the moment.

In due course the storm was

likely to be followed by a calm in which the Committee could

remold its policy.

He had always found the year end a partic

ularly difficult time to assess conditions.

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The Chairman said he thought that the members of both

the majority and minority had conducted themselves well through

the recent period, and that the System had played a constructive

role in 1965.

Of course, no one could be absolutely certain that

his judgments were correct in every detail.

Chairman Martin then turned to the question of the

directive.

As he had indicated earlier, to him Mr.

Swan's proposal

did not differ in substance from the staff's draft, but that was

a matter of judgment.

In any case, he saw no objection to the

proposal and he suggested that the Committee vote on it.

Mr. Galusha asked whether the Manager thought the proposed

directive gave him room to deal with all of the changes that could

occur in

the period until the next meeting,

including the possible

shift in

the direction of seasonal pressues.

Mr.

Holmes replied

that seasonal pressures might well ebb during the interval and

the Desk would certainly have that possibility in mind.

The period

ahead was a highly uncertain one, however, and he did not think

that all possible developments could be articipated.

Mr. Galusha

then noted that as he understood the general consensus

would be no attempt through open market operation

impact of the discount rate change,

was clear in

the proposed directive.

there

to reverse the

and Mr. Holmes replied that

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to some language revisions in the directive proposed by Mr. Swan.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

was authorized and directed, until

otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions ir.the System

Account in accordance with the following

current economic policy d.rective:

The economic and financial developments reviewed at

this meeting indicate that domestic economic expansion is

gaining in strength in a climate of optimistic business

sentiment, with continuing active demands for credit and

some further upward creep in prices. Although there appears

to have been some recent improvement in our international

payments, the need for further progress remains. In this

situation, it is the Federal Open Market Committee's policy

to complement other recent measures taken to resist the

emergence of inflationary pressures and to help restore

reasonable equilibrium in the country's balance of payments,

while accommodating moderate growth in the reserve base,

bank credit, and the money supply.

Until the next meeting of the Committee, and taking

into account the forthcoming Treasury financing activity

and widely fluctuating seasonal pressures at this time

of year in addition to the recent increase in Reserve Bank

discount rates, System open market operations shall be

directed to moderating any further adjustments in money

and credit markets that may develop.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would

held on Tuesday, January 11, 1966, at 9:30 a.m.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary

be

Attachment A

CONFIDENTIAL (FR)

December 13, 1965

Draft of Current Economic Policy Directive for Consideration by the

Federal Open Market Committee at its Meeting on December 14, 1965

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting indicate that domestic economic expansion is gaining in

strength in a climate of optimistic business sentiment, with con

tinuing active demands for credit and some further upward creep in

prices. Although there appears to have been some recent improvement

in our international payments, the need for further progress remains.

In this situation, it is the Federal Open Market Committee's current

policy to complement other recent measures taken to resist the

emergence of inflationary pressures and to help restore reasonable

equilibrium in the country's balance of payments, while accommodating

moderate growth in the reserve base, bank credit, and the money

supply.

To implement this policy, and taking into account the recent

increases in Federal Reserve Bank discount rates and forthcoming

Treasury financing activity, System open market operations until the

next meeting of the Committee shall be conducted with a view to

moderating further adjustments of noney and credit market conditions

in a period of widely fluctuating seasonal pressures.

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1965, December 13). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19651214
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19651214,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1965},
  month = {Dec},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19651214},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}