fomc minutes · October 31, 1966

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington, D. C.,

PRESENT:

Mr.

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on Tuesday, November 1, 1966, at 9:30 a.m.

Martin, Chairman

Hayes, Vice Chairman

Bopp

Brimmer

Clay

Daane

Hickman

Irons

Maisel

Mitchell

Robertson

Shepardson

Messrs. Wayne, Scanlon, Francis, and Swan, Alternate

Members of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Ellis, Patterson, and Galusha, Presidents of

the Federal Reserve Banks of Boston, Atlanta, and

Minneapolis, respectively

Mr. Holland, Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Molony, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Brill, Economist

Messrs. Eastburn, Green, Koch, Partee, Solomon,

Tow, and Young, Associate Economists

Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Fauver, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. Williams, Adviser, Division of Research and

Statistics, Board of Governors

Messrs. Hersey and Reynolds, Advisers, Division

of International Finance, Board of Governors

Mr. Axilrod, Associate Adviser, Division of

Research and Statistics, Board of Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

Mr. Forrestal, Senior Attorney, Legal Division

Board of Governors

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Messrs. Willis, Ratchford, Brandt, Baughman,

and Jones, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Boston, Richmond, Atlanta,

Chicago, and St. Louis, respectively

Messrs. Fousek and MacLaury, Assistant Vice

Presidents of the Federal Reserve Bank

of New York

Mr. Lynn, Director of Research, Federal

Reserve Bank of San Francisco

Mr. Deming, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Duprey, Economist, Federal Reserve Bank

of Minneapolis

Upon motion duly made and seconded,

and by unanimous vote, the minutes of

the meeting of the Federal Open Market

Committee held on October 4, 1966, were

approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the

members of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the

System Open Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions

and on Open Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign

currencies for the period October 4 through 26, 1966, and a

supplemental report for October 27 through 31, 1966.

Copies of

these reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. MacLaury

said that the Treasury gold stock would again remain unchanged this

week and there was a good chance of getting through November as well

without any drop in the gold stock.

That respite from previous

sales reflected in part the halt in French reserve gains during

recent months, and the widely publicized decision of the French

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authorities to forego this month their regular 30-ton purchase in

the absence of reserve gains.

During October the gold pool came

out about even on balance, with prices in the London gold market

remaining within a narrow range of $35.15-$35.165.

Since July,

South Africa had not been adding to its reserves with the result

that new production of gold had been coming from that country to

London in substantially larger amounts than earlier in the year.

On the other hand, it seemed increasingly unlikely that Russia

would have to sell gold in the foreseeable future.

There were many cross-currents in the sterling picture

in October, Mr. MacLaury commented, but the underlying trend in

the market was generally one of strength.

As the Committee would

recall, in July, at the time of extremely heavy selling of

sterling, the Bank of England had extended very substantial

support in the forward market as well as in the spot market.

A

large portion of the forward sterling purchases it had made at

that time--i.e., those with three-month maturities--fell due in

October.

Most of those contracts represented hedging of one

sort or another, and since the sellers in most cases did not

have sterling receipts coming in, they had to buy sterling to

make delivery; and, in effect, they bought it from the Bank of

England.

Thus, the Bank of England was able to pick up from

the market most of the dollars it needed to meet the heavy

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maturities, when it was not able to roll the contracts forward.

On several occasions during the month, however, the timing of

dollar purchases and commitments did not coincide and, on

balance, there probably was some net dollar drain in paying off

the sizable maturities that were not rolled over.

The Bank of England had borrowed $360 million overnight

at the end of September, Mr. MacLaury continued.

Also, because

of an increase in sterling balances in September, it was required

under the terms of the sterling balance credit arrangement to

repay $125 million of previously borrowed funds to the Bank for

International Settlements.

As a result, the Bank of England

would have needed nearly $500 million at the end of October just

to refinance previous borrowings.

Of that amount, the U.S. put

up $250 million on an overnight basis--from yesterday to todaywith $200 million from the Treasury and $50 million from the

System.

As it turned out, however, sizable dollar receipts

from the market in the last few days of the month would permit

the Bank of England to announce tomorrow that it had made a net

reduction of foreign indebtedness as well as a satisfactory gain

in its official reserves.

Thus, the U.S. credits to the Bank of

England this month-end represented only a partial refinancing

of credits previously extended to the British.

Taking into

account the net repayments of debt, the increase in reserves,

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and the substantial reduction in forward commitments, the over

all improvement in the British position in October amounted to

about $400 million.

That was an encouraging pattern.

The dollar continued to show strength during the month

against most continental currencies except the German mark,

Mr. MacLaury reported.

The Belgian franc and Italian lira held

around par, and the French franc was frequently just below par.

In each case, it appeared that the central bank concerned

supported its currency on occasion through the sales of dollars

in its market.

In the last few days the System Account had

bought about $12 million equivalent of lire in New York, $10

million of which would be used tomorrow (November 2) to reduce

the System's $100 million drawing on the Bank of Italy to $90

million.

Even greater progress had been made during the month

in reducing System drawings of Swiss francs from the Swiss

National Bank. Total repayments in Swiss francs since the

previous meeting of the Committee amounted to $45 million

equivalent, leaving $100 million still outstanding--including

the $75 million Swiss franc drawing on the BIS.

In contrast

to the currencies just mentioned, the German mark strengthened

considerably during the month and the German Federal Bank took

in about $100 million.

That mainly reflected the persistence

of very tight money conditions and the improvement in Germany's

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trade surplus that began earlier this year.

The German cabinet

resignations last week did not seem to have had any lasting impact

on the exchange market.

Finally, Mr. MacLaury said, his impression was that the

weakening tendency of the Canadian dollar during October was

attributable to the cumulative effects of the reduction in the

rate of new Canadian capital issues in the United States from

the first to the second half of the year, combined with short

term capital outflows from Canada.

Mr. Mitchell asked whether his understanding was correct

that the Bank of England's position had improved by roughly $400

million in October after all window-dressing operations were

discounted.

Mr. MacLaury replied that that understanding was

correct.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the System open market transactions in

foreign currencies during the period

October 4 through 31, 1966, were

approved, ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. MacLaury reported that two drawings by the Bank of

England on its swap line with the System, of $50 million each,

would mature at the end of November.

The Bank of England was

highly conscious of the desirability of paying down those

drawings, and it was possible that they would do so before the

maturity date.

He would recommend renewal of the drawings,

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however, if that should prove necessary.

One would be a first

renewal and the other a second renewal.

Possible renewal of the two

drawings by the Bank of England was

noted without objection.

Mr. MacLaury then noted that on December 2, 1966, the

System's drawing on the Bank of Italy which, as he had indicated

earlier, would be reduced tomorrow from $100 million to $90

million, would come up for a first renewal.

He hoped that

further progress would be made toward repaying the drawing, but

recommended renewal if it did not prove possible to liquidate

it in full.

Possible renewal of the drawing

on the Bank of Italy was noted without

objection.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the

members of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System

Open Market Account covering open market operations in U.S.

Government securities and bankers' acceptances for the period

October 4 through 26, 1966, and a supplemental report for

October 27 through 31, 1966.

Copies of both reports have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes

commented as follows:

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The more buoyant psychology that had emerged in

financial markets prior to the last Committee meeting

has developed further over the past four weeks. The

factors underlying this improved sentiment have been

described in some detail in the written reports to the

Committee and I will not enumerate them here. Pressure

on the markets subsided markedly, interest rates moved

lower, and the corporate and municipal calendar showed

no signs of an unusual buildup. At the same time,

bank credit--as measured by the credit proxy--declined

in October in contrast to the 5-6 per cent rise

projected at the time of the last meeting. While

commercial banks were constrained by a substantial loss

in CD's over the month, the recent decline in Treasury

bill rates has tended to ease somewhat the pressure in

that area as well.

The important question that market participants

have been debating is whether the sign of reduced

pressure in financial markets represents the beginning

of a cyclical downtrend in interest rates and credit

demand or whether it has been a temporary lull, in

part an unwinding of the tensions and psychoses of

late August in the bond markets and of early September

in the short-term financial markets. Many banks and

market observers feel that loan demand remains very

strong and will soon be reasserting itself vigorously.

They ascribe the current shortfall in credit expansion

to anticipatory borrowing earlier and to some lessened

feeling of urgency to borrow now. At the same time,

with interest rates declining, borrowers in the capital

market, they argue, have tended to postpone needs but

may soon be seen again in force. This group also sees

less likelihood of a tax increase now than a few weeks

ago, and on balance is generally optimistic about the

business outlook.

The other major group would read something more

fundamental into recent indications of reduced credit

demand, and would generally argue that the tight money

and fiscal actions taken to date have already taken

the edge off business expansion, and that a tax increase

is no longer necessary. Vietnam is a complicating

factor for both schools of thought, but the latter

group would tend to view military spending as the only

major support of the domestic economy.

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The resolution of views just outlined is, of

course, identical with the issue that the Committee

faces today. For the time being market participants

would agree that the pressures on financial markets

have subsided. The question of "how long" remains.

System open market operations over the period

have, of course, been strongly affected by the

progressive shortfall of the bank credit proxy,

required reserves, and other aggregate measures from

the expectations of four weeks ago. A somewhat more

comfortable tone has been permitted to emerge in the

money market, partly reflecting the change in expecta

tions, and net borrowed reserve figures have fluctuated

widely without exciting either the press or the market.

Early in the period--in the week ending October 12,

for example--there appeared to be some tendency for the

larger banks to anticipate reserve needs at the discount

window. In that week heavy average borrowings and a

net borrowed reserve figure of about $500 million were

associated with a generally comfortable Federal funds

market. In the week ending October 19 country banks

built up their excess reserves substantially in the

first week of their settlement period, with the

result that a far lower level of net borrowed

reserves--around $300 million--was consistent with

about the same tone in the Federal funds market.

Last week, as excess reserves were put to use by

country banks, a somewhat higher level of net borrowed

reserves than the $366 million that eventuated would

have been consistent with the general money market

But, as the written

atmosphere of recent weeks.

reports spell out, after injecting about $250 million

of reserves on Monday, October 24, when the money

market was firm and net borrowed reserve estimates

for the week were around $600 million, we were faced

with unexpectedly large revisions in the figures on

Tuesday. While we absorbed reserves on Tuesday we

did not think it worthwhile to press too hard,

particularly in light of the behavior of the credit

proxy.

Looking ahead, the Board staff is projecting a

2 per cent decline in the credit proxy for November,

as the blue book 1/ indicates; the New York Reserve

1/ The report, "Money Market and Reserve Relationships,"

prepared for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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Bank projection is for a larger decline. I confess that

at the Desk we had been anticipating some resurgence

in private credit demand in November, and had also

expected the Treasury financing program to result in

the acquisition of Government securities by banks.

Thus I find the projections hard to believe. I

believe that in the circumstances, the proviso clause

of the directive 1/ may be hard to interpret. On the

basis of my understanding of the Committee's intentions

in the recent past, I would think that the proviso

clause should be interpreted as calling for tighter

money market conditions only if bank credit appeared to

be expanding again at a rapid rate in November. Perhaps

a rate in excess of the average expansion so far this

year would be required to bring the proviso into play.

On the other hand, if the staff expectations appeared

to be borne out, some further easing of money market

conditions might be called for. Any shading of money

market conditions and reserve availability from recent

patterns would of course have to take place within the

context of even keel considerations. I would find it

helpful if the Committee members would comment on their

own interpretation of the proviso clause during the

course of the go-around.

For the past several months now we have been paying

more attention to short-range aggregate measures--the

credit proxy and required reserves--in conducting day

to-day open market operations. On the whole I believe

this has worked rather well. The credit proxy, however,

could be improved if more weight were given to some of

the nondeposit liabilities of banks which have a

counterpart in bank credit although they do not affect

the proxy as it is currently calculated. I would hope

that the staff would give early consideration to the

improvement of the proxy in order to make it a still

better measure of daily average bank credit.

1/ A draft directive submitted by the staff for consideration by

the Committee is appended to these minutes as Attachment A. A set

of explanatory notes was attached to the draft in an experimental

effort to clarify the staff's reasons for proposing certain

language at particular points.

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Treasury financing will be an important market

factor over the remainder of the year. The books are

open today on the November refunding, in which the

Treasury is offering for cash $2.5 billion of 5-5/8

per cent 15-month notes and $1.6 billion of 5-3/8 per

cent 5-year notes in exchange for $4.1 billion of

maturing obligations--of which $3.2 billion are held

by the public. The offering announcement last

Thursday met with an enthusiastic response, and the

market anticipates that subscribers to both issuesand especially the longer note--will receive only small

allotments on their subscriptions. Both issues are

attractively priced (these are the highest coupons on

Governments since the early 1920s), and there seems to

be a lively interest on the part of dealers, banks,

public funds, and small investors. Some speculative

demand is apparent, but the Treasury's decision to use

a cash rather than a rights exchange minimizes the risk

by keeping the size of the longer issue under control.

The System holds $829.1 million of the maturing issue

and I would plan to exchange the full amount for the

5-5/8 per cent 15-month note,

By using a cash refunding the Treasury will avoid

attrition and can raise about $300 million in new money

with a normal 10 per cent overallotment. Cash needs for

the remainder of the year amount to about $2-1/2 billion,

which the Treasury currently plans to raise through a

strip of Treasury bills in the one-year cycle and through

an additional offering of tax anticipation bills. The

first part of this cash financing should be announced

before the November 15 payment date on the refunding,

with the second part scheduled for some time in December.

It should be noted that the decision to postpone

marketing of Federal National Mortgage Association and

Export-Import Bank participation certificates has

created problems with the debt limit as the Treasury's

own financing has been increased. The Treasury will be

pressing against the $330 billion temporary ceiling

by late this month, and December could bring additional

problems. While the Treasury probably will be able

to live under the present ceiling through the rest of

this year, especially if market conditions permit the

issuance of participation certificates, there could be

some annoying problems in operating the Treasury's cash

position in the next two months and an increase in the

debt ceiling may be required early next year.

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Mr. Swan asked whether the somewhat shallower net borrowed

reserve figures of the last two weeks were likely to recur in the

current week or whether Mr. Holmes would expect the figure to deepen

at this point.

Mr. Holmes responded that last night the Desk was

looking at a figure of $469 million for the current week.

It was

hard to predict the final figure, however, partly because one could

not say what revision would be indicated by the country-bank sample;

last week the sample had added about $100 million to reserves.

On

the whole, however, he thought the figure would not be far from

last week's, and perhaps a bit deeper.

Such a figure probably

would be consistent with a relatively constant tone in the money

market.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that like Mr. Holmes he had reserva

tions about the proviso clause in the directive, but perhaps for

different reasons; he was troubled by the language.

He noted that

the staff projected a decline in the bank credit proxy at an annual

rate of about 2 per cent in November.

If in fact the Committee

wanted to moderate the disintermediation that was taking place,

what could it achieve and what would be the implications for the

rate structure?

What should be done about attrition in CD's?

Mr. Holmes commented that many banks thought they might be

approaching the end of the road with respect to attrition in their

outstanding CD's; they felt that their position with respect to

CD's had improved, and that the outlook did not appear as

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discouraging as earlier,

Of course, the average maturity of CD's

was now quite short and the banks' positions remained vulnerable.

Mr. Mitchell observed that bill rates might have to remain

close to their present levels to avoid a considerable amount of

attrition, and rates might have to drop by 20 or 25 basis points

further to stop attrition altogether.

If there was some rise in

bill rates more CD run-offs would follow and the credit proxy might

well decline by more than now projected.

Mr. Holmes agreed that a rise in bill rates would tend to

increase CD run-offs, but he thought there was a range within which

rates might fluctuate without substantial effects.

It was hard to

say how much of a decline in bill rates would be required to bring

attrition to a halt.

In response to a question, Mr. Holland indicated that the

staff's projection of the bank credit proxy in November allowed for

a CD run-off of about $1/2 billion, with short-term rates expected

to rise a bit.

Mr. Hickman asked whether the one-month bill rate was the

most relevant for assessing CD developments, and Mr. Holmes replied

that rates on bills with maturities out to three months had to be

considered.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the open market transactions in Govern

ment securities and bankers' acceptances

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during the period October 4 through 31,

1966, were approved, ratified, and con

firmed.

Chairman Martin observed that at its preceding meeting the

Committee had agreed to consider today the subject of possible

System operations in agency issues, and he asked Mr. Holland to

comment.

Mr. Holland noted that recent legislation gave the System

authority to engage in open market operations in direct obligations

of U.S. agencies and obligations guaranteed by such agencies, and

that a staff memorandum on the subject, dated October 3, 1966, had

been distributed.

The question before the Committee today was

whether it wished to take some action at this juncture in recognition

of the new authority.

The Account Manager had indicated that he was

not prepared to recommend outright transactions in agency issues at

this time because of a number of problems, outlined in his memorandum

to the Committee of June 23, 1966, that required resolution; but

that he would consider repurchase agreements in such issues to be

a potentially useful addition to the kit of tools available for

reserve management.

Mr. Holland went on to say that in his judgment the immediate

market situation was not such as to make the matter a pressing one.

It was true, however, that dealer inventories of agency issues had

been rising, and now were approaching $1/2 billion.

On occasions

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when dealers had financing needs in connection with those holdings,

the use of RP's against agency issues might be an appropriate means

of making some necessary reserve injections; and such RP's might

also facilitate flotations of agency issues.

In the staff's opinion,

the only action required to authorize RP's in agency issues, if the

Committee so desired, was an amendment to paragraph 1(c) of the

continuing authority directive, and a draft of an amended paragraph

was incorporated in the October 3 memorandum.

In response to the Chairman's invitation to comment,

Mr. Holmes said he thought Mr. Holland's remarks had covered the

matter well.

He would add only that some dealers were now complain

ing about a shortage of agency issues.

In the present atmosphere,

which was quite different from that of June, outright transactions

were likely to distort the market--and that was an additional reason

for not engaging in such operations now.

Repurchase agreements

against agency issues would have been useful in the recent past on

occasions when there was a shortage of bills in the market and it

was necessary to supply reserves.

Mr. Mitchell observed that the agency market was likely

to be under great pressures in the spring.

He thought it would

be desirable to go beyond authorizing repurchase agreements against

agency issues now, and also to authorize outright transactions in

them.

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issues at this time.

In the absence of some unexpected development,

U.S. agencies probably would be in the market again in the spring,

and it would be helpful then to have had some experience with agency

RP's and to have accustomed the market to such operations.

Moreover,

he thought the Committee should take some action in response to the

enactment of enabling legislation.

Mr. Daane said he would go along, although somewhat reluc

tantly, with the proposal to authorize RP's against agency issues,

largely for the second of the two reasons Mr. Brimmer had mentioned.

He felt that the basic consideration in decisions on use of the

authority should be--in words drawn from the Manager's June

memorandum--"whether such operations would be of value in imple

menting System policy objectives."

He would not favor authorizing

outright transactions in agency issues at present.

Mr. Maisel remarked that the Committee should give a good

deal of attention to the matter of outright transactions.

He then

asked about the rates at which recent RP's against Treasury bills

had been made.

Mr. Holmes replied that all RP's recently had been made

at the discount rate.

For some time he had felt that that rate

was undesirably low, considering the levels of short-term market

rates in general.

On three different occasions he had considered

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applying a higher rate; the continuing authority directive, of

course, specified only a minimum rate.

Unfortunately, on each

such occasion, the market situation and psychology had developed

in a manner that led him to conclude that a higher RP rate would

have an undesirable impact on expectations.

Mr. Holmes added that the subject of agency issues was

being given extended consideration in the joint Treasury-Federal

Reserve study of the Government securities market now underway,

and at some later time the study group might bring forward some

expressions of opinion.

Chairman Martin said it seemed to him that it would be

desirable for the Committee to authorize RP's against agency

issues now.

He thought the Committee would want to study the

question of outright transactions further, and be prepared to

reach a decision regarding them at a later date.

Mr. Mitchell reiterated his view that the Committee should

go further now.

In his opinion authorizing outright transactions

would be consistent with the position the Board had taken at the

time the legislation was under consideration in Congress, and it

would be appropriate on other grounds also.

He did not think the

Committee would be trying to influence the prices of agency issues

in any manner other than that in which it now influenced Treasury

security prices.

The Committee put funds into some sector of the

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market to achieve monetary objectives--which might be defined in

terms of reserves, money supply, total deposits, interest rates,

or other variables.

He saw operations in agency issues as a

further means of achieving monetary objectives.

Mr. Daane commented that he had meant to indicate that

monetary objectives should be placed first even in the use of

RP's against agency issues, and on that point he felt there was

no disagreement between Mr. Mitchell and himself.

Mr. Brimmer asked when Mr. Holmes thought the current

study of the Government securities market would be completed.

Mr. Holmes said the study group had made substantial

progress recently and hoped to move further ahead in November.

He

was not able, however, to indicate a specific date for completion

of its work at this time.

Mr. Brimmer said he hoped the matter of the availability

of the study would not influence the date at which the Committee

would reach a decision on outright transactions in agency issues.

At the same time, he personally would be reluctant to go ahead

without having the study, and therefore he hoped that it could

be accelerated.

Mr. Hayes said that on the general issue he found himself

in agreement with both Messrs. Daane and Brimmer.

Authorizing

RP's against agency issues would be useful, and he thought the

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Committee should take that step; but he saw no need for the

Committee to reach a judgment on the broader question of outright

operations at this time.

He strongly agreed with Mr. Daane that

any operations in agency issues should be for monetary purposes

alone.

Mr. Robertson said that if the Committee thought authoriz

ing RP's against agency issues would facilitate their underwriting,

it should authorize such RP's, to be utilized just as RP's were

utilized elsewhere.

He would favor going that far now.

At some

point the Committee would have to face the question of authorizing

outright transactions, and it should do so in advance of the time

at which the question of actually undertaking such transactions

became pressing.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

paragraph 1(c) of the continuing

authority directive to the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York was amended

to read as follows:

(c) To buy U.S. Government securities, obligations

that are direct obligations of, or fully guaranteed as to

principal and interest by, any agency of the U.S., and

prime bankers' acceptances with maturities of 6 months or

less at the time of purchase, from nonbank dealers for the

account of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York under

agreements for repurchase of such securities, obligations,

or acceptances in 15 calendar days or less, at rates not

less than (1) the discount rate of the Federal Reserve

Bank of New York at the time such agreement is entered

into, or (2) the average issuing rate on the most recent

issue of 3-month Treasury bills, whichever is the lower;

provided that in the event Government securities or agency

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issues covered by any such agreement are not repurchased

by the dealer pursuant to the agreement or a renewal

thereof, they shall be sold in the market or transferred

to the System Open Market Account; and provided further

that in the event bankers' acceptances covered by any

such agreement are not repurchased by the seller, they

shall continue to be held by the Federal Reserve Bank or

shall be sold in the open market.

Chairman Martin then called for the staff economic and

financial reports, supplementing the written reports that had been

distributed prior to the meeting, copies of which have been placed

in the files of the Committee.

Mr. Brill made the following statement on economic conditions:

An economist has to take his economic information

where he can find it, and I'm not above using, as the

text of my sermon this morning, the caption on a delight

ful cartoon which appeared in The New Yorker magazine last

week. Most of you must have seen it. It's the one showing

two attache-case-carrying types stepping out of a building

On spotting that infamous symbol

marked "Federal Reserve."

of the Great Depression (a man selling apples on a street

corner), one of the two comments, "I say, don't you think

we've cooled the boom off enough?"

Certainly, a number of economic indicators suggest

some cooling off. And certainly, we don't want to wait

until there are apple-sellers on street corners before

reversing the stance of policy. But as usual, many of

the indicators now available are ambiguous, and some of

the uncertainties about the future, particularly about

defense outlays, remain. Under these circumstances, the

appropriate stance of policy is far from being crystal

clear.

Looking back over the economic performance of the

past several months, one can see many signs of a slowing

in the rate of rise in activity. But some of this has to

be attributed to supply constraints, perhaps as much as

For example, the industrial

to moderation in demands.

production index slowed considerably in the third quarter,

rising only half as fast from June to September as it had

over the spring quarter. The reduced rate of expansion

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did reflect production cutbacks in industries where demands

have eased, such as in autos and home goods.

But it also

represented the reaching of labor and plant capacity limits

in other industries, such as business and defense equipment.

Over all, our newly revised measure of capacity use in

manufacturing indicates that the utilization rate has remained

fairly steady this year, at levels as high as that reached

at the peak in 1955.

There also have been signs of a slowing in nonfarm

employment growth in recent months, over and above that

attributable to the exceptionally large withdrawals of teen

agers from employment in September in order to return to

school. Here, again, there is a mixture of supply limits

and demand weakening, with shortages of skilled workers in

some manufacturing industries requiring a lengthening of

the workweek, while in other industries--such as textiles

and construction--smaller employment growth reflects reduced

demands. Over all, the rate of increase in employment is

still pushing up against available supply, and the over-all

unemployment rate will show little change for October, with

unemployment of adult males continuing at low frictional

levels.

Many of us have been trying to read back from the

financial figures to the performance of the real economy

to demonstrate weakening. It may well be that the recent

abatement of pressures on banks and in financial markets

does reflect some softening in demands for goods and services,

not just financial supply limitations as lenders ration credit

more severely. While I would caution that the ratio of

financing to spending can be a volatile measure in the short

run, the recent moderation in business loans undoubtedly has

its counterpart in some reduction in business inventory

demand. This is not implausible after the very fast inventory

run-up in the second quarter and the continued large accumula

tion in the July-August period; inventory-sales ratios rose

in this period and some cutback in forward buying is not

unexpected.

Preliminary figures for manufacturing inventories, to

be released today, do indicate a decline in the rate of

accumulation in September. But a large share of the decline

was in the auto industry, which had also accounted for a

large share of the July-August inventory build-up. Stock

piling in machinery and defense equipment industries has

continued strong and rising throughout, and with the

substantial revision in the September figure for new defense

orders--it now shows an incredible 50 per cent rise from

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August to September, compared with what we thought was a

very large 26 per cent increase as originally reported--we

are likely to see a surge in materials buying and work-in

process in these industries shortly. This could well show

up in the business loan figures shortly, too. At this

stage of the game, I'm prone to regard recent financial

figures as useful but still somewhat tenuous and definitely

reversible indicators of the broader economic scene.

Let me now turn to areas where the economic readings,

while far from certain, are somewhat less ambiguous. First,

retail sales figures have not been strong recently, with

preliminary numbers showing a slight decline in sales in

September and early October. As best we can penetrate the

murky areas of seasonally adjusting auto sales at this time

of year, it doesn't appear that the new models have gotten

off to a sensational start. Since the strong rebound in

consumption expenditures in the summer months resulted in

a sharp drop in the savings rate to well below the rate of

recent years, it would not be implausible to expect

consumers now to be readjusting their spending down to

more normal relationships with income.

Second, the situation in housing, which I need not

belabor for this Committee, gives every sign of becoming

a bit worse before it becomes any better. Close to $6

billion of housing expenditures will have been cut from

GNP between the first and fourth quarter of this year, and

while we may be near a bottoming-out, as some analysts

suggest, there is no evidence in the building permits

figures or in the credit flow figures to warrant expecta

tions of any resurgence soon.

Third, it is becoming increasingly evident that the

expansion in business capital outlays is going to slow

down next year. The Edie survey of a month ago pointed in

this direction, and preliminary--and still very

confidential--information from a partial tabulation of

McGraw-Hill survey results confirm the likelihood of a

slowdown. The final survey results are now expected to

show an increase, year over year, of from 5 to 8 per cent,

compared with the obviously unsustainable 17 per cent

rise this year. And while the McGraw-Hill survey has

generally understated the rise in periods of expansion,

this year the 5 to 8 per cent forecast might be an over

statement because the survey coverage is weak in

commercial construction, an area hard hit by monetary

restraint. Interpolating a plausible quarterly pattern

for this annual increase, one might conclude that the

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pace of spending will continue to rise rapidly through

early 1967, begin to level off by midyear, and turn down

before year-end.

Fourth, since midyear the prices of a number of

sensitive or basic industrial materials have declined

sharply and the rate of increase in other industrial

commodities has slowed by half. The over-all index of

industrial commodities was nearly stable from midyear

through September, and only a moderate rise is likely to

be recorded for October. Both the over-all wholesale

price index and the consumer price index have benefited

recently from the decline in food prices.

What this all should mean for policy depends much on

one's notion of the lag in the effects of monetary policy,

and the efficacy of policy in restraining induced and

lagged cost-push. It would seem likely that, for at least

a few quarters ahead, business spending for capital equip

ment will continue to rise rapidly and their needs for

external financing to remain strong. An easing in monetary

policy at this point, therefore, might not be translated

substantially into an improvement in housing activity; in

fact, it might serve to rekindle fairly promptly spending

plans for shopping centers, office buildings, and other

areas of nonresidential construction which have been

temporarily deferred because of financing shortages, as

well as for additional plant capacity. Or easing in

financial conditions might encourage inventory

accumulation just when stock-sales ratios are beginning

to mount.

As for price trends, wage costs are rising and are

likely to maintain and possibly boost pressures on many

industrial prices in the months ahead. So long as an

exuberant pace of expansion persists, employers will

undoubtedly attempt to pass through these higher costs.

An easing of monetary policy, without concomitant tax

action, might encourage such cost pass-throughs.

Of course, arguments against premature easing have

been made at every cyclical peak, and have often left the

System in the position of accepting the blame for the

subsequent turndown. There is a lag in policy effects,

and we can't be oblivious to the long-run necessity of

anticipating cyclical swings, as well as to the short-run

dangers of acting too soon. But with the future course of

defense spending and the likelihood of additional fiscal

restraint still unresolved, and with the ambiguities noted

in the production, inventory, employment, and credit figures,

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the evidence isn't clear enough to me to warrant

recommending an aggressive move toward monetary ease

now, even if even-keel considerations weren't present.

However, there is enough evidence in the domestic

economy, I submit, to justify shading policy in an

easing direction.

Mr. Koch made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

Monetary policy must always be based mainly on

developments in the real economy, including those in our

relations with the rest of the world. But there is a lot

to learn today for monetary policy from the financial

indicators as they have been developing. It is hard for

me to reconcile the recent striking weakening in the

financial data with an estimated annual rate of rise of

GNP in the third quarter of 7.5 per cent in current dollars

and 4.5 per cent in real terms, and with our current pro

jection of substantial further expansion in the fourth

quarter. More weakness may be developing in the real

economy than meets the eye, and the current financial

numbers may be leading indicators of such weakness.

Look first at the recent course of bank credit as

reflected in the credit proxy. Declines have occurred in

each of the past 3 months, and a further drop is projected

for November. Earlier, the most dynamic component of bank

credit was business loans, but growth in bank lending to

business slackened markedly in August and September. Growth

in October continued to be slow, especially in view of large

cash needs stemming from the accelerated tax payments during

the month.

The developing weakness in over-all bank credit is

dramatically reflected in the persistent downward revisions

in our weekly projections of the change in the credit proxy.

These have been marked down in every one of the past 10

weeks. Our first estimate for September was +4.7 per cent,

annual rate. It finally turned out to be -0.5 per cent

after five successive weekly reductions. Our first estimate

of the likely October rate of expansion was +5.6 per cent.

Our latest figure is -2.9 per cent after another five

successive reductions. Perhaps we will be more accurate in

our first estimate of a further annual rate of decline on

the order of 2 per cent for November. Inclusion in these

bank credit proxy numbers of funds obtained from branches

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abroad would raise them, but not materially over the last

2 months.

Disintermediation is part of the explanation for the

recent weakness in bank credit. Some of the credit that

previously had been obtained from banks has more recently

been obtained from the money and capital markets. With

bank credit growing less, more borrowers have been forced

to go to the market for funds. In the process, pressures

have developed from the marked structural changes in credit

flows that were involved. Higher interest rates forced

some borrowers out of the market. Lack of access to credit

pushed out others, such as home buyers and small and medium

size businesses. Moreover, the higher cost and restricted

availability of borrowed funds forced more spending to be

self-financed and some spending to be curtailed. Preliminary

flow-of-funds data for the third quarter suggest a decline

of about 20 per cent in the total amount of private credit

financing--to $60 billion from $75 billion in the second

quarter.

The cessation of growth in bank credit has been

accompanied by a similar movement in the narrowly defined

money supply. The money supply has been declining on

balance since spring. The rate of increase in money

defined to include time deposits continued fairly sub

stantial through August, but has dropped off drastically

since. A total liquid asset measure shows similar move

ments, with the tapering off of growth starting in the

second quarter.

How can one explain the weakness in the narrowly

defined money supply most recently at a time when interest

rates have been declining and incomes presumably have still

been rising fairly rapidly? Lagged responses are no doubt

a partial explanation. But perhaps incomes are not rising

as fast as the preliminary figures suggest, and perhaps

individuals and businesses, in order to maintain current

consumption and investment levels, are having to spend a

larger part of their current incomes as well as having to

draw down previously accumulated cash balances.

But interest rates have been declining since early

September. Isn't this development an indication that

monetary restraint is already less severe? Perhaps it is

to some extent, but it may also be reflecting some diminution

in the demand for credit.

In the business loan area, for example, our September

bank lending practices survey provides some slight evidence

of a moderation of loan demand. So does the slowing in the

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actual rate of business loan expansion in the last 3

months, since it has not been accompanied by a buildup

in either actual or prospective security flotations by

corporations, although it has been associated with some

rise in commercial paper financing.

Even in the municipal field it is somewhat surprising

that a 40 basis point decline in yields since August has

brought to market few issues that had been postponed

earlier. Indeed, more postponements continue to be

announced. In a changing economic situation, the course

of interest rates, like the level of net borrowed reserves,

can be a poor indicator of the degree of monetary restraint

or ease.

This review of the recent course of the financial

variables suggests to me that the time has come for a

further backing off from the restraining posture of

monetary policy. Have we really been aiming at a

cessation of growth in both bank credit and the money

supply? High incomes and the drawing down of previously

accumulated liquidity may have adequately sustained spend

ing with reduced credit growth this fall, but it is

questionable how long this situation is sustainable.

Moreover, we do not want to be caught again maintaining

a set of money market variables, including net borrowed

reserves, when the combination of the existing degree of

tightness and demand factors is leading to declines in

more basic indicators of policy such as total reserves,

nonborrowed reserves, bank credit, and the money supply.

As the next step in relaxing monetary restraint, a

drop in net borrowed reserves to a range of, say, $200 to

$300 million as a short-run operating guide for open

market operations might be in order. As for timing, such

easing might proceed as soon as Treasury financing require

ments permit, and assuming market sentiment itself does

not in the meantime precipitate too abrupt and speculative

an easing in financial conditions. It is also probably

not too soon to consider a more overt move toward less

monetary restraint than can be achieved through the open

market operations instrument.

Mr. Hickman referred to Mr. Koch's statement that total

private credit financing appeared to have declined substantially in

the third quarter and asked how much of the decline occurred in the

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flow of bank credit relative to flows through other channels.

In

particular, was there evidence of slackening in the flows of savings

through nonbank financial intermediaries?

Mr. Koch replied that the slackening was sharper in bank

credit than in other flows taken together;

in the third quarter

banks accounted for less than 15 per cent of total private credit

flows, as compared with almost 40 per cent in the second quarter.

Flows through other intermediaries had slackened earlier, and

remained small in the third quarter.

Mr. Reynolds then presented the following statement on the

balance of payments:

Recent newspaper stories about the U.S. balance of

payments have been rather cheerful. The news that the

liquidity deficit was surprisingly small in the third

quarter, and that the official settlements balance was

in substantial surplus, has leaked out piecemeal.

Hence,

it has been written up repeatedly, and will, of course,

be written up again when the figures are officially

announced in mid-November.

Other news has also tended to allay anxiety. Observers

have been pleasantly surprised by the recent weakness of

the French franc, and they have been grimly reassured by

rising unemployment in Britain, although most of them

recognize that the real test of the sterling parity still

lies ahead.

It is always useful to be reminded that payments

positions can change. But on the question whether the

U.S. payments position has recently changed for the better

in any fundamental sense, the answer still seems pretty

clearly to be "no." Most of the recent sense of relief

stems from official window-dressing transactions, from

liquid inflows that are bound to prove temporary, and

from the fact that the situation has not worsened in

other respects as much as was earlier feared.

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The deficit on the liquidity basis was at an annual

rate of less than $1 billion in the third quarter and

about $1-1/4 billion in the first 9 months; the latter

figure is unchanged from last year's level.

If it had

not been for debt prepayments and shifts of foreign

official funds from liquid to nominally nonliquid assetsshifts which I am inclined to regard as window-dressing--the

liquidity deficit would have been at a rate close to $2

billion in the third quarter and a little more than that

for the 9 months. Partial data for October indicate that

the liquidity deficit has continued in roughly the $2

billion range.

The official settlements balance was in very substantial

surplus in the third quarter, and for the first 9 months

there was also a surplus, at an annual rate of roughly $3/4

billion. However, a main source of this surplus was the

massive inflow of foreign liquid funds through the foreign

branches of U.S. banks. Discussion at the last meeting of

this Committee made clear that these funds are fairly hot

money, likely to flow out again when interest differentials

and confidence factors change. Even if the funds do not

flow out again soon, they seem certain to stop flowing in

at anything like the recent rate, and that change alone

will suffice to throw the official settlements balance back

into deficit.

If the inflow of funds from banks and branches abroad

had been of more normal proportions--say at the average

rate of the past few years--there would have been an

official settlements deficit at about a $1 billion annual

rate during the first 9 months of this year, little changed

from last year, instead of the actual surplus.

In

October, liquid inflows from foreign branches continued

on a reduced but still fairly large scale ($200 million

in the latest 4 weeks), and the official settlements

balance appears to have been very roughly zero; so again,

without abnormally large liquid inflows there would

probably have been a deficit at a rate of $1 billion or

more.

As the liquid inflows slacken or reverse in the

months ahead, the outlook is for a sizable deficit on

official reserve transactions, and hence for renewed

reserve losses, probably including gold drains, unless

something else gets better.

The something else that could get better might be

either capital flows (other than those special flows I

It would

have already mentioned) or merchandise trade.

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probably be a mistake to count on any improvement in

ordinary capital transactions over the months ahead.

It seems more likely that having brought the outflow

of U.S. private capital down to its lowest level since

1959, we should now brace ourselves for the possibility

of some renewed rise in outflows.

The expansion plans of major U.S. corporations for

next year seem likely to require an increased outflow

of direct investment capital, as well as continued

borrowing abroad. Government programs will seek to

limit that increase, but they probably cannot entirely

prevent it.

U.S. commercial banks are not likely to go on

reducing their foreign loans indefinitely. Even during

the recent period of extremely tight credit, the reduc

tions have not been very large. Of the unadjusted

reduction of $550 million in bank-reported claims on

foreigners during the first 9 months of this year, more

than half was seasonal, leaving the adjusted reflow at

about $250 million.

If I am correct in believing that the outlook for

ordinary capital flows is for no further improvement, and

perhaps for some deterioration, even if domestic monetary

conditions stay pretty tight, then improvement in the

over-all payments situation will require improvement in

the merchandise trade account. So far, the trade account

has continued to deteriorate. There was an encouraging

4 per cent increase in exports from the second quarter

to the third. But merchandise imports jumped even more

sharply, by nearly 7 per cent. Hence the trade surplus

shrank further, to an annual rate of less than $3 billion.

For the first 9 months, the rate of trade surplus now

stands at $3.6 billion, compared with last year's $4.8

billion.

Even if exports go on rising briskly over the next

year, as Government analysts expect, a very marked slowing

down in imports will be needed to achieve significant

improvement in the trade balance. It seems reasonable to

expect a slowdown whenever domestic demand pressures abate.

But it is very difficult to judge what the precise relation

ship between domestic demand and imports will be at that

time. The last time there was an import boom at all

comparable to the present one was in 1950-51, and world

conditions have changed so much since then that the parallel

is not a close one.

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It seems to me that the still unsatisfactory state

of the balance of payments, and the present lack of

evidence of any durable improvement, point towards a

cautious approach to any easing of monetary restraint at

this time. I think it would be unfortunate if we should

experience a significant increase in net capital outflows

before we can point to any improvement on the trade side.

Chairman Martin then called for the go-around of

comments and views on economic conditions and monetary policy,

beginning with Mr. Hayes, who made the following statement:

The expansion of total demand in the economy is now

less hectic than it was in the spring of 1966, but it

still appears to be proceeding at a rate in excess of the

economy's capacity. Defense expenditures are now the main

force behind the economic upswing, and the uncertainties

inherent in the Vietnam situation quite naturally becloud

the economic outlook. However, it looks as if defense

expenditures would continue to increase substantially

over the next year, though perhaps at a less feverish

pace than in the third quarter. Along with the speedup

of defense outlays, the soft spots in the civilian economy

have undoubtedly become more pronounced and new signs of a

possible easing of demand pressures have appeared, including

some evidence that inventory accumulation has reached a

point where some inventories are beginning to look excessive.

In my judgment, however, it would be a mistake to equate the

prospect of a modest slowing in the business expansion with

a likelihood of actual business recession in the foreseeable

future.

The stability of wholesale prices since July is a

reflection of the moderation of the growth of demand,

together with the rapid expansion of industrial capacity.

On the other hand, this year's advance in consumer prices

is quite disturbing, especially because of the effects on

future wage negotiations. With a rate of 5 per cent

apparently having been established as a pattern for wage

increases in coming negotiations, and with cost-of-living

escalator clauses becoming more common, we face a major

threat of a cost-price spiral, with all that that implies

both domestically and internationally.

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The basic balance of payments position remains

precarious. While the liquidity deficit this year may be

close to the $1.3 billion of 1965, special transactions of

various sorts are again of great importance in holding down

the total.

The official settlements deficit will doubtless

be much smaller, but only because extremely tight credit

conditions in this country since mid-year have caused such

a rapid increase in foreign private dollar holdings,

especially balances acquired by American banks from their

foreign branches. Whatever recovery in the current account

might be expected from a slackening in the hectic pace of

imports may be nullified if our competitive position is

sufficiently damaged by the expected cost-price pressures;

and we are clearly vulnerable on capital account. Easier

domestic credit conditions could well bring a reversal of

holdings of private dollar balances; and in any event we

probably cannot continue to look to this area as a major

means of financing our deficit. Under the circumstances,

I believe that a concerted effort should be under way to

attack the balance of payments deficit next year from a

The emphasis should probably be on

number of angles.

direct investments and Government expenditures, but the

banks should be expected to continue to play their part,

and some modest reduction in their ceilings might be

incorporated, if an effective over-all payments program

can be worked out.

There is no doubt that significant monetary restraint

is now being felt in all financial markets, despite the

great improvement in atmosphere since the nearly panicky

It is gratifying to note that

conditions of late August.

total bank credit increased over the first nine months of

1966 at a rate of only 6.5 per cent, thanks to a sharp

slowdown to about 3 per cent in the third quarter. Also,

the growth rate of business loans has declined recently

and the New York banks have noted a definite easing off

in business loan requests. They are uncertain, however,

to what extent loan demand is really declining and to

what extent the banks' negative attitude is discouraging

business borrowers from making as frequent loan requests

I think it is too early to say

as in the recent past.

that the banks have definitely brought business loans

under close control; but it is unequivocally clear that

business loans have shared importantly in the last few

months' reduction in the rate of loan extensions.

After

many weeks of severe run-offs in CD's at the New York

banks (over half of the total national run-off), the pace

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slowed materially last week. The CD has recently been

a competitive market instrument only in relatively short

maturities, but there are signs that this competitive

maturity range is widening. It is encouraging to note

that savings institutions generally reported a rather

substantial inflow of funds in August and September,

and October indications are encouraging.

No doubt some of the slackening in bank credit growth

is being replaced by other credit flows. However, very

rough estimates indicate that the growth rate of total

credit outstanding may also have declined in the third

quarter, although by less than the bank credit growth

rate. A slower rate of expansion is also being registered

by all the major indicators of liquidity of the nonbank

public.

Since we are in the midst of a Treasury financing,

even-keel considerations preclude a change of credit policy

at this time. In any case, I agree with the Chairman's

comment at the last meeting that monetary policy has done

about all it can be expected to do for the present. In

view of the much slower expansion recently of most monetary

variables, I would hope that the less strained tone in the

money market might be preserved and that doubts might be

resolved on the side of ease rather than tightness. At

the same time it would seem premature to ease sharply,

in view of the continuing possibility of a resurgence of

credit demands. In trying to maintain money market

conditions about where they are, the Manager will need

ample leeway to exercise his judgment, but he may find

the Federal funds rate and CD developments the most useful

guides to market tone. If I had to pick a range for net

borrowed reserves, I would like to see it centered around

$400 million. I might add that, in my judgment, there is

still a very real need for a tax increase to offset the

continuing inflationary stimulus provided by rising defense

outlays.

Obviously it would be inappropriate to change the

discount rate under present conditions. Moreover, in view

of the cumulative evidence of a substantially slower growth

of both total bank credit and business loans, I should think

the System would do well to soft-pedal our earlier emphasis

on the need for curtailing the expansion of business lending.

As for the directive, I would agree with the staff that

it should be revised materially. While I recognize all the

problems involved in rewriting the directive around the table,

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I feel a slightly different version would be more

satisfactory.1/

First, the first sentence of the first

paragraph ought to recognize the importance of rising

defense expenditures in over-all economic activity.

The sentence might then read ". . .over-all domestic

economic activity is continuing to expand, with rising

defense expenditures offsetting moderating tendencies

in some sectors of the private economy."

Second, I

think we ought to have a simple and general sentence

on the balance of payments, such as "The balance of

payments remains a serious problem."

Third, in order

to have some reference to the possibility of furthur

fiscal policy changes I would prefer the phrase on

fiscal policy to say "in the light of recent and

possible future fiscal policy measures."

Finally, it

seems to me that the proviso clause should not be

related to current expectations in view of the staff

estimates of further declines of bank credit in

November. In my view, System policy has been aiming

on balance for a moderate growth of bank credit and

should continue to do so.

I myself would think a bank

credit growth rate of 4 to 6 per cent might be appro

priate, and I would not be particularly disturbed if

the growth rate was temporarily a bit higher, especially

in view of the declines over the last three months.

With this in mind, I would suggest that the proviso

clause read "provided, however, that operations shall be

modified--in so far as the Treasury financing permits--in

the light of bank credit developments during the month."

The intent of this rather general statement would be amply

spelled out in the record of this meeting.

Mr. Ellis commented that because expectations affect at

titudes, which in turn affect events, perhaps it was as important

to report shifting expectations as it was to report changes in

performance.

For example, the 90 manufacturers covered in the

Boston Reserve Bank's quarterly sales survey reported that

1/ The complete text of the directive proposed by Mr. Hayes is

appended to these minutes as Attachment B.

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third-quarter sales exceeded previous-quarter levels by 3.7 per

cent when the rise expected had been only 0.9 per cent.

They

currently anticipated a 5.6 per cent decline for the fourth

quarter, a type of projection he had learned to discount substan

tially.

It had to be reckoned with, however, in appraising their

capital expenditure forecasts for 1967 which now--in final

tabulation--called for a year-to-year expansion of only 3.5 per

cent.

The year-ago survey called for an 18 per cent expansion,

which had now been converted into a 33 per cent actual gain.

Expectations were in flux also with respect to interest

rates on savings in Massachusetts, Mr. Ellis said.

During

September, only three of the 80 regularly reporting mutual savings

banks were paying as high as 5 per cent on special notice accounts.

During October, three Boston commercial banks lowered to $1,000

the minimum account balance on which they would pay 5 per cent,

and they were heavily advertising the change in the Boston press.

October data on savings flows through the mutuals were too frag

mentary to be conclusive, but there had been some official note

taken of the fact that only eight of the 179 Massachusetts mutual

savings banks were members of Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

and subject to its rate ceilings.

The other 171, with almost 80

per cent of the deposits, looked to the Massachusetts Banking

Commissioner for rate guidance.

There was some concern that he

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(the Commissioner) might grant a ceiling of 5-1/4 per cent to

allow the State-controlled mutuals to be competitive with the

savings and loan associations' ceiling, set by the Federal Home

Loan Bank Board, of 5-1/4 per cent on special certificates.

Of

course, the FDIC member mutuals hoped such action could be

forestalled.

Meanwhile, Mr. Ellis continued, the housewives' protests

against high food costs had a possible parallel in complaints

about high mortgage rates.

The Massachusetts Consumers Council,

an official government board appointed by the Governor, had been

importuned to investigate high interest rates.

Mr. Ellis noted that one District bank had received front

page news attention last Wednesday when it announced a proposed

CD rate of 5.25 per cent on 3-9 month deposits.

As nearly as he

could establish, their easy position evaporated quickly.

It was

necessary for them to borrow from the Reserve Bank on the same

day and again over the last weekend.

Apparently the market was

not ready to back off from its 5-1/2 per cent rate on 90-day

deposits.

Mr. Ellis remarked that short-run, even-keel considerations

set the framework of monetary policy for the next three weeks.

The

decline in rates and easier market conditions of the past two weeks

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had about optimised circumstances for the Treasury in its current

financing.

Some sense of relief accompanied his recognition of the

need for a period of even keel, Mr. Ellis observed.

Three months

of no growth in total bank credit and the money supply required

some appraisal as to cause.

As usual, causes seemed to be

multiple--tightened monetary policy and lessened bank liquidity

had to be named.

But increasingly he had come to sense that

some lessened intensity of demand for credit was a cause also.

Were it not for the pervasive effect of accelerating defense

spending, the economic outlook would be substantially altered.

But Vietnam was a fact that had to be reckoned with--and that

reckoning might become more widely comprehended after the

elections on November 8.

Mr. Holmes had described the inter

pretations placed on recent financial developments by two groups

of observers, which might be labeled the "pause" and the "turn

down" groups, and he (Mr. Ellis) would place himself in the pause

group.

He expected bank credit to be stronger in November than

the staff projection indicated.

If no fiscal action on taxes

was forthcoming until some time in 1967, the evidence of impend

ing recession should be quite overwhelming before the Committee

retreated from the restraint it had been able to achieve via

monetary policy.

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the responsibility of defining a policy of "no change" meaningfully

for the Manager.

Not the least of the difficulties was the burden

the Committee placed on the staff by not specifying its goals so

that their projections might at least be premised on stated goals

of policy.

He reminded the Committee that four weeks ago the

staff projections were based on a "no change" policy involving

net borrowed reserves of $450 million.

Today the staff had

presented the Committee with projections based on net borrowed

reserves of $416 million, the average of the past four weeks.

If pressures continued to lessen, four months hence the Committee

might find itself with net borrowed reserve levels of $100 million,

which it continued to ratify as a "no change" policy.

The thrust

of his criticism, he emphasized, was toward procedure, and not

toward the objective of adopting a no-change position.

Mr. Ellis thought the staff had done the Committee a real

service in attaching notes to the suggested directive to explain

its proposed changes in language.

The first paragraph of the

draft directive represented a substantial achievement.

With

regard to the second paragraph, however, the exclusion of the

word "firm" from the description of the money market conditions

to be sought, and the introduction of the term "generally steady,"

was likely to appear in retrospect as a definite turning point in

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the direction of monetary policy.

He was inclined to fault the

staff for not providing alternative wordings of the second par

agraph that reflected the kind of clear-cut choice of policies

reflected in the remarks of Messrs. Brill and Koch this morning;

and for simply suggesting, instead, that as an easing alternative

the Committee might interpret the "generally steady conditions"

mentioned in the draft as being the somewhat easier conditions

of the last two weeks.

The proviso clause, of course, had been

devised as an escape hatch against an undesired degree of firming,

and if the Committee gave up the concept of firm money market

conditions he did not see any further need for the clause.

He

would be reluctant to see the proviso clause dropped--that might

be a step on the road carrying the Committee back to the kind of

"clause b" instruction used before December 1961--but nevertheless

he would suggest its deletion at this time in the hope that the

staff would bring forward more meaningful language at the next

meeting.

Basically, he was inclined to agree with Mr. Brill's

conclusions.

He favored no change in policy and opposed the

deletion of the concept of firm money market conditions from the

language of the directive.

Mr. Irons reported that most of the recent economic changes

in the Eleventh District had been consistent with what might have

been expected on seasonal grounds.

That was the case for employment

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and industrial production, although the latter was down slightly

more than seasonally at the moment.

Construction contract awards

continued their previous pattern of easing, and there were signs

of dampening in retail sales.

Agricultural conditions could be

described as generally good, although there were some spotty

situations.

In particular, there was considerable uncertainty

regarding probable developments for cotton, largely because of

sharp cut-backs in the Government support program.

But in terms

of general farm prices and farm cash receipts the picture was

favorable.

There were no highly significant changes in the District

financial situation, Mr. Irons said.

the latest period.

Bank loans were off during

Investments were up, largely as a result of

operations in Treasury bills, and deposits were down.

Borrowings

from the Reserve Bank did not appear to be following a normal

pattern; fewer of the smaller country banks were borrowing, and

in smaller amounts, relative to the customary situation at the

discount window.

Net purchases of Federal funds had been rather

substantial during the period and a sizable number of banks were

in and out of the funds market on a regular basis.

Mr. Irons' interpretation of the national situation was

much like the analyses that had been presented this morning.

The

economy was on a very high plateau with some evidence of stability

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in sight, and with strength showing in some sectors and dampening

tendencies in others.

The large underlying questions related to

the probable course of defense expenditures for Vietnam and the

possibility of further fiscal policy action.

Money market condi

tions had been easier in the past several weeks, with most of the

major variables actually showing declines.

In part that probably

reflected past monetary policy, but it also reflected market

reactions to a number of other factors, including the possibility

of further fiscal action, guesses as to future monetary policy,

the possibility of a real slowdown in economic activity, and a

dampening in underlying credit demands.

In his opinion, the

Committee had been meeting with some success in achieving the

restraint it had sought on expansive pressures in the economy,

but it remained to be seen how lasting that might be.

As to policy, Mr. Irons started with the presumption that

whatever decisions the Committee reached today they would be in

the framework of even keel, and that the Manager would be given

considerable leeway to be guided by the feel of the market.

Current economic trends and money market conditions seemed to

call for continuing the degree of restraint that had characterized

policy for the last few weeks.

He would not be in favor of any

action that could be termed aggressive, either toward tightening

or toward easing.

He would try to maintain generally steady

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conditions and a reasonably balanced set of market relationships.

While he did not particularly like to use numbers, he agreed

with Mr. Hayes that net borrowed reserves should be in the $400

million area.

The bill rate might be somewhere in the 5.20 - 5.40

per cent range, and the Federal funds rate around 5-1/2 per cent.

He mentioned those numbers only to indicate the broad range of

conditions he favored; the Committee could specify its objectives

simply as maintaining the degree of restraint existing in the last

three or four weeks and trying to encourage a general tone of

steadiness in money market conditions.

He preferred the way the

market had performed in recent weeks relative to the preceding

weeks, and would like to maintain about the same set of market

relationships.

He would not favor a change in the discount rate

at this time.

Mr. Irons thought the notes attached to the draft direc

tive submitted for this meeting were useful; the explanations of

the staff's thinking in preparing the draft were of value to the

Committee in its own deliberations.

As to the directive itself,

he had questioned the value of the proviso clause all along--and

he continued to have doubts about it, although he did not feel

strongly on the matter.

If the proviso was to be retained,

however, he would prefer Mr. Hayes' wording to that of the staff

draft, which referred to "current expectations" for bank credit.

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He was not certain what expectations were intended, but if they

were the staff projections for the bank credit proxy reported in

the blue book, he did not think the reference should be in the

directive.

Mr. Swan observed that the employment situation in the

Pacific Coast States improved somewhat in September.

Nonagricul

tural employment rose in all major groups except mining, and the

net advance more than offset a decline in agriculture.

The

unemployment rate dropped 0.2 per cent after rising in each of

the five preceding months; in September the rate was 4.8 per cent,

compared with the April low of 4.4 per cent.

Lumber and plywood

prices edged down in September and October, with the sharpest

reductions occurring in materials for residential construction.

In the four weeks ending October 19, total credit outstanding at

weekly reporting banks declined, with a reduction in business

loans of about the same magnitude as in the comparable period of

1965.

There continued to be very little pressure at the discount

window of the San Francisco Reserve Bank.

As to the national picture, Mr. Swan said, he would agree

with the descriptions given today of recent developments.

Of

course, the tapering off of growth rates in many areas was neither

surprising nor unwelcome, but the Committee had to recognize that

there was less pressure now not only in financial markets but

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throughout the economy.

to ease at this point.

He, too, would not favor overt action

He would relate the even keel to be

maintained during the Treasury financing to the conditions of

the last two or three weeks, rather than to the average condi

tions in the four weeks since the preceding meeting.

It seemed

to him that the easing, if one wanted to use that term, that

had occurred in money markets was quite consistent with the

proviso clause regarding bank credit developments contained

in the last directive.

He saw no reason to be concerned about

that easing, and none for starting off from some position dif

ferent from the more recent one in defining even keel.

Mr. Swan said he had found the explanatory notes attached

to the directive to be extremely helpful.

The preparation of

such notes undoubtedly would lead to more extended comments about

the directive at meetings, but on the whole that probably would

be to the good.

With respect to the draft directive itself, it seemed to

Mr. Swan that the statement in the first sentence that "economic

activity is still expanding despite evidences of slackening in

some sectors of the private economy" would be read as implying

not a slower over-all growth rate but actual deterioration, and

he did not think that was what the Committee would intend.

Mr. Hayes' proposed reference to "moderating tendencies in some

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sectors of the private economy" would help meet the problem, but

it might be best to say that ". .

. domestic economic activity

is still expanding, although growth rates are slackening in

some sectors of the private economy

and there has been substan

tial weakening in residential construction activity."

Secondly,

while he agreed that there should be some reference to the recent

fiscal policy measures, he did not believe that it should be

included in the sentence describing the Committee's general

policy; the statement of the latter was appropriate apart from

fiscal policy actions.

He would include the reference with other

statements of fact in the third sentence, which would then read,

"Bank credit expansion has slackened, earlier strains in financial

markets have abated, and certain fiscal policy measures have

recently been enacted by the Congress."

With respect to the second paragraph, Mr. Swan said, he

also had a question about the use of the term "generally steady"

in describing the desired money market conditions, although he

was not as concerned as Mr. Ellis was about the proposed deletion

of the word "firm."

He would prefer calling for operations to be

conducted with a view to "maintaining about the same conditions

in the money market as have developed in the past two weeks."

That would make clear that the Committee did not intend to relate

even keel to the four-week averages; to him it would imply net

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borrowed reserve figures in the $350-$400 million range, or

perhaps $300-$400 million, and a level of borrowings and Federal

funds rate as in the more recent weeks.

As to the proviso clause,

he agreed with those who objected to the phrase, "any apparently

significant deviations of bank credit from current expectations,"

because--as Mr. Hayes had pointed out--current expectations were

for a decline, and the Committee certainly would not want to

encourage a decline at this point.

Mr. Hayes' suggestion, to

call for modification of operations "in the light of bank credit

developments during the month" would be satisfactory if the

Committee's specific intentions were clearly understood; but it

might be best to state those intentions directly.

Accordingly,

he would suggest saying that "operations shall be modified,

insofar as Treasury financing permits, if it appears necessary

to encourage no more than a moderate increase in bank credit."

Mr. Galusha observed that the economic situation in the

Ninth District appeared to be approximately what it was at the

beginning of October and so required no extensive summarizing.

For what it was worth, however, he would point out that District

reserve city bankers had cautioned against interpreting their

recent contra-seasonal decline in loans as indicating a marked

change in loan demand.

Not surprisingly, perhaps, they saw

that decline as having been produced by an increasing shortage

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of reserves and, even more, by an essentially fortuitous bunching

of loan repayments by borrowers with nation-wide banking connec

tions.

Mr. Galusha reported that the Minneapolis Reserve Bank's

discount lending had lately been almost exclusively to country

banks, and for the traditional reasons.

A few weeks ago one

reserve city bank had borrowed for several days to finance an

unexpectedly large corporate CD run-off, but even that bank made

it quite clear that it would do everything possible to get along

without continuing Reserve Bank help.

In that connection, recent

experience indicated that both keeping the ceiling on CD rates

unchanged and the Reserve Banks' September 1 letter to member

banks had had very decided effects on bank lending; and, happily,

the Reserve Bank had not had to get involved in member bank

decision-making.

But when he thought about what had been happening,

he had to confess that his feet got a little chilly, if not actually

cold.

While the members of the business establishment of the

Ninth District with whom he had visited in the last three weeks

had expressed views as diverse as those expressed by the staff

today, there were significantly more on the pessimistic side than

was the case 60 days ago, although still a distinct minority.

Mr. Galusha noted that the forthcoming Treasury refinancing

precluded a change in open market policy now.

But he thought the

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Committee perhaps would be well-advised, in defining "even keel,"

to look only at the numbers of the past week or two and not bother

about the slightly tighter money market conditions prevailing

earlier in October, and to maintain from now until the Committee's

next meeting the money market conditions of the very recent past.

That was what he would favor.

Mr. Galusha said he did not propose to be drawn into the

controversy regarding the language of the directive but, given a

choice between the wording of the staff draft and that proposed

by Mr. Hayes, he would prefer the latter.

He assumed that the

phrase "generally steady conditions in the money market" would

be interpreted to refer to the conditions of the last week, or

possibly the last two weeks, and not to the average conditions

since the preceding meeting.

Mr. Scanlon reported that there was scattered evidence

that pressures upon productive resources of the Seventh Federal

Reserve District had relaxed somewhat.

Fewer complaints were

heard concerning shortages of materials and components.

The

rate of steel output had declined since mid-September, and prob

ably would be reduced further.

sharply.

Residential permits had fallen

New orders for some types of machinery and equipment

had leveled off at a high rate in the past several months, and

orders for construction equipment had declined.

Orders for

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furniture and household appliances had eased.

Some general

merchandisers had been disappointed by the rate of consumer

purchases, and forecasters expected auto sales to continue below

year-ago levels.

Most economic forecasts now being prepared for

managements of businesses and banks in the District visualized

a slower rate of growth in both real and dollar terms in the

period ahead.

Despite those developments, Mr. Scanlon commented, no

easing in tight labor markets had yet been noted in District

centers.

Shortages of skilled workers and "trainable" unskilled

workers persisted.

Some firms complained of reduced profit

margins resulting from poorer quality labor, higher turnover,

and increased absenteeism.

A larger share of motor vehicles

and business equipment reached the finish line requiring addi

tional work to correct imperfections--so-called "cripples."

Most manufacturers of machinery and equipment, including

railroad equipment and heavy trucks, continued to operate at

practical capacity, Mr. Scanlon said.

Producers of farm machinery

were particularly optimistic, and had maintained production in

months of normal seasonal let-down to assure adequate supplies

to meet anticipated heavy demand.

Farm machinery was expected to

remain strong because of increased acreage allotments, higher

price supports, larger farm income, and Government plans to

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encourage food exports.

Many firms continued to report capital

expenditure programs behind schedule because of shortages of

manpower and delays in construction or in delivery of equipment.

Reserve Bank inquiries revealed no instances of major firms

reducing programs already in the planning stage for 1967.

Mr. Scanlon believed that construction of single-family

homes and smaller apartments would respond fairly promptly to

increased availability of credit and labor,

Vacancy rates were

low in most Seventh District centers.

Bank reports still indicated a basically strong demand

for credit by business firms, Mr. Scanlon continued.

Some bankers

had suggested recently that business borrowing was likely to

increase more than seasonally before the end of the year.

While

the timing of the expansion in business loans since mid-year had

deviated somewhat from the expected pattern, the relative increase

was only slightly less than the very strong rise in the same

period a year ago.

A relatively large proportion of the expansion

in recent months was attributable to borrowing by manufacturers

of durables; increases in loans to trade concerns had been well

below the usual seasonal amount.

Other types of bank lending

had slowed and, after adjustment for Treasury financing, bank

investments had dropped sharply--apparently reflecting reduced

availability of funds, not reduced demand for credit.

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After reporting a very large basic deficit in mid-October,

Mr. Scanlon said, the major Chicago banks ended the month in a

somewhat improved position, having eliminated their borrowing at

the discount window.

They had continued to lose funds through

CD run-offs, and gains through issuance of smaller certificates

appeared to have ceased.

The number of country banks accommodated

at the discount window had declined since August, but some bor

rowers had appeared for the first time in many years.

Mr. Scanlon commented that it now appeared that bank

reserves, member bank credit, and money supply all declined in

October, continuing a downward drift.

That reflected, in part,

at least, the reduced ability of banks to compete effectively for

time deposits.

slowed also.

It was likely that the growth of total credit had

While the easing of interest rates probably was,

in large part, a reaction to the sharp run-up of rates in August,

it could be reflecting also the fragmentary evidence of some

easing of pressures on capacity in some sectors of the private

economy.

However, consumer prices probably would continue to

rise at their recent rapid rate, at least through the year-end.

Mr. Scanlon observed that the Treasury financing dictated

an even keel posture in the period immediately ahead.

He found

the directive language suggested by Mr. Hayes acceptable, but

he shared Mr. Swan's views on the clause concerning fiscal policy

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measures.

With regard to the second paragraph, he believed the

Committee should undertake to achieve moderate growth of total

reserves.

Mr. Clay remarked that the most striking changes that

had taken place in the economy in recent weeks had been in the

financial variables.

While there had been declines in interest

rates in most credit markets, perhaps the most notable changes

had been in the commercial banking system, including bank credit,

bank loans, and the money supply.

Understandably, that raised

questions as to the meaning of those developments for the course

of the economy and as to the appropriate monetary policy.

The over-all level of economic activity continued to

advance at a rapid pace, Mr. Clay noted, although there were

important cross-currents in the economy.

While pressure on

resources and capacity continued in the defense and business

equipment sectors and their related industries, personal consump

tion was somewhat more relaxed and residential construction was

declining.

Aggregate labor requirements were strong enough to

place pressure generally on labor markets and, despite variability,

over-all price advances remained a matter of appropriate concern.

The future pattern of economic activity was by no means

clear, Mr. Clay remarked.

In addition to the need to observe

closely all future economic developments, particular attention

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centered on future defense expenditures and business capital

outlays.

Both the McGraw-Hill report in early November and the

Commerce-SEC report in early December should help clarify the

business capital outlays picture, and it was hoped that further

indications of future defense expenditures would become available

during that period.

In view of the current economic and financial situation,

Mr. Clay continued, it was obvious that further monetary restraint

should be avoided.

Whether to reduce monetary restraint, and if

so, to what degree, was a more difficult question.

The general

state of the economy and the resource-price situation probably did

not call for an overt move toward easing of monetary policy,

although such developments warranted careful watching.

At the same

time, bank credit developments of recent weeks did not appear to

be in keeping with an appropriate prescription for the economy.

It would seem desirable for bank credit to experience some expansion.

Perhaps the preferable course for monetary policy, under the

circumstances, would be an extension of the program carried out

since the last meeting of the Committee, whereby net reserve

availability would be adjusted in accordance with bank credit

developments.

Thus, if bank credit showed further weakness, net

reserve availability would be increased.

The forthcoming Treasury

financing operations and the need to maintain "even keel" conditions

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also would seem to argue for the avoidance of an overt change in

monetary policy.

The draft economic policy directive was satisfactory to

Mr. Clay if it was understood that the proviso clause referred to

a somewhat stronger bank credit performance in November than that

projected in the blue book.

That interpretation was in accordance

with the last paragraph of the staff notes accompanying the policy

directive draft.

Mr. Wayne said that the mixed air of pessimism evident in

recent Fifth District surveys appeared to have eased slightly,

although textile and durable goods manufacturers continued to

report weakness.

One textileman indicated a substantial cutback

in machine use and work force while a number of others reported

reductions from a six- to a five-day week in the face of declining

orders and backlogs.

Other nondurable goods manufacturers, however,

noted increased orders, employment, and prices.

Insured unemploy

ment rates had declined further and were now at record lows in all

but one Fifth District State.

Retailers had expressed some concern

about the availability of help for the Christmas rush.

The latest data on the national economy seemed to Mr. Wayne

to accentuate what he took to be a growing feeling of uncertainty

in the business community.

The leading indicators had been growing

more bearish for some time and the new business intelligence of the

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past six weeks lent some support to that trend.

To date, the large

surge in private credit demands generally expected some weeks ago

had not materialized.

Defense spending now seemed to have assumed

added importance as a mainstay of the business advance.

The

private sector appeared to be either experiencing or about to

experience some kind of readjustment to a change in the composition

of aggregate demand in favor of Government spending.

That might

account for the rather sluggish behavior of the business measures in

the latest period.

In any event, with defense outlays continuing to

rise, and with higher labor costs a possibility because of larger

wage increases, it was premature to interpret the latest data as

suggesting the imminence of a turnaround, even though inflationary

pressures had moderated somewhat for the present.

Mr. Wayne commented that in the policy area the Committee

seemed to be getting the kinds of results it had been saying were

necessary.

It might be that the squeeze on CD's had reduced the

aggressive bidding for short-term funds, or that the demand for

loans had not been as strong as expected.

Perhaps, also, as

Mr. Galusha had suggested, the banks were putting real effort into

the rationing of credit.

But, judged by results produced, the

present mix of tools and techniques appeared to be effective.

In any

event, it seemed to him that the Committee's present posture was

about right for existing circumstances and in view of the present

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operations of the Treasury.

Mr. Brill's caution lest the Committee

over-stay its posture of restraint was appropriate and timely.

However, until sufficient reason for a change was evident, the

Committee should be especially careful not to give any false signals

which might occasion a disturbing turnaround of expectation patterns.

Mr. Wayne said that Mr. Holmes' review this morning was

especially lucid and helpful.

His comments concerning the growing

usefulness of the credit proxy and required reserves as guides to

the Manager were encouraging and should stimulate the Committee's

continuing search for more satisfactory measures of policy action.

Mr. Wayne would concur in Mr. Holmes' suggested interpretation of

the proviso clause of the draft directive.

With that understanding,

he (Mr. Wayne) would approve the first paragraph of the draft

directive submitted by the staff.

The changes Mr. Hayes had proposed

in the second paragraph had merit, and Mr. Hayes' version of that

paragraph appeared preferable.

Mr. Wayne concluded by saying that he preferred to give the

Manager a high degree of discretion, and that was reflected in the

proviso clause.

The discussion this morning emphasized the difficulty

of writing a directive by the Committee as a whole.

The staff had

done a good job in its work on the directive, and their explanatory

comments were helpful and should be continued.

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situation in the staff comments certainly put the problem before

the Committee into focus.

Evidence had been presented of apparent

easing in some sectors and of downturns in some economic indicators.

The rise in defense expenditures and the uncertainties about the

course of developments in Vietnam also had been stressed.

One point,

however, that he thought had been given insufficient attention was

that some clarification of the Vietnam situation might reasonably

be expected following the President's return from his Asian trip

Accordingly, the Committee might have

and the elections next week.

a much better idea at its next meeting of likely developments in the

uncertain, but highly significant, area of defense spending.

Both

for that reason and because of the need for an even keel in the

face of the Treasury financing, it seemed unwise to him to consider

any policy change at this time.

The Committee should not give any

potentially misleading signals of easing now, particularly because

of the uncertainties regarding Vietnam and the expectation of some

further clarification soon.

not a time for tightening.

On the other hand, this certainly was

He would maintain the recent situation

in the money market--and by that he meant the average conditions

over the whole period since the preceding meeting, not those that

had developed in the last week or so.

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Mr. Shepardson said he could accept the staff's draft

directive, but he thought the changes suggested by Mr. Hayes in the

first paragraph were desirable.

In the second paragraph he definitely

would call for "firm but orderly" rather than "generally steady"

market conditions.

He also would eliminate the proviso clause, which

had been introduced some months ago at a time when there was a great

deal more uncertainty in the market than existed now.

Mr. Mitchell commented that as he listened to the discussion

today he became more troubled than he usually was about the role of

monetary policy.

It seemed to him that three different issues had

been run together in the discussion thus far:

what monetary policy

could do; what monetary policy had already done, including the

effects to come that were now in the pipeline; and what it could not

do.

The most basic single thing that had been accomplished,

Mr. Mitchell continued, was to immobilize holders of existing assets

and outstanding debt.

That was most evident in the case of home

owners, but it also was evident in the case of holders of other types

of assets--particularly municipal securities, which now could be

liquidated only at large losses.

In his judgment that had been the

great contribution of monetary policy over the past few months, and

it had done much to bring about the improved climate existing today.

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The Committee's second major accomplishment, Mr. Mitchell said,

was to postpone a fair amount of actual spending, again most

conspicuously in the area of construction.

In addition, the Committee

had chilled all efforts to secure commitments of funds for the future;

the position of all financial intermediaries had changed drastically.

And the stock market decline this year, which reflected the classical

Keynesian reaction to tighter monetary policy, had had a salutory effect

on expectations even with the recent recovery.

As everyone knew,

monetary policy had lagged effects, and there were more consequences

to come from earlier actions.

As to what monetary policy could or should not do, Mr. Mitchell

continued, he did not think it could roll back wages.

It could produce

a climate in which business resistance to wage increases would reduce

the pace of the advance, but the rise in wages that had already taken

place was water over the dam and he did not think the Committee should

attempt to do anything about it.

Also, Mr. Mitchell said, the Committee should not overstay its

policy of tightness.

As he had mentioned earlier, asset holders had

been immobilized by the rapid change in interest rates; but the new

position was not one which the Committee should permit to become

hardened.

He did not think the new level of rates was compatible with

continued expansion of the economy, and in his judgment the Committee

should start pulling away from that rate level as soon as it felt it

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had accomplished its objectives.

It was important to remember that

monetary policy was a flexible tool, and that if a policy of restraint

was maintained too long it would do more harm than good.

On the whole, Mr. Mitchell observed, he did not think he

differed substantially from those who had already spoken with respect

to the appropriate policy course now.

He did disagree, however, with

much of the reasoning that had been advanced in support of that course.

Turning to the directive, Mr. Mitchell said he would contribute

only two points to the discussion of the first paragraph.

Mr. Swan

had criticized the opening sentence of the staff's draft as mistakenly

implying declines elsewhere than in construction.

tion would be consistent with the facts.

But such an implica

Secondly, he would not refer

to "possible future fiscal policy measures" as Mr. Hayes proposed, on

the grounds that it was not appropriate to try to predict what Congress

and the Administration would do.

Otherwise, he had no objection to

Mr. Hayes' version of the first paragraph.

As to the second paragraph, Mr. Mitchell said, along with

others he did not like the proviso clause in the staff's draft.

Mr. Ellis had suggested the easy solution of deleting the clause entirely,

and he (Mr. Mitchell) would rather do that than accept Mr. Hayes'

version.

The latter, he thought, involved the not unusual problem of

inconsistent instructions, since net borrowed reserves around $350 or

$400 million were not likely to be consistent with an increase in bank

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credit in November.

As he read the staff reports, to achieve an

increase in bank credit it would be necessary to have much shallower

net borrowed reserves.

What was needed was a little more ease,

insofar as that was consistent with the Treasury financing, and he

would suggest a clause calling for operations to be modified "to

resist any falling off in the projected rate of money supply growth."

He proposed referring to the money supply because the credit proxy

did not strike him as a good measure to use as a standard, although

possibly it could be improved.

Using the money supply would suggest

about the same objectives and would be understood better by the

public.

Mr. Daane said he found himself very much in agreement today

with Mr. Hayes.

He thought monetary policy had been doing what it

could and should be doing, and that the Committee was achieving just

about the results it had intended--notwithstanding the protestations

to the contrary that he had heard last week at the meeting of the

American Bankers Association.

In response to Mr. Mitchell's useful

caveat about the need for flexibility in policy and for not holding

rigidly to any level of interest rates, he would submit that the

decline in yields since the end of August indicated that the

Committee's posture was not overly rigid.

Although no one at the

table was privy to any special information on the future course of

defense spending, it had been rising rapidly; his own intuition was

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that it was rising much faster than publicly recognized or admitted

and perhaps even faster than Mr. Brill had intimated.

Mr. Daane went on to say that like Mr. Hayes and Mr. Reynolds

he was concerned about the U.S. balance of payments situation.

He

did not think the Committee could take much comfort from the recent

figures on the official settlements basis of calculation.

However,

since the Administration was continuing to work on the problem with

a view to continuing and perhaps strengthening its over-all program

in the area, he thought it would be inappropriate for the Committee

to make an overt shift in policy now.

He agreed with Mr. Hayes that

the time had come to reappraise the problem in a more fundamental

way, and he hoped that a System effort to do just that could be

mounted.

Despite erroneous press reports of his position, he also

agreed with what Mr. Hayes had said today and what Chairman Martin

was reported in the press to have said in Boston yesterday, that

there continued to be a need for the tax increase that would have

been most appropriately made earlier this year.

He was still enough

of a Keynesian to believe that the U.S. should finance the Vietnam

war on a pay-as-you-go basis, so that it could be carried on to the

extent possible without inflation.

The Committee's policy decision today, Mr. Daane continued,

could only be to call for an even keel.

Within that framework,

however, and in an attempt to respond to the Manager's request for

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guidance, he would refer Mr. Holmes to the opening statement of his

own written report, which read, "System open market operations in

the period since the last meeting of the Committee sought to maintain

generally firm and steady conditions in the money market, though

with some leaning on the side of less firmness as bank credit

continued to show signs of weakness."

He hoped that, within the

framework of even keel, the Manager would continue to interpret

the directive in exactly the manner implied by that statement .

Mr. Daane said he would not simply accept but would strongly

endorse Mr. Hayes' suggestions for the directive, except that he

would retain the word "vigorously" in the statement of the first

sentence regarding the expansion in domestic economic activity,

Certainly there was nothing in the GNP projections contained in

the green book 1/ to indicate that the economy was going into a

decline.

Also, he disliked the language proposed by Mr. Hayes in

which rising defense expenditures were said to be "offsetting"

moderating tendencies elsewhere.

Accordingly, he would prefer

language in the first sentence reading ". . . over-all domestic

economic activity is continuing to expand vigorously, with sharply

rising defense expenditures and some evidence of moderating

tendencies in some sectors of the private economy."

For the

1/ The report, "Current Economic and Financial Conditions,"

prepared for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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second paragraph, he would prefer Mr. Hayes' version, to be

interpreted in line with the statement he had cited from Mr. Holmes'

report.

Mr. Maisel remarked that, as had been made clear, the present

was a period of great uncertainty with respect to the actual economic

outlook.

That was all the more reason for the Committee to pay

particular attention to the specific monetary variables for which it

was responsible.

When one looked at reserves--the item which the Committee

primarily influenced--one noted a lack of normal growth, Mr. Maisel

continued.

Depending upon which monetary variables were examined,

current levels were as low or lower than the levels reached in the

first quarter of the year.

It was proper to have restrained growth

in reserves during the second and part of the third quarter in order

to correct for their great acceleration in the first quarter.

However,

the period of stagnation for those variables should not continue.

He particularly felt that the Committee should not at this point

attempt to hold up interest rates if demand fell.

The attempt to

hold up rates seemed to him the thrust of several suggestions which

indicated that the Committee had to restrict growth in reserves or

even continue to have them decline rather than have interest rates fall

back to their early summer levels.

Given its lagged effects, policy

should attempt to bring about a normal growth in total reserves and

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non-borrowed reserves.

That meant that a further fall in required

reserves and the bank credit proxy for this month would not be useful.

Mr. Maisel hoped that the Manager would interpret "generally

steady conditions" to refer to somewhat easier conditions than had

developed.

He was disappointed that the proviso clause had not had

more influence on action during the last period.

He felt that a fall

at an annual rate of nearly 3 per cent, compared to an expected

increase of 5 per cent, in the bank credit proxy was a significant

deviation from expectations.

He did not feel that the action taken

was sufficient in the light of that deviation.

He recognized that

there were two weeks with somewhat lower net borrowed reserves.

Still, if one looked at most of the monetary variables, the action

of the latest three weeks for which there were data could be

considered about as restrictive as that in the corresponding three

week period before the last meeting.

Net borrowed reserves were

about the same, and total reserves and the credit proxy declined.

The major exception to that generalization was that interest

rates receded part way from their abnormal height, Mr. Maisel said.

That correction from the height reached as a result of the extreme

crisis in expectations which occurred at the end of August was to

be expected.

As he had indicated before, the Committee should

guard against allowing any changes which occurred simply from a

sharp runup based on expectations to get built into the system.

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must take a larger view and consider the total monetary picture, not

simply the retreat of interest rates from their temporary levels.

It should not be satisfied with a further decline in reserves and the

credit proxy.

The Desk should take the necessary action under the

proviso of today's directive to try to start those variables back

along a normal growth path.

expand.

That meant that total reserves should

He would guess that it probably meant lower net borrowed

reserves and a continuation of the return of interest rates toward the

early August levels.

Mr. Maisel said he did not favor retaining the word

"vigorously" in the first sentence of the directive, as Mr. Daane had

suggested.

He preferred the directive proposed by Mr. Hayes to the

staff draft, but he would replace the final phrase of the proviso

clause, reading "in the light of bank credit developments during the

month," with the phrase, "in order to aid in a moderate expansion in

bank credit and reserves."

Mr. Brimmer said that he had proposed to include in his

comments today a review of some implications of the recently reduced

liquidity of life insurance companies.

In the interest of time,

however, he would make only summary remarks on the subject and ask

that the comments he had prepared be included in the record.

summarized the following statement:

He then

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The tendency for gross cash flows at life

insurance companies to fall short of company

projections has created a serious liquidity squeeze

on some individual companies because of the very

large share of projected cash flows (well in excess

of 90 per cent) which had already been allocated

through advance loan commitments. The short-fall

in basic cash flows has reflected a combination of

(1) lower than estimated pre-payments on mortgages,

(2) higher than estimated policy loans, and (3)

larger than expected withdrawals of policy proceeds

left on deposit with the company. Some insurance

companies have been hit much harder by the policy

loan increase than others--with the increase in

several extreme cases pre-empting all or virtually

all of the basic cash flow.

To meet loan commitments in the face of this

unexpected squeeze on their basic cash flows, some

companies have had to reduce their cash balances,

and/or liquidate security holdings and draw on bank

credit lines. Initially, as evidence of the

liquidity squeeze developed, life companies stretched

out the ultimate payment dates on a large part of

their loan commitments. But more recently, with the

policy loan problem continuing, some companies have

ceased making any new loan commitments altogether.

Moreover, in the absence of a basic general easing

of credit conditions, there is no obvious reason to

expect these pressures on insurance companies to

abate for some time.

The persistence of this liquidity squeeze on

life companies poses several logical questions for

the Federal Reserve:

1) Is it likely that life insurance

companies (generally assumed to be

good business customers at banks)

will pre-empt a significantly larger

share of bank credit, either by

drawing on their own credit lines, or

by deferring the allocation of long

term funds to mortgage companies, thereby

necessitating an extension of construc

tion lending by banks or leading to an

increase of mortgage warehousing?

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2)

Is it likely that security liquidations

by life companies seeking to obtain

funds will be large enough to create

instability in bond markets?

3) Is it possible that any particular

companies, under pressure from policy

loan increases, will run through all

of their own sources of liquidity and

have to renege on their advance loan

commitments, or be bailed out by

special loan arrangements?

The Life Insurance Association has not indicated

whether any particular companies are about to run through

all of their liquidity reserves. But it seems unlikely

that the industry in general is facing any such problem.

Moreover, with long-term interest rates declining

recently, the capacity of bond markets to absorb some

portfolio liquidation has been improved.

In these circumstances, it seems to me that it is up

to the life insurance industry to demonstrate more fully

a need for special liquidity assistance, if there is one.

Without better evidence on the state of individual

companies, it is difficult to decide whether any special

use of Federal Reserve Bank credit (either directly or

indirectly) would be justified for this purpose.

At the same time, however, it should be recognized

that life insurance commitment activity has been sub

stantially curtailed, so that credit from this source is

much less readily available. Here, too, if the problem

were presently acute, corporate bond yields would

probably not be declining. But any build-up in the

corporate calendar would clearly be more difficult to

accommodate in the absence of active life company partici

pation. Also, it seems likely that the volume of life

insurance credit available for commercial and multi

family residential construction will be substantially

reduced in 1967, relative to the supply available at the

start of 1966. Finally, it seems very possible that life

insurance company demands for accommodation at banks

will increase. All of these elements in the total credit

picture, therefore, need to be kept in mind while setting

reserve policy for banks--although at this point it is

difficult to quantify their precise significance.

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Mr. Brimmer then said that he would report briefly on the

progress being made by the Cabinet committee on the balance of pay

ments in formulating a program for 1967.

The discussions were still

underway and it was not possible as yet to say what recommendations

were likely to be made to the President.

It might be helpful to the

Committee to have some of the flavor of the discussions, however,

because they bore on the relation between monetary policy and the

payments balance in the coming year.

Hopefully, Mr. Brimmer continued, the program for 1967 would

be announced within the next few weeks, perhaps around the date of

the Committee's next meeting.

The program would remain a voluntary

one, and it now seemed likely that most if not all of the elements

of the 1966 program would be retained.

Specifically, there would be

elements relating to direct investment abroad and to export promotion,

under the guidance of the Secretary of Commerce.

There was some hope

that the Federal Reserve's part of the program would be continued,

but that question was still under discussion.

One point he would like to note particularly, Mr. Brimmer re

marked, was that there was a definite hope within the Cabinet committee

that a balance of payments program could be developed that would permit

greater freedom for monetary policy decisions to be made in light

of domestic considerations.

It was almost a precondition for the

current discussions that something be done with respect to capital

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flows, so that monetary policy would not have to carry so much of the

burden of restraining such flows.

He personally doubted that the

President would approve any recommended program that did not allow

greater flexibility for monetary policy to be based on the needs of

the domestic economy.

Since balance of payments considerations had been mentioned in

connection with monetary policy this morning, Mr. Brimmer observed, he

thought that point was worth keeping in mind.

It also had some

bearing on the directive to be issued today.

Thus, in the first

paragraph he would prefer to specify the international payments

objective of the Committee's policy in terms of "progress toward"

reasonable equilibrium in the balance of payments rather than "restora

tion of" such equilibrium, as both the staff draft and Mr. Hayes'

version specified.

The Cabinet committee was actively discussing the

question of the payments target for 1967.

It was generally agreed that

no quantitative goal should be announced, as had been done for the 1966

program, but the question remained of what goal would be reasonable.

One issue was whether the goal should be defined apart from the impact

of the Vietnam war, which was estimated to have increased the annual

deficit by roughly $1 billion.

Because the matter was still under

discussion, he hoped the Open Market Committee would not imply in the

directive that it had set equilibrium as the target.

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comment to the effect that the recent inflow of foreign private

liquid funds was a means of financing the deficit implied that

the liquidity basis of calculation was the appropriate one.

He

did not believe the Committee should accept either that basis

or the official settlements basis as the one proper method for

calculating the balance.

The Administration's decision had been

to calculate the balance on both bases and to reach a decision

between them only after more experience had been accumulated.

The matter had been discussed by the Cabinet committee as recently

as yesterday, and it had been left open for the time being.

But,

however the balance was calculated, he shared Mr. Reynolds' sense

of urgency about the country's international payments problem and

he hoped that efforts to deal with it would continue.

With respect to other parts of the directive, Mr. Brimmer

agreed with Mr. Maisel that economic activity should not be

In the second paragraph

described as expanding "vigorously" now.

he would prefer to call for "generally steady" rather than "firm"

money market conditions.

He shared Mr. Hayes' view that expansion

in the bank credit proxy in November at an annual rate of about

6 per cent would not be disappointing.

The series of shortfalls

in bank credit growth that had been experienced recently might

well result in the Committee's feeling rather uncomfortable; the

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fact that the growth expected had not materialized was grounds for

pause.

Mr. Hayes had implied that a 4-6 per cent growth rate in

November would be acceptable, but he (Mr. Brimmer) would prefer

to have the Committee set such a rate as an explicit goal.

Mr. Hickman remarked that developments since the Committee's

last meeting provided further evidence of moderation in the private

sector of the economy and of a continued climb in defense spending.

Major economic series showing signs of slackened growth included

production of consumer goods and materials, unfilled orders for

durables, plant and equipment spending, steel output, and nonfarm

employment.

For many months, residential construction had been the

only major economic series showing an outright decline.

In the

third quarter, however, several important series joined residential

construction on the downside:

new orders for durable goods, auto

output, and sensitive industrial materials prices.

As the Chairman

had pointed out at the last meeting, "If it were not for defense

spending, the economy might well be experiencing a little downturn

right now, and . .

. defense spending is (not) a very strong prop

for an economy."

Unfortunately, Mr. Hickman said, the evidence cumulated

that wage-cost inflation had been built into the economy, due

almost entirely, in his opinion, to the failure of the Administration

to take appropriate fiscal action earlier this year.

Evidence also

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cumulated that monetary policy alone had done about all that it

could to restrain the economy, and that a further tightening could

aggravate imbalances now present in the economy.

As he mentioned at the last meeting, Mr. Hickman continued,

in an economy in which defense spending was the prime mover it was

extremely difficult to design appropriate monetary or fiscal policy

when even the roughest estimates of defense spending were withheld

from the U.S. Treasury and this Committee.

To the extent that the

System could bring influence to bear in appropriate places, it

should press to have the Defense Department release data to it on

new orders and estimated cash flows for the next two or three

quarters.

Without such information, monetary and fiscal policy

could easily be misdirected, to the great detriment of the economy.

He might add that his board of directors at last month's meeting

underscored the importance of the Committee's having information

on the flow of defense spending for a reasonable period ahead,

and urged the System to do what it could to fill the gap in its

knowledge.

Lacking reliable information on defense spending and the

economic outlook, Mr. Hickman continued, the Committee should allow

the behavior of the credit proxy and the money supply to determine

policy; that is, it should follow rather than lead.

If the credit

proxy and the money supply failed to come up to the weak November

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projections of the staff, then the Committee should allow net

borrowed reserves to ease further, perhaps to $200 million.

An

important question, it seemed to him, was whether the Committee

should attempt to redress recent shortfalls in the money supply

and bank credit.

He was afraid that that would produce a very

easy tone in the money market, and that it might lead to a sharp

shift in expectations and perhaps to bond market speculation.

He

would, therefore, not attempt to redress recent shortfalls but

would let deviations of money and the credit proxy from the staff

projections lead policy over the next three weeks.

That policy

of "no change with qualifications" also seemed appropriate in view

of the forthcoming Treasury refinancing.

For the directive he

would favor the staff draft as submitted, with the understanding

that it would be interpreted as the Manager had suggested.

Mr. Bopp observed that the course of the war in Vietnam

seemed even more unpredictable now than just a few weeks ago--if,

indeed, that was possible--and military uncertainties were super

imposed upon question marks in inventories, capital spending, and

housing.

The future of durable goods spending also had been coming

under closer scrutiny, with the drop in housing starts raising

doubts about furniture and appliance sales in the coming year.

Financial developments during the past few weeks certainly

underlined the need for caution in determining monetary policy,

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Mr. Bopp said.

With reserves, the money supply, and credit flows

all falling significantly short of earlier projections, the

Committee might do well to aim for somewhat easier money market

conditions in the next few weeks.

Certainly that would be the

appropriate course for policy if those trends persisted.

Of course, Mr. Bopp continued, it was difficult to determine

just what proportion of the weakness in credit flows stemmed from

slackening demand, reflecting a softening in business.

No doubt

some of the downturn in money and credit flows resulted from antic

ipatory borrowing earlier in the year.

supply side.

Some also came from the

Indeed, it appeared that the squeeze in CD's--while

not so severe as some had expected--had had an important bearing

on lending policies.

In the Third District, loss of large nego

tiable CD's since the August peak ran only about half the 10 per

cent rate experienced in the nation as a whole.

Yet the loss--or

more precisely, the threat of loss--helped to condition thinking

on loan policy.

Earlier he had reported that several of the large

Philadelphia banks had set themselves the goal of holding loans

virtually stable.

They had accomplished that in large measure.

Business loans in particular had remained virtually unchanged

from early August to the present.

In view of the present uncertainties on the business front

and projected decline in bank credit, Mr. Bopp felt that the recent

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modest easing in money market conditions should be continued.

was tolerable within an over-all policy of even keel.

That

However, if

flows of money and credit proved to be substantially greater than

projected, he would recommend that the Manager restore conditions

to where they were two weeks ago.

With respect to the directive, Mr. Bopp said, he could accept

any of several alternative proposals that had been made.

He thought

Mr. Swan's suggestion to move the reference to recent fiscal policy

measures to an earlier point in the first paragraph was a partic

ularly good one.

Mr. Patterson reported that over-all gains in the Sixth

District in recent months had slowed down.

off in August and in September.

Employment had leveled

Sales of 1967 automobiles were

running well behind last year's introductory pace.

And residential

building contracts would be down between 6 and 8 per cent for the

full year on the basis of present trends.

However, Mr. Patterson said, while noting those signs of

weakness he would not want to exaggerate their importance.

ment remained low.

Unemploy

Overtime work was still increasing, and personal

income--according to the latest available data--continued to expand.

On the whole, though, the District economy was showing less steam,

and nowhere was that more apparent than in financial data.

Business

loans in the first three weeks of October expanded less than a year

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ago.

Such moderation in pace followed vigorous business loan expan

sion in September and weakness in August, so there could be little

doubt that the trend in business lending had slackened.

Other

categories of lending also showed signs of easing.

In looking back, Mr. Patterson continued, it was now quite

clear that borrowing demands of late last year and much of this year

were clearly unsustainable.

The loan expansion could not continue

indefinitely in the face of progressive System tightening.

In fact,

his conversations with bankers, as well as the high level of member

bank borrowing at the discount window and in the Federal funds

market, indicated that even now many banks still felt in a tight

position.

On the other hand, the recent movement in loans could

not be attributed entirely to deposit trends and monetary policy.

The demand for loans seemed to be weaker than banks had anticipated

several months ago.

Since many of the same observations noted for the Sixth

District could be made about the national scene, Mr. Patterson said,

it was appropriate to ask whether the time had come for edging away

from the Committee's policy of restraint.

Considering the delayed

impact that monetary policy had, some easing was, indeed, a tempting

policy description.

The Committee should also keep in mind criticisms

leveled against the System in the past for being overly concerned

with price developments when economic activity was slowing down.

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Thus, a good case could be made for a policy shift, especially since

industrial commodity prices had shown little change in the third

quarter.

Having almost convinced himself of the wisdom of such a

policy change, Mr. Patterson concluded that the time was not quite

ripe for it, aside from "even keel" considerations.

With defense

spending strongly headed upward the economy was unlikely to turn

down quickly.

Wages were rising rapidly.

still in the offing.

Fiscal restraint was

Monetary restraint was making a contribution

to the balance of payments.

And he would judge that some recent

developments, especially those in financial markets, were in part

a reaction to overly dramatic changes in the immediate past and,

therefore, only in part for "real."

Hence, in the final analysis

he believed that the Committee should wait for additional evidence

of an easing in private demands before undertaking a major policy

shift.

But if the growth in business loans over the next few weeks

was as moderate as assumed in the green book, in Mr. Patterson's

opinion the Manager could afford to be fairly liberal in providing

reserves.

And if credit demands were less intense than now antic

ipated, he might even accommodate banks to the point of permitting

some rebuilding of their investments.

By and large, though,

Mr. Patterson suspected that the Manager would need to be guided

in his day-to-day transactions mainly by money market rates.

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Mr. Patterson said he favored adopting Mr. Hayes' suggestion

with respect to the second paragraph of the directive.

Mr. Francis commented that total spending on goods and

services had continued to rise faster than the ability of the economy

to produce, and upward pressures on prices were strong.

The Govern

ment's fiscal situation continued to add to the excessive demands.

Monetary developments since last spring had been restrictive,

Mr. Francis noted.

Member bank reserves had declined moderately,

growth of bank credit had slowed markedly, and the money supply had

changed little on balance.

In view of both the excessive total

demand for goods and services and the fiscal developments, the

monetary restraint had been desirable, but care now had to be taken

to avoid becoming too restrictive.

Monetary actions frequently had

their greatest impact after some time lag.

Recently, Mr. Francis said, interest rates had declined

and ease had developed in the money market.

Those developments

might indicate some decline in the private demand for loan funds

or might be only a technical reaction to earlier anticipatory

borrowing and speculative selling because of an over-estimate of

how high rates were going to rise.

In either case the net rise

in rates since last spring had probably been a good thing, helping

to bring planned private investment in line with planned saving

less net Government demand for loan funds.

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At this time, Mr. Francis remarked, the Committee could not

be sure what rate of monetary growth was appropriate, but he believed

that steps should be taken to avoid any sustained monetary contrac

tion, as well as to avoid a renewal of the rapid monetary expansion

that occurred last winter and spring.

If demands

for credit weakened

further, interest rates should be permitted to adjust lower, to the

extent permissible during a Treasury refunding.

Otherwise, bank

reserves, bank credit, and money were apt to decline and the

restraining force of monetary actions might cause a more than desired

contraction in total spending on goods and services.

On the other

hand, if demands for credit showed renewed strength, some upward

adjustment of interest rates might be necessary to avoid an undue

rise in credit and spending, causing further inflationary pressures.

In general, Mr. Francis thought that the Manager might be

instructed during the next few weeks to take care of normal seasonal

forces, but he should be permitted substantial latitude with regard

to fluctuations in measures of money market pressures.

If sharp

changes occurred in interest rates or other money market pressures,

attempts to offset them should be kept to a minimum consistent with

the needs of the Treasury.

Large demands for funds, especially when

translated into increases in required reserves, should be permitted

to tighten the money market.

Contractions in the demands for funds

and declines in required reserves should be allowed to ease the

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market rather than be used as a signal for the System to contract

reserves, credit, and money further.

Mr. Francis said he would favor Mr. Hayes' version of the

directive.

Mr. Robertson made the following statement:

As everybody around the table has acknowledged, we

are in the midst of an "even keel" period that constrains

our ability to make any overt change in monetary policy.

Sometimes this kind of constraint can be a positive

operational advantage to the Committee, because it provides

us with a freer opportunity to look ahead and plan possible

courses of action to be agreed upon when the even keel

period is over. This, it seems to me, is one of those

fortunate times.

In the great mass of evidence coming before us, we

see more than the usual signs of softening or easing of

pressures. Yet none of this evidence is so persuasive

as to make us want to ease policy aggressively at this

I believe in flexibility in monetary policy, but

moment.

I am not much attracted to a "stop-and-go" kind of system,

full speed ahead,

operating as if we had only two gears:

and full speed reverse. In circumstances like we face

currently, I believe that kind of approach could generate

substantially more harm than good.

My preference, if easing signals continue to flash

in increasing numbers, is for a tentative but gradual and

progressive kind of let-up of monetary pressures, related

closely to the kind of market and economic effects that

seem to be resulting. This would be my prescription,

unless and until a sharp change in the picture is introduced

by way of Vietnam spending, additional fiscal action, or

a marked further alteration in private spending intentions.

Having spoken in these general terms about our over

all policy focus, let me say a few words about our operating

instructions to the Manager, both retrospectively and

prospectively. It seems to me that the proviso clause has

I was glad that the Manager

thus far worked out well.

permitted a slight easing of money market conditions in

the last half of October when it became evident that

required reserves were showing substantially less strength

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than anticipated. He apparently felt that there was a

limit to the ease he could permit in money market

interest rates, and this was quite proper given the

sense of the Committee's previous discussion and given

the stress on money market conditions in the directive.

There are times when it is desirable for the

Committee to lay greater stress on money market condi

tions than on net borrowed or free reserves as an

immediate operating target. The recent period, when

liquidity crises were threatening, was clearly such a

time; perhaps the present even keel period is another.

However, I would like to suggest that the time is

approaching when we can and should move away from

primary reliance on money market conditions as an

operating guide. The trouble with too-slavish attention

to money market conditions as a target is that our

operations then tend to circumscribe short-term interest

rate movements into too narrow a band, thereby stul

tifying market performance and depriving us of an

immediate indicator of market pressures. We do not

want to see large and erratic rate movements in the

financial system, but we should want to see enough rate

movements to provide us with a barometer of changing

market demand pressures. For rates to reflect under

lying pressures, we obviously cannot have them as a

principal target.

What we can better use as an immediate target, I

think, is our old friend, net borrowed or free

reserves--or in directive language, "net reserve

For, with all its imperfections, it has

availability."

the key advantage of cushioning market pressures while

leaving market interest rates reasonably free to index

changing private demand pressures. With CD run-offs

slowing and bank reaction to the September 1 letter

settling into a pattern, some of the influencesthat

muddied the free reserve waters for a time this fall

are calming down and this reserve target is once again

becoming more dependable as a week-to-week guide. We

have learned, I think, not to rely on net borrowed

reserves alone, but to use that measure in conjunction

with aggregate reserve and bank credit movements in the

interest of fostering orderly and noninflationary

monetary expansion.

Our recent experience with the proviso clause has

been very instructive in this respect. Given the

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succession of weeks in which aggregates have fallen

short of our expectations, I should think the time has

arrived to give somewhat more weight to monetary

aggregates in our operating instructions than we have

in the past. One way to do so at this time is to state

clearly that we would like to see bank credit show at

least a little more strength than indicated in the blue

book projections. This could be done in the directive

by adopting the position outlined in the last paragraph

of the staff note attached to the draft directive.

This would mean that with money market conditions

roughly in the range of the past two weeks, bank credit

might show somewhat more strength than projected in

November. If it did not, money market conditions could

be permitted to gradually ease somewhat more; on the

other hand, if bank credit showed considerably more

strength, money market conditions could tighten

some--all within the constraint of even keel. And

next time--when we are beyond even keel--I hope our

instructions to the Manager will lay less stress on

money market conditions and more on reserve factors

as guides to operation.

With these interpretations, I would be prepared to

vote in favor of either the draft directive distributed

by the staff or that suggested by Mr. Hayes.

Mr. Robertson added that whichever version of the directive

was adopted he would favor moving up the reference to fiscal policy

measures, as Mr. Swan had suggested, or deleting it completely.

He would also agree with Mr. Brimmer that the words "progress

toward" should be substituted for "restoration of" before the phrase

"reasonable equilibrium in the country's balance of payments."

Chairman Martin observed that he could add little to the

discussion today;

the comments he had made at the previous meeting

still seemed valid.

He would simply emphasize that the next meeting

of the Committee might well be an important one.

As had been pointed

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out, the elections would then be over and more information might

be available with respect to possible developments in Vietnam and

the future course of defense spending.

Thus, the Committee should

be in a better position at that time to decide whether any overt

change in policy was appropriate.

The main problem today appeared to be that of reaching

agreement on a directive, the Chairman continued.

He noted that

the Secretary had prepared a new draft that attempted to take

account of various suggestions advanced in the go-around.

The Chairman then read the following draft that had been

developed by Mr. Holland:

The economic and financial developments reviewed

at this meeting indicate that over-all domestic economic

activity is continuing to expand with sharply rising

defense expenditures but some evidencesof moderating

tendencies in sectors of the private economy. While

prices of some materials have declined recently, upward

demand and cost pressures persist for many finished

goods and services. Bank credit expansion has slackened.

Earlier strains in financial markets have abated and

certain fiscal policy measures have recently been enacted

by the Congress. The balance of payments remains a

serious problem. In this situation, it is the Federal

Open Market Committee's policy to maintain money and

credit conditions conducive to the restraint of infla

tionary pressures and progress toward reasonable

equilibrium in the country's balance of payments.

To implement this policy, and taking account of

the current Treasury financing, System Open Market

operations until the next meeting of the Committee shall

be conducted with a view to maintaining generally steady

conditions in the money market.

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Mr. Hayes noted that the proviso clause was deleted in the

text Mr. Holland proposed.

He would regret dropping the clause,

because that would imply more emphasis on money market conditions

as a guide to operations than he thought was intended.

Certainly,

money market conditions were not the Committee's sole concern; a

high degree of interest had been expressed around the table today

with regard to developments in other variables, and some recogni

tion in the directive of that interest would be useful.

Messrs. Robertson and Wayne concurred in Mr. Hayes'

observation.

The Chairman then suggested that if the proviso clause

was to be retained the version Mr. Maisel had proposed might be

acceptable.

Mr. Robertson commented that, while Mr. Maisel's proposed

clause was a possibility, the wording suggested by Mr. Hayes might

be preferable on the understanding that its intended interpretation

would be explained in the record.

Mr. Hickman asked whether inclusion of Mr. Hayes' proposed

proviso clause would imply that the Committee wanted not only to

offset the expected 2 per cent annual rate of decline in the bank

credit proxy in November but also to attempt to attain a growth

rate in the neighborhood of 4-6 per cent.

In his opinion, if the

staff projections were valid such a course would result in a sharp

runup in bond prices.

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Mr. Holmes said that in his judgment such an implication

was not necessarily warranted.

Moreover, as he had indicated

earlier he doubted the validity of the staff projections.

He thought

they probably would prove to involve an understatement of bank credit

strength in November, perhaps as large as the overstatements of recent

months.

Mr. Mitchell noted that there also could be a sharper decline

in bank credit than projected, if disintermediation continued at a

substantial rate.

He was inclined to agree with Mr. Hickman.

Mr. Daane commented that he thought the version of the proviso

clause proposed by Mr. Hayes would give the Manager the kind of discre

tion needed.

Mr. Robertson remarked that he thought the members had agreed

that even keel considerations were dominant at this time and, accord

ingly, that the Committee had to focus on money market conditions;

but that action should be taken, insofar as feasible given the

Treasury financing, to prevent a further decline in bank credit or

an undesirably large increase.

That was what he understood both

the staff's draft and Mr. Hayes' version of the proviso clause to

imply, and that was the course he would consider proper.

A number of expressions of agreement were voiced.

Chairman Martin observed that the discussion reflected a

fact he had often noted:

particular words meant different things

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to different people.

Personally, he found Mr. Hayes' version of

the proviso clause acceptable.

He inquired of Mr. Maisel whether

the latter also would find that version acceptable, given the

interpretation that had been made, and the response was in the

affirmative.

Mr. Swan asked whether it was appropriate to state as a

fact that defense expenditures were rising sharply in view of the

uncertainty with respect to developments in that area.

In response to the Chairman's request for comment,

Mr. Brill

said he thought enough was known to justify the statement in question.

While monthly figures on defense expenditures were not available,

preliminary GNP estimates for the third quarter indicated that defense

spending was rising then at a $4 billion annual rate, and the 50 per

cent increase in new defense orders from August to September indicated

that the rapid advance was continuing.

Mr. Hayes remarked that he was prepared to vote in favor of

the directive on which the Committee appeared to be agreeing, but he

wanted to note that he would have preferred to retain the original

language of the Committee's policy statement relating to the balance

of payments, rather than revising it to read "progress toward"

reasonable equilibrium.

Thereupon, upon motion duly made

and seconded, and by unanimous vote,

the Federal Reserve Bank of New York

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-87was authorized and directed, until

otherwise directed by the Committee,

to execute transactions in the System

Account in accordance with the following

current economic policy directive:

The economic and financial developments reviewed

at this meeting indicate that over-all domestic economic

activity is continuing to expand with sharply rising

defense expenditures but some evidences of moderating

tendencies in sectors of the private economy. While

prices of some materials have declined recently, upward

demand and cost pressures persist for many finished

goods and services. Bank credit expansion has slackened.

Earlier strains in financial markets have abated and

certain fiscal policy measures have recently been enacted

by the Congress. The balance of payments remains a

serious problem. In this situation, it is the Federal

Open Market Committee's policy to maintain money and

credit conditions conducive to the restraint of infla

tionary pressures and progress toward reasonable

equilibrium in the country's balance of payments.

To implement this policy, and taking account of the

current Treasury financing, System open market operations

until the next meeting of the Committee shall be conducted

with a view to maintaining generally steady conditions

in the money market; provided, however, that operations

shall be modified, insofar as the Treasury financing

permits, in the light of bank credit developments during

the month.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would

be held on Tuesday, November 22, 1966, at 9:30 a.m.

Chairman Martin noted that a tentative schedule for meetings

of the Committee in 1967 had been distributed with the agenda for

today's meeting.

He asked whether anyone had any comments on or

changes to suggest in the schedule.

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Mr. Daane said that while the tentative schedule was

acceptable to him, he would reiterate the view he had expressed

on other occasions that the Committee might ideally meet monthly,

at dates related to the availability of monthly economic statistics,

with interim meetings called when necessary.

Chairman Martin commented that the tentative schedule called

for 14 meetings in 1967, only two more than would be held if the

Committee met monthly.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary.

CONFIDENTIAL (FR)

ATTACHMENT A

October 31, 1966.

Draft of Current Economic Policy Directive for Consideration by the

Federal Open Market Committee at its meeting on November 1, 1966

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting indicate that over-all domestic economic activity is still

expanding, despite evidences of slackening in some sectors of the

private economy. While prices of some materials have declined

recently, upward demand and cost pressures persist for many finished

goods and services. Bank credit expansion has slackened and earlier

strains in financial markets have abated. The balance of payments

remains in deficit; although capital inflows increased in the third

quarter the trade surplus declined further. In this situation, and

in light of the fiscal policy measures recently enacted by Congress,

it is the Federal Open Market Committee's policy to maintain money

and credit conditions conducive to the restraint of inflationary

pressures and to the restoration of reasonable equilibrium in the

country's balance of payments.

To implement this policy, and taking account of the current

Treasury financing, System open market operations until the next

meeting of the Committee shall be conducted with a view to maintain

ing generally steady conditions in the money market; provided,

however, that operations shall be modified, insofar as the Treasury

financing permits, to moderate any apparently significant deviations

of bank credit from current expectations.

ATTACHMENTS B

Current Economic Policy Directive Proposed by Mr. Hayes

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting indicate that over-all domestic economic activity is contin

uing to expand, with rising defense expenditures offsetting moderating

tendencies in some sectors of the private economy. While prices of

some materials have declined recently, upward demand and cost pressures

persist for many finished goods and services.

Bank credit expansion

has slackened and earlier strains in financial markets have abated.

The balance of payments remains a serious problem. In this situation,

and in light of recent and possible future fiscal policy measures, it

is the Federal Open Market Committee's policy to maintain money and

credit conditions conducive to the restraint of inflationary pressures

and to the restoration of reasonable equilibrium in the country's

balance of payments.

To implement this policy, and taking account of the current

Treasury financing, System open market operations until the next

meeting of the Committee shall be conducted with a view to maintain

ing generally steady conditions in the money market; provided,

however, that operations shall be modified, insofar as the Treasury

financing permits, in the light of bank credit developments during

the month.

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1966, October 31). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19661101
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19661101,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1966},
  month = {Oct},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19661101},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}