fomc minutes · January 10, 1966

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System in

Washington, D. C.,

PRESENT:

on Tuesday, January 11, 1966, at 9:30 a.m.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Mr.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Balderston

Daane

Ellis

Galusha

Maisel

Mitchell

Patterson

Robertson

Scanlon

Shepardson

Messrs. Bopp, Hickman, Clay, and Irons, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Shuford and Swan, Presidents of the

Federal Reserve Banks of St. Louis and San

Francisco, respectively

Mr. Young, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Messrs. Baughman, Garvy, Holland, and Koch,

Associate Economists

Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Solomon, Adviser to the Board of Governors

Mr. Molony, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Partee, Associate Director, Division of

Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Reynolds, Adviser, Division of International

Finance, Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Mr. Axilrod, Associate Adviser, Division of

Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

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Mr. Heflin, First Vice President, Federal

Reserve Bank of Richmond

Messrs. Eastburn, Mann, Parthemos, Brandt, Jones,

Tow, Green, and Craven, Vice Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Philadelphia,

Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, St. Louis,

Kansas City, Dallas, and San Francisco,

respectively

Mr. MacLaury, Assistant Vice President of the

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Geng, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Anderson, Financial Economist, Federal

Reserve Bank of Boston

Mr. Kareken, Consultant, Federal Reserve Bank

of Minneapolis

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the minutes of the meeting

of the Federal Open Market Committee held on

December 14, 1965, were approved.

Upon motion duly made and seconded, and

by unanimous vote, the action taken by avail

able members of the Committee on December 28,

1965, approving payment of 1/8 per cent com

mission in a transaction undertaken to acquire

guilders to pay off the System's $25 million

August 1965 drawing on the Netherlands Bank

and to liquidate the remaining guilder/mark

swaps with the Bank for International Settle

ments in amount of $12.5 million each for

System and for Treasury, was ratified.

Under date of December 27,

1965, there had been distributed

to the members of the Federal Open Market Committee copies of the

report of audit of the System Open Market Account and of the report

of audit of foreign currency transactions, both made by the Board's

Division of Examinations as at the close of business September 24,

1965, and submitted by the Chief Federal Reserve Examiner under date

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of November 1, 1965.

Copies of these reports have been placed in

the files of the Committee.

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the audit reports

were accepted.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the System Open

Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions and on Open

Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies for the

period December 14, 1965, through January 5, 1966, and a supplemental

report for January 6 through 10, 1966.

Copies of these reports have

been placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. MacLaury

said that the Treasury gold stock would remain unchanged again this

week.

The $75 million decline announced during the last statement

week of December more than covered the French purchase of $67 million

in that month, and the Stabilization Fund holdings appeared to be

in pretty good shape to withstand anticipated drains during the

remainder of January.

As the Committee would recall, the Russians

had made a sale of $31 million in gold through the London market on

December 28.

That proved to be a timely contribution to the Pool's

holdings in view of the continuing gradual drain resulting from

persistent private demand combined with smaller than normal amounts

of new gold production coming to the market.

For the future,

indications were that South Africa would continue to rebuild its

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gold reserves by withholding from the London market some part of its

new production.

As a result, supplies to the Gold Pool would be more

than usually dependent on Russian sales, the timing of which was, of

course, quite uncertain.

Mr. MacLaury noted that the year-end pressures on the

exchange markets that had come to be expected in recent years pro

duced fewer problems this year than in the past.

resulted from a combination of factors.

That welcome change

One of the most important,

of course, was the smaller deficit in the U.S. balance of payments

in the closing months of the year.

And, in marked contrast to last

year, the covering of short positions in sterling this year offset

to a considerable extent the usual year-end repatriation of funds

from London, which last year was greatly exaggerated by the specu

lative pressures on sterling.

On the continent there was no massive

repatriation of funds to Germany at year-end as there had been in the

past, partly because funds had been moving into Germany in preceding

months in considerable volume under the stimulus of the tight money

market conditions in Germany.

(The year-end pressures in Germany

were relieved to some extent by the Federal Bank's action in

temporarily reducing bank reserve requirements.)

As a result, the

Federal Bank was not required to take on sizable amounts of dollars

and, indeed, as the year-end approached funds began to move out,

thus permitting the underlying payments deficit to be reflected in

reserve losses for the first time.

Since December 27 the Federal

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Bank had used $100 million in supporting the mark rate.

The only

instance in which the usual year-end pattern showed up was in

Switzerland, where during December the Swiss National Bank took in

a total of $385 million on a swap basis from Swiss commercial banks.

Since those funds were immediately channeled back into the Euro

currency market via the Bank for International Settlements, the

effects on exchange and money markets even of that sizable movement

were largely neutralized.

Reflecting the calmer atmosphere in the markets this year

end, Mr. MacLaury said, the System had not only been able to avoid

taking on new commitments to finance over-the-year-end swings, but

had actually been able to make substantial progress in reducing

outstanding commitments.

System drawings of Belgian francs under

the standby arrangement with the Belgian National Bank were reduced

during the period from $50 million to $25 million equivalent, as

the Belgian National Bank used dollars to support the franc in its

market.

As Committee members had been informed on December 27, the

Netherlands Bank found itself in a position to sell guilders to the

System in sufficient amount to liquidate all outstanding commitments

for both System and Treasury.

As in the case of Belgium, the

Netherlands Bank found that it had to provide more support for the

guilder during the closing weeks of the year than it had anticipated

and thus could sell the System $50 million equivalent of guilders on

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a wholesale basis--$25 million equivalent to liquidate the System's

drawing under the swap arrangement, and $12.5 million each to reverse

System and Treasury swaps against marks through the BIS.

In addition,

the Treasury was also able to pay off the remaining $17.5 million

equivalent of maturing forward Swiss franc contracts, thus completely

liquidating market commitments that had first been taken on in

July 1963.

As indicated in the written reports, Mr. MacLaury continued,

there was a good demand for sterling in the early part of the period

since the Committee's previous meeting, reflecting both covering and

current commercial needs.

Then there were a couple of days of mild

pressure, associated primarily with the year-end demand for dollars

which resulted in some swapping out of sterling.

On December 20 and

21, when sterling eased down from its previous level of about $2.8030

to $2.8013 or so, the New York Bank put bids in the market for System

Account to indicate to the market that the central bank support for

sterling--which had made such an impression on the market on

September 10--was still available.

That had the effect of stabilizing

the market, and only a small amount of sterling was in fact bought

before the market turned around.

Demand picked up once again in some

volume following the Christmas holidays.

During the whole period

since December 14, the Bank of England took in a total of more than

$200 million, and for the month of December it was able to show a

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reserve gain of $16.8 million after repayment of $75 million on

swap drawings from the System and liquidation of further forward

commitments.

As the Committee knew, the $275 million drawing by

the Bank of England that matured on December 30 was rolled over for

four days and then paid off on January 3.

At this point, it was

expected that the remaining $200 million drawing, scheduled to

mature on January 28, would be rolled over for a few days into

early February, at which time it, too, would be liquidated--thus

putting the entire $750 million swap arrangement back on a standby

basis.

The good performance of sterling in the markets during the

past few months and over year-end, Mr. MacLaury said, should not be

taken as an indication that Britain's problems were by any means all

solved.

The third-quarter U.K. balance of payments deficit was a

rather disappointing performance.

While there was no specific reason

to expect trouble in the next few months, one could not write off

the possibility that market sentiment could again turn against

sterling, even during its period of seasonal strength.

For that

reason, he felt it was vitally important that the arrangements worked

out for providing a defense for sterling be in full readiness.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System open market transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

December 14, 1965, through January 10,

1966, were approved, ratified, and

confirmed.

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Mr. MacLaury noted that two swap arrangements would mature

during the early part of February:

the $250 million, six-month

arrangement with the German Federal Bank matured on February 9, and

the $100 million, three-month arrangement with the Bank of France

matured on February 10.

He requested the Committee's approval of

renewal of both arrangements, neither of which was in use at present.

Renewal of the standby swap arrange

ments with the German Federal Bank and

the Bank of France was approved.

As he had mentioned earlier, Mr. MacLaury observed, the

drawings under the arrangement with the National Bank of Belgium were

now down to $25 million equivalent, having been reduced since the

last meeting of the Committee by $25 million.

The remaining drawing

would come up for its second renewal on February 10.

With the

Belgian franc under some mild pressure, he would hope that at least

part of the drawing could be off the books before maturity, but he

requested Committee approval of renewal of the drawing for an addi

tional three months, should that prove necessary.

Possible renewal of the $25 million

equivalent drawing on the swap arrange

ment with the National Bank of Belgium,

maturing on February 10, 1966, was noted

without objection.

Mr. MacLaury said that he would note one final technical

point in connection with the Belgian arrangement, for information of

the Committee.

December 22,

At the time that arrangement was renewed, on

1965, the Belgian National Bank had requested that the

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interest rates applicable to drawings be adjusted upward to take

account of the rise in U.S. bill rates since the previous renewal.

After checking with the Treasury, it was agreed that the rate on

three-month drawings under the standby portion of the arrangement

be increased to 4-1/4 per cent from 3-3/4 per cent, and that the

rate on the fully-drawn portion, with a term of six months, be

increased to 4-3/8 per cent from 3-7/8 per cent.

As the Committee

knew, the Belgian arrangement was unique in a number of respects,

and it was now the only arrangement under which interest rates were

adjusted periodically rather than being linked automatically to the

U.S. Treasury bill rate.

Mr. Hayes said he would like to add a footnote to

Mr. MacLaury's remarks concerning repayment by the British of their

drawings on the swap arrangement.

As the members would recall, the

Committee had discussed the matter at its December meeting and there

had been general agreement that it would be desirable for the draw

ings to be cleared up as promptly as possible.

He had sent a note

to Lord Cromer of the Bank of England conveying that view of the

the Committee.

At the time of writing it had already been agreed

to roll over for just a few days the $275 million drawing that came

due at the end of December.

With respect to the $200 million

drawing due in late January, he had pointed out to Lord Cromer that

the Committee placed a high value on emphasizing the short-term

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nature of swap drawings both by word and by practice, and that an

effort to repay the drawing would be useful.

He (Mr. Hayes) had

just received a reply from Lord Cromer thanking him for the infor

mation on the views of the Committee and expressing full agreement

with the Committee's position.

Lord Cromer went on to say that the

Bank of England might well ask for renewal of the drawing due on

January 28, but they intended to repay it in the first few days of

February.

Mr. Hayes thought it was well that the Committee had

taken the position it had.

There was no doubt in his mind that the

Bank of England viewed the matter in the same way as the Committee

did.

Chairman Martin commented that the matter evidently was

working out in a satisfactory fashion.

The Chairman then noted that

Mr. Daane had been abroad at the time of the Committee's previous

meeting to attend a meeting of the Deputies of the Group of Ten,

and he invited Mr. Daane to comment.

Mr. Daane remarked that the Deputies had met in Paris on

December 14 and 15,

1965, to continue the discussion begun during

the meeting early in November of some rather basic questions on

various aspects of the subject of deliberate reserve creation that

had been posed by Chairman Emminger.

Those questions concerned

(1) the need for new reserve assets, (2) who should be responsible

for their creation and distribution, (3) what types of assets should

be created, (4) the rules for decision making, and (5) the matter of

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multilateral surveillance.

The discussions so far had been exploratory,

involving a relatively free exchange of views and with no hard and

fast positions taken.

The general atmosphere, carried over from the

November meeting, was one of actively seeking a basis for agreement

that could be presented to the Ministers and Governors of the Ten

sometime this year--perhaps as early as June, although that might be

optimistic.

On the first question, Mr. Daane said, he thought that to

date no one had come up with a good, clear measure of what the

reserve needs were or might be.

Some people had attempted to make

an analogy to a domestic economy but others had rejected that

approach.

One country took the view that the concept of "global

reserve needs" was, after all, a "political" concept.

Mr. Daane

noted incidentally that the International Monetary Fund was engaged

in a parallel study of the needs for international reserves and

liquidity.

The second question, Mr. Daane said, came down basically to

the issue of whether responsibility for the creation and distribution

of reserves should lie with the Group of Ten--or perhaps the Group

plus two or three other countries--or with the IMF.

Except for the

French, the Deputies seemed to be generally agreed that reserves

should be created "in close association" with the IMF.

How individual

members would define "close association" varied, but it seemed fair

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to say that the Group was moving closer to the view that the IMF

definitely should be in the picture and perhaps in the central role.

On both the questions of who should create and distribute

reserve assets and what sort of assets were envisaged, Mr. Daane

continued, at the November meeting the British had recommended a

dual approach, with some support from the U.S. side.

Under this

approach reserves would be created by and for a limited group of

countries and also more widely within the structure of the IMF.

The

former could involve a variety of techniques but would, perhaps,

come close to the "collective reserve unit" that had been under

discussion over the past few years.

The latter could take the form

of a "floating tranche" for all IMF members, or could involve a self

qualifying principle under which those countries that had already

drawn their gold tranche would not be immediately eligible but would

be potentially eligible.

At the December meeting there was consider

able sympathy for this dual approach around the table, which meant

that the possibilities of both a new reserve unit and of additional

reserve asset creation through the IMF were still very much in the

deliberations.

Beyond that point, Mr. Daane said, some specific problems

arose.

One major problem was the question of whether the distribution

or use of any new asset should be linked to gold.

There was general

agreement, except on the part of the French, that there should be no

gold link in the creation and distribution of the new asset.

The

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majority view seemed to be that there also should be no gold link

in connection with use of the asset, except that of a gold-value

guarantee.

If the no-gold-link route was chosen, however, the

question arose of what sort of limit should be applied; some sort

of creditor limit would seem to be required.

At that point the

issue began to shade into some of the other more technical problems

that were being considered, related to the acceptability of the

asset.

The French had consistently taken the position that their

own proposals--which were unchanged from those they had made to

the U.S. representatives at the beginning of the deliberationswere on the table, and that they were awaiting the proposals of

others.

Related to this, the Deputies were scheduled to have a

3-day meeting near the end of January, in which they might well come

a bit closer to the negotiations stage.

There would be another

meeting in March, probably in Paris, and then a longer meeting in

Washington, most likely in April.

Mr. Hayes asked if Mr. Daane felt that enough consideration

had been given in the discussions to the possible adverse effects of

a new reserve asset on the use of the dollar as a reserve currency.

Mr. Daane replied that the question of the relation to

existing reserve assets was one of the basic questions considered in

November and again in December.

The French said at the December

meeting that they had never recommended eliminating the dollar as a

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reserve currency.

They recognized that many countries would want to

maintain working balances in dollars and also that within a reserve

currency "bloc" of countries there would be larger holdings of reserve

currencies.

They felt, however, that the Group of Ten countries

should normally hold only working balances in reserve currencies and,

at a minimum, not hold any more reserve currencies in their reserves

than they did now.

In Mr. Daane's judgment that was a somewhat milder

position than they had taken at earlier meetings.

Most of the other

Deputies emphasized the role of the dollar in international transac

tions and its use in exchange markets.

There was considerable

sentiment on the continent for a tightening of the multilateral

surveillance process, which now was rather loose, involving mainly

WP-3 discussions, but the dollar's continued status as a reserve

currency was clearly envisaged.

Mr. Hayes said he had raised the question because he thought

there was a real risk that the U.S. might lose some of its financing

flexibility, not only in connection with deficits but also when its

payments were in balance.

Even with over-all balance, there would

always be some countries with respect to which U.S. payments were in

deficit.

It would be disadvantageous if a trend should develop abroad

toward unwillingness to accumulate dollars to deal with swings in

payments between the U.S. and individual countries, as well as

between third countries.

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In response to a question by Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Daane said

it was his personal feeling--which would not necessarily prove to

be the official U.S. position--that it would be undesirable for any

new reserve asset created to bear interest, particularly if the

asset carried a gold guarantee.

In his judgment any new asset

should stand on its own feet;and without interest it would offer

minimum competition to the dollar.

On the other hand, there were

those who felt that a newly-created reserve asset should carry some

nominal interest in order to insure its attractiveness to potential

holders.

That would result in three types of reserve assets:

gold,

bearing no interest; the new asset with a gold guarantee, offering,

perhaps, a 2 per cent return; and dollars, now offering about a

4-1/2 per cent return.

The question was not closed and, as he had

noted, the view he had expressed was a personal one.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the

members of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System

Open Market Account covering open market operations in U.S. Gov

ernment securities and bankers' acceptances for the period

December 14,

1965, through January 5, 1966, and a supplemental

report for January 6 through 10,

1966.

Copies of both reports

have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes

commented as follows:

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The four weeks that have elapsed since the Committee

last met have been turbulent ones for financial markets

and for System open market operations. The period encom

passed the December tax date, the year-end statement

date, a three-pronged Treasury cash financing operation,

and a transit strike in New York City which still

threatens the efficient operation of the financial

markets themselves. During the period there were

conflicting interpretations of the course of developments

in Vietnam, concern and uncertainty over the likely

shape of the budget, growing recognition that inflation

was of major concern for 1966, and a potential conflict

between the Administration and industry over steel

prices. At the same time, banks in the money centers

came under increased seasonal pressure and loan demands

were heavy at a time when financial markets were still

in the process of adjusting to the change in the discount

rate.

While there were conflicting movements during the

period, the net impact of all these developments was to

put short-term interest rates under heavy upward

pressure, while rates for intermediate Government

securities also rose substantially. In the long-term

area, however, rates on Governments actually declined

slightly, while the corporate and municipal markets,

under the influence of a seasonally light calendar,

were generally steady.

Given the turbulence of the period, which, inciden

tally, made reserve projecting a more than usually

hazardous occupation, open market operations were

conducted with a view to moderating the pressures on

bank reserve positions and the money market. In view

of various alarms and excursions that occurred during

the period, it is difficult to summarize Federal Reserve

operations. Generally speaking, however, it can be said

(1) that operations supplied a large volume of reserves

to accommodate a far greater than seasonal expansion of

required reserves, resulting from a strong rise in bank

credit and a change in deposit mix as bank CD's ran down

over the tax and dividend dates, and (2) they mitigated

the upward pressure on short-term interest rates. One

measure of this reserve supply can be seen in nonborrowed

reserves, which rose at an annual rate of 21 per cent

in December. Heavy use was made of repurchase

agreements during the period, helping to moderate

average dealer financing costs in the light of higher

commercial bank lending rates. Measures of net reserve

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availability, as the written reports point out, varied

widely over the period. The net borrowed reserve figure

of $180 million published for last week was apparently

taken by the market in stride, without creating the

impression of any tightening of monetary policy. The

results were admittedly a higher net borrowed reserve

figure than we had aimed for, but it was a week in

which reserves consistently fell short of projected

levels by a large margin and which was thoroughly com

plicated by the year-end statement date and by the

impact of the transit strike.

The transit strike in New York has brought to the

forefront many of the technical aspects of financial

market transactions that most of us normally take for

granted. The dependence of these markets on bookkeepers,

security handlers, and messengers was brought sharply

into focus a week ago yesterday when, despite elaborate

preparations, many of the employees of New York City

banks and security houses were prevented from getting

to work. The breakdown of mechanical arrangements

resulted in a fairly large number of failures to deliver

securities early in the week, but as a result of heroic

efforts by banks and dealers, and individual employees,

the flow of securities and money has been kept going.

Early in the week the New York Reserve Bank, after

consultation with the market, requested dealers to

avoid trades for cash delivery while the emergency

existed, in order to avoid the last minute transfer of

securities and funds that such trading entails. Since

last Thursday the market, following the lead of the

stock exchanges, has generally been closing at 2 o'clock,

and this has also helped. There is no doubt, however,

that the strike has reduced the efficiency of the market

and tended to make dealers very cautious. It has also

limited the System's ability to operate ona normal basis.

While the market continues to function, and we have not

been unduly hampered in our operations, we will all

breathe a sigh of relief when we can return to the normal

hazards of bus and subway travel in the City.

As mentioned in the Board staff blue book 1/, Federal

funds, which had traded mainly at the discount rate for

1/ The report, "Money Market and Reserve Relationships," prepared

by the Board's staff for the Committee.

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two weeks after the rate was raised, have again generally

traded at a premium. This has not been due to any general

shortage of reserves (as mentioned earlier non-borrowed

reserves have risen substantially) but to the convergence

of reserve pressures on money center banks, where basic

reserve deficits more than doubled in the three weeks

ending January 5 compared with the three weeks ending

December 15.

On Friday, New York City banks were running

a basic reserve deficit in excess of $1.4 billion, and in

addition were borrowing heavily from non-banks in the form

of repurchase agreements, promissory notes, and Federal

funds purchases. These pressures should subside as

January progresses, but CD maturities are large and loan

demands appear to be continuing contraseasonally. Until

the pressures on money market banks subside, pressure

can also be expected in the funds market (and on CD rates)

as individual banks try to avoid excessive use of the

discount window. I might mention that at least one large

New York City bank went to 5 per cent on 6-month CDs

yesterday.

The various written reports that the Committee has

received have commented extensively on Treasury bill and

other short-term rate developments in recent weeks. In

yesterday's auction, enlarged by $100 million for the

second week, $1.3 billion in 3-month bills sold at an

average issuing rate of 4.58-1/2 per cent, while the six

month rate went to 4.74 per cent. Bidding for the new

three-month bill, in particular, has been quite cautious

in recent weeks, owing to the increased size of the

weekly offering and the return flow of shorter bills as

investors reversed pre-year-end window dressing opera

It seems also that, in the light of current

tions.

uncertainties and wider rate movements, the market is

exacting a larger underwriting spread from the Treasury

in compensation for the increased risks and higher

financing costs.

The books were open yesterday on the final stage of

the Treasury's cash financing operation. The offeringof $1.5 billion 10-month certificates having a coupon of

4-3/4 per cent and priced to yield 4.85 per cent--has

been very well received by the potential subscribers.

With the tax and loan account privilege estimated to be

worth an additional 20 basis points to the banks, a

heavy oversubscription is expected, with the market

estimating allotments of no more than 10-15 per cent.

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As far as the outlook is concerned, I can merely

echo the Board staff in saying that it is difficult

to assess the potential degree of money market and rate

pressures and the likely inter-relationships among money

variables in the immediate future. The weeks ahead will

provide a further testing period for the interest rate

adjustments that have already been made. While basic

market expectations at the moment appear to lean towards

a further upward drift in interest rates, the present

level of interest rates could prove quite attractive to

investors, particularly if seasonal pressures show some

signs of abating, and if other unsettling developments

do not occur. At the higher rate levels, dealers have

had considerable success in selling Government securities

out of their portfolios. Since December 29 they have

sold nearly $240 million coupon issues maturing in over

one year, moving into a net short position of about $50

million by last Friday. Some of the corporate funds

going into Governments appear to represent proceeds of

bank loans that will not be needed for operational

purposes until later in 1966.

Whether or not the rally that started in the Gov

ernment bond market last week can be sustained is as

yet unclear, although the market appears to be in a

better technical position than it has been in for some

time and the success of yesterday's Treasury financing

is heartening. With its January cash needs now arranged

for, the Treasury will be turning its attention to the

refunding of $4.8 billion notes maturing on February 15th,

of which $2.5 billion are held by the public. The

Treasury will have hard decisions to make as to coupon

and maturity for the new issue or issues to be offered,

and much will depend on the circumstances prevailing at

the time terms have to be set. A successful refunding

operation could help restore a greater measure of

stability in the market.

The System should, of course, give the Treasury as

much support as it can in the refunding. But a definition

of "even keel" at a time when the market is more susceptible

to general economic, military, and budgetary developments

than to small changes in monetary variables is not easily

come by.

Perhaps the most we can do is to be a moderating

influence in what now appears to be a highly uncertain

situation, but one which may settle down as the month

goes on.

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Mr. Mitchell asked Mr. Holmes if he thought that the Desk

had given any leadership to the money market in the recent period.

Mr. Holmes replied that the Account Management had made a

substantial volume of repurchase agreements on almost every trading

day of the last 2 weeks.

In his judgment the market understood

that the System would act, and act promptly, to provide needed

reserves, although it did not expect reserves to be supplied to

finance any rate of credit expansion, however high.

In response to further questions by Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Holmes

said he did not believe the market assumed the Committee had any

specific interest rate target in view, and he doubted that a new

increase in the discount rate was widely anticipated.

The market

was impressed by the strength of the business situation and the

fact that the Administration now seemed more cognizant of the

possibility of inflationary developments than it had earlier; and

banks were impressed by the strength of loan demand in January and

by the outlook for a substantial increase in loans in the first

quarter.

Mr. Mitchell observed that at its last meeting the Committee

had chosen not to give the Manager very much in the way of detailed

instructions while waiting for conditions to settle down, and he

gathered that the Manager thought some progress had been made in

the latter respect.

Was there anything the Committee could do now

to tranquilize the present state of expectations?

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Mr. Holmes commented that in his judgment announcement of

a rather restrictive Federal budget would be more reassuring to the

market than any action the System might reasonably take.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the open

market transactions in Government securities

and bankers' acceptances during the period

December 14, 1965, through January 10, 1966,

were approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Chairman Martin called at this point for the staff economic

and financial reports, supplementing the written reports that had

been distributed prior to the meeting, copies of which have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

Mr. Koch made the following statement on economic conditions:

New information on past economic developments and

on prospective spending plans serves to confirm the

existence of a strong expansion currently and its likely

continuance. As a matter of fact, both developments in

the recent past and future prospects suggest a rate of

economic expansion that could be creating problems of a

destabilizing nature--first inflation and subsequently

readjustment.

The significant upward revision in GNP in the first

three quarters of 1965 that the Commerce Department has

just announced has already led to marked upward revisions

in GNP forecasts, not only in level but also in rate of

increase. Prior to last summer, a common forecast for

GNP in 1966 was $700 billion. After a worsening of

conditions in Vietnam in mid-summer, forecasts were

generally raised to the vicinity of $710 billion. Now

they range from $720 to $730 billion. A $725 billion

GNP this year would mean a rate of increase similar to

that last year--about 7-1/2 per cent in current dollars

and 5-1/2 per cent in real terms. And this is to be

achieved with fewer unused resources available to draw

upon than there were a year ago.

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The two critical elements in one's prediction of

likely economic things to come remain developments in

Viet Nam and business investment--and their repercussions

on the economy generally.

As for the likely impact of Viet Nam on fiscal policy,

the Administration has dropped specific hints over the

last week or so as to the prospective size of the admin

istrative budget in both the current and the next fiscal

year. The total expenditure figures on an administrative

budget basis most frequently mentioned are around $105

billion for fiscal 1966 and up to $115 billion for fiscal

1967. Even with no tax rate increase, the rise in revenues

resulting from further growth in the economy will be large.

But it is not likely to quite match the jump in spending.

It is difficult to translate these fragmentary clues

on the budget into national income and full employment

terms, which are more meaningful for economic analysis.

Nevertheless, they suggest some increase in the net

stimulative nature of fiscal developments this year. With

a booming private economy and with the full employment

budget likely to be in deficit under current tax rates

and prospective Federal spending, even a modest increase

in net fiscal stimulation this year might prove excessive.

One major uncertainty in this area is the possibility

of peace in Viet Nam. In event of such a happy development,

private expectations and spending plans would no doubt be

deflated, but Federal fiscal policy might well remain

stimulative. Defense spending would likely continue

higher than in the recent past and expenditures on the

Great Society programs would increase. However, there

is every indication that, with current and prospective

military spending as large as it is, every effort is being

made to limit other Federal spending programs. A sharp

worsening of the situation in Viet Nam, on the other hand,

could lead to speculative buying on the part of consumers

as well as businesses.

As for business investment, the recent GNP revisions

raised earlier figures sharply for both fixed outlays and

inventory accumulation. According to the revised figures,

business fixed investment in the third quarter of 1965

was 15 per cent higher than a year earlier. It amounted

to about 10-1/2 per cent of the GNP. In the current

quarter, this percentage may edge up further. Such per

centages are similar to those that prevailed during the

investment boom of 1956 and 1957.

The relationship of these fiscal and capital spending

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developments to monetary policy lies mainly in their

likely effects on expectations, resource utilization,

and prices. Here the situation looks better from the

point of view of current employment and output levels

but more troublesome from the point of view of longer

run economic stabilization. We have been achieving

our goals of an increased standard of living and reduced

idle resources. But the closer we get to full utiliza

tion of resources, the more we have to watch out that

the pace of economic expansion remains sustainable and

its character balanced and the more we may have to

worry about the trade-off between reduced unemployment

and price stability.

Assuming a rate of increase in dollar and real

GNP this year roughly comparable to that last year,

capital utilization rates are likely to edge up further,

employment should continue to advance rapidly, and the

unemployment rate should decline significantly more.

To illustrate, total manufacturing capacity might well

increase 7 per cent or more this year if current

spending plans are realized. This would not likely

be quite as large as the projected rate of increase

in manufacturing output, assuming the specified rise

in GNP. Moreover, pressures would be more acute in

some specific manufacturing lines where utilization

rates already exceed 90 per cent of capacity.

In the labor field, the armed services and the

anti-poverty programs alone could push the unemploy

ment rate down 2 or 3 tenths of a percentage point

and a rapidly increasing employment should contribute

3 to 4 more tenths to the decline, depending on the

rate of labor force growth. Thus, the overall

unemployment rate might well drop to, say, 3.5 per

cent by summer from the 4.1 per cent rate in December.

These likely developments in resource use would no

doubt put additional pressure on wages and prices.

Recent wage increases in some nonmanufacturing lines

have already been exceeding the Administration's

guideposts. Moreover, the rate of rise in productivity

in the total private economy appears to have slowed

somewhat. The average increase in the years 1961 through

1964 was 3.8 per cent, but the rate last year fell to

3 per cent or lower.

Although the rise in prices in general continues

to be moderate and selective, it is persistent. The

increase in the wholesale price index for industrial

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commodities, for example, amounts to 2 per cent now

since the upcreep began about 15 months ago. Continuing

shortages of supplies of copper and other materials, and

the most recent steel price flare-up, suggest growing

pressure on the guideposts.

From the point of view of the domestic economy, the

actions increasing discount rates and Regulation Q

ceilings last month look to have been more and more

appropriate and timely with each passing day and each

available new statistic. As for the policy over the

next three weeks, current Treasury financing suggests,

although it probably does not dictate, one of an even

keel nature. Even in the absence of Treasury financing,

however, such a policy would seem to me appropriate.

First, we need to know more about the lagged effects

of last month's actions in dampening the growth in

reserves, deposits, credit, and spending over the

longer run. Second, and even more importantly, we

need to know more about the course of nearby develop

ments in Viet Nam, and whether, if inflationary forces

appear strong, the Administration will attempt to seek

some fiscal restraint through a tax increase and/or

expenditure limitations.

Mr. Holland made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

In the tightening money market of recent weeks,

one contributing factor of key importance has been the

powerful groundswell of credit demands. Statistics are

gradually becoming available to reveal just how strong

and pervasive those demands have been.

By way of perspective, newly available figures for

the fourth quarter show total net funds raised by the

nonfinancial sector mounting above an $80 billion annual

rate.

This is sharply higher than the reduced third

quarter rate, and reflects the fourth-quarter concentra

tion of Treasury financings that helped to aggravate the

money market pressures.

Private borrowing also climbed

back up in the fourth quarter to a $67 billion annual

rate, matching the peak of last spring that was swollen

by borrowing to stockpile steel. At this level, private

borrowing equaled 11 per cent of private GNP, extending

theslowly rising trend in this ratio that has prevailed

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since 1962. The chief reason for this uptrend in

private borrowing is not hard to pinpoint:

it

parallels very closely the vigorous rise that also

has been taking place in the total of net private

physical investment. Viewed against the perspective

of the new GNP figures, these latest borrowing and

investment figures do not suggest a sudden new out

burst of activity so much as a fairly steady,

substantial, almost inexorable-appearing rise in

private investment and its financing to places of

importance in the over-all economic picture that have

not previously been touched except near the peaks of

cyclical surges in the earlier postwar years.

It is trite to say that bank credit expansion has

contributed importantly to this over-all credit expansion.

It is not as trite to point out that bank credit growth

in the fourth quarter does not appear to count for any

greatly different share of total credit flows than would

be true for the preceding nine months of 1965 taken as

a whole. While this comparison implies a continuing

very vigorous bank credit expansion, I daresay it

sounds less imposing than the recent flow of bank

reports might have led one to expect. On reflection,

I think three elements have been at work enhancing our

sense of a very expansive banking performance.

To begin with, detailed weekly figures suggest that

the increases in bank balance sheets are being concentrated

particularly in two items that are accorded special

cyclical significance: business loans, and the money

supply. Business loans were up by a seasonally adjusted

$1.4 billion in December, and the first January week

also looks strong. Meanwhile, the demand deposit

category also started to expand more sharply during

December. Both of these are magnitudes that might be

expected to be moderated a bit, I think, by higher interest

rates being paid. Their brisker growth, in the face of

such added rate disincentives, therefore, is probably a

tribute to short-term customer desires for cash for trans

actions purposes--and perhaps indirectly reflective of

the vigor of current spending intentions.

A third special development affecting appraisals

has been the sharp step-up in the ratio of reserve use

by the banking system. On average, banks needed con

siderably more in the way of required reserves to support

each dollar of deposit expansion in December and early

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January than was true in previous months. This resulted

partly from the slowdown of time deposit growth and the

pickup in demand deposit expansion. In addition, within

the demand deposit total, there was a deposit shift that

favored higher-requirement reserve city banks more than

low-reserve-requirement country banks. As can be judged,

therefore, such an increased "consumption ratio" for

reserves has both some purely technical overtones and

also some underlying policy implications.

The combination of these influences on reserve use

added up to a striking total, and the Desk responded by

injecting nonborrowed reserves at an annual rate above

20 per cent during December. Nearly as high a rate of

reserve rise seems to be persisting into January. Our

standard reserve projection and estimation procedures

fall short of allowing for so great a reserve appetite

on the part of the banking system, and consequently the

Manager, as he has already indicated, repeatedly found

himself faced with after-the-fact downward revisions in

net reserve availability. Time after time during this

interval the market ended up with less reserves than

either it wanted or we intended. The result was to

compound the prevailing degree of market tightness.

In the event, given the strength of money and loan

demands that were contributing to the increase in reserves

demanded, I would argue that the more or less automatic

additional degree of reserve restraint resulting from

the misses in reserve projections was a constructive

outcome--and one that might work to similar advantage

in the weeks immediately ahead. However, whether or

not individual members of the Committee might agree that

these reserve shortfalls can be constructive, it seems

to me and to some others of the more embattled members

of the staff that it would be helpful if the Committee

could take a more explicit stand as to whether the

tendency for reserve misses to be more or less automatic,

and approximately countercyclical, should be acquiesced

in, or perhaps even welcomed; or, alternatively, whether

the Committee would prefer an adjustment of reserve

projection procedure that would try to minimize such

misses by "aiming ahead of the banking system," so to

speak, whenever we sensed that its demand for reserves

was beginning to rise or fall by more than seasonal

proportions.

I would not presume to attempt to crowd all the pros

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and cons regarding such a proposal into a briefing such

as this. If this suggestion finds favor, however, perhaps

some kind of staff or Committee study of the matter could

be undertaken.

Mr. Galusha commented he did not understand the proposal

Mr. Holland had advanced.

Was he suggesting that the Committee

should encourage imperfection in the projections of reserve

figures?

Mr. Hickman said that, as he understood it, Mr. Holland

would like to attempt to reduce the rate of growth of nonborrowed

reserves by encouraging misses of deeper net borrowed reserves.

Mr. Holland replied that that was in fact what had

happened recently.

He was suggesting that the Committee might

want, not to encourage such misses, but to acquiesce in them.

The result would be symmetrical; if reserve needs turned down

suddenly, the misses would be in the opposite direction and

policy would in effect be eased more rapidly than if there were

no misses.

Mr. Ellis said he gathered that what Mr. Holland actually

would like was some guidance as to how the Committee felt on the

matter, and Mr. Holland agreed.

Mr. Holland also concurred in Mr. Mitchell's observation

that one burden of his (Mr. Holland's) comments was that the

Committee's posture was tighter than it would have been if there

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had not been a relative shift of deposits from country to reserve

city banks.

Mr. Reynolds presented the following statement on the

balance of payments:

Along with the news that the domestic economy has

been expanding more rapidly than earlier supposed has

come news that U.S. foreign trade was also expanding

surprisingly rapidly during the second half of 1965.

This news has both favorable and unfavorable aspects for

the balance of payments; merchandise exports as well as

imports have shown unexpected buoyancy.

Acceleration in the growth of exports last fall

fits with other information suggesting that the pace of

economic expansion in the rest of the world as a whole

was still rapid and may have been accelerating after an

earlier slowdown. If this expansive world economic

situation persists into 1966, as now seems likely, it

will present the United States with new opportunities

for balance-of-payments improvement.

But, at the same time, the gathering boom at home

and the consequent buoyancy of imports emphasize the

standard caveat of recent years:

that fundamental

improvement in our international transactions depends

heavily upon the avoidance or containment of domestic

inflationary pressures. In my view, the main link

between monetary policy and the balance of payments now

runs more clearly than ever through costs, prices, and

the current account, rather than through interest rates

and capital movements. Domestic expansion seems to have

removed whatever conflict there was earlier between

domestic and international goals of economic policy.

From the third quarter to October-November, U.S.

merchandise exports increased at a 15 per cent annual

rate, and in the latest 5 months for which we have dataprobably a more representative period--exports were up

8 per cent from a year earlier. Thus, annual reviews that

dwell on the increase of only 4 per cent from the full

year 1964 to the year 1965 tell us mainly about the set

back in the first half of last year rather than about the

recent trend.

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Agricultural exports--about one-fourth of total

exports--were at near-record levels in October-November,

having rebounded in the summer. The rapid advance in

October-November came in exports of nonagricultural goods.

Data on the geographical destination of exports

through October show that shipments to Canada were

expanding particularly rapidly, and a renewed expansion

of exports to continental Europe seemed to be getting

under way, no doubt related to recent upturns in French

and Italian imports and continued strong demand from

Germany. Exports to Britain, like total U.K. imports,

remained at about year-earlier levels. And U.S. exports

to Japan also showed no significant recent increase,

although total Japanese imports began to expand again

last summer.

U.S. imports did not rise as rapidly as exports in

October-November. But they rose pretty fast nonethelessat an annual rate of more than 10 per cent--thus dis

appointing hopes of a marked slowdown after the steel

settlement. Total imports in the latest months were up

one-sixth from a year earlier. Steel imports, though

down a little from the second-quarter peak, were up by

about 50 per cent from a year earlier, or by about

$1/2 billion at an annual rate. Machinery imports were

up by more than 40 per cent, and imports of non-ferrous

metals and of consumer goods were each up about one-fourth.

What is the range of possible developments for

On the most

exports and imports in the months ahead?

optimistic assumption, that further intensification of

domestic inflationary pressures can be avoided, I think

we could expect to see an appreciable slowing down in

the rate of import expansion. Steel imports might fall

back half-way toward their year ago level, and even if

other imports continued to rise somewhat faster than GNP,

the total might not go up at an annual rate of more than

about 7 per cent. In that setting, exports would probably

rise somewhat faster than imports in percentage terms,

and even more in dollar terms. Acceleration of expansion

in Japan, Italy, and France might about offset possible

slowdowns in Britain and in such important peripheral

countries as Australia and South Africa, to keep our

total exports rising fairly steadily, though probably

not at the very rapid rate of last fall.

This cheerful combination of events could improve

the trade balance by $1 billion or so over the year from

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last October-November, and produce an even larger improve

ment between the full year 1965 and the full year 1966.

The more pessimistic possibility is that there will

be little if any improvement in the trade balance. If

boomy conditions should be accentuated in this country,

both our exports and imports would do less well. Even

if price changes were not markedly adverse, lengthening

of delivery dates and reduced eagerness of U.S. producers

to cultivate foreign and domestic markets could have

important adverse effects.

Evidently, the Administration's target of a further

substantial reduction in the U.S. payments deficit in

1966 implies a foreign trade performance near the

optimistic end of the range I have given--an improvement

much nearer to $1 billion than zero. This is so because

no substantial improvement on capital account is to be

expected, and there may instead be some net deterioration

from recent levels, as explained in the green book.1/

Despite the stress in official statements on the benefi

cial effects to be expected from voluntary programs,

they represent a holding operation this year--an effort

to hold net capital outflows down to roughly last year's

reduced rate, rather than to achieve further net

improvement in this area.

Mr. Maisel remarked that it seemed to him from the statements

of Messrs. Koch and Reynolds that there was a real conflict between

the country's domestic and balance of payments goals.

increase in exports be inflationary?

Wouldn't an

Where would the real resources

needed to improve the trade surplus come from if the domestic

economy would be in a state of over-full utilization of resources?

Mr. Reynolds replied that the importance one attached to

that problem would depend on how one weighed an improvement of,

say, $1 billion in the trade surplus.

The effect obviously would

1/

The report, "Current Economic and Financial Conditions," prepared

for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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be in the inflationary direction, but an export increase that

would result in a large improvement in the balance of payments

would involve a very small part of total domestic activity.

Mr. Mitchell commented that if the economy was really

struggling to meet domestic demands and the demands related to

Viet Nam he thought there would be little room left for an increase

in exports.

He was somewhat surprised by the fact that exports

had been expanding recently, but in any case the country was now

in a new situation.

Mr. Reynolds remarked that if the point was reached where

exports could not rise because of the pressure of domestic demands,

the inflationary environment that would exist would be unfortunate

wholly apart from balance of payments considerations.

Mr. Daane asked whether, on the whole, Mr. Reynolds expected

the U.S. balance of payments in 1966 to be improved over 1965, and

if so whether he thought a position within $250 million of equilib

rium would be attained.

Mr. Reynolds replied that he was optimistic about the

balance of payments in 1966 in the sense that he expected some

improvement in the trade surplus, but he was not prepared to say

how much improvement there was likely to be.

Given the changed

situation abroad, and assuming there would not be inflation in this

country, he certainly was not worrying much about deterioration in

the trade surplus, as he had been a year ago.

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and views on economic conditions and monetary policy. Mr. Hayes,

who began the go-around, made the following statement:

In a few days the President's Economic and Budget

messages should shed some light on the way in which

the Administration proposes to handle the demands of

the Great Society programs and the war in Viet Nam.

This does not necessarily mean an end to the

uncertainty and sensitivity that have characterized

financial markets since the discount rate action was

taken. Budget estimates for fiscal 1967 will clearly

be predicated on uncertain judgments as to the future

course of events in Viet Nam. They will, in any case,

for some time be exposed to critical scrutiny pending

Congressional action. It is not unlikely that

explorations of a possible Viet Nam settlement will

drag on for some time, giving rise to divergent and

shifting expectations and judgments. Moreover, the

impressively strong note on which the economy comes

into the new year and the exuberant outlook are bound

to raise questions about the possibilities for

continued orderly expansion in 1966.

I will not try to add to the staff's penetrating

review of the closing phase of the past year. This

makes it easier to focus on the problems and possible

perils of the future. Clearly, we are entering a new

phase in which economic balance is likely to be

endangered by converging demand pressures more than

at any time since this expansion started almost five

years ago. I am encouraged by the new evidence

suggesting that productivity has in 1965 increased

somewhat more than originally estimated, and I am

hopeful that this favorable development will continue.

The cumulative effect of the recent flow of fixed

investment, supported by substantial expenditures

for research and development, promises to continue

increasing the capacity of our industry and of the

economy as a whole. But right now there remains little

slack in plant capacity and in the labor force. The

easy absorption of excessive steel inventories, the

continuous rise in the backlog of unfilled orders, and

the further decline of inventory-sales ratios all testify

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to the fact that the economy is avidly absorbing the

ever-rising output of final products.

In the current economic climate of an unexpectedly

favorable profit experience and strong consumer demand

without any significant problem areas, businessmen and

market participants tend to become exuberant. Add to

this the near-certainty of a substantial Treasury deficit,

and you have a situation in which inflationary expec

tations are almost bound to win the upper hand. Recent

stock market performance reflects this atmosphere.

Prices of goods and services are now clearly

reflecting the pressures of demand, the existence of

supply limitations, and the search for opportunities to

improve or protect profit margins. Consumer and whole

sale prices, and prices of industrial raw materials,

have risen in 1965 more rapidly than in the immediately

preceding years. Wage guideposts have served a useful

purpose in helping to preserve price stability, but

experience, here and abroad, shows that a taut labor

market is conducive both to over-generous wage

settlements and to less publicized wage advanceswhat the British call "wage drift."

Yet, preservation of cost stability is essential

both for sustained growth and for further progress in

moving toward international balance. In 1966 we will

have to work harder to protect, and, indeed, expand

our trade surplus. But the over-all outlook for the

balance of payments is not good, even though the

December performance looks encouraging on the basis of

fragmentary data. In the immediate future we shall be

living with theeffects of postponed Canadian issues

held over from the fourth quarter; and this factor,

together with larger imports and larger military

spending abroad, will probably offset gains painfully

made in reducing direct investment outflows and in

keeping other capital movements tending in the right

direction.

All the economic data that have become available

since the discount rate action add to its justification.

Indeed, public criticism of it has ebbed considerably,

with increased public and Administration recognition of

the problems of maintaining a balanced expansion in

1966. But the adjustments in the financial markets

have been turbulent, prolonged, and complex. It is

always difficult to disentangle the different influences

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affecting market psychology and expectations. Certainly

our action came at a time when business expectations

were in the process of widespread upward revisions, as

exemplified by the successive escalations of the

"consensus estimates" of 1966 GNP. The implications

of a prolonged conflict in Viet Nam for the economy and

for the budget are now more broadly recognized. Credit

demands continue strong even at the higher costs that

have been established in all sectors of the market and

for all maturities and instruments.

Something of a

scramble has developed among financial institutions in

various parts of the country to hold and to attract

funds, thus compounding pressures and causing chain

reactions. Banks continue to bid aggressively for

time deposits, apparently in the belief that credit

demand will continue to expand strongly. In recent

days, the chaos created by the New York transportation

strike has added to difficulties in estimating reserve

positions and needs, and has threatened the technical

ability of securities markets to perform in the

efficient manner which we normally take for granted.

I believe that in these difficult and confusing

circumstances the Desk has done the right thing in

deemphasizing marginal reserve measures and by focusing

on market performance. Rates have risen more rapidly

than some of us expected, but no useful purpose would

have been served by trying to block the kind of market

pressures that actually developed.

We must look forward to a trying period immediately

ahead. The Treasury is now engaged in a series of

refunding and new money operations. Even aside from

the usual even-keel considerations, the proper policy

appears to be one of "steady in the boat on a rough sea."

The Manager will need again to have more than usual

latitude in conducting operations in a period when

official pronouncements, actual Treasury operations,

and the ups and downs of peace explorations in Viet Nam

buffet the market. At the same time, market participants

will try to assess the longer-run outlook for the supply

of and demand for funds at a time when bank loan demands

normally decline. This will be a difficult period and

we will have to tread a narrow path between resisting

market pressures that might tend to drive rates up

further and providing reserves in such a way as to

reduce, rather than to stimulate, the rate of bank

credit expansion. The continuing objective should be

to maintain net borrowed reserves, but given the

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uncertainties of demand and of technical factors we

should be prepared to see larger swings in weekly

reserve figures.

The draft of the directive proposed by the

staff 1 / seems entirely satisfactory.

Mr. Hayes added that he was not sure he understood all the

nuances of Mr. Holland's suggestion, but he believed the Committee

had been doing the right thing in tending to cushion some of the

effects of the exuberant credit demand, given the recent discount

rate and Regulation Q actions and the various uncertainties

existing in the market.

A certain amount of cushioning also

would be appropriate in the period immediately ahead.

For the

longer term, he would question the desirability of letting

reserves go up as rapidly as they had recently, but for the time

being the Committee was locked in.

Mr. Hayes then reported briefly on the effects of the

present New York City transit strike on the operations of the

New York Reserve Bank.

He indicated that the Bank had been

successful in performing all essential operations but at the cost

of a great deal of staff inconvenience and fatigue.

Chairman Martin said he thought everyone was proud of the

manner in which the New York Reserve Bank was performing during

the present difficult period.

1/ Appended to these minutes as Attachment A.

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Mr. Ellis remarked that the accelerated pace in

manufacturing activity appeared to color the New England economic

picture more and more.

As expected, rising defense expenditures

were showing up in subcontracting and research and development as

well as in direct procurement contracts.

The factory workweek

increased contraseasonally in November to register a 5.3 per cent

year-to-year gain and the manufacturing index chalked up an 8 per

cent corresponding gain.

By far the largest gains had been

registered by aircraft manufacturers.

With the exception of

apparel factories, each of the compiled industry groups showed

substantial year-to-year increases.

Looking to non-manufacturing activities in the region,

Mr. Ellis said, the overriding impression was of prosperityperhaps even expectant prosperity in the sense that it was here

to stay.

Construction contracts, paced by both public works and

residential awards, posted a 10 per cent year-to-year gain in the

average for the three month periods ending in November.

Total

employment was up contraseasonally, and unemployment declined

more than seasonally.

Department store sales over the four

weeks including Christmas registered a 6 per cent gain.

In the banking sector, Mr. Ellis continued, the dominant

theme had been adjustment to higher rates and the year-end

financial turbulence.

During the first half of December the four

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Boston money market banks made fewer short-term business loans

than in the first half of September, but a substantial increase in

average loan size brought a 40 per cent gain in new loan volume

compared with a 17 per cent gain by their New York City counterparts.

Their average interest rates rose 9 per cent compared with the

7 per cent rise in New York in the same period.

Of the banks responding in the First District rate survey,

Mr. Ellis said, 24 per cent had increased or planned to increase

their interest rates on deposits.

Even after such changes,

however, only a handful of banks--mostly the larger ones--paid more

than 4.75 per cent on negotiable CDs and only a handful--mostly

small--paid more than 4.5 per cent on non-negotiable CDs.

Three

banks had announced rates of 5 per cent or higher, one non-member

going to 5.375 per cent on 5-year CDs with $5,000 minimum deposit

size.

Savings bankers, for their part, had been raising their

rates reluctantly and with loud complaints, Mr. Ellis remarked.

The Massachusetts Banking Commissioner had requested the Federal

Reserve Board to limit CDs to a minimum amount of $30,000.

The

manager of the savings bank pool for investing in mortgages

outside of New England reported that his normal placement of

$10-$20 million in an average week had been reduced to almost zero.

He blamed that reduced outflow on slower deposit growth due to

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competition from commercial banks.

So far, only three of 80

reporting savings banks paid 4-1/2 per cent.

The great bulk paid

4-1/4 or 4 per cent.

Turning to monetary policy, Mr. Ellis remarked that

conventional wisdom over the past few months had progressively

matured into a view that virtually all major segments of the

economy would be expanding in the next several months.

In the

absence of data on total credit flows--and he was grateful to

Mr. Holland for beginning with that subject in his remarks todayit appeared safe to judge that demands for credit would be

swelling to a point where the banking system would be under

pressure to secure expanding reserves to support continued rapid

credit expansion.

In that context it was refreshing to be able

to agree with those who concluded that further efforts to reduce

unemployment by monetary policy would incur a serious risk of

a faster upcreep in prices.

From that viewpoint, the realistic

alternatives were to hold policy unchanged or to seek some

lessening of reserve availability.

The realities of present

Treasury financing and prospective refunding counseled an effort

to maintain a facilitating even keel.

As he read the market

reports, however, the even harder reality was that it was difficult

to define the component parts of an even keel policy.

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To the extent that the reserve projections were reliable,

Mr. Ellis continued, failure to take any action to offset currency

return flow would result in net free reserves for the next several

weeks.

Such an outcome would by itself be both confusing and

misleading to the market.

The meaningful question, therefore,

concerned the volume of reserves the Account Management should seek

to absorb by sale of securities into a market where short-term rates

already were substantially bolstered by expanded Treasury offerings.

Once more, Mr. Ellis said, the answer had to emerge from

judgments based on imperfect information and comprehension.

For

his part, he liked Mr. Holland's concept of "constructive

shortfalls."

Bank needs for reserves were met in December, as

indicated by the rise in nonborrowed reserves at an annual rate of

over 20 per cent.

But, except for the last statement week, those

needs were met against an objective of not showing a sharp drop

in net reserve availability.

In his judgment the Manager should

not work solely with a rate objective in mind.

The historic

pattern of a seasonal weakness in bill rates in January might be

overridden by the expanded Treasury bill action and by the current

increases in other rates.

Although the present rate level

exceeded earlier expectations, he saw no reason to attempt a roll

back in rates.

action

Secondly, during the current Treasury financing

the Manager should strive not to lose too much ground, and

should hold as a target net borrowed reserves averaging near

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$150 million.

Finally, for the immediate future, the principal

objective of operations should be to preserve orderly conditions

in the money market by moving to resist sharp movements of rates

in either direction.

Mr. Ellis added that he had enjoyed Mr. Holland's analysis

today and hoped that similar analyses would be included in future

green books.

Also, he would like to see a study of the type

Mr. Holland had suggested the staff might undertake in connection

with his proposal.

Mr. Irons reported strong optimism in the Eleventh District

on the part of businessmen and bankers.

All of the main economic

indicators were at high levels and tending to inch up.

Economists

were upgrading their forecasts for the coming year for sectors

ranging from industrial production through trade into agriculture,

where the returns were coming out very favorably.

Bankers generally reported heavy demands for loans in all

categories, Mr. Irons said, and they expected loan demands to

continue strong.

Banks had reduced their holdings of Governments

but had increased holdings of other securities.

Last month there

was a slight decline in negotiable CDs, but demand deposits

continued up.

The demand for Federal funds was very strong in the District,

Mr, Irons continued, with banks tending to relieve their liquidity

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bind by purchasing Federal funds rather than by borrowing at the

discount window.

Last week purchases of funds amounted to about

$1 billion and sales to about half that sum.

Borrowings from the

Reserve Bank were small; the larger banks, which tend to have

most need for borrowing, were meeting their requirements

primarily through the Federal funds market.

In his judgment it

would be desirable to have more borrowing at the discount window

as an alternative to purchases of funds.

It seemed to him there

had been a change in the banks' concept of appropriate use of the

Federal funds market.

A short time ago banks would enter that

market to make an adjustment for one day--or perhaps a few daysand then they would move out.

But now, with banks operating with

a built-in deficit, they needed funds on a continuing basis and

used the Federal funds market to obtain them.

might be leading to problems.

That situation

He would not want to have the

current practice changed suddenly, but he would like to see some

move taken with respect to the administration of the discount

window that would result in greater reliance on borrowing from the

Federal Reserve.

With respect to the consequences in the District of the

recent change in Regulation Q, Mr. Irons said, there had not been

much disturbance in the attitudes of savings and loan associations

or banks.

Only one bank had moved its time deposit rate up to

5-1/2 per cent, and that rate applied to deposits with some

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contractual limitations.

cent rate.

A few small banks had gone to a 5 per

On the whole, the situation seemed to be quieting a

bit, although the adjustments had not all been made.

Over the

past several weeks there had been very few direct or indirect

contacts on the subject made with the Reserve Bank.

On the national situation, Mr. Irons remarked that it was

unnecessary to review in detail the elements of strength in the

economy, which were outlined in the green book.

In general, there

was virtually full employment and production, and further demands

were being and probably would continue to be placed on the economic

system.

From the standpoint of economic factors alone, one might

conclude that a slightly firmer policy and some additional restraint

were warranted.

However, if one looked to financial developments,

and also took account of the fact that Administration policies

would be set forth in a number of messages over the next few weeks,

it would seem that the System's policy should be one of moderating

changes in financial markets.

Interest rates had risen sharply

recently, and more than he had wished at the time of the last

meeting.

He had expressed the hope then that the discount rate

would serve as a ceiling for other short-term rates, but the other

rates had broken through that ceiling.

For the next three weeks, Mr. Irons continued, an even

keel policy was called for by the Treasury financing schedule.

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He was inclined to gear policy largely to rates, trying to moderate

any further strong upward movements.

He recognized that with the

Treasury adding to bill supplies there might be difficulties in

achieving that objective, and he would be satisfied for the time

being with smaller net borrowed reserve figures than had occurred

last week; he would not be disturbed by marginal reserve figures

in a range of $50 million around zero, if that was necessary to

moderate rate movements and to help maintain orderly conditions

in the market.

In concluding, Mr. Irons said that the Manager should be

given a considerable amount of leeway with respect to his operations.

The draft directive submitted by the staff was acceptable to him.

Mr. Swan commented that in the Twelfth District, as in the

rest of the country, business seemed to be expanding strongly even

though the District unemployment rate continued to be one percentage

point or so above the national level.

Despite the still high,

although declining, unemployment rate, there were reports of

increasing difficulty in obtaining skilled workers--including not

only scientists, engineers, and the like, but production-line

workers as well.

That situation might present some problems to

the aerospace industry in realizing the employment increases it

hoped to make in 1966.

One Seattle company had announced that it

would like to add some 1,500 workers a month in 1966 because of

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its backlog of non-Government orders, but there was some question

as to whether that could be accomplished, given the labor situation

in the Seattle area.

Mr. Swan noted that there was considerable interest on

the West Coast in the adjustments of product prices recently

announced by the U.S. Steel Company--not so much in the price

increases, but in the decreases that were announced in prices of

cold rolled sheets, amounting to $9 per ton or about six per cent.

That reduction was particularly interesting because imports of

cold rolled sheets and strip had amounted to about one-fourth

of West Coast consumption in 1964.

Figures for 1965 were not yet

available but the import proportion probably was still higher in

that year.

The price reductions should improve the competitive

position of domestic production in the western market relative

to Japanese imports.

District banks entered the new year under considerable

pressure, Mr. Swan said.

As Mr. Irons had indicated was the case

in the Eleventh District, Twelfth District banks were net buyers

of Federal funds on quite a consistent basis.

Loan demands were

strong and there were no signs as yet of the seasonal decline that

usually occurred early in the year.

The response to the increase

in Regulation Q ceilings had been quite widespread.

A few banks

raised their CD rates to 5-1/2 or 5-1/4 per cent, and more went

to 5 per cent.

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By and large, however, those were smaller banks.

So far, the

larger banks had not increased CD rates to that extent, nor were

they pushing savings certificates in one form or another very

vigorously.

As to policy, Mr. Swan agreed in general with the views

already expressed.

It seemed to him the Treasury financing schedule

required an even keel posture.

With the Budget Message just ahead

and with the possibility that some of the existing uncertainties

might soon be resolved, the best course for the Committee to follow

in the next few weeks would seem to be to seek again to moderate

any of the changes that might develop in financial market conditions.

He agreed with Mr. Irons that in the coming period some attention

had to be paid to interest rates.

He thought that a posture of

even keel, however defined, would not necessarily call for a roll

back of rates from their present levels, but it would seem to call

for doing what could be done to prevent further rate increases.

He hoped that could be accomplished with net borrowed reserves in

the area of $50 million--or, more broadly, in a zero to $100 million

range.

But if it became necessary to introduce a little more ease

in marginal reserves in order to keep the bill rate in the upper

4.50s, or somewhat below that level, he would not be disturbed.

Mr. Swan was not sure whether or not Mr. Holland's

prescription for a "constructive shortfall" involved a contradiction

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in terms, except for the isolated case.

In other words, although

the Committee might happen to feel that the consequences of an

individual miss were desirable, he did not see how it could

utilize possible shortfalls in the reserve estimates systematically,

as an operating device.

He saw no objection to further attempts

to improve the estimates if it was thought that something could be

accomplished in that direction.

Such improvements would, of course,

reduce rather than increase the possibility of shortfalls.

Mr. Galusha observed that the response of Ninth District

commercial banks to the December change in Regulation Q had of

necessity been uneven.

Some District banks--those in South Dakota

and those with Minnesota charters--were at the moment precluded

from paying more than 4 per cent on time and savings deposits.

He

understood that many Minnesota chartered banks were quite anxious

to have their ceilings raised, but the South Dakota banks, feeling

themselves to be at sufficient remove from Twin Cities competition,

evidently were urging that their ceilings remain unchanged.

Among District banks legally able to respond to the change

in Regulation Q, many had already done so, Mr. Galusha said.

Nearly

all Twin Cities area banks were offering 4-1/2 per cent on 90-day

(non-negotiable) time deposits and 4 per cent on savings deposits.

One of the smaller banks in the area had gone to 4-3/4 per cent

on 90-day time deposits.

Also, the Twin Cities banks were

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aggressively seeking, by major advertising campaigns, very small

denomination time deposits.

Twin Cities area savings and loan associations, Mr. Galusha

continued, had generally responded to bank deposit rate changes

by increasing their share rates to 4-1/2 per cent.

The one mutual

savings bank in the District, which had over $400 million in

deposits, had increased its rate for six-month time deposits to

4-1/2 per cent and reported a much greater than normal year-end

loss of funds.

That report--highly impressionistic, he suspected-

was among the few thus far received.

Most banks had indicated that

it was much too early to tell how their deposit totals were

changing under the new rate structure.

One bank reported consid

erable gains, particularly in large time deposit accounts.

As yet, Mr. Galusha said, not all District country banks

that were legally able to respond to the Regulation Q change had

done so.

Many had, of course, and he thought many of those that

had not would before very long.

Casual evidence suggested that

country banks would be bothered more by competition this time

than they had been following the changes of mid-1963 and late 1964.

There was an indication that structural changes in the District

banking industry were being accelerated.

Mr. Galusha's impression

was that, to hold deposits, country banks as a group would have to

increase deposit rates relatively more than they had last November

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and December.

Then, too, those banks were apparently not in as

good a position to increase gross earnings as they were late last

year.

The once-over shift to longer-term, higher-yielding assets

was largely an adjustment of the past.

And excess cash had, to a

considerable extent, already disappeared.

Seemingly, therefore,

the profits of District country banks would be squeezed more

relatively than those of city banks in the year immediately ahead.

Not that there was any longer anything the Federal Reserve could

do about that.

But he thought it would, perhaps, be well to keep

in mind the possibility of increased resentment among banks which,

even before the revision of the Regulation Q ceilings, weren't

altogether happy with System membership.

Among all the innovations being seen for the first time in

the Ninth District, Mr. Galusha said, the guaranteed time deposit

rate appeared to be the most serious.

One large bank presently

was advertising a five-year guarantee of 4-1/2 per cent on time

deposits which could, at the owners' option, be liquidated any time

after 90 days.

The advertisements were hasty and ill-considered,

with innocent but unfortunate conflicts between the claims made in

them and the instruments involved; the Minneapolis Reserve Bank

had called those conflicts to the attention of the bank, and they

had been corrected.

Were that practice of long-term rate guarantees

to spread now, while interest rates were very high by historical

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standards, the Federal Reserve could find itself in something of

a dilemma the next time the economy sagged and the need for monetary

ease became apparent.

Giving consideration to precluding long-term

rate guarantees on short-term borrowings might therefore be worth

while.

About open market policy, Mr. Galusha said, it was possible

to be very brief this morning, reiterating what had been said

already.

He was impressed by the fact that the Committee's policy

would be only one influence, and a relatively minor one, on

developments ahead, and that its posture would be a reactive one

in the period to come.

So it would appear that the Desk would

have to have a considerable degree of latitude.

That was how he

would define "no change" in policy; and with that interpretation

in mind he was agreeable to the staff's draft directive.

Mr. Scanlon said that recent weeks had produced further

evidence that Seventh District business activity had moved very

close to practical capacity.

Labor turnover had increased and

hiring standards had been lowered.

Delivery lead-times on new

orders had lengthened, particularly in the machinery and equipment

industries.

Since early December, there had been a pronounced

revival in steel orders--much earlier than had been generally

expected--from virtually all steel-using industries.

Allowing

for the holiday let-down, there had been an upswing in steel output

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since mid-November.

Even in the week ending January 1, output of

steel ingots was at a 114 million ton annual rate despite continued

inventory liquidation by some steel users.

Production of autos in

January was scheduled at 830,000 units, slightly above the number

for the year-ago month when strike-depleted inventories were being

replenished.

New claims for unemployment compensation in the District

were far below the previous year's low level in December,

Mr. Scanlon reported.

The usual year-end rise in the proportion

of covered workers receiving unemployment payments was much less

than usual.

In the week ending December 18, insured unemployment

in the District ranged from 1.3 per cent in Indiana and Iowa to

2.0 per cent in Wisconsin, compared with 2.8 per cent for the U.S.

Those totals were far below other recent years.

In the comparable

week of 1955, the previous record low, the range for District

States was 1.9 to 2.6 per cent, compared with 3.1 per cent for

the U.S.

Labor market classifications for November, recently released

by the Department of Labor, showed that Milwaukee was raised to

the "B" category--"relatively

low unemployment" of 1.5 to 3.0 per

cent, Mr. Scanlon continued.

Of 23 District centers only Chicago,

Detroit, South Bend, Terre Haute, and Muskegon were placed in the

"C" category--"moderate unemployment" of 3.0 to 6.0 per cent.

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Classifications for Chicago, Detroit, and South Bend appeared

inaccurate; in each of those centers local agencies rated unemploy

ment at less than 3 per cent.

A careful review of all the

available evidence lead to the conclusion that District labor

markets probably were the tightest since World War II.

Mr. Scanlon went on to say that evidence of continued

strong demand for credit, especially by businesses, was contained

not only in the loan figures but also in banker comments about

full loan portfolios, tight money, and--in some cases--rejections

of loans that would have been made a few months ago.

However,

apparently there was little inclination to cut back on term

lendings, and a substantial part of the demand seemed to be for

term loans.

Despite the fact that money market conditions had generally

been described as tight, Mr. Scanlon remarked, borrowing at the

discount window had not been very heavy or very general.

The

large banks in the District appeared to have been generally

unaggressive in selling CDs.

Nationally, Mr. Scanlon continued, monetary and credit

expansion had occurred at a rapid pace even though interest rates

had been increased, indicating a strong demand for credit, probably

a strengthening demand.

In light of the anticipated continuation

of heavy credit demands in the near future and the threat of

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accelerated price increases, it appeared desirable in the long run

to moderate the rate of monetary expansion.

However, the Treasury's

January cash financing program was yet to be completed, financial

markets were still in process of adjusting to the discount rate

change, and announcements on important Government decisions were

forthcoming.

All of those factors seemed to dictate an even keel

posture for the next three weeks.

Mr. Scanlon said that while he would prefer to have the

directive call for "maintaining current conditions in the money

market," he could accept the staff's draft if it was clear to the

Manager that its wording did not suggest a forced roll-back.

He

agreed that the Manager should continue to have more than the

usual amount of latitude in moderating any pressures that might

develop in financial markets.

Mr. Clay said that in the months ahead the formulation of

monetary policy, and public policy more generally, would be based

on an economic situation markedly different from that prevailing

during the previous years of the current business upswing.

The

military developments and expenditures imposed upon an economy

already operating with relatively small margins of unutilized

resources had brought about a pronounced change.

The exact outline

and proportions of those economic developments could not be fore

seen, quite apart from the possibilities of the military situation

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changing in either direction.

On the basis of present indications,

it was reasonable to assume that the processes of orderly economic

growth would be much more difficult to maintain than earlier, and

the risk of price inflation would be distinctly greater.

Monetary policy in the period immediately ahead would be

conditioned substantially by Treasury financing already under way

and forthcoming, Mr. Clay remarked, and that would point to main

tenance of "even keel" conditions over the period.

Apart from that

fact, it would appear logical to maintain money market conditions

compatible with the recent discount rate action.

Significant

easing in the money market from seasonal forces appeared doubtful,

and there was a possibility that market forces pushing rates

upward might prove to be more powerful.

it was difficult to state policy targets.

Under those circumstances,

A range of 4.45 to 4.60

per cent would appear appropriate for the Treasury bill rate.

The

draft economic policy directive appeared satisfactory to Mr. Clay.

Mr. Heflin reported that Fifth District business remained

strong through the final weeks of 1965.

In the Richmond Bank's

latest survey, manufacturers on balance reported further small

gains in orders, shipments, employment, wages, and prices, and

declines in finished-goods inventories.

The panel, however,

displayed somewhat less optimism than in previous surveys.

Defense Department recently announced intentions to purchase

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120 million linear yards of textiles in the first quarter of this

year, instead of the 6.6 million yards announced in September.

Military needs would amount to only about 3 per cent of the total

first-quarter output of broad woven cottons, but apparently would

take from one-third to three-fourths of the normal output of a few

specified fabrics.

Since virtually all of the industry's antic

ipated output of such goods had already been sold, producers

undoubtedly would be forced to ration available supplies of those

fabrics, and the upward pressure on prices would probably increase

significantly.

There was little he could add to what had already been

said about the national economy, Mr. Heflin commented.

Activity

continued brisk and the over-all business environment appeared

even more buoyant than it had before the discount rate was raised.

Despite sharp upward rate adjustments, bank credit had continued

to climb rapidly in response to strong loan demand.

It also was

reasonably clear that market expectations had shifted more in the

direction of rising rates, and that might be encouraging some

anticipatory financing.

Over the past few weeks the market had

been subjected to a number of random and extraordinary influences,

including the New York transit strike, which complicated the

problem of evaluating the market relationships that would emerge

from the System's recent rate action.

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Mr. Heflin thought that for the coming period the Treasury

financing was clearly the controlling factor in the policy area.

In the light of recent market conditions the important question

now appeared to be what constituted "even keel."

It seemed to him

that a policy of "no change" for the period should be interpreted

primarily in terms of feel and tone of the market, although he

would expect that bill rates would not be allowed to rise above

their recent highs.

Over a longer period, however, it seemed

important to bear in mind that if the recent restraining moves

were to be effective, they had to be reflected in reduced rates of

expansion in bank credit and the money supply.

Mr. Robertson then made the following statement:

I, for one, have been much impressed by the signs

of a stronger and stronger business situation that have

reached us in the last few weeks. Both the contents of

the green book and the briefing this morning reinforce

my feeling on this score. GNP has been marked up

sharply, both in terms of current dollar levels and

past and prospective rates of advance. Employment is

up significantly further, and the long-hoped-for

breakthrough to an unemployment rate below 4 per cent

is finally said to be "just around the corner" of the

next month or two's reports. Thus far, our price

performance has continued on the moderate side, despite

our narrowing margins of unused resources, but I note

that in looking ahead (in the green book) the staff has

now come to say flatly, "...upward pressures on prices

appear likely to be strong."

My own judgment is similarly shifting in this

direction. Accordingly, I am prepared to have monetary

policy make a substantial and positive contribution to

damping such inflationary pressures as they emerge.

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Precisely how much--or perhaps I should say, how

much more--monetary policy might need to be tightened

to serve this purpose depends importantly on two issues

that are still up in the air at this moment:

(1) how much counter-inflationary help we will

get from the Federal budget, and

(2) how much restraint is resulting from the

monetary tightening that has already taken

place.

We now have accomplished a significant second round

of money market tightening, at least from a "rate" point

of view, layered on top of the earlier firming of condi

tions that began last summer. Regardless of whether the

System was right or wrong in its policy actions, and in

the timing thereof, the wise thing to do now is to try

to gain all the positive benefits we can by holding

firmly to this posture of restraint for the time being.

Consequently, I would favor the adoption of a policy

designed to hold money market conditions at about their

current degree of firmness until the next meeting of the

Committee. This kind of policy should serve three

(1) preserving an "even keel"

immediate objectives:

posture in connection with the Treasury financing; (2)

permitting a careful judgment of the content of the new

Federal budget and of public reaction thereto; and (3)

allowing time to appraise the effects of the current

degree of monetary tightness.

By perhaps two meetings from now, these immediate

objectives should be fulfilled and a hard look at the

future course of policy should be possible. While I

favor a pattern of interest rates as low as possible,

compatible with sustainable growth in the economy and

price stability, if credit demand prospects at that

time still appear excessive, we may have to tighten

even further. With interest rates already near historic

highs, such further tightening should not be undertaken

lightly. We shall have to be especially watchful for

signs that our restrictive actions might be having

cumulative effects that could give rise to a credit

crisis and even an eventual recession. These consid

erations ought to make us careful, but not timid or

inactive when the proper time for action arrives.

With these thoughts in mind, I would favor a

directive that called simply for maintaining about the

current degree of firmness in money market conditions

until the next meeting of the Committee.

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he had suggested to that contained in the second paragraph of the

staff's draft directive.

In his judgment it would be desirable to

place emphasis primarily on net borrowed reserves rather than on

short-term interest rates.

The current Treasury financing was a

relatively minor operation and he would not be disturbed if short

term rates moved higher.

As he had indicated, it seemed to him

that the Committee should be holding firmly to the degree of

restraint that had developed.

Mr. Shepardson said he had little to add to the discussion

of the general economic situation.

He thought the staff reviews

of that situation in the green book and in this morning's presen

tation were excellent.

They pointed clearly to a strongly expanding

economy at near-capacity levels with increasing possibilities of

price advances.

In that light the Committee certainly should be

looking not toward maintaining but to further restraining the rate

of credit expansion.

He recognized, however, that with the

Treasury financing situation no active change in policy could be

made at the moment, and the directive proposed by the staff seemed

appropriate.

If he understood Mr. Holland correctly, Mr. Shepardson

continued, as a result of market pressures rather than deliberate

action the situation in the money market was a little tighter

than might have been envisioned at the last meeting; and the

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proposal was that the Committee should contemplate accepting the

same kind of tightening in the future if the pressures of demands

were strong.

In other words, while the Committee would not act

to create firmer conditions, if the market firmed by itself the

Committee would expect to moderate the change but not to roll

conditions back.

Similarly, in a situation in which demand

pressures eased significantly, the reaction would be moderated.

If an alternative interpretation was put on the proposal--namely,

of asking the Desk deliberately to overshoot when the market

tightened--he would not favor it.

He did favor what had been

done in the recent period--working to moderate expansion when

demands outran the projections.

Mr. Mitchell said that the country was in a period of

inflamed expectations and it was that fact that had made it so

difficult for the Desk to deal with the problems facing it recently.

Current expectations ranged from a belief that the economy was

heading for a Korean-war type of inflation, involving increases in

wholesale prices of about 15 per cent over a six-month period, to

a belief that there would be some acceleration from the recent

rate of price change but no increases as spectacular as those

during the Korean period.

Whether or not either of those expecta

tions were valid no one could say at the moment.

The Manager had

implied that monetary policy could do little to tranquilize such ex

pectations, and he (Mr. Mitchell) also saw little that could be done,

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so perhaps the Committee had to lay the problem aside for the

moment.

The real economy was performing well, Mr. Mitchell continued,

and perhaps too well, when judged against the standard of moving

on to a full-employment path.

The present climate of expectations

was vulnerable to change as a result of the President's Budget

Message.

He agreed with Mr. Hayes that an absolute reading on

fiscal policy would not be obtainable from the Message, because the

budget proposed would have to be considered by Congress.

Neverthe

less, he did expect a tough budget, and he thought that it would

have a substantial effect on psychology and expectations.

Under those conditions, Mr. Mitchell said, he was willing

to go along with the staff's draft directive.

However, he would

be inclined to advise the Manager to expect that marginal reserves

would have to be positive rather than negative to implement the

directive.

He would favor bill rates under the discount rate--in

the 4.35-4.45 per cent range--rather than in a 4.50-4.60 per cent

range.

He thought the former was likely to prove a better operating

range, and that rates in that area would be easily arrived at if

the budget was as restrictive as he expected.

If the budget was

not restrictive, the Committee would be faced with a serious problem

and might find it necessary to reconvene to adopt a somewhat dif

ferent policy.

He agreed with Mr. Robertson on the possible need

for restraint on credit growth.

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Mr. Mitchell indicated that he was somewhat dubious about

Mr. Holland's suggestion.

But Mr. Holland had alluded to a very

real problem in commenting on the reasons for the recent market

firming.

An environmental change had developed gradually over

the past few years, involving progressive reductions in the

liquidity of banks and businesses.

The staff analyses tended to

be short-run in nature, implying no change in the general envir

onment.

What troubled him was that if the Committee made decisions

on the basis of such analyses when the environment had in fact

changed, it might take actions that were extremely damaging to the

economy.

It was necessary to be careful, for example, in using

growth rates in bank credit and the money supply as criteria for

policy actions.

When banks were extremely illiquid the alternatives

before the Committee might be to act to ease that illiquidity or

to face a financial crisis, and the first was obviously the better

choice.

Mr. Daane said he had little to add to what had been said.

It seemed to him in the light of the Treasury financing schedule

and the uncertainties as to the shape of the Administration's

projected fiscal policy--whether it was achievable or not--the

Committee should follow an even keel policy at this time.

He had

a great deal of sympathy for Mr. Robertson's statement and like

Mr. Robertson he, too, was somewhat unhappy with the staff's draft

directive.

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members of the Committee had expressed dissatisfaction with the

final clause of the first paragraph, which read "while accommodat

ing moderate growth in the reserve base, bank credit, and the

money supply."

He was particularly unhappy about that clause in

the current context;

it should read "by moderating growth in the

reserve base, bank credit, and the money supply" if the Committee

was trying to ward off incipient inflation.

In the second paragraph

he would prefer to use the customary language, calling for "main

taining about the current conditions in the money market," rather

than language calling for resisting further firming and possibly

implying some rollback in market conditions.

The danger of

incipient inflation was clear, and the Committee's main task was

to keep monetary policy sufficiently flexible to do what it could

to contain inflationary pressures.

Mr. Maisel commented that the monetary picture since the

Committee's last meeting seemed most disheartening.

Interest rates

on most money market instruments rose by nearly the full amount of

the discount rate change.

On the other hand, the expansions of

reserves, of the money supply, and of bank credit were far larger

than in most recent months and far above the average for the prior

policy period.

Thus, it seemed, the worst of both possible worlds

had been experienced, with higher rates and an increased money and

credit availability.

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even keel.

It was important that it look ahead and consider what

sort of policy made sense for the next quarter or six months.

Since the final fiscal picture was lacking, the Committee could

only make tentative plans.

Contrary to Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Maisel

would expect that there would be a tendency to look to the Federal

Reserve System for maximum constraint, since the Committee had

made it evident that it preferred to take the lead in that matter.

It offered the choice of a high interest rate-higher deficit

economy.

If that policy was picked, he did not think the Committee

should be too concerned with the height of the interest rate

necessary to support such a policy.

Mr. Maisel felt, therefore, that the Committee ought

immediately to start to consider, looking toward the next meeting,

the question of how large a cutback in the level of credit expansion

was feasible.

Mr. Holland's report was particularly worrisome.

In the light of that type of credit movement, the Committee ought

to determine what types of quantitative goals it thought were

necessary for monetary policy in the period.

He would hope that

in choosing its policy the Committee would put more stress on the

indexes of nonborrowed reserves, money supply, bank credit, and

total deposits of all financial institutions.

It seemed to him

necessary that the rate of expansion in those series be cut back

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sharply from that of 1965 and particularly its last month toward

or below the rates that had prevailed in the policy period prior

to December 3.

expectations.

The present seemed to be a period of overly high

The Committee should ask what attitude or action it

could take to cut back on expenditures based on those expectations.

While it was thinking about credit flows, Mr. Maisel

continued, it might be proper for the Committee to consider the

required reserve ratios.

He recognized that was the ultimate

responsibility of the Board, not the Committee.

However, in order

to curtail the rate of expansion in credit while at the same time

getting the best possible distribution between small and large

users, the Committee ought seriously to consider the advantages of

moving as far as legally possible to a graduated reserve system.

Mr. Galusha had alluded to a problem that might be ameliorated by

such a change.

In addition, the monetary advantages of moving to

such a system in the next month or two were likely to be so clear

that many fewer complaints would be encountered than if the move

was made at other times.

Mr. Maisel noted that his remarks had been aimed primarily

at planning for the period immediately following that of "even keel."

For this meeting he agreed generally with the directive as submitted,

but he would judge that more stress should be placed on the quantity

of reserves created than on interest rates, particularly in the

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period ahead before the impact on the next Treasury financing

became critical.

If Mr. Daane's suggestions did that, he would

go along with his proposed wording.

Mr. Hickman said it was now clear that the economy was

moving forward at an accelerated pace and was rapidly approaching

the limits of its capacity.

The forward momentum of recent months,

coupled with new higher estimates for GNP for 1965, had caused

most analysts to make almost daily revisions in their projections

for 1966.

The Cleveland Reserve Bank's latest reading (already

out of date) showed that most GNP forecasts for 1966 clustered

around $720 billion, with the more sophisticated forecasts usually

well above that, including Walter Heller's, which was announced in

advance of the revised GNP figures for 1965.

Since last year's

rise in GNP brought forth some upward price pressure, and since

there was now less slack in the labor force, any rise on the order

of last year's increase of $47 billion (i.e.,

to a GNP of about

$723 billion) would imply a risk of serious price inflation, on

the basis of information now available.

While prices were relatively stable during the summer

months of 1965, Mr. Hickman continued, there were renewed signs

of rise in the autumn, as reflected in all of the major price indexes.

In the most recent three months, consumer prices had risen six-tenths

of an index point, wholesale prices about one index point, and the

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industrial component of wholesale prices about one-half of an index

point.

Spot prices of raw industrial materials had moved up at a

very rapid pace since early December, with the index in early

January at a 14-year high.

The latest diffusion indexes for spot

prices and manufacturers' prices also showed sharp increases.

In addition to the recent record of price advances,

Mr. Hickman said, expectations regarding future prices had clearly

been on the rise.

For example, Dun and Bradstreet's most recent

quarterly survey showed that the percentage of businessmen expecting

price increases was the highest since early 1957.

Steel magazine's

fall survey of metal-working industries indicated that selling

prices were expected to rise by a larger amount in 1966 than in

any year since 1959.

Walter Heller, in his GNP forecast, assumed

that the price deflator would increase by 2.1 per cent, which was

high by recent standards except possibly for 1965.

Incidentally,

Paul Samuelson's forecast, published yesterday, stated that the

country would be lucky if prices rose by no more than 2-1/2 per cent.

Against that background of rising output and price pressures,

the accelerated pace of monetary expansion that had characterized

the past month or so seemed clearly inappropriate to Mr. Hickman.

As a matter of fact, most major monetary variables--bank credit,

money supply, and nonborrowed reserves--showed larger gains in the

month following the latest change in the discount rate than in

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comparable periods following other recent discount rate advances.

Moreover, the annual rates of increase of those variables over the

past month had equalled or exceeded the annual rates of increase

since World War II.

He deduced from all of that that the current

thrust of monetary policy--as distinct from the intent of the

Committee--was inflationary.

Admittedly, Mr. Hickman said, it was difficult to determine

the appropriate course for public policy in the weeks ahead.

With

an apparent administrative budget of $110-$115 billion, it now

seemed fairly evident that the burden of restraint had to fall

either on increased taxes, on tighter monetary policy, or on some

judicious combination of the two.

Because of the range of alter

native choices involved in a major policy move at this time, and

because of the errors that were inherent in the basic economic

information, it would be extremely helpful if the Committee had

before it a continuing review of the Administration's position on

the economic outlook and the appropriate mix of fiscal and monetary

policy.

Perhaps brief statements on that subject could be included

in the green book from time to time; it was difficult for those

outside of Washington to obtain such information directly.

In the weeks immediately ahead, Mr. Hickman remarked, the

Treasury financing schedule suggested "even keel" as the appropriate

policy guide.

Nevertheless, the perils of further overheating of

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the economy seemed to him to be so great as to outweigh the short

run objectives of the Treasury.

If the Committee did nothing until

the Treasury was out of the market, in, say, mid-February--which

implied that it continue to pump up bank credit and the money supply

at current inflationary rates--the Committee might find itself in

the position of being able to do too little, too late.

He, therefore,

recommended some moderate tightening, with an immediate objective

until the next meeting of the Committee of moving toward net

borrowed reserves of $200-$250 million.

The staff's policy directive implied to Mr. Hickman that

market rates would be pegged around current levels, with the result

that credit availability might expand excessively.

He would prefer

to reduce the current rate of expansion of the credit base even

if it meant higher interest rates and deeper net borrowed reserves.

Mr. Bopp remarked that it seemed only a few months since

forecasters were predicting a gross national product in 1966 of

not much more than $700 billion.

dramatically.

Now expectations had changed

The recent revision of the figures on last year's

performance, coupled with the swelling of expenditures in Viet Nam

and expectations of a rapid forge ahead in capital spending, made

the staff prediction of a $707 billion GNP (annual rate) for the

first quarter seem quite reasonable.

The rapidly changing business environment also was evident

from the summary of forecasts compiled and published by the

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Philadelphia Reserve Bank, Mr. Bopp said.

A median figure drawn

from that Bank's collection of forecasts produced a GNP in 1966

of $710 billion.

Considering only the more recent of those

forecasts, a GNP of around $713 billion emerged.

Now even that

figure appeared too low, perhaps in the order of $10 billion.

With such a rapidly changing business environment, Mr. Bopp

observed, the question arose of how quickly monetary policy should

respond, particularly during a period like the present, when a

strong economic advance seemed likely to be accompanied by pressures

on labor markets and prices.

For the next few weeks, however,

prospective economic messages and Treasury financing called for a

policy of even keel.

The draft directive seemed appropriate to

Mr. Bopp with the modifications suggested by Mr. Daane.

Mr. Patterson reported that by almost any measure business

activity in the Sixth District was booming.

In fact, it topped

the national performance where it counted the most.

Not only was

the District's insured unemployment less than the nation's, but

every category of manufacturing employment had shown a larger

increase than nationally.

For reasons cited around the table, Mr. Patterson said,

the national business picture had taken on boom proportions.

Nor

could the universal prediction that another substantial rise of

GNP lay ahead be ignored.

The Committee members were all aware

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that such an advance, however desirable, might also harbor serious

problems.

As others had noted today, price pressures had been

increasing.

And they would become even more intense as the economy

got closer to the limit of productive capacity.

The role the Federal Reserve should play in the broader

public effort directed against inflation had, to Mr. Patterson's

way of thinking, been made a matter of public record.

The System

committed itself on that score when the Board, in taking action on

the discount rate, indicated that the move was intended to back

the Government's efforts to prevent inflationary excesses.

In his

opinion, those efforts had received a considerable setback in

recent weeks.

First, it seemed clear that Federal spending and

credit needs would be very much higher than the Committee was made

aware at the last meeting.

Secondly, the failure to achieve a

complete rollback on the price increase of structural steel under

scored the difficulty of using direct pressure to hold down prices.

Under those circumstances, the System would bear greater respon

sibility in coping with inflationary pressures than one might have

concluded a few short weeks ago.

Short-term rates had increased more than many of the

Committee members had expected, Mr. Patterson continued, especially

when viewed against the liberal supply of reserves provided by the

System.

Therefore, strong credit demands rather than System action

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seemed to account for the rate adjustments.

In that context, the

Desk had allowed interest rates to go higher without trying to

curtail the growth rate of bank credit.

Since most people chose

to pay a higher rate rather than do without the funds, that would

not restrict credit very much.

And yet, if his interpretation of

the economy and credit climate was correct, the growth in total

credit had to be held down.

accomplishing that?

How should the Committee go about

If bills were sold, short-term rates would

be pushed up further and the System might eventually feel obligated

to raise the discount rate again.

If reserve requirements were

raised, in meeting the higher requirements banks would be compelled

to sell off coupon issues.

Yields on such securities currently

were about 5 per cent and under those conditions would go even

higher.

As interest rates increased, banks would be compelled to

bid for CDs at increasingly higher rates, unless the banks were

prepared to curtail their lending or to see their corporate customers

put CDs into other money-market instruments.

On the other hand,

interest rates might not push upward at all, if the relaxation of

seasonal pressures at this time of year could be counted on.

Since the dust had not yet settled from the two December

actions and the Treasury's financing calendar permitted little,

if any, overt action today, Mr. Patterson favored maintaining the

"status quo," with the idea that the Desk should absorb reserves

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quickly and to a greater degree than was usual for this time of year,

unless that disturbed the Treasury financing and pushed up rates unduly.

Mr. Shuford commented that as noted by the staff and others

at the table, national economic activity had continued to expand at

a rapid pace.

The current rise in activity appeared to be on a broad

front, with significant gains occurring in most major lines of busi

ness.

In view of the strong upward momentum and the great optimism,

it appeared that total spending would continue to rise in early 1966.

Economic activity in the Eighth District had continued to

expand since summer, Mr. Shuford said, with significant gains in

manufacturing.

Since August, employment by manufacturing firms had

risen at a 4.8 per cent annual rate, and manufacturing output had

risen at a 6 per cent rate.

Total deposits at District banks had

risen at a 6 per cent rate in the same period.

Demand deposits,

which had remained on a plateau during early 1965, had risen at a

4 per cent rate since late summer, and time deposits had increased

at a 9 per cent rate.

Nationally, demands for goods and services appeared to

Mr. Shuford to be excessive, as evidenced by price developments.

In recent months, prices had been rising at an accelerated rate.

Consumer prices rose at a 2.2 per cent rate from October to November,

despite no change in the food price index.

That was the third

consecutive monthly increase at the advanced rate of 2.2 per cent.

Wholesale prices rose at a 4.8 per cent rate from October to

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November, with increases occurring in most of the major components.

Preliminary data for December indicated a further increase in

wholesale prices.

Rising prices, in conjunction with a high level of resource

utilization, indicated that expansion in total demand for goods and

services was outrunning the nation's capacity to meet such an

expansion, Mr. Shuford continued.

When prices rose moderately, a

case might be made that the increases were a calculated cost of

encouraging fuller employment of the economy's resources.

However,

when spending was rising so rapidly that price increases began to

accelerate, there was little doubt that the country was experiencing

undesirable inflation, and that steps should be taken to curb the

excessive demands.

Fiscal and monetary actions were contributing significantly

to increase the total demand, Mr. Shuford said.

The Federal budget,

as measured by the full-employment surplus, turned more stimulative

in the last half of 1965 and was expected to be still more expan

sionary in early 1966.

The nation's money supply had continued to

rise sharply since the increase in the discount rate.

Money rose

at a 7 per cent annual rate from June to December, the highest rate

for any six-month period since 1952.

Such a rapid expansion of

money operated with a lag and its main effect might yet be felt.

In view of the exuberant economic situation and the expan

sionary Governmental actions, Mr. Shuford believed that some further

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monetary tightening would be desirable.

More restraint also

would be beneficial to the U.S. balance of payments, both because

of interest rate effects and restraint on the price level.

How

ever, because of the factors others had mentioned--the Treasury

financing, conditions in financial markets, and forthcoming

economic messages--it was clear that a change in policy would not

be appropriate at the present time.

In his judgment, however,

unless the rates of reserve injection and money growth slowed, the

Committee would have to take another tightening action soon.

As

far as the directive was concerned, he thought that either the

staff's draft or the revised version proposed by Mr. Daane would

be satisfactory.

Mr. Balderston commented that the Committee had had the

task, following the discount rate action of December 3, of easing

the economy over the year-end seasonal bulge.

But actual events

at the turn of the year differed markedly from what either the

Committee or the Desk had reason to anticipate; history did not

repeat itself.

The chart of Federal Reserve credit (weekly

averages of daily figures) from 1957 to date revealed a sharp

decline starting either at the beginning of each year or just prior

to that time.

Moreover, Federal Reserve float exhibited a peak at

the end of each year, followed by a rapid decline immediately

thereafter.

The Committee and the Desk had reason to expect that

such a seasonal pattern would be repeated.

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But the demand for bank credit apparently overwhelmed and

distorted the usual seasonal behavior, Mr. Balderston continued.

On December 14, 1965, the Committee had directed the Desk to

moderate "any further adjustments in money and credit markets that

may develop."

He would interpret "adjustments" to include not only

rates of interest but the volume of credit.

Rates had increased

considerably, with bill rates some 20 basis points higher, but

what had really got out of hand was the flow of reserves, bank

credit, and money.

Nonborrowed reserves increased at an annual

rate of 20.7 per cent in December, total reserves at 18.8 per cent,

bank credit at 10.9 per cent, and money supply at 12.3 per cent.

Those rates were clearly unsustainable and prompt correction was

indicated even though the Treasury was in the midst of a financing.

With payment scheduled for January 19, there were just a few days

to get those percentages back on the beam again before the important

Treasury refunding to be announced January 26.

In short, he hoped

the Committee would not feel it necessary to hold the keel even

for the current financing, which was modest in size and involved a

rich offering.

He would prefer to see such action as was indicated

taken despite the financing, and then anticipate achieving stability

for the February refunding.

The year-end escalation of reserves, bank credit, and

money supply, Mr. Balderston said, reflected the increase in the

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System's portfolio between December 15 and January 5 of about

$2 billion of repurchase agreements in addition to the acquisition

of some bills.

On a net basis, the portfolio grew during the

period by $3/4 billion, whereas in the comparable year-ago period

it had shrunk by $1/4 billion.

In the light of those actions,

the Committee needed to restrict bank credit to the amount required

for growth in output without adding to inflationary pressures.

With mounting war demands superimposed on private demand, it would

appear that current market forces would continue to press interest

rates upward.

from rising?

Should the level of interest rates be prevented

Even if the System could succeed in keeping such

rates stable in the present climate, the effort would tend to

induce inflation.

On the other hand, monetary policy needed the

support of higher taxes if the current war-supported demand was to

be curbed.

However, the System should not shirk its part of the

task, which was to assist the forces of the market to determine

new rate levels in an orderly fashion.

The data now coming to light seemed to confirm that the

discount rate action was in the nick of time, Mr. Balderston

commented.

That event drove home once again that the System's

success turned on its luck in doing the right thing at the right

time and often before all the facts were available.

Now that the

economy had passed the Christmas hump, it would seem appropriate

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to rediscover what level of reserves would keep the economy strong

without overheating, without relying on the Administration to curb

spending or to increase taxes sufficiently.

In wartime actual

spending tended to outrun budgets, and tax increases--if made in

an election year--were tardy in both adoption and effect.

Mr. Balderston would, therefore, permit any further increase

in demands for reserves to firm money market conditions.

By the

word "conditions" he meant not only short-term interest rates but

also excess reserves and bank borrowing.

Hopefully, a return flow

of funds in late January and in February would be of assistance,

but even with such aid the System needed to act.

As to the directive, Mr. Balderston said that Mr. Daane's

proposed change in the first paragraph was acceptable to him, but

that he would like to submit for the Committee's consideration

the following substitute wording for the second paragraph:

"System open market operations until the next meeting of the

Committee shall be conducted with a view to permitting any further

increase in demand pressures to firm money market conditions."

Chairman Martin asked Mr. Holmes what implications he

thought Mr. Balderston's proposed language would have for operations.

In reply, Mr. Holmes said that one problem was that it was

not easy to sort out demand pressures from other forces that might

be tending to firm money market conditions, particularly over short

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periods; over longer periods it could be done more accurately.

He

would be willing to try, but he could not guarantee the results.

The underlying principle--letting net borrowed reserves deepen and

money market conditions firm in a period of strong credit demandscertainly could be a useful one, and was similar, he thought, to

the objective of Mr. Holland's proposal.

Mr. Daane said that as much as he sympathized with

Mr. Balderston's view, and with the view Mr. Robertson had expressed

earlier on the desirability of deriving all possible advantages

from the System's recent rate action, he did not think the Committee

could ignore a Treasury financing even though it was a modest one.

He asked Mr. Holmes whether a deviation from even keel at present

would lead to difficulties for the Treasury.

Mr. Holmes replied that any operations that were interpreted

by the market as signifying an overt change in policy would tend to

confirm the extreme view in the present range of expectations regard

ing future interest rate levels, and might make things quite

difficult for the Treasury in connection with the February refunding.

The refunding could be important in bringing greater stability to

the interest rate structure, if the issue was realistically priced.

At the same time, if overriding forces were pushing interest rates

up efforts by the System to offset those pressures would not be

helpful to the Treasury in pricing the new issue.

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In response to a question by Mr. Daane, Mr. Holmes said

that on the basis of the discussion today he would not interpret

an "even keel" decision as calling either for rolling back rates

from their present levels or for preventing them from rising

further if market conditions worked in that direction.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the Committee lacked the facts

necessary to define the circumstances that were likely to prevail

in the coming period.

There would be no great problem with respect

to bill rates if market psychology changed because a restrictive

budget was announced, and it might be difficult to hold bill rates

up at a reasonable level if developments suggested that the peace

offensive was likely to be successful.

It seemed desirable to him

to give the Manager more leeway than usual until some of the present

uncertainties were resolved.

Mr. Balderston noted that the second paragraph of the

staff's draft directive called for "moderating any further firming

of money market conditions that may develop."

At the same time

the blue book cited the unusually large percentage increases in

financial aggregates in December that he had quoted in his earlier

comments.

Future historians might well ask what firming the

Committee had in mind today when they noted that nonborrowed

reserves, for example, had increased at an annual rate of over

20 per cent in December.

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a view to maintaining about the current conditions in the money

market."

He noted that at least some members had indicated a

preference for placing primary emphasis on net borrowed reserves

rather than on interest rates as such, if it proved necessary to

make a choice.

Mr. Balderston indicated that he was agreeable to

Mr. Robertson's suggestion.

Chairman Martin said he thought the wording Mr. Robertson

had proposed for the second paragraph was appropriate.

He continued

to be impressed by the difficulties posed for the Committee by the

fact that particular words meant different things to different

people.

The longer he worked in the area the more perplexing he

found the problem of specifying the Committee's intentions.

On the whole, Chairman Martin believed that monetary policy

had performed well during the past year.

As he had indicated in

his memorandum to the President that he had read to the Committee

on October 12, the flow of funds was being constricted in an

undesirable way.

The role of interest rates was being viewed

wholly out of perspective, and unwarranted claims about the power

of interest rates were being made by people on both sides of the

policy debate.

There had been real progress in freeing the flow of funds

during the last six weeks or so, Chairman Martin continued.

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one had expected the December rate actions to work miracles; but

it was clear that there had been factors constricting the flow of

funds, and that the rate actions had alleviated the problem.

Fiscal policy, debt management policy, incomes policy, and

monetary policy all were in play all of the time, the Chairman

said, and all four were fluid.

Developments could not necessarily

be attributed to any one of the four, and judgments might differ

on their interrelations at any one time.

Business outlays on

plant and equipment were moving up rapidly and if Federal expen

ditures rose substantially further there would be a sizable full

employment budget deficit about which something would have to be

done.

Certainly monetary policy alone could not cope with that

problem; at some point action might be called for on all four

fronts.

He agreed with Mr. Hayes that the proper course for

monetary policy now was "steady in the boat"; the best the Committee

could do at the moment was to maintain conditions as steady as it

could, and contribute as much as possible to the maintenance of

reasonable flows of funds through the markets.

It was not the Committee's job to tell the Administration

what policies it should follow, the Chairman continued, but debt

management was in a knot at present.

Because of the 4-1/4 per cent

interest rate ceiling on Treasury bond issues, any new Government

financing had to involve maturities of five years or less.

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Chairman Martin observed that he felt more and more humble

as time went on about what really could be accomplished in the area

of monetary policy.

He often had remarked that he did not fully

understand the role of the money supply in the economy, and he had

to say now that after having been concerned with the subject for

many years he understood it less than he had twenty years ago.

One was dealing with human choices and value judgments, and that

required the ability to change one's conclusions from day to day

and month to month.

He did not mean that one should not have

convictions on the subject, but that there should be flexibility

in views.

In his judgment one ought to worry most about the man

who was sure he knew the answers; the nature of the policy problem

was such as to preclude fixed positions.

He, for one, did not

think he had the answers, any more than anyone else.

It was

necessary to maintain an open mind and to probe constantly for

new approaches, new devices, and new instruments.

Chairman Martin thought the Committee was more or less in

agreement on policy today.

The members might best concentrate on

what policy would be appropriate in the future, in light of the

new factors in the situation and considering the contents of the

coming Budget Message.

The System now would be operating in an

entirely new environment--one that had not been contemplated a

year ago--of full employment generally and over-full employment of

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skilled workers.

He personally would favor a little inflation if

he thought it would benefit the unemployables, but he did not

think it would; rather, it would do them harm.

He had debated

that issue for years with academicians, some of whom, he believed,

had an emotional bias on the subject.

In his opinion there was

some justification for their view in the short run but not in the

longer run.

The Chairman then suggested that the Committee vote on a

directive consisting of the staff's draft with amendments along

the lines of those proposed by Messrs. Robertson and Daane.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made and

seconded, and by unanimous vote, the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York was authorized and

directed, until otherwise directed by the

Committee, to execute transactions in the

System Account in accordance with the follow

ing current economic policy directive:

The economic and financial developments reviewed at

this meeting indicate that domestic economic expansion

has strengthened further in a climate of optimistic

business sentiment and with some further upward creep in

prices. Interest rates are higher in most markets in

response to strong credit demands and recent official

rate actions. Our international payments position

improved considerably during 1965 but further progress

is needed to attain effective balance. In this situation,

it is the Federal Open Market Committee's policy to resist

the emergence of inflationary pressures and to help restore

reasonable equilibrium in the country's balance of payments,

by moderating the growth in the reserve base, bank credit,

and the money supply.

In light of the Treasury financing schedule, System

open market operations until the next meeting of the

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Committee shall be conducted with a view to maintaining

about the current conditions in the money market.

Mr. Swan said that it would be useful if the staff could

provide some indication of the effects on seasonal factors for

financial series as the economy approached full utilization of

resources.

In particular, he would like to know whether seasonal

fluctuations tended to be damped under those circumstances.

Mr. Holland replied that the staff would develop information on

that subject.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would

be held on Tuesday, February 1, 1966, at 9:30 a.m.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

ATTACHMENT A

CONFIDENTIAL (FR)

January 10, 1966

Draft of Current Economic Policy Directive for Consideration by the

Federal Open Market Committee at its Meeting on January 11, 1966

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting indicate that domestic economic expansion has strengthened

further in a climate of optimistic business sentiment and with some

further upward creep in prices. Interest rates are higher in most

markets in response to strong credit demands and recent official

rate actions. Our international payments position improved con

siderably during 1965 but further progress is needed to attain

effective balance. In this situation, it remains the Federal Open

Market Committee's policy to resist the emergence of inflationary

pressures and to help restore reasonable equilibrium in the country's

balance of payments, while accommodating moderate growth in the

reserve base, bank credit, and the money supply.

In light of the Treasury financing schedule, System open

market operations until the next meeting of the Committee shall be

conducted with a view to moderating any further firming of money

market conditions that may develop.

Note: The second paragraph of this draft directive is intended

as one possible interpretation of an "even keel" policy stance under

the conditions existing at present. Alternative possible interpreta

tions might involve instructions to maintain "about the current

conditions in the money market" or "about the same conditions in the

money market as have prevailed on average since the preceding meeting"

with guidance given to the Manager as to whether emphasis should be

placed primarily on net borrowed reserves or on short-term interest

rates if the current or recent relations prove inconsistent.

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1966, January 10). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19660111
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19660111,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1966},
  month = {Jan},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19660111},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}