fomc minutes · May 1, 1967

FOMC Minutes

A meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was held in

the offices of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

in Washington, D. C.,

PRESENT:

Mr.

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on Tuesday, May 2, 1967, at 9:30 a.m.

Martin, Chairman

Brimmer

Daane

Francis

Maisel

Mitchell

Robertson

Scanlon

Sherrill

Swan

Ellis, Alternate for Mr. Wayne

Treiber, Alternate for Mr. Hayes

Messrs. Hickman and Galusha, Alternate Members

of the Federal Open Market Committee

Messrs. Bopp and Clay, Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Philadelphia and Kansas City,

respectively

Mr. Holland, Secretary

Mr. Sherman, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Kenyon, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Broida, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Molony, Assistant Secretary

Mr. Hackley, General Counsel

Mr. Brill, Economist

Messrs. Baughman, Craven, Garvy, Hersey, Jones,

Koch, Partee, Ratchford, and Solomon,

Associate Economists

Mr. Holmes, Manager, System Open Market Account

Mr. Coombs, Special Manager, System Open

Market Account

Mr. Cardon, Legislative Counsel, Board of Governors

Mr. Fauver, Assistant to the Board of Governors

Mr. O'Connell, Assistant General Counsel, Legal

Division, Board of Governors

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Mr. Reynolds, Adviser, Division of International

Finance, Board of Governors

Mr. Bernard, Economist, Government Finance Section,

Division of Research and Statistics, Board of

Governors

Miss Eaton, General Assistant, Office of the

Secretary, Board of Governors

Miss McWhirter, Analyst, Office of the Secretary,

Board of Governors

Messrs. Kimbrel and Coldwell, First Vice

Presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks of

Atlanta and Dallas, respectively

Messrs. Eisenmenger, Eastburn, Mann, Taylor, Tow,

and Green, Vice Presidents of the Federal

Reserve Banks of Boston, Philadelphia, Cleveland,

Atlanta, Kansas City, and Dallas, respectively

Mr. Deming, Manager, Securities Department,

Federal Reserve Bank of New York

Mr. Kareken, Consultant, Federal Reserve Bank of

Minneapolis

Chairman Martin welcomed Mr. William W. Sherrill, recently

appointed to the Board of Governors, to his first meeting of the

Federal Open Market Committee.

The Chairman noted that Mr. Sherrill

had executed his oath of office as a member of the Committee prior

to today's meeting.

By unanimous vote, the minutes of

the meeting of the Federal Open Market

Committee held on April 4, 1967, were

approved.

Before this meeting there had been distributed to the members

of the Committee a report from the Special Manager of the System

Open Market Account on foreign exchange market conditions and on

Open Market Account and Treasury operations in foreign currencies

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for the period April 4 through April 26, 1967, and a supplemental

report for April 27 through May 1, 1967.

Copies of these reports

have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In comments supplementing the written reports, Mr. Coombs

said that the Treasury gold stock would remain unchanged again

this week.

Since the Stabilization Fund had more than $100 million

of gold on hand, he would assume that no reduction in the gold

stock would be required for at least several weeks to come.

Mr. Coombs commented that the London gold market had been

very badly shaken by the publicity given to recent statements on

U.S. gold policy contained in a publication of the Chase Manhattan

Bank and in a speech by the president of the Bank of America.

It

was likely that those statements had brought about a permanent

change in market thinking, and they had probably lifted the underly

ing demand for gold to a new high level.

As a result of the

statements, the gold pool lost about $25 million during April.

Since the pool might well have been in surplus during April if the

statements had not been made, their true cost probably was closer

to $50 million, and that was likely to represent only the first

instalment.

The one factor that had kept the market from a major

crisis had been the continued abnormally high flow of South African

gold; the running down of South African gold reserves had increased

the flow by nearly 40 per cent above normal in recent months.

As

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soon as South Africa halted the present reserve drain and sought

to rebuild its gold reserves, as it had after each previous period

of drain, the supply of gold reaching London would drop sharply

below current levels, perhaps by more than 50 per cent, and the

gold pool would be exposed to the full brunt of speculative buying.

As of the moment the pool's resources were only $85 million.

The

prospective deterioration in the U.S. balance of payments during

1967, together with the escalation of the war in Vietnam, seemed

likely to aggravate the gold market situation still further, and

it was entirely possible that before the summer was out there could

be a major crisis in the London market.

On the foreign exchange markets, Mr. Coombs continued,

sterling had had another good month during April.

He expected

that the British Government announcement, to be made this morning,

would indicate that their reserve increase had been in excess of

$100 million.

At least part of the inflow to the U.K. probably

reflected the comparative advantage which the British were contin

uing to maintain by keeping credit conditions in London relatively

tight and rates relatively high compared to other centers.

If the

Bank of England had followed the discount rate cuts by the Federal

Reserve and the German Federal Bank, it was likely that that would

have triggered off sympathetic moves by central banks of the

Netherlands, Belgium, and Sweden.

The main justification for

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Britain's holding back in that way was that they had been most anxious

to pull in enough money during April and early May to finance, as far

as possible, a very large prepayment--roughly $400 million--to the

International Monetary Fund, and a payment to Switzerland, both of

which they hoped to make around the middle of May.

They had made good

progress in getting the money together, and that might open the way for

an early reduction in the Bank rate.

Mr. Coombs said that the dollar had weakened appreciably on the

continental markets, and the continental central banks were again

taking in dollars.

As his written report indicated, the System had

found it necessary last Friday to use $15 million equivalent of the

fully-drawn portion of the swap line with the National Bank of Belgium

to absorb some of that Bank's dollar purchases.

In the case of the

Swiss franc, the spring months were normally a period of weakness and

in earlier years the System or the Treasury had been able to pick up as

much as $150 million of Swiss francs during that period.

It had not

been possible to acquire Swiss francs this year; the same apprehension

that was affectng the gold market, together with a liquidity squeeze

in Zurich, was frustrating the normal pattern.

The Swiss franc had

moved close to its ceiling and there would probably be heavy flows of

funds to Switzerland during the summer months.

In fact, nearly all of

the continental currencies might strengthen further over coming months,

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and it seemed quite possible the System might have to make very heavy

drawings on its swap lines between now and next fall.

Mr. Robertson asked whether Mr. Coombs knew of any basis for

assessing the accuracy of recent reports to the effect that the

production of gold in Russia had been accelerated.

Mr. Coombs replied that the Central Intelligence Agency, which

followed the Russian gold situation reasonably closely, had published

a report a few years ago which tended to discount stories about

important new gold discoveries in Russia.

He did not know whether that

agency had prepared a more up-to-date version of its report, which had

suggested that Russia was producing no more than $150 to $200 million

of gold per year.

Mr. Brimmer inquired about the extent to which continental

central banks might have benefited from the recent reflow of funds to

the Euro-dollar market through foreign branches of U.S.

banks.

Mr. Coombs said he thought that the main beneficiary thus far

had been the Bank of England, but clearly some of the funds had gone to

the continent.

More generally, there had been a tendency for dollars

to shift from private to foreign official hands--an important and

dangerous development which was likely to have implications for the

System's use of its swap arrangements.

In part, perhaps, that develop

ment was a consequence of the continued relative tightness of the

continental money markets, but in part it was attributable to the

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alarms of recent months about the outlook for the international mone

tary system.

By unanimous vote, the System

open market transactions in foreign

currencies during the period April 4

through May 1, 1967, were approved,

ratified, and confirmed.

Mr. Coombs noted that the System's standby swap arrangement

with the Bank of England in the amount of $1,350 million would reach

the end of its twelve-month term on May 31, 1967.

He recommended its

renewal for another full year.

By unanimous vote, renewal for a

further period of twelve months of the

$1,350 million standby swap arrangement

with the Bank of England, scheduled to

mature on May 31, 1967, was approved.

Mr. Coombs then reported that he had had discussions with the

Governor and Deputy Governor of the Bank of Mexico regarding a possible

standby swap arrangement with that Bank, and they had indicated that

they would be prepared to join in an arrangement in the amount of $130

million.

They had apparently chosen that figure to round out to an

even $500 million the total of their swap line with the System, their

$100 million swap line with the Treasury, and their International

Monetary Fund quota of $270 million.

Although $130 million was an

unusual figure for a swap arrangement he did not think it raised any

substantive question and would recommend its acceptance.

From his

conversations with the Mexicans it seemed quite clear that they understood

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the rules of the game as they had been developed in connection with the

swap network and could be relied upon to adhere to them.

He understood

that the Bank of Mexico had accomplished all of the necessary clearance

within their Government and that they would be prepared to make the

agreement final within the coming week.

Mr. Lang of the New York

Reserve Bank staff would be going to Venezuela this week in order to

discuss the swap network with the Governor of the Bank of Venezuela and

to brief him on the progress of the negotiations with Mexico.

The Bank

of Mexico had been advised that the Venezuelans would be kept informed.

Mr. Coombs noted that he had also been in touch with officials

of the National Bank of Denmark.

They told him that Denmark had

qualified for Article VIII status in the International Monetary Fund

yesterday and that they would be prepared to join in a swap agreement

with the System, in the amount of $100 million, at almost any time.

They still felt, however, that it would be useful for the announcement

of a swap arrangement between their Bank and the System to be timed to

coincide with an announcement of a similar arrangement between the Bank

of Norway and the System.

There was a problem in this connection,

however, since the Norwegians were still negotiating with the IMF about

one remaining technical obstacle to their qualification for Article VIII

status.

Even after they reached agreement in substance with the Fund,

it might take a little while for all of the formalities to be cleared

up.

He could see some possible advantage in anticipating the completion

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of such formalities by proceeding with the swap arrangement with the

Bank of Norway once they had reached agreement in principle with the

Fund.

In his judgment there would be advantages in announcing all of

the new agreements simultaneously rather than sequentially; the latter

procedure might lead to some speculation as to how far the System might

be intending to go in broadening the network to include other countries.

Mr. Coombs said he would, therefore, recommend Committee

approval of new standby swap arrangements in the amount of $130 million

with the Bank of Mexico and $100 million with the National Bank of

Denmark.

He would also recommend approval of a $100 million arrange

ment with the Bank of Norway,

contingent on their indicating that they

had reached an agreement in principle with the International Monetary

Fund which would enable them to qualify for Article VIII status as

soon as the necessary papers were executed.

He believed that all three

central banks would be prepared to join in standby swap arrangements

with a maturity of a full year.

Mr. Mitchell commented that the System would be placing

Venezuela in a difficult position if it declined to make a swap

arrangement with them because they had not attained Article VIII status,

and at the same time entered into an arrangement with Norway before

that country had met the requirements of Article VIII.

He thought it

would be preferable to give Venezuela the same opportunity that

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Mr. Coombs was suggesting should be given Norway; if they could achieve

Article VIII status, it would be appropriate to include a swap line

with them in the package.

Mr. Coombs said he suspected that Venezuela's qualifying under

Article VIII would involve a rather lengthy process.

In the case of

Norway, on the other hand, only a few weeks were likely to be required

to complete the negotiations and to process the necessary papers.

Mr. Mitchell replied that he still believed the Venezuelans

would be put at a disadvantage in the Carribean if they were not given

a chance to achieve Article VIII status before the System announced new

swap arrangements with Mexico and the two European countries.

He

thought it would be better to defer action on the other arrangements

until discussions were held with the Venezuelans.

If Mr. Coombs

was correct in his judgment that they could not achieve Article VIII

status relatively soon, they would at least be informed for the present,

and a swap arrangement with them could be made at some future date.

It

was important to avoid any suggestion of discriminatory action.

Mr. Brimmer recalled that at its previous meeting the Committee

had agreed on the desirability of holding informal discussions with the

Venezuelans.

Mr. Coombs noted that he had been authorized to negotiate with

Mexico with respect to a possible swap arrangement, and to keep the

Venezuelans informed.

It was not until yesterday that the Mexicans had

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advised him that they were prepared to join in the arrangement.

The

Venezuelans would be informed about the discussions with Mexico in the

course of Mr. Lang's forthcoming visit.

Mr. Solomon commented that when this matter was discussed at

the previous meeting the judgment of the Committee had been that it

was rather unlikely that Venezuela would attain Article VIII status

soon enough to be included in the present package, but that it was

important that they be informed of the standards for admission to the

network before an arrangement with Mexico was announced.

Mr. Robertson said that he could see the justification for

announcing the new swap arrangements with Mexico, Denmark, and Norway

simultaneously but he did not understand the need for moving ahead on

them before Norway had attained Article VIII status.

Mr. Coombs replied there was a potential reason for acting

within ten days or so, which was related to the forthcoming maturity

of the System's swap line with the Bank of France.

He had intended

to raise that subject next.

Mr. Robertson suggested that the Committee defer action on the

three proposed swap arrangements until after Mr. Coombs had discussed

the situation with respect to the Bank of France.

Mr. Coombs remarked that he had some rather unpleasant develop

ments to report.

It appeared that some of the System's swap network

partners in the European Economic Community were trying to subject the

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network to a new dimension of surveillance by arranging to have the

swap lines with the central banks of Common Market countries mature on

the same date.

He felt that they were planning eventually to go even

further to seek also some sort of Common Market control over the actual

drawings under the lines.1/

The 2/

official primarily concerned originally

had been one of the strongest supporters of the swap network,

Mr. Coombs continued, and it was not entirely clear why he was now

engaged in an effort of this kind.

Part of the explanation, perhaps,

was that he had become increasingly pessimistic about the U.S. balance

of payments problem and about the damage he thought the United States

had done by "exporting inflation" to Europe in the process of running

persistent payments deficits.

Secondly, his views had shifted from an

acceptance of the kind of exchange guarantee involved in the swap

drawings to a preference for a gold guarantee.

2/

Third, he and others

had been consistently pessimistic with respect to

sterling and had strenuously opposed some of the sterling rescue

operations of the past three years.

The fact that those rescue

1/Two sentences have been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The deleted material reported comments by Mr. Coombs

about the attitudes of individual central banks.

2/ A phrase has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons cited in

the preface. The phrase indicated the nationality of the official referred to.

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operations had been successful had not lessened his opposition, but had

served only to increase his disaffection.

That disaffection had been particularly whetted by the increases

in the swap lines negotiated last September, Mr. Coombs said.

1/

reaction of the-

The first

official at that time had been to try

to persuade all the Common Market countries to treat such increases as

2/

temporary and separate from the previous swap lines.2/

Having failed in that effort, he had shifted

his objective to that of achieving a common maturity date for the

various Federal Reserve swap lines--with all lines maturing at the end

of each quarter--so as to facilitate surveillance by the Common Market

central banks at renewal dates.

Those efforts to subject the Federal Reserve network to special

surveillance, Mr. Coombs observed, had been pursued through private

conversations with other Common Market central bankers.

Although some

of the latter had suggested open discussions with Federal Reserve

representatives, thus far no direct approach had been made to the

System.

1/ A phrase has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The phrase indicated the nationality of the

official referred to.

2/ A sentence has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The sentence reported a comment by Mr. Coombs

about the reactions of certain Common Market countries to the proposal

cited in the preceding sentence.

3/ A sentence has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The sentence referred to certain conversations

relating to the subject under discussion.

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Mr. Coombs noted that the Italians had attempted a compromise

by suggesting that their swap line with the System, which was already

on an annual basis, might be scheduled to mature at the end of each

year.

He thought that had been a constructive suggestion,

The swap

line with the German Federal Bank was on a six-month basis, and when

it had approached maturity in February the Germans had agreed to its

renewal for another six months, through August.

The swap lines with

the National Bank of Belgium and the Netherlands Bank had been

scheduled to mature around the middle of March, and ten days in advance

a telex had been sent to both banks proposing renewal for another three

months.

The Dutch had not replied at all.

The Belgians' reply

indicated that they were agreeable to renewal, but would like to place

the next maturity date at June 30 rather than at the normal maturity

date of June 13.

In reply they had been told that unless they had a

strong preference for June 30 the Federal Reserve would prefer to employ

the normal date, and if they did have a strong preference for June 30

the System would like to know the reason.

to that message.

There had been no response

At the Basle meeting held a few days later, he had

approached the Belgians directly with a request for an explanation of

their preference for a June 30 maturity date.

They had replied that

that preference was based on "purely internal reasons."

He had then

agreed to a June 30 maturity date, and the renewal was executed on that

basis.

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He had also approached the Dutch at the Basle meeting,

Mr. Coombs continued, but their only response was that they wanted to

hold further discussions within their own group.

There was no word

from them until the day before the arrangement matured, when they

called the New York Bank and proposed June 30 as the new maturity date.

He had been in Copenhagen at the time, and had instructed the New York

Bank staff to inquire about the significance of the June 30 date.

The

response from the Netherlands Bank was that it was suggested "to

facilitate consultation."

At that late hour it was impossible to get

in touch with the Committee.

Accordingly, he had told the Trading Desk

to agree to that date for purposes of the present renewal, but to

indicate that the Federal Reserve would want to discuss the matter of

future maturity dates before the June 30 maturity was reached.

The following weekend, Mr. Coombs said, he had met with a

representative of the Netherlands Bank and had received the impression

that the consultations contemplated by the latter might involve no more

than the central banks of Belgium and the Netherlands.

If that was the

case, such consultations were likely to be relatively harmless; but the

question remained as to whether they might be broadened to include all

Common Market countries.

As he had indicated, the German Federal Bank

had not gone along with the approach in February and the Bank of Italy

was removed from the issue by the fact that their swap line with the

System had a one-year term.

The key to future developments was the

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attitude of the French, whose swap line with the System would mature

on May 10.

Recently, Mr. Coombs said, he had been approached by a

representative of the Bank of France who said he simply wanted to give

advance notice that if a three-month renewal was requested the French

would be unable to agree; they were prepared to renew only to June 30.

He (Mr. Coombs) had indicated in reply that such a proposal would

raise significant questions of principle.

Subsequently, Mr. Hayes and

he had talked with officials of the Bank of France, and had urged them

not to press for a June 30 maturity date.

Mr. Hayes also had been in

touch with the German Federal Bank and would be visiting that Bank

again on Friday.

And, of course, there would be discussions at the

Basle meeting next weekend.

Superficially, Mr. Coombs observed, the question of coordinated

maturity dates for swap lines with Common Market countries might not

be considered a matter of great concern to the Committee.

The under

lying danger, however, was that the proposal reflected an intention of

ultimately subjecting the System's network of swap arrangements with

the Common Market countries to tight control by those countries

acting in concert.1/

In general, Mr, Coombs said, the events he had reported had a

number of unfortunate aspects.

First was the failure of the countries

1/ A sentence has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The sentence reported a comment by Mr. Coombs

about a possible consequence of the proposal under discussion.

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involved to consult the Federal Reserve directly.

More importantly,

the approach seemed to reflect an unwarranted attitude of distrust of

U.S. motives and actions.

The only justification that he could see

for the intended consultations was the risk of some abuse of the swap

network, while in fact there had been no abuse.

The nature of the

whole approach to the matter of uniform maturity dates suggested that

it was a testing operation.

His own strong inclination would be to

have the issue thrashed out now, when the swap lines were virtually

clear, rather than to let matters drift on and possibly come to a head

during the summer months when there might well be heavy drawings

outstanding under the swap lines.

At the previous meeting, Mr. Coombs noted, the Committee had

approved his recommendation that the swap line with the Bank of France

be renewed for three months when it matured on May 10.

The French had

now advised that they would not accept a renewal for three months, but

1/

only one through June 30.

His own view was that

the System should not acquiesce.

He would recommend that the French

be told that the Committee would let the arrangement lapse if they

were willing to renew it only until June 30.

In the weekend dis

cussions at Basle Mr. Hayes and he would be talking with the Germans

and Italians on the matter, and it would be helpful to have the views

of the Committee in this respect.

1/ A sentence has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The sentence reported a further comment by

Mr. Coombs on the subject under discussion.

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In response to the Chairman's request for comment, Mr. Daane

said that he had mixed feelings.

To a large extent he shared

Mr. Coombs' views; in his judgment the effort to coordinate maturity

dates of swap lines ran counter to the spirit of international

cooperation that was reflected in past practice of undertaking bilateral

arrangements to deal with disruptive swings in payments flows between

countries.

But while he sympathized with Mr. Coombs' view he found

the underlying issue a difficult one to resolve.

Mr. Daane noted that he had discussed the matter with Under

Secretary Deming who, like Mr. Coombs and himself, was disturbed about

the implications of the recent developments in light of the purpose of

the swap arrangements.

Mr. Deming had suggested making a maximum effort

at Basle this weekend to persuade the French to renew their swap line

on the customary three-month basis.

Whatever the French reaction,

Mr. Deming would favor having the usual telex sent out, proposing a

three-month renewal; and if the French rejected that proposal he would

favor letting the arrangement lapse.

Mr. Daane said there was much merit in the case Mr. Coombs had

made for following such a course, but he was not sure that he could go

along with it. There had been considerable pressure recently to extend

the degree of multilateral surveillance a step further.

He did not

know whether this was the point at which the Federal Reserve should try

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to resist that pressure, and he did not know whether System efforts at

resistance would be successful.

Mr. Daane's own recommendation would be to postpone any

decision with respect to the French swap line until it was learned

what course the Germans and Italians were likely to follow.

If they

were willing to retain the present maturity dates he was not sure that

it would make a great deal of difference whether or not the arrangement

with the French was permitted to lapse.

On the other hand, if it was

clear that the Germans and Italians were going to join in the move

ment to common maturity dates he did not think there was anything to

be gained by dropping the French swap line.

In short, he thought the

Committee needed more information before it could reach an appropriate

decision.

He favored one more effort this weekend to persuade the

French to stay with the 90-day maturity date, and he thought Mr. Coombs

should be authorized to report that it was the Committee's view that the

arrangement should be renewed, and for 90 days.

He would also favor

talks on the subject with the Germans and Italians this weekend.

If

they were prepared to join with the French he was not sure the

Committee could stave off a common maturity date.

If they were not, it

would be very useful to have their counsel.

Mr. Coombs observed that the attitude of the Italians posed no

problem, since they had already indicated they were fully prepared to

retain a one-year period for their swap line, with maturity at the end

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of the year.

The Germans at the moment were not on a quarterly basis;

as he had indicated, they had agreed in February to a six-month

renewal, and their swap line would mature on August 9.

He was hopeful

that they could be persuaded to renew the line for another six-month

period at that time.

However, if the System agreed to a June 30

maturity for the line with the Bank of France, the Germans would be

put under very heavy pressure.

Perhaps the best hope was to try to

persuade the French to defer the question, if only to extend to the

System the courtesy of having an opportunity for thorough discussion.

Central bank relations were based on a spirit of mutual trust and

confidence, and unilateral actions were contrary to that spirit.

Mr. Coombs added that the costs of permitting the swap line

with the Bank of France to lapse could easily be exaggerated.

That

line had been useless for some time, and market participants were aware

of that fact.1/

Mr. Daane said he had two additional comments.

First, he

thought further consideration had to be given to the question of

whether agreement on coordinated renewal dates for the swap lines with

Common Market countries would necessarily mean that those countries

subsequently would move toward control of the conditions of use of the

1/ A sentence has been deleted at this point for one of the reasons

cited in the preface. The sentence reported a further comment by

Mr. Coombs on the subject under discussion.

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Secondly, an official of the Bank for International Settlements

had suggested that part of the present ferment about the swap lines

might reflect the enlargements that had been made last fall.

Accord

ingly, while the enlargements had been useful and necessary at that

time, he (Mr. Daane) wondered whether it might not be helpful in the

present situation to suggest some over-all cutback in the sizes of the

swap lines.

Mr. Coombs replied that if the Dutch or Belgians were to

suggest a cutback in the size of their lines he would propose simply

to repeat what he had said in the past--namely, that the System wanted

no reluctant partners in the network, and if any partner thought a line

of the present size was not to its benefit the System would agree to

reduce it.

On the other hand, a general scaling down of the network

was likely to have unfortunate effects on market confidence.

Mr. Brimmer said that he would favor following the course

Mr. Coombs had recommended with respect to the swap line with the

Bank of France.

To agree to a renewal only for the period until

June 30 would appear to him as going a long way toward accepting

multilateral surveillance by the Common Market.

The Committee had

resisted such surveillance in the past and he thought it should continue

to do so.

Chairman Martin commented that he thought Mr. Coombs had taken

the right approach in his negotiations on maturity dates.

He agreed

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that it would make little difference from the point of view of monetary

affairs whether or not the swap line with the Bank of France was

renewed, since it had not been used for several years.

However, that

decision might have important international political implications,

affecting the foreign relations of the United States.

He would be

reluctant to see the Federal Reserve take any action that could be

construed--whatever the facts of the matter--as a System initiative to

discontinue the swap line with the French.

Accordingly, he would favor

deferring a decision until after the System's associates in the net

work could be consulted at the Basle meeting this weekend.

Mr. Brimmer asked whether it was the Chairman's feeling that

the Committee should run the risk of having its swap arrangements

brought under the surveillance of the Common Market.

The Chairman

replied that it was not yet clear to him how serious that risk was,

since much depended on the attitudes of the Germans and Italians.

Mr. Mitchell agreed that Mr. Coombs had taken the right

approach in his discussions about renewal dates with the Belgians and

Dutch, as well as with the French.

He also agreed that the swap line

with the Bank of France had been of no value for a number of years.

However, there were likely to be political repercussions to any

announcement that that line had been discontinued.

He did not know

what the political consequences of that step would be, and he questioned

whether the Committee was in a position to assess them accurately.

tell the French that it was unlikely that the Committee would agree to

renew their swap line only until June 30.

Mr. Treiber noted that both Mr. Coombs and Mr. Hayes would be

in Basle this weekend and would be holding full discussions with the

French, Germans, and Italians.

It would be helpful to them if the

Committee today reaffirmed the action it had taken at the previous

meeting of authorizing an extension for three months in the swap line

with the Bank of France.

If the French proved to be adamant, there

would still be time before May 10 for the Committee to hold a telephone

conference meeting for the purpose of reviewing the developments at

Basle and considering the best course of action.

Mr. Daane concurred in Mr. Trieber's suggestion.

Mr. Maisel commented that before reaching a final decision it

would be desirable to consult with the Treasury and the State

Departments on the political implications of various courses of action.

Chairman Martin agreed that the Committee should reaffirm the

action it had already taken with regard to the French swap line if that

was likely to be helpful to Messrs. Hayes and Coombs in their discus

sions at Basle.

But he would not cross the bridge of deciding to

discontinue that swap line until there was a better opportunity to

assess all of the implications of that action.

It would be unfortunate,

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he thought, if the French were in a position to say that they had

been prepared to renew the line but the Federal Reserve had refused

to go along.

Mr. Coombs commented that he also had been concerned about

political effects.

He had assumed that the current international

liquidity discussions were one important area of possible repercus

sion.

He gathered from Mr. Daane's remarks, however, that the

Treasury would have no objection to discontinuing the line if the

French insisted on the June 30 maturity date.

Mr. Daane said he understood it was the Treasury's impres

sion that France's position in the liquidity discussions would not

be affected by actions with respect to their swap line with the

System.

On the other hand, that was an initial reaction, and he

was not sure that the Treasury had fully reviewed all of the

political implications of the situation.

It probably would be

desirable for them, as well as for the System, to give further

thought to possible consequences not only for the liquidity

discussions but on a wider basis.

Mr. Coombs said it would be helpful if the Committee

reaffirmed its action approving a three-month renewal of the

French swap line.

It would also be helpful if Mr. Hayes and he

were able to report that it was the sense of the Committee that

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the proposals under discussion were contrary to the spirit of

cooperation underlying the swap network.

Mr. Daane remarked that he thought it would be appropriate

for Messrs. Hayes and Coombs to point out that the proposals were

viewed by the System and the Treasury as inimical to the spirit

of the network.

Mr. Hickman said that in his judgment the approach

Mr. Coombs had suggested was exactly right.

However, in view of

the fact that the Committee had been working to extend the network

and to increase its usefulness, he was concerned about the

possibility that some other present members might follow if the

French dropped out.

Accordingly, he hoped it would be possible

to continue the swap line with the French.

Mr. Mitchell remarked that if a special meeting was found

to be needed the Committee might consider convening in Washington

rather than holding a telephone conference, which was a rather

unsatisfactory way to conduct a discussion.

In his judgment the

French were not likely to yield on the matter at issue.

Mr. Robertson said he thought the procedures that had been

outlined were good.

If the French proved to be adamant he would

not favor having the System back down.

Mr. Brimmer commented that he assumed the Committee would

not only reaffirm its previous decision regarding a three-month

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renewal of the French swap line today, but that it would also

authorize Mr. Coombs to indicate that it was disturbed by the

recent developments.

Chariman Martin agreed.

As he had indicated, however,

he thought that the Committee should not reach a decision today

regarding the French swap line if the Bank of France was not

agreeable to a three-month renewal.

Such a decision should be

held in abeyance until more information was available.

No disagreement was expressed with the Chairman's statement.

By unanimous vote, the Committee

reaffirmed its action of April 4, 1967,

approving renewal of the $100 million

standby swap arrangement with the Bank

of France for a further period of three

months.

Mr. Coombs then noted that he had requested Committee

approval of new standby swap arrangements with the Banks of

Denmark and Mexico, in the amounts of $100 million and $130 mil

lion, respectively, with terms preferably up to a full year.

He

had also requested approval of a $100 million arrangement with

Norway, preferably for one year, if they indicated that they had

reached agreement in principle with the Fund as to their achiev

ing Article VIII status within the very near future, and that

only final arrangements remained to be completed.

It would be

his hope that all three new arrangements could be announced at

the same time.

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Mr. Robertson asked whether it might not be better to

wait until Norway had actually achieved Article VIII status before

acting on any of the new swap arrangements.

Mr. Coombs replied that if the swap line with the Bank of

France were to be discontinued there would be some advantage in

announcing all four actions simultaneously.

He would not expect

any particular market effects from dropping the French swap line,

but a simultaneous announcement of three new lines would lessen

whatever effects might occur.

Mr. Solomon suggested that the Committee might want to

weigh two other considerations.

First was the general question

of the desirability of admitting a country to the swap network

before it had achieved Article VIII status.

Secondly, the three

central banks with whom the new arrangements were to be made might

have questions about the System's motives in making a simultaneous

announcement of all four actions.

That consideration might out

weigh the advantages of a simultaneous announcement since, as

Mr. Coombs had indicated, the market effects of dropping the swap

line with the Bank of France were not likely to be great in any

case.

Mr. Swan concurred in Mr. Solomon's comments.

Mr. Treiber remarked that if the French agreed to a three

month renewal, there would not be any important reason for approving

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the swap line with Norway before they achieved Article VIII status.

On the other hand, if the French did not agree, the Committee

planned to hold a special meeting in the course of which it could

reach a decision on Norway.

Accordingly,

he thought no action

with respect to the Norwegian swap line was necessary today.

Chairman Martin then suggested that the Committee defer

action with respect to the proposed new swap arrangements with

the central banks of Norway, Denmark, and Mexico until May 23, or

until the special meeting of the Committee if one was held before

that date.

There was no disagreement with the Chairman's suggestion.

Chairman Martin then invited Mr. Daane to report on the

recent joint meeting of the Deputies of the Group of Ten and the

Executive Directors of the IMF.

Mr. Daane noted that the Deputies had met with the Executive

Directors of the Fund on April 24 and 25, and for part of the day

on April 26.

At a press conference held on April 26, Mr. Schweitzer

had summarized the developments in the following words:

"I think

that once more these meetings have proved very useful and very

successful and I think we can state with confidence that great

progress is being made.

I think it is now unanimously agreed that

we should proceed with work toward the establishment of a plan for

the deliberate creation of supplementary reserves.

I think also

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that everybody is willing to make the maximum effort to make it

possible that at the Rio de Janeiro meeting, where our Governors

will convene in September, they will already have before them,

let's say, the broad outlines of a plan."

What lay behind Mr. Schweitzer's words, Mr. Daane contin

ued, were two and a half days of discussion of the need for new

reserves and of the illustrative schemes for reserve asset creation

prepared by the Fund staff.

In the course of that discussion the

U.S. representatives had made a forthright and persuasive case

for the proposition that the need for new reserves might be closer

rather than further away.

As Chairman Emminger himself had said,

it appeared that the time for activating a contingency plan was

nearer than had been thought a year ago.

On the basis of the

discussion at the meeting, and at the Munich meeting of the Common

Market Finance Ministers on April 17-18, it appeared that there

was now unanimous agreement on going forward with respect to a

plan; the French had moved that much.

The French also had moved

to the extent of accepting an unconditional reserve asset in the

form of drawing rights without specific credit-like repayment

provisions.

There was considerable discussion of the alternatives

of reserve units and drawing rights.

The representatives of the

U.S. and other non-EEC countries had insisted that the new asset

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be money-like rather than credit-like, in order to be a true

supplement to gold and dollars.

On the technical side, Mr. Daane continued, the issues

still remained of whether, whatever the label, the new asset

should be transferable directly or indirectly; whether it should

involve pooled resources within the Fund, or separate resources

in the Fund or in a Fund affiliate; and whether or not repayment

provisions should be attached to the asset.

The most important

unresolved issue, however, was that of decision-making.

The

Common Market countries wanted a requirement for a majority of

85 per cent of votes in the Fund, plus a majority of creditor

countries.

Such requirements would give veto power to the Common

Market, and were strongly resisted by other countries, including

the United States.

Probably that major issue could not be decided

at the technical level by the Deputies and Directors, but would

have to go to the Ministers and Governors.

Mr. Daane noted that the Deputies would meet again on

May 18-19, and that a final joint meeting with the IMF Directors

would be held shortly after mid-June.

He thought it was fair to

say that solutions could be found to the technical issues, and

that the elements of a plan, if not a full-blown plan itself,

could be available by the time of the meeting in Rio in September.

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members of the Committee a report from the Manager of the System

Open Market Account covering open market operations in U.S.

Government securities and bankers' acceptances for the period

April 4 through April 26, 1967, and a supplemental report cover

ing the period April 27 through May 1, 1967.

Copies of both

reports have been placed in the files of the Committee.

In supplementation of the written reports, Mr. Holmes

commented as follows:

Since the Committee last met, short-term interest

rates have moved sharply lower, but, despite the

reduction of the discount rate, long-term rates have

moved significantly higher. The reasons for these

disparate developments are not hard to find. Short

term rates have of course been influenced by the

comfortable money market and by seasonal demands for

Treasury bills from corporations and public funds as

well as from net System purchases. Long-term interest

rates on the other hand have been under sustained

upward pressure from the heavy weight of corporate

and municipal demand for capital. In addition there

has been a sharp turnaround from pessimism to optimism

in the market's expectations about the future performance

of the economy, and, more recently, an adjustment for

the current Treasury refunding. Changed market

expectations about the economic outlook have also

led to the belief that not much more in the way of

ease can be expected from monetary policy. With the

refunding, market participants have begun to focus

on the heavy cash needs of the Treasury and of Government

agencies in the second half of the year. The current

$12 billion estimated Treasury cash need is generally

regarded by the market as a minimal estimate. Against

the backdrop of the 1966 experience these recent and

prospective economic and financial developments have

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combined to produce growing uneasiness in long-term

markets. Late last week this heaviness spilled over

into the intermediate- and short-term market as well.

As the blue book 1/ states, the outlook for yields

in the capital markets is quite uncertain. The

fundamental question is how strong the economy is

going to get and how soon. Given the recent rise in

yields--as much as 35 basis points for intermediate

Government securities and about 20 to 40 basis points

on long-term corporate and municipal securities--there

are a number of market participants who feel that the

pendulum has swung a bit too far and that present

yields could provide a trading range for some time

to come. The technical position of the Government

bond market, where dealers had worked down their

holdings of coupon issues substantially before the

refunding announcement, is relatively good, and a

moderate price rally could be in the cards. The posi

tion of the corporate and municipal market, on the

other hand, is not so good and little relief seems

in sight from the demand side until mid-year at least.

Underwriters are quite disheartened by the state of

demand and by the rapidity with which inventory profits

have turned into losses. All of this, of course, is a

commentary on the recent volatile state of expectations.

Yield developments may rest heavily on the strength

of private demands for bank loans. If they are relatively

weak over the next few weeks--a distinct possibility in

the light of the volume of long-term funds being raisedbanks might be tempted to stretch out their average

maturities of municipals and Governments. Bank demand

for liquidity is still strong, but the rate developments

of the past few weeks now exact a significant penalty

for staying short. Looking further ahead, there are

some who anticipate a slackening of private demand for

capital in the second half of the year. But there are

others who see strong private demand continuing, and

in light of the heavy Government demand, including

participation certificate sales, a few are going so

far as to wonder whether August will be early or late

this year.

1/ The report, "Money Market and Reserve Relationships,"

prepared for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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As far as short-term rates are concerned, the

outlook is still for some further downward drift in

the weeks ahead unless expectations of a booming

economy and an end to easy money are such as to

outweigh the normal demand-supply factors. In yes

terday's Treasury bill auction, issuing rates of

3.77 per cent and 3.91 per cent were set respectively

for 3- and 6-month bills, 21 and 9 basis points below

the levels established in the auction preceding the

last Committee meeting.

System operations supplied a fairly large volume

of reserves on a day-to-day basis since the last

meeting, as the written reports have spelled out. We

bought some coupon issues early in the period, purchased

Treasury bills outright on several occasions when the

over-hanging market supply seemed rather heavy, and

made temporary reserve injections through repurchase

agreements. We encountered no real problems in keeping

the money market comfortable although, as the written

reports note, there were unusually wide fluctuations in

free reserves from week to week. The bank credit proxy

came out about as expected in April, and as the blue

book notes a sharp slowdown is expected in May. It

would be helpful in interpreting the proviso clause of

the directive 1/ if the Committee members would comment

on the general acceptability of such a slowdown.

As you know, the books will be open through tomor

row on the Treasury refunding of May maturities and the

prerefunding of June and August maturities. Initially,

market participants considered both issues attractively

priced. Prices of the refunding issues have held up

fairly well in the generally soggy market atmosphere

since Friday, although many investors have tended to

become cautious. There was some recovery in the

intermediate area of the market yesterday after a weak

opening, but the market's performance today and tomorrow

will have an important bearing on the outcome. There

seems to be a very good interest in the shorter of the

two options on the part of large commercial banks. Banks

outside the money centers hold a substantial part of the

rights issues and may find the 4-3/4 per cent coupon on

the five-year note attractive, but it is still too early

for the market to have even a fair idea of what the

1/ A draft directive submitted by the staff for Committee

consideration is appended to these minutes as Attachment A.

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ultimate exchange will be. Expectations are for a less

than average interest from holders of August rights,

but even a modest exchange of about 20 per cent would

reduce the Treasury's August refunding job by about

$1 billion and would give some additional debt extension.

There seems to be little danger that dealers will wind

up with an overextended position in the new issues.

The System holds close to $6.4 billion or about

two-thirds of the maturing May 4-1/4 per cent Treasury

notes and I would plan, unless the Committee has other

views, to place $2 billion of that amount in the new

5-year note, with the remainder going into the 15-month

note. This would seem a reasonable distribution in the

light of the very ample short-term holdings in our port

folio and the fact that the average maturity of our

holdings has been shortening over time.

The System also holds about $107 million of the

2-1/2 per cent Treasury bonds maturing June 15, and

I would plan to place this amount also in the new

five-year note. In view of the uncertainties of the

past few days the market has been singularly unwilling

to estimate the likely size of the two new issues. As

a wild guess we could end up with about half of the

longer issue and a somewhat higher percentage of the

shorter issue. I would not plan to prerefund any of

our holdings of August maturities.

By unanimous vote, the open

market transactions in Government

securities and bankers' acceptances

during the period April 4 through

May 1, 1967, were approved, ratified,

and confirmed.

Chairman Martin then called for the staff economic and

financial reports, supplementing the written reports that had

been distributed prior to the meeting, copies of which have been

placed in the files of the Committee.

Mr. Partee made the following statement on economic

conditions:

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One of the editorials in the Washington press

last weekend was entitled "Spring is for Optimists."

That is certainly true so far as views on the business

outlook are concerned. As everyone in this room is

well aware, there has been a very marked improvement

in expectations for the economy since the Committee's

last meeting. The stock market has reacted buoyantly,

rising in virtually all trading sessions--and on

substantial volume--over the past three weeks. And

bond markets have been correspondingly weak, reflecting

both the change in investor sentiment and the continuing

heavy volume of new offerings. Most people are now

looking through the current period of flatness to

renewed vigorous economic expansion later in the year

and extending into 1968.

To be sure, the aggregate business measures cur

rently are not a great deal better than was anticipated

a month or two ago. The preliminary estimate for

first-quarter GNP shows a rise of only $5 billion in

current dollars and no net gain in real terms. And the

staff projection in the green book,.1/ with which I am

in general agreement, forecasts a second quarter rise

of only $8 billion in current dollars and less than

2 per cent, annual rate, in real terms--well below the

economy's growth potential.

Moreover, there may well be some less favorable

economic news items in coming weeks--perhaps enough

even to shake the current ebullient sentiment. The

substantial rise in insured unemployment over the past

two months, for example, suggests weakness in some labor

markets; unemployment could rise further, particularly

in manufacturing, though we have just learned confiden

tially that there was very little rise in the over-all

unemployment rate in April. Housing starts over the next

month or two may not be able to keep up with the very

large increases assumed on seasonal grounds alone. The

exceptional strength in retail trade indicated in the

March advance report may have been exaggerated, though

I should note that the weekly figures through the third

week of April continued favorable. New car sales,

1/ The report, "Current Economic and Financial Conditions,"

prepared for the Committee by the Board's staff.

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though improved, are not so strong as the year-to-year

changes suggest, since the comparison is with a declin

ing trend last spring. With the widely varying timing

impacts of sales contests, a bad 10-day report or two

is always possible. And the possibility of disruptive

strikes and labor difficulties in coming weeks and months

of collective bargaining is of course very real.

Nevertheless, it seems to me that the confidence in

the underlying strength of the economy is well founded.

Within the aggregates, final demands have been considerably

stronger--and the reduction in inventory accumulation

correspondingly larger--than we had anticipated a month

or two ago. Even if revised figures should reduce the

dimensions of this shift in the mix of demand, the

underlying increase in final demand still seems certain

to remain substantial. Stock-sales ratios are still very

high, and we think that the inventory adjustment still

has some distance to go. Further progress has to be

made in cutting back inventories in those areas where

they seemed clearly excessive, such as consumer durables

and industrial materials. But if the strengthening in

final demand persists, as seems likely, this means that

needed inventory adjustments will be smaller and can

probably be accomplished with only moderate further

output curtailments.

Another aspect of the underlying strength of the

economy is the failure of recessionary forces to spread

and intensify. Thus, the declines to date in employment

and hours have been confined mainly to the more volatile

manufacturing sector, which in itself has been shrinking

secularly relative to the total economy. Aggregate per

sonal incomes have continued to show good--though somewhat

diminished--gains, which supports the expectation of

further expansion in consumption outlays. The counterpart

of a larger rise in personal incomes than in GNP, of course,

must be a shrinkage in net business incomes and/or an

increased Governmental deficit. Corporate profits are

down, but judging from our weighted compilation of first

quarter earnings reports, the year-to-year decline was

surprisingly small--5 per cent or a little more. The

more important adjustment, quantitatively, was an apparent

sharp increase in the Federal deficit (on a national

income basis), which reflected both a rise in expenditures

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and an indicated shortfall in tax accruals. This shift

has done much to blunt what otherwise might have been

a potentially serious inventory recession.

A third factor of strength in the economy is that

several of the major areas of spending that are less

dependent on current income flow--construction, business

equipment, and military outlays--look somewhat stronger

than seemed probable a month or two ago. The most

recent McGraw-Hill survey of business capital spending

plans showed no tendency toward downward revision

compared with earlier surveys; with improved business

confidence and greater credit availability, and assuming

reinstatement of the investment tax credit as proposed,

it now seems to me quite possible that there will be

little or no decline in capital spending as the year

progresses. In the construction area, where credit

availability is also very important, a substantial

expansion looks increasingly likely. Not only have

savings flows to the specialized mortgage lending

institutions been larger than expected, but sizable

amounts of Federal funds impounded earlier have been

released for public works projects. Finally, defense

expenditures appear to be running moderately above the

January Budget projections, and the recent news seems

increasingly to point toward further near-term escala

tion of the military effort in Vietnam.

On the whole, therefore, there are good grounds

supporting the expectation of significant strengthening

in the economy. Our initial third-quarter projection

calls for a sizable increase in GNP, and the implication

is that there will be a still bigger increase when the

inventory adjustment is largely completed--probably by

the fourth quarter.

Meanwhile, we have been enjoying some welcome

relief on the price front; substantial recent declines

in agricultural and sensitive industrial materials

prices, and a leveling off in industrial product prices,

have pushed average wholesale prices down and moderated

the rise in the consumer price index. But inflationary

pressures may be building for the future. Unit labor

costs in manufacturing have increased markedly--4-1/2

per cent since last summer--as productivity has ceased

to grow with the leveling off and decline in output,

and wages have continued to rise rapidly. Given this

development, the associated squeeze on profit margins,

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and the larger increases in wage rates anticipated from

labor contract negotiations, it seems clear that the

pressures will be intensifying for price increases

whenever market conditions permit. Thus, resumption

of rapid economic expansion could be followed rather

quickly by renewed inflationary problems.

Under these circumstances, I would not advise the

Committee to push toward further monetary ease. Such

a course would seem to offer little benefit in terms

of short-run stimulation for the still lagging economy,

and could risk contributing to a possible overheating

later on. But neither do I feel that excessively rapid

expansion is sufficiently certain, or the development

of possible overheating sufficiently near, to warrant

any move toward increased restraint as of now. There

fore, my policy recommendation would be for "even keel"

in terms of market rates, flows, and conditions, even

in the absence of the Treasury financing constraint.

Mr. Brill made the following statement concerning financial

developments:

Treasury financings, and the even-keel constraints

they impose, often come at awkward times for the

implementation of monetary policy. This is not the

case today. Indeed, we should be grateful for the

breather the current financing affords, for we need the

opportunity to sit back a bit and assess how the

economy has responded to what we've done since last

fall, and what this implies for the course of policy

once even-keel constraints are lifted.

I certainly concur with Mr. Partee that economic

prospects for the balance of the year have brightened

considerably. We're not entirely out of the woods yet,

and the near-term situation will continue to bear some

marks of the recent economic slowdown. But the rapidity

of the inventory adjustment and the strengthening in

private final sales, along with the apparent likelihood

of continued large defense spending, lend credence to

projections of more rapid economic growth this summer

and further acceleration in the fall. Given these

improved economic prospects, the critical question to

ponder between today and the end of even-keel restrictions

is whether we've done all the economy requires or, indeed,

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whether it would be appropriate soon to begin backing-off

from aggressive easing.

One test is whether we've restored the liquidity

wrung out of the economy during 1966. Concepts and

measures of liquidity are slippery; the traditional loan

deposit ratio cited as a measure of banking liquidity,

for example, fails to capture significant shifts in the

forms in which banks may decide to hold liquidity.

According to this traditional measure, banks have improved

their liquidity positions somewhat since December, but are

still less liquid than before the beginning of monetary

restraint, particularly so at New York and Chicago banks.

It is more revealing, however, to examine each side

of the banking balance sheet separately. Thus, we estimate

that bank holdings of short- and intermediate-term securities

have rebounded substantially as a percentage of total earning

assets. For all banks combined, this ratio has been restored

to mid-1965 levels, and at New York City banks it is almost

back to these levels.

On the liability side of bank balance sheets, there

has been some restructuring of the maturity profile of time

deposits. Large negotiable CD's came back strongly after

monetary easing developed; between November and early March,

banks restored the volume outstanding to the peak levels of

1966. And average maturity of CD's, which had worked down

significantly over the summer of 1966 as banks fought to

retain CD funds, jumped early this year to pre-restraint

levels. But since the early bulge, the volume of CD's has

drifted up further only slowly, while average maturities

have stayed about at January levels. Rather than continue

to seek large CD money aggressively, banks more recently

have been content to enjoy an accelerated rise in consumer

type CD's.

They have reduced offering rates on large CD's

sharply in all maturities, but have made only scattered

efforts to reduce the rates paid for consumer funds, which

proved less volatile last year than corporate money. As a

result, time deposits other than large CD's now bulk larger

among bank liabilities. Thus, in addition to increasing

the liquidity of their portfolios, banks have restored some

liquidity to the deposit side of the balance sheet, and

over-all, appear more liquid than a comparison of loan

deposit ratios alone would suggest.

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The green book details the improvement in liquidity

of nonbank institutions, particularly S&L's, and I won't

dwell on it here other than to note that S&L's also have

improved the liquidity of both sides of their balance

sheets, by increasing their holdings of liquid assets

and also by rebuilding their credit lines at the Home

Loan Bank System.

Liquidity developments among nonfinancial sectors

are more difficult to trace, particularly because the

information available is scattered and late. Preliminary

Flow-of-Funds estimates for the first quarter indicate a

marked shift in consumer portfolio behavior, back to saving

through intermediaries instead of direct acquisition of

market securities, while consumer borrowing for both short

term credit and mortgage money remained low.

Corporations, too, appear to have restored liquid

asset holdings, early in the year in CD's but more recently

in open market paper, The most important improvement in

corporate liquidity, however, has been the stretch-out of

debt maturities; growth in long-term security debt has

been much larger than the increase in indebtedness to banks.

To date, there is little evidence that corporations have

actually funded much shorter-term bank debt--the proceeds

of recent capital market financing appeared to have been

used in large measure to meet heavy April tax payments--but

the continuing large volume of long-term financing in the

face of reduced financing requirements suggests that bank

loan repayment may accelerate in the months ahead.

While monetary policy thus appears to have encouraged

a substantial rebuilding of liquidity among the major

lending and spending sectors of the economy, it hasn't

been quite so successful in restoring pre-1966 interest

rate levels, at least not at the long end of the market.

Short rates are down almost 2 percentage points from

last fall's peak, and are back to mid-1965 levels. However,

long rates--particularly on private debt--are still substan

tially above pre-restraint levels.

Smaller cyclical movement in long than in short rates

is to be expected, but it is disturbing that the recent

declines still leave long rates historically high. Such

cyclical ratcheting in the cost of capital does not bode

well for maintenance of longer-term growth. Moreover, the

financial system now seems poised to respond to the first

evidence of a shift in policy by pushing up long rates

even further. Memories of 1966 are still fresh; both

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corporate investors and banks are wary of an imminent

return to restraint, and particularly wary of playing

the CD game. Banks are not bidding aggressively for

short-term funds, nor are they channeling funds to

long-term markets. Rather, they are looking principally

to more stable savings flows and investing primarily in

short- and intermediate-term assets. Borrowers, meanwhile,

are anxious to fund short-term liabilities into long-term

debts, and are apparently more interested in holding

short-term market securities than bank deposits.

Perhaps this is the price of success for having--in

rapid order and brief compass of time--cut short an

inflation and then aborted a recession. Perhaps, also,

it's a price we have to pay for having used ceiling rates

so effectively as a tool of monetary restraint. Markets

learn from painful experience, and the next time around

we may have to fight on different battlegrounds and with

different tactics.

But it's not yet the time to start this fight.

Despite the improved economic outlook, it would seem

premature now to enhance or justify market fears of a

return to restraint. The recovery in housing is still

too fragile to permit a diversion of funds away from

intermediaries. And it's much too early to abandon hope

of help from fiscal restraint. Our projections indicate

some subsidence in bank credit demands this month, and

the reserves to meet these reduced demands should be

provided generously.

But it would not seem advisable, either, to flood

the banks with reserves in an attempt to bring down long

rates, or to concentrate reserve injections on pulling

long rates down. For one, it's not likely that we could

accomplish much, given the buoyancy of economic expecta

tions. Nor is it at all clear that we want to stimulate

a faster rate of investment than is now projected for

six or nine months hence. Therefore, like Mr. Partee,

I come out today for even-keeling, not only because of

the Treasury financing, but also because it seems appro

priate to the economic situation and prospects.

Mr. Solomon then presented the following statement on the

balance of payments and related matters:

There is little to add this morning to the green

book analysis of balance of payments developments. The

payments balance was in substantial deficit in the first

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quarter, and this has apparently continued in April.

We are not yet in a position fully to explain the

over-all first quarter outcome. The components we

do know about--merchandise trade and bank loans

abroad--improved in the first quarter. What we

don't know yet is what went the other way.

I thought the Committee might find it useful to

have some commentary today about the hullabaloo over

U.S. gold policy that was stimulated by the statements

last month from the Chase Manhattan Bank and Mr. Rudolph

Peterson of the Bank of America. Mr. Coombs has reported

on the market effects of those statements.

As you know, an article in Chase Manhattan's

bi-monthly bulletin, "Business in Brief," published at

the beginning of April, suggested that the United States

should decide--and make the decision known now--that in

the event of a gold crisis this country would terminate

its practice of selling gold freely to foreign central

banks. Just two days after the first press reports of

the Chase Manhattan article, Rudolph Peterson made a

similar proposal regarding the action to be taken by

this country if a gold drain of crisis proportions were

to develop. Many people immediately assumed a connection

between the two statements and Secretary Fowler's Pebble

Beach speech of mid-March. You will remember that that

speech had hinted that unless other countries accept a

larger share of the task of adjusting payments imbalances,

the United States may be forced to take undesirable

actions, of an unspecified nature.

What were the two bank statements saying to the

They were saying that if the United States were

world?

to stop selling gold, foreign central banks would be

Countries in surplus,

faced with a "disagreeable choice."

which almost invariably realize those surpluses in the

form of acquisitions of dollars through their exchange

markets, would have the choice of holding these additional

dollars or, if they refuse to acquire and hold them,

seeing their exchange rates appreciate in relation to the

dollar--that is, seeing the dollar depreciate in relation

to their currencies. In other words, foreign countries

would either have to accept dollars freely or allow their

competitive positions to deteriorate in relation to the

United States.

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Although both the Chase and the Peterson statements

proposed that such a cessation of gold sales would be

appropriate only in the event of a crisis, what seems to

have motivated these statements is a deep concern that

the United States will attempt to correct its balance of

payments problem by strengthening and extending restraints

on private capital outflows. This concern is expressed

quite explicitly in both statements. The two banks seem

to be saying that the United States should refrain from

tightening restraints on private capital outflows. If

this means a continued U.S. deficit, if European surplus

countries do not take measures to reduce their surpluses,

and if they continue to convert their surpluses into gold,

we should in due course stop selling gold and confront

them with the disagreeable choice.

This proposition raises a number of questions. The

first question is, how would foreign countries react to

a cessation of U.S. gold sales?

The "either-or" choice

envisaged by the Chase-Peterson statements is, in my view,

a great oversimplification. It seems highly unlikely that

European countries would simply accumulate dollars freely

if they did not wish to see their currencies appreciate

in relation to the dollar. Their desire to avoid an

appreciation of their currencies stems from a wish to

protect their trade balances--to avoid seeing their exports

suffer or their imports increase markedly. But, insofar

as capital transactions are concerned, they would have no

wish to prevent an appreciation of their currencies and

a depreciation of the dollar. Thus, European governments

would very likely place restrictions on purchases of

dollars that come to them as a result of capital inflows.

In other words, they would establish at least two categories

of dollars and in this way would restrict the inflow of

U.S. capital. It is ironical that while the Chase-Peterson

prescription is designed to prevent U.S. Government restric

tions on capital outflows, it would result in European

restrictions on these same flows. Meanwhile, the interna

tional monetary system would have been thrown into turmoil,

with a highly unpredictable outcome. It seems likely that

the world might very well end up dividing itself into

currency blocs reminiscent of the 1930's.

We may also ask what effect this hullabaloo over gold

has had. Has it had any beneficial effects? What harm

does it do?

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Perhaps one useful result is that the world is

being reminded that an increase in the official price of

gold is not an inevitable outcome of an international

monetary crisis. Other options are available to the

United States, and we are not completely at the mercy

of the gold hoarders. While this is not news to

responsible foreign officials, it may not have been

clear to private gold buyers.

A second useful aspect of this affair is that it

may serve to emphasize that the restoration of balance

of payments equilibrium requires action by surplus

countries too.

Now, I turn to the harmful effects of these

statements. First, the United States is a bank to

the rest of the world and it is unwise for a bank to

threaten to close its doors unless it wants to go out

of business. If a bank threatens to close its doors,

and if the threat is taken seriously, the bank must

expect depositors to withdraw in anticipation of such

a closing. In our case, this means anticipatory gold

purchases.

The major disadvantage of the Chase-Peterson thesis

lies in the impression it gives of U.S. attitudes. In

its rawest form, this thesis proclaims that the rest of

the world is on a dollar standard and it has to accept

that fact. The rest of the world does indeed use the

dollar as a transaction currency and as a reserve

currency. What the rest of the world, and Europe in

particular, is not prepared to accept is the idea that

this gives the United States full freedom to spend and

invest abroad and, in the process to create foreign

dollar reserves in whatever amounts its balance of

payments happens to provide. One need not be a defender

of short-sighted European policies to believe that the

threatening nature of the two statements is bound to be

distasteful to other countries and they are bound to

react adversely.

If the gold hullabaloo had sharpened awareness of

the need for creating an effective new reserve asset as

a supplement to gold, that would have been helpful. But

instead of focusing on the gold shortage, the statements

appeared to wish to perpetuate the U.S. balance of payments

deficit and thereby hardly helped to further the international

liquidity negotiations.

I leave to the Committee a weighing of these advantages

and disadvantages of the gold hullabaloo.

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Mr. Treiber asked whether Mr. Coombs had had any direct

contacts with foreign central bankers regarding the subject

Mr. Solomon had discussed.

Mr. Coombs replied that he had had such contacts with a

few central bankers, and had found them very much upset.

Their

concern was not allayed by the subsequent Treasury statement

indicating that U.S. gold policy had not changed.

Mr. Coombs added that he doubted that the course Chase

Manhattan had proposed was an alternative to an increase in the

price of gold, as Mr. Solomon had suggested.

If the United

States were to stop selling gold the price on the London market

would rise sharply, and the European central banks undoubtedly

would immediately enter into a defensive arrangement, establishing

a new official price for transactions among themselves.

In due

course the U.S. would have to settle deficits in its payments

to those countries by sales of gold, and it presumably would

accept the price they had established.

events in the 1930's.

That was the course of

Accordingly, he thought that a cessation

of gold sales by the U.S. would lead directly to an increase in

the price of gold.

Chairman Martin then called for the go-around of comments

and views on economic conditions and monetary policy, beginning

with Mr. Treiber, who made the following statement:

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In the period since the last meeting of the Committee,

economic indicators have strengthened significantly, and

business sentiment has turned from apprehension to confi

dence. Retail sales have risen sharply according to

preliminary estimates, and a good start has been made

toward reduction of the inventory overhang. Housing

indicators have continued to be quite strong, and capital

spending appears to be on a high, and probably rising,

plateau. Defense spending now seems likely to exceed

earlier projections by a wide margin. The fiscal stimulus

in the second half of 1967 appears to be headed for a

record level, and cost-push pressures are apparent. The

tentative nature of some of the figures and the fact that

the figures cover only a short period counsel caution.

But it does seem probable that there will be renewed

economic growth at a fast and potentially inflationary

rate as the year progresses.

The international balance of payments situation is

highly unfavorable. The position of the dollar in the

exchange markets is weaker, and the London gold market

is more active at higher prices.

In the first quarter of 1967 the liquidity deficit,

before adjustment for special transactions, was almost

$5 billion on a seasonally adjusted annual rate. But a

number of special transactions arranged by the Treasury

have reduced the deficit to about a $2 billion rate.

Bank-reported capital movements and the merchandise

account improved, but there was deterioration with

respect to U.S. resident transactions involving both

new and outstanding foreign securities. There are

indications that U.S. corporations may be hoarding

balances abroad in anticipation of tighter investment

controls. And military expenditures abroad appear to be

increasing.

There have been substantial shifts of dollars from

foreign private holders to official holders, and a

reduction in our monetary reserves. In the first quarter

the official reserve transactions deficit appears to have

risen to about $6-1/2 billion on a seasonally adjusted

annual rate compared with $1 billion in the fourth quarter

of 1966, and a surplus for the year 1966.

Bank credit, money supply, and related liquidity

indicators have been very strong in 1967, reflecting the

expansive Federal Reserve policy and the efforts of most

sectors of the economy to bolster their liquidity positions.

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A longer perspective including the second half of 1966

seems more appropriate. On this basis the rates of bank

credit expansion and nonbank liquid asset growth appear

more moderate and are somewhat below the growth rates

of the 1961-64 period. While preliminary projections

indicate little growth in bank credit in May, such a

development should not be disturbing in view of the

sizable expansion over the last nine or ten months and

the large corporate tax payments due in June which should

stimulate bank credit growth at that time. Nor should it

be disturbing if there is a somewhat greater expansion in

May than now appears indicated.

It seems to us that economic and financial developments

counsel maintenance of about the prevailing conditions in

the money market. This conclusion is reinforced by the

need for an even keel in the light of the Treasury's current

financing operation, which should last throughout most of

the period until our next meeting.

The latter part of the second sentence of the draft

directive contains the words "and industrial output reduced

moderately."

In view of the small increase in the industrial

production index reported for March, and the inability to

make a precise estimate at this time of industrial production

in April, it seems to me that it would be preferable to

replace those words with the words "and apparently little

change in industrial production." With this modest change,

I think the draft is satisfactory.

The following comments are offered in response to the

Secretary's telegram of last week.1/

The volume of small consumer-type certificates of

deposit has continued to grow rapidly in the Second Federal

Reserve District, and the banks are finding the money they

obtain this way to be very expensive. Three New York City

banks have recently reduced their rates on consumer CD's:

two from 5 per cent to 4-3/4 per cent, and one from 5 per

cent to 4.8 per cent. Some banks have lessened the

attractiveness of their certificates by shortening available

1/ On April 27 Mr. Holland had sent the following telegram to

Reserve Bank Presidents:

"Board members indicate they would

appreciate any comments the Presidents might make at the FOMC

meeting May 2 concerning recent and prospective changes in rates

on consumer CD's and savings deposits within their respective

Districts."

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maturities, reducing maximum amounts, and restricting

eligible purchasers. A number of banks have cut down

their advertising efforts. It is likely that other

banks will reduce their rates before long. The rates

could easily go below 4-3/4 per cent if the mutual

savings banks cut their rates on savings deposits.

The mutual savings banks have generally been

paying 5 per cent on savings deposits since mid-1966

when rates were generally increased by 1/2 of a

percentage point. Savings bankers appear eager to

lower their rates but are worried about deposit losses

should the move to lower rates not be universal. To

date only one savings bank, a small one in upstate

New York, has reduced its rate from 5 per cent to

4-1/2 per cent, effective May 1. Some savings banks

seem to be looking to the regulatory agencies to impose

a lower maximum rate. Others are anxious to avoid

such a development. In any event, it seems likely that

the savings banks will wait as long as they can prior

to midyear before taking action. If there is no change

in the regulatory ceiling, it is possible, but by no

means certain, that one of the large savings banks

will announce a cut to 4-1/2 per cent beginning July 1.

Presumably other savings banks will follow the leader

with great relief.

Mr. Francis remarked that in response to Mr. Holland's

telegram fifteen bankers scattered throughout the St. Louis

District had been contacted with respect to recent and prospec

tive changes in rates on consumer CD's and savings deposits.

Those bankers, in turn, were able to report on recent activities

of at least seventy other banks in their immediate areas.

Generally,

rates had not been changed in the past two or three months, and

most bankers expected no change in the next month or two.

Rates on savings deposits were generally in the 3 to 4

per cent range, Mr. Francis said.

No changes in those rates had

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occurred in the past two or three months, and none were con

templated for the near future.

Banks in Memphis began compounding

savings accounts daily about a month ago, increasing somewhat the

effective rate.

Interest rates on consumer CD's were generally

in the 4 to 5 per cent range.

About 90 per cent of the banks had

not changed rates recently, and none of those banks said that it

was expecting to change rates in the near future.

A few banks

which paid relatively high rates on small CD's stated that they

had recently reduced their advertising for them.

At least six

suburban banks in the St. Louis metropolitan area reduced their

rates on small CD's from 5 per cent to either 4-3/4 per cent or

4-1/2 per cent recently.

Also, several rural banks in northern

Missouri had reduced rates on CD's from 5 per cent to 4-1/2 per

cent.

Mr. Francis commented that the pause in spending and pro

duction last fall and winter was of moderate proportions and was

probably a healthy development in view of the inflationary

pressures and other excesses of last year.

signs of ending.

The pause now showed

Businessmen in the Eighth District with whom

he had talked recently were generally optimistic about the sales

outlook for their products.

The most recent national data--though

they had to be used with caution--showed gains in retail sales,

personal incomes, industrial production, and construction, and an

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improvement in the inventory situation.

The large corporate and

municipal financing of the past two months indicated that invest

ment spending was likely to rise.

Such spending was consistent

with management's desire to offset increasing labor costs by

accelerating the introduction of labor saving devices.

The staff's

projections of total spending, contained in the green book, had

been revised upward, and the Administration remained firm in the

belief that a tax increase would be needed to avoid excessive

demands for goods and services later this year.

remained near capacity.

Economic activity

The weakening seemed to have been halted

and might already have been reversed.

Mr. Francis thought the marked shift in monetary develop

ments from contraction last summer and fall to rapid expansion in

the early months of this year had probably been a major factor in

the reversal of economic trends.

Since monetary developments were

generally believed to have their chief impact on spending after

some time lag,

significant growth of total demand might reasonably

be expected over the next few months as a result of recent monetary

expansion.

Despite the hesitation of recent months in total demand,

Mr. Francis remarked, industrial prices continued under pressure

from rising unit labor costs.

A rapid increase in spending,

combined with the cost-push pressures that were expected as major

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labor contracts were settled, could quickly cause an acceleration

of inflation.

Although short-term interest rates had declined in recent

months, Mr. Francis continued, long-term rates remained relatively

high, and some believed they were a restraining force on business

decisions.

The reverse reasoning might be nearer the truth-

namely, that the strength in business was bolstering rates.

Relatively high rates in the face of rapid expansion of bank

reserves, bank credit, and money generally indicated that credit

demands were vigorous.

Net borrowing by the Federal Government

had been a strong upward force on rates, but private demands for

credit had also been sizable.

The yield curve had shifted markedly as short-term rates

had declined and long-term rates had stabilized or increased,

Mr. Francis observed.

There were at least two explanations of

why such a yield curve shift might indicate forthcoming strength

in the economy.

First, a large volume of long-term financing

frequently preceded a rise in investment, raising long-term rates

and lowering short-term rates as funds were temporarily invested.

Secondly, a rise in long-term rates relative to short rates

indicated that both lenders and borrowers expected a general rate

increase.

That was probably because of expected increased economic

activity and demands for credit.

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As to policy for the next several months, Mr. Francis

preferred to see a more moderate rate of expansion of bank

reserves, bank credit, and money than had been achieved over

the past three months.

The major thrust of actions taken now

would probably not strike until late summer or early fall, given

the usual lags of effect.

Continuing the recent rapid monetary

expansion might add to an inflation that had not yet been brought

fully under control.

On the other hand, contracting the monetary

aggregates might foster recession.

Mr. Francis believed that for the next few weeks continua

tion of current money market conditions was probably the Committee's

best proximate objective and might be desirable during the Treasury's

refunding.

However, as insurance against undesired movements in

proximate measures of monetary action between meetings, he

suggested that a double-edged proviso clause be used in the

Committee's instructions to the Desk.

For example, if money rose

at a faster than 10 per cent annual rate from April to May, the

money market should be permitted to tighten; if money did not

expand at as much as a 6 per cent rate, market conditions should

be eased.

Those relatively high rates were in recognition of an

expected more-than-seasonal decline in Government demand deposits,

as pointed out in the blue book, and should be consistent with a

growth of money at about a 3 per cent rate over a three-month

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Money seemed preferable to bank credit in the proviso

clause because much of bank credit was intermediated funds.

However, if the Committee decided to use bank credit expansion

as an objective, a range of 1 to 4 per cent rate as projected in

the blue book might be appropriate from April to May.

That range

appeared consistent with a growth in bank credit at a 7 to 10 per

cent rate over a three-month period.

Mr. Kimbrel reported that credit availability was improv

ing at both banks and nonbanking financial institutions in the

Sixth District.

District banks, like banks elsewhere, had been

enjoying substantial gains in deposits, especially in time deposits

of the nonpassbook variety.

In mid-April, total time deposits

were up 25 per cent at an annual rate from the first of the year.

Flows into the savings and loan associations had been substantial.

Florida associations saw an all-time record net savings inflow

during the first quarter.

A spot check made last week of the

principal farm lenders also revealed a larger supply of loanable

funds than a year ago.

Although the District's banks had used the inflow of funds

chiefly to build up their liquidity, Mr. Kimbrel continued, recently

a greater share had been going into loans.

In March, loans at the

District's member banks rose at a seasonally adjusted annual rate

of 8.4 per cent.

In the four-week period ending April 19, business

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loans at the District's large banks apparently rose more than

seasonally, and gains were well distributed among most types of

industrial borrowers.

Although the demand for mortgages apparently

was not strong, mortgage lenders were making more loans, and

construction loans at the large banks were up in April.

Extensions

of consumer credit rose sharply in March.

An easing of rates was slowly developing, Mr. Kimbrel

noted.

Most District banks, after the lowering of the prime rate

by the money market banks, went along with the reduction in their

prime rates.

In Atlanta, savings and loan associations were

making mortgage loans at 6-1/2 to 6-3/4 per cent, with more being

made at 6-L/2 per cent than a few months ago.

Mortgage bankers

were discounting 6 per cent FHA's between 1-1/2 to 2 points with

a few prime loans at 1 per cent, compared with discounts of 7

points not so long ago.

Mr. Kimbrel said that District commercial bankers were

increasingly concerned about the rates they were paying on their

time certificates, especially those that had issued a large

volume with the guaranteed feature.

Right now, however, reductions

seemed to be more in the state of wishful thinking than in actuality,

presumably because of a fear of a run-off to competitive savings

institutions.

There had been isolated reductions such as that in

one Florida city where the rate on one-year certificates of deposit

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was cut from 5 to 4-1/2 per cent.

In Birmingham one large bank

cut its rate on CD's of over a year to 4-3/4 per cent, while

another withdrew its 5 per cent CD and now offered only a 5-year

4-1/2 per cent savings certificate.

In other areas of the

District some banks were de-emphasizing advertising for small

CD's.

Mr. Kimbrel observed that the quicker lending activity

seemed to be paralleled by a little more vigor in the District

economy generally.

Retail sales had picked up in March, and

there was a sharp upsurge in residential construction contract

awards.

However, although total nonfarm employment expanded in

March, there were further declines in manufacturing employment

and the average length of the workweek.

Nevertheless, the

unemployment rate continued at 3.5 per cent.

Perhaps more slowly than one might like, but rather

surely, Mr. Kimbrel said, the easier policy the System had been

following seemed to be taking effect, judging from the somewhat

limited observation of what was happening in the Sixth District.

A lack of time rather than any stringency in reserve availability

seemed to be the limiting factor.

Much the same developments

seemed to be occurring throughout the country.

Consequently, he

believed it would be on the side of prudence to wait a little

before making a decision toward increasing reserve availability

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even further.

On the other hand, the Committee should not allow

conditions to tighten merely because it had observed some improve

ment.

As a matter of fact, the System might be limited as to

what it could do by the Treasury refunding program.

Mr. Bopp reported that a telephone survey of 17 Third

District bankers revealed virtually no changes in rates on consumer

time and savings deposits in the recent past.

Furthermore, there

was little or no prospect for any changes in the near future.

As

one banker put it, the situation might turn around so fast that a

banker might regret lowering rates a small fraction at the present

time.

Philadelphia banks had been the only group to lower consumer

CD rates in the recent past, roughly one month ago.

Still, their

rates were at the upper end of the structure in the Third District.

No prospect for change in the near future appeared.

More noticeable had been a de-emphasis in promoting consumer

CD's, Mr. Bopp said.

Those that had promoted such CD's rather

aggressively in the past noted a marked slowdown in external promotion

at the present time.

About half the bankers surveyed indicated that

CD's continued to grow at past rates; another half noted a leveling

off.

Perhaps significantly, those who had slowed down promotion

and those who did not advertise had not experienced any more leveling

off than those who continued to promote such certificates actively.

It appeared, as he had already noted, that uncertainty over interest

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rates in the near future was responsible for the hesitation to

drop rates from their peak levels.

Mr. Bopp commented that it was tempting to seize on the

rash of relatively good news as a sign that the economic adjustment

was already over.

On the other hand, there was danger in dismissing

it too easily on the ground that one swallow did not make a summer.

His interpretation of national indicators was that something

different was happening.

He had seen more than one swallow.

at the local level confirmed that.

Surveys

But neither national nor local

developments suggested that the Committee's concern about the state

of the domestic economy should in any way be relaxed.

The Committee

could feel more confident that a serious recession did not lie ahead,

but the pace of expansion seemed likely to be rather slow.

Retailers in the Philadelphia area expected no significant

improvement in sales in the next couple of months, Mr. Bopp said,

but they looked for a pickup later in the year.

seemed cautiously optimistic.

Automobile dealers

So far in the second quarter, sales

apparently were experiencing a normal seasonal upturn.

He was

unable to detect concern about the fact that car inventories were

at a high level.

A survey of housing and mortgage conditions con

firmed the finding of over a month ago that housing was picking up

slowly. Although traffic through sample houses was heavier, there

was little evidence of brisk sales activity.

Potential buyers were

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deterred by a shortage of listings, higher prices of houses, anddespite significant change in recent months--persistently rather

tight mortgage terms.

Having restored their liquidity, Mr. Bopp continued, lenders

were now gearing up to extend credit.

High rates for savings

prevented them from cutting rates on mortgages.

Although a few banks

in large cities had cut their rates on consumer CD's and had

reduced advertising for savings, their CD rates remained generally

high and bankers expected them to continue high.

elements of a vicious circle here.

There were some

Demand for houses was picking

up, but until there was an increased volume of new houses available,

many families would hold off from selling; they now had no place to

move.

Demand for mortgage credit was heavier, but until institutions

could cut their savings rates, they were unlikely to cut their

mortgage rates.

Time would solve both of those problems, but time

would delay the favorable impact on the economy.

Probably the most encouraging development of all, Mr. Bopp

said, was that employment had not been affected more drastically

by the adjustment in production.

If, as the staff suggested in the

green book, the unemployment rate rose in the next several months

to 4 per cent or above, the more optimistic observers might change

their tunes.

But to the extent that the increase came about

because new entrants to the labor force were unable to find jobs,

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rather than because of layoffs, the real impact on psychology,

incomes, and spending might not be so great.

So far as the real part of the economy was concerned, there

fore, evidence suggested to Mr. Bopp that the "even keel" posture

required by Treasury operations would be appropriate.

His only

concern was for the possible movement of interest rates, given the

expected continued heavy borrowing in capital markets.

He would

be inclined to focus a no-change policy primarily on rates, with a

particularly sharp eye on longer-term rates.

If it was necessary

to increase free reserves to the upper end of the range projected

by the staff in order to hold rates where they were, he would urge

that that be done.

Mr. Hickman felt that it was more difficult than usual at

this time to make a correct policy decision, even with the best

information available in the green book and in documents prepared

by his staff.

Almost all of the information on key sectors of

the economy seemed woefully incomplete, inaccurate, or untimely.

The GNP data for the first quarter would evidently be subject to

considerable revision, and there was almost no information beyond

March.

Moreover, February-March changes were suspect because of

special factors such as weather, labor stoppages, and the Easter

holiday.

He was convinced that the Federal Government simply did

not spend enough money to obtain appropriate informational guides

for policymaking.

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Serious structural imbalances apparently remained in the

economy, Mr. Hickman continued, although the danger of a cumulative

decline had perhaps been eliminated, if one could take the data

seriously.

The ratio of inventories to sales was apparently still

rising, and order backlogs were declining.

The inventory adjustment

was probably not over, although it would not be known what had

happened in that area for many weeks.

InEormation available for April indicated that the rate of

insured unemployment was unchanged in the nation and in the Fourth

District in the four weeks through April 22, Mr. Hickman said.

In

the District, only one major market area had a rate of insured

unemployment below a year earlier, with rates in many areas con

siderably higher, due mainly to layoffs in autos and steel.

Steel

output declined generally in April, and to a greater extent in the

Fourth District than in the nation.

Currently, expectations were

that steel output would rise slightly in May, on a seasonally

adjusted basis, but would remain below the first-quarter level.

Auto sales had strengthened recently, but preliminary estimates

indicated that, even with stepped-up schedules, production

(seasonally adjusted) would decline in May.

In view of the major Treasury refunding now under way,

Mr. Hickman observed, the Committee had no choice but to maintain

an "even keel" policy over the next few weeks, and to foster a

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receptive tone in the market.

Nevertheless, he would like to see

the Committee do what it could to hold long-term bond yields at or

below present levels so as to encourage plant and equipment spending,

and promote a good flow of funds through the mortgage market.

That

called for at least as much monetary ease as had prevailed since

the Committee's last meeting, with the major reserve and credit

measures rising at about the same pace as in April.

Mr. Hickman reported that an informal survey of savings

deposits at 21 banks in the Fourth District revealed that ten banks

had lowered interest rates on consumer-type CD's between 1/4 and

1/2 per cent since the beginning of the year, with most of the

reductions occurring in April.

Of the 11 banks that had not changed

rates, seven had never paid more than 4-1/2 per cent, and four were

still offering 5 per cent--although three of the latter group were

considering a reduction.

All banks were paying the maximum 4 per

cent rate on passbook savings except one, and no bank expected to

reduce rates in the near term.

Several banks indicated a shortening

of maximum maturities, greater selectivity in offering CD's to other

than established customers, and reduced advertising efforts to

attract new consumer-type CD's.

Mr. Sherrill said that he would not make a statement today.

Mr. Brimmer remarked that he was finding the Reserve Bank

Presidents' reports regarding rates on time deposits in their

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respective Districts to be highly interesting.

The question of time

deposit rates was likely to be arising frequently over coming months,

and he hoped that the System would be able to resist pressures to

reduce the Regulation Q ceilings in order to lower those rates.

He

would prefer to avoid frequent changes in the ceiling rates; for the

present it would be desirable to wait to see what banks would do on

their own.

With respect to open market policy, Mr. Brimmer continued,

he was concerned about the level of long-term interest rates.

The

Committee might be moving toward restraint later this year, and it

would be better not to enter a period of restraint with the level

and structure of rates that now existed.

The current Treasury

financing would, of course, inhibit efforts to lower long-term rates

at this time, but he would hope that efforts would be made to resist

increases, insofar as that was consistent with the need to maintain

an even keel.

Given the volume of security issues coming to market,

he thought that maintenance of an even keel might require free

reserves near the upper end of the $150 - $300 million range men

tioned in the blue book, although he would be reluctant to specify

a $300 million figure as appropriate.

Mr. Maisel commented that the System seemed to be doing a

good job of rebuilding the liquidity of the economy, and at the rate

things were going the Committee probably should be prepared to move

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toward more normal expansion rates in reserves and bank credit some

time after the June 15 tax date.

He agreed that in the interim the

Committee should not act in a way that would encourage a shift in

expectations.

At the moment, the market's expectations for bond

prices probably were more pessimistic than the underlying situation

warranted.

However, if those expectations were resulting in

unusually large demands for long-term funds, it should be the posture

of the System to help out by directing as large a part as possible

of its purchases into longer-term securities.

Mr. Daane remarked that the primary consideration for policy

at the moment was that a large-scale Treasury refunding was in process,

to which the market reaction was still uncertain.

Mr. Treiber had

said that current economic conditions warranted maintaining pre

vailing money market conditions and that the Treasury financing

reinforced that conclusion; he (Mr. Daane) would put the main emphasis

on the financing in concluding that an even keel policy was necessary.

He suspected, Mr. Daane continued, that the recent increases

in long-term rates despite the shift of policy toward greater ease

reflected the reaction of market participants to the developments

of last year.

Those rate increases served as a useful reminder to

the Committee that it could not always expect to be able to offset

the effects of market forces on the level and structure of rates.

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Mr. Daane said that he supported Mr. Brimmer's suggestion

that the System should not attempt to move time deposit rates up

and down by changing the Regulation Q ceilings.

As to the directive,

he was troubled by the proviso clause, particularly if it were to

be interpreted in terms of the blue book projection for May of bank

credit growth at an annual rate in the range of only 1 to 4 per

cent.

While the proviso probably would not do any real harm, in

view of the difficulties of formulating it in an appropriate way

at this juncture he would prefer to eliminate it entirely.

Mr. Mitchell said he agreed with the staff analysis today

and had little to add to the subsequent comments.

He had no strong

feelings about the proviso clause, and was agreeable to retaining

it as drafted, making it a two-way clause, or deleting it.

He agreed

with Mr. Treiber that there was a flaw in the language of the phrase

in the draft directive relating to industrial production.

As he

understood the matter, the decline in output was continuing.

Accordingly, he would suggest replacing the phrase, "with . .

industrial output reduced moderately" by the phrase, "with . .

industrial output still being reduced moderately."

Mr. Maisel commented that the phrase in the staff's draft

was appropriate if the reference was to the first quarter.

Mr. Brill remarked that the staff had in mind the fact that

industrial production in the first quarter had declined at an annual

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rate of 5 per cent from the fourth quarter, and also that the best

current estimate for April was for some further decline.

He empha

sized, however, that the April figure was an estimate, and that the

decline expected in that month was slight.

Messrs. Treiber, Mitchell, and Daane all indicated that it

was not clear from the draft language that the reference intended

was primarily to first-quarter developments.

Mr. Daane added that

it seemed preferable to him to refer to more current developments,

as Mr. Mitchell had suggested, in a directive that was updated at

each meeting.

Mr. Ratchford said that he would first report briefly on

changes in rates paid on small CD's and savings deposits in the

Fifth District.

No changes in rates paid on savings deposits, nor

any intentions to change, had been found.

At least four fairly

large banks had reduced their rates on small CD's from 5 to 4-1/2

per cent within the past month, of which one was in Baltimore, one

in Washington, and two in Virginia, but none in Richmond.

A large

North Carolina bank had reduced its rate from 5 to 4-3/4 per cent.

A small bank in West Virginia had raised its rate from 4 to 4-1/2

per cent for selected customers.

One of the reductions was in

Roanoke and was followed by a considerable number of smaller banks

in the area, but elsewhere the reductions apparently were not

followed by other banks.

Some of the banks which had not reduced

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rates were either encouraging or requiring shorter maturities and

one had imposed a maximum of $50,000 on amounts accepted.

Mr. Ratchford then noted that the slowing trend in business

activity which had prevailed in the Fifth District for some time

had become less distinct.

The picture now was more spotty, with

small gains reported in several areas.

That was accompanied by

slightly more optimistic expectations on the part of both business

men and bankers.

Inventories were still heavy, especially in the

textile and furniture industries, and manufacturers continued to

report considerable weakness in new and unfilled orders, but the

number reporting slight gains had risen.

Almost all textile

manufacturers reported lower prices received for finished goods.

Nonagricultural employment declined slightly in March but at the

same time the rate of insured unemployment declined in every District

State except one.

There was also a small decline in man-hours in

manufacturing but it was much smaller than the large drop which had

occurred in February.

Inadequate moisture in many parts of the

District had delayed the growth of some crops and the seeding of

others.

Mr. Ratchford observed that the Richmond Bank's analysis of

national economic conditions was quite similar to that in the staff

materials and in the comments around the table today, so he would

make only two points.

First, it was remarkable that such great

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strides had been made in bringing the growth of inventories under

control with only a modest slowing of industrial production.

The

March figures on manufacturers' inventories reported in this

morning's newspapers indicated that the inventory adjustment was

continuing.

A second outstanding feature of the adjustment was

that it was not proving to be cumulative.

It might well be that

the massive supplies of reserves provided by the System in recent

months had averted the chain reactions in the financial areas which

often caused declines to feed on themselves.

As for monetary policy, Mr. Ratchford said, he shared the

views that had already been expressed.

In light of the very large

amounts of reserves already supplied and the indications of a

turnaround in expectations of the economic outlook, he thought that

the time had arrived for a breathing spell, even apart from the

Treasury financing.

Accordingly, he favored no change in policy

and considered the draft directive appropriate.

Mr. Clay reported that a check in major cities of the Tenth

District indicated that most city commercial banks paying 5 percent

on consumer time deposits in recent months had reduced the interest

rates they now paid for such deposits.

He noted that most of the

city banks had been at the 5 per cent rate.

in the rates paid on savings deposits.

No change had been made

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However, Mr. Clay continued, the changes in time deposit

terms were not universal, and the types of changes made varied

considerably.

In some instances, the change made was in the maximum

amount for which 5 per cent would be paid, such as $15,000, with the

rate limited to 4 or 4-1/2 per cent for larger amounts.

In other

cases, the maximum rate paid on any amount had been reduced to

4-1/2 or 4-3/4 per cent, with individual accounts limited in size

or larger amounts subject to negotiation as to terms.

In a number

of cases, the maximum maturity had been reduced, but that was by no

means universal.

Only a few banks specified that they contemplated

future reductions in time deposit interest rates, and those were

invariably contingent upon reduction in rates paid by competing

savings and loan associations or other commercial banks.

Mr. Clay noted that adequate information was not available

for generalizing about Tenth District commercial banks in smaller

cities and towns.

Information had become available, however,

indicating reductions or contemplated reductions in interest rates

paid on time deposits by a number of such banks.

That had been a

subject of intense discussion among bankers in recent weeks, and it

was reasonable to assume that such actions by country banks were in

excess of those known by the Reserve Bank.

Mr. Clay pointed out that since last fall the Federal Reserve

System had taken stimulative action on a major scale.

While monetary

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policy should continue expansive, it seemed logical to proceed

somewhat less aggressively for the present.

Business prospects

looked stronger than earlier in the year, even though the situation

was not altogether clear.

Moreover, possible larger military demands

upon the economy, arising out of the war in southeast Asia, had to

be accorded careful evaluation.

For the period immediately ahead, the current Treasury

financing program appeared to Mr. Clay to call for the maintenance

of essentially the prevailing money market conditions.

He thought

it would be desirable to have moderately greater expansion in bank

credit than that indicated in the blue book as probable under

even-keel money market conditions, but at a somewhat lesser rate

than in recent months.

Accordingly, it would be desirable to aim

toward such a goal insofar as that could be accomplished within

essentially prevailing money market conditions.

Mr. Clay proposed revising the proviso clause of the draft

economic policy directive to read "and to attaining somewhat greater

bank credit expansion than currently anticipated, if Treasury

financing permits."

Mr. Scanlon remarked that April saw a pronounced improve

ment in views of the economic outlook for the remainder of 1967.

Seventh District bankers and businessmen increasingly were confident

that the decline in activity registered in the first quarter of the

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year would not cumulate in the second quarter, and that the second

half would see renewed growth.

Those attitudes were based in part

on recent indications of an uptrend in retail trade, the rapidity

of inventory adjustments, the highly expansive posture of monetary

policy, and the probability that defense spending would accelerate.

Loan demand at major banks in the Seventh District continued

strong relative to the country as a whole, Mr. Scanlon said.

That

strength seemed to be concentrated in the commercial and industrial

area.

To accommodate that demand, the major Chicago banks had been

heavy purchasers of Federal funds.

They had not made aggressive

efforts to get CD money, which might suggest that no strong upward

surge in loan demand was expected or, more likely, that they would

not be back in that market until absolutely necessary.

With regard to rates on consumer CD's and savings deposits,

Mr. Scanlon continued, there was much discussion of possible rate

changes among both banks and savings and loan associations but

relatively little action.

Conversations indicated that literally

everyone would like to see someone announce a forthright reduction.

But the demand for bank loans had been strong enough to forestall

such a move.

Most of the banks and savings and loan associations

had stopped advertising for 5 per cent CD money, and some had

reduced the amounts they would accept and shortened the maturity.

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-71Mr. Scanlon noted that there had been a meeting yesterday

of the National Agricultural Credit Committee at the Chicago Reserve

Bank.

Participants included the major lenders to agriculture-

mortgage and nonreal estate.

To summarize the discussion, it appeared

that mortgage loans made in recent months and commitments were both

down sharply from a year ago.

A few lenders had recently sought to

increase commitments but had found that farmers were holding back

in the hope that interest rates would decline.

Policy loans of

insurance companies were down from the high volume of last fall but

still ran two to three times the normal monthly volume,

Delinquencies

on principal and interest payments and foreclosures of outstanding

loans were at very low levels, as were rates of repayment of out

standing loans.

Banks and other lenders were generally expected to

be able to accommodate the prospective demand for farm loans--both

short-term and long-term--in 1967 at about current interest rates.

Many farmers had had losses of $20 to $30 per head on fed-cattle

marketed in recent weeks; a few had reported even larger losses.

Farm land prices had risen rapidly in recent months but were thought

to be rising much less rapidly now.

The Farm Credit Administration

had sought Congressional action to raise or eliminate the 6 per cent

ceiling on interest rates they could charge farmers on mortgage

loans and on the rates they could pay on debentures.

The first was

rejected--no Congressman would introduce the measure--and the second

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was approved with the greatest reluctance by both the Congress and

the President.

One FCA official responding to criticism from the

insurance company representatives stated, "Apparently we will

make mortgage loans within a 6 per cent ceiling or not at all."

As to policy, Mr. Scanlon concluded, he favored maintaining

the prevailing conditions in the money market, and his interpreta

tion of that was the one given in the blue book.

He found the

draft directive acceptable, although he would be just as happy

without the proviso for this period and he believed that Mr. Mitchell's

point regarding the language of the first paragraph had merit.

Mr. Galusha observed that reports of the April storms which

had crossed the great plains were disturbing.

The climax, the

blizzard of the last five days--which stretched over eastern Idaho,

Wyoming, the Dakotas, Montana, and into Alberta--was truly severe.

It was being called the worst in history, at least in its economic

impact.

Coming as it had right at the height of lambing and calving,

the storm would likely have far-reaching consequences, although

principally within the District.

District retailers were going to

know that there had been a storm, and so were the country banks.

The storm should relieve some of the present pressure on their

swollen coffers.

country banks.

For of late, loan demand had not been strong at

They seemed to be relatively liquid and probably

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would be able to meet emergency loan demands without great

difficulty.

The loan demand at District city banks had, however,

been very strong.

It was possibly the imbalance in District loan demands

which explained differences of opinion about the financial out

look, Mr. Galusha said.

Some bankers were talking about declines

in deposit and share rates and further declines in loan rates.

It

was difficult to know, however, whether that was prophecy or hope.

Anyway, there were others predicting that fall would see a return

to higher loan rates.

It seemed to him that that was the dominant

expectation, and, as such, he believed it explained why consumer

rates had not yet been moved lower.

In the Minneapolis Bank's

sampling, it had found changes only in Minnesota, where two banks

had lowered their rates on savings certificates from 5 to 4-1/2

per cent, several banks indicated they were not accepting new large

CD's at a 5 per cent rate, and one bank had reduced its passbook

rate from 3 per cent to 2 per cent, which he doubted would be a

pace setter.

In a way, then, Mr. Galusha remarked, it was too bad that so

many of those engaged in finance were doubtful--indeed, understand

ably doubtful--about the chances of getting a tax increase early in

1968.

That, it seemed to him, was ultimately why consumer and

long-term rates had proved so sticky.

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Mr. Galusha thought it also was too bad that the Committee

could not be surer about a tax increase.

Were it more certain, it

could confidently press further in the direction of monetary ease,

and so ease the members' minds about once again having to start off

a period of more rapid economic growth from a historically very high

level of long-term rates.

But without greater assurance about an

increase in tax rates, there must be some little doubt about how

much further the Committee could prudently press.

There was much

for the Committee to be uncomfortable about as it contemplated the

economic and political environment that would be confronting it

next fall or winter.

The battle might have been won, but hardly

the war--literally or figuratively.

The economy was still badly

dislocated by Vietnam and there was little reason to believe normal

forces of market allocation would be restored very soon.

However, Mr. Galsuah concluded, all of those remarks were

distinctly academic this morning, since an even keel was certainly

appropriate in light of the Treasury refunding.

Mr. Swan reported that manufacturing employment in the

Twelfth District had remained virtually unchanged in March for

the third consecutive month, and the over-all rate of unemployment

rose by only 0.1 to 4.6 per cent.

declined, housing starts had risen.

below their year-ago level.

Although construction employment

However, starts remained well

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-75Mr. Swan noted that the larger banks in the District were

still net buyers of Federal funds, but in somewhat smaller amounts

than in earlier weeks.

The Reserve Bank's check with commercial

banks in the larger centers indicated that no changes were antic

ipated in the 4 per cent rate paid on passbook savings accounts.

With respect to rates on consumer CD's, the 5 per cent rate

remained general in San Francisco and Los Angeles, but there had

been a few reductions below that level in other major cities.

A

few reports of somewhat less active advertising for funds had been

received, and one bank indicated that special approval was now

required before larger amounts would be accepted.

However, a

Los Angeles bank had recently announced a new one-year, 5 per

cent "savings bond" which was a certificate issued in amounts from

$100 to $100,000.

In general, rates offered by banks in the area

were related to the 5-1/4 per cent rate paid by California savings

and loan associations.

There was a feeling among both types of

institutions that it would be desirable for rates to come down but

they all seemed to be waiting for someone else to act.

The hope

was that the regulatory authorities would lower ceiling rates.

With respect to policy, Mr. Swan thought that the Treasury

financing, the general shift toward a more optimistic attitude on

the economic outlook, the Committee's success in achieving declines

in short-term rates, and the substantial expansion in bank credit

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all argued for no change at this point, despite recent increases

in long-term rates.

He could accept the staff's draft directive,

with the change in the phrase relating to industrial production

that Mr. Mitchell had suggested.

He would be willing to include

the proviso clause as drafted or have it eliminated entirely, but

he would not favor a two-way proviso clause at this point.

The

slight increase in bank credit projected by the staff for May was

acceptable to him but he would hope that the phrase, "if bank credit

appears to be expanding significantly less than currently antic

ipated" would be interpreted to mean that an actual decline in

bank credit over the next three weeks would be avoided, if that

was possible within the constraints imposed by an even keel policy.

Avoiding a bank credit decline should be one of the Committee's

objectives at present whether or not a proviso clause was included

in the directive.

Mr. Coldwell remarked that the economy of the Eleventh

District was heavily reliant upon a few diverse and widely

differing sectors which currently were moving moderately in

divergent directions.

Strength was continuing from the large defense

manufacturing plants and the extensive military installations.

New

support was developing in construction activities, including

residential, highway, and municipal facilities.

Oil and gas

production had weakened but chemical and petrochemical industries

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were still expanding.

Agriculture had declined sharply under the

onslaught of reduced cotton acreage, near drought conditions, and

poor cattle grazing.

The April 1 wheat estimates might prove

optimistic at 24 per cent under last year's crop.

Declining prices

were reducing income, and cash receipts were 28 per cent below 1966.

District financial conditions reflected April tax borrowing,

increased investments in non-Government securities, and a sizable

decline in large CD's offset by demand deposit growth, Mr. Coldwell

said.

Uncertainty in deposit-loan trends, aggressive competition

for funds--even of two-year maturity--at large banks, and uneven

loan demands characterized District banking today.

Bankers were

worrying about rapid advances in interest costs and loss of deposits

to aggressive banks.

Prudence argued against their being panicked

into a rate or maturity war, but deposit declines, customer losses,

and higher than normal loan-deposit ratios counseled differently.

As usual, the smaller banks in outlying areas looked to the Federal

Reserve to protect them.

They wondered if Regulation Q ceilings

moved only upward.

Mr. Coldwell noted that the Reserve Bank had made a survey

of time deposit interest rates at 22 banks--half reserve city and

half country banks.

There had been no change in the 4 per cent

pattern on savings deposit rates and there was no prospect of

change, but the pattern with respect to changes in consumer CD

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rates was mixed.

In 1966 and early 1967 such rates had moved to

5 per cent in and near metropolitan areas.

In April there had

been some scattered reductions to 4-3/4 and 4-1/4 per cent in

areas of largely conservative bankers, involving ten of the 22

banks surveyed.

Dollar limits per customer were coming down and

maturities also were being reduced.

As to the future, the

observation made for other Districts held true in the Eleventh

District also--nobody wanted to lead, but they would be delighted

if someone would act for them in reducing rates.

In selected

areas strong loan demand was limiting bank willingness to slow

time deposit inflow.

Savings and loan associations in many cities

reportedly were ready to cut their rates on July 1.

In concluding comments, Mr. Coldwell noted that a director

of the Reserve Bank, whose bank was located 60 miles from Dallas,

wanted his view brought to Washington that the Board should lower

the ceilings on consumer CD's to cut big-city competition for his

deposits.

Aggressive bankers were still willing to pay the top

rate even for two-year maturities to obtain funds for further

growth and loan expansion.

Mr. Ellis remarked that spring had been more of a calendar

notation than a change of seasons in New England.

With full sympathy

for those who were snowed in on Sunday in the Dakotas, he could

report that New England had had snowstorms, freezing cold, and work

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interruptions up to just last Monday.

That had meaning for District

economic statistics, such as those covering hours worked and retail

sales, especially of autos, and accordingly it flavored some of the

business performance in the period under review.

Mr. Ellis noted that the Boston Bank's latest regional

index of manufacturing production derived from an employment survey

made during the week including March 15 in which there had been 10

inches of snow and temperatures had fallen as much as 21 degrees

below normal.

In some ways it was good news to learn that the

index had dropped only two points in the month, holding one point

above its March 1966 level.

He found the projection surveys so

heavily influenced by one or a few very large defense producers

that it became difficult to appraise their meaning for the whole

District.

Reports from 193 firms showed that first-quarter sales

rose 2 per cent from the fourth quarter of 1966.

If a single

aircraft manufacturer was added, however, the sample total showed

an increase of 15 per cent.

It was quite clear, however, that the

pressure on the labor market had not abated.

Starting wages in

Boston (including those at the Reserve Bank) were being raised

this week and last from $60 to $65 a week.

That also was largely

a paper record since it was next to impossible to obtain and/or

to hold employees at that wage level.

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In the financial picture, Mr. Ellis said, the most notable

change in recent weeks had been a thawing in rates.

Five of the

10 Boston banks lowered their rates on mortgages from 6-1/4 per

cent to 6 per cent (75 per cent mortgage basis).

Also, brokers

were being offered finder's fees to bring in customers, a practice

that vanished about a year ago.

lower rates on savings.

Savings banks had been slow to

Only one savings bank in the sample moved

last month and that was down from 4-3/8 to 4-1/4 per cent.

District

commercial banks, however, had quite generally reduced rates paid

on deposits.

Within the past few weeks (as of April 24) seven of

the eight largest New England banks had lowered the rates they

paid on consumer-type CD's, the most common drop being from 5 per

cent to 4 per cent.

Mr. Ellis noted that new commitments by the large insurance

companies in the District recovered in March to their average level

for the first quarter of 1965, before the policy loan breakout had

assumed epidemic proportions.

Policy loans continued falling,

although the March outflow was still more than double early-1965

outflows.

With respect to monetary policy, Mr. Ellis said that the

desirability of maintaining prevailing money market conditions

during the current Treasury financing could be safely acknowledged

in view of improvement, documented in the background materials, in

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business sentiment and outlook.

Having been embarrassed at other

recent meetings by his disagreements with the staff regarding the

outlook, he took comfort today in agreeing with the analyses of

Messrs. Brill and Partee.

He would like to highlight the first

quarter strength of final demand; between the fourth quarter of

1966 and the first quarter of 1967, final takings had expanded by

$16 billion (annual rate), of which the Federal Government accounted

for only $3.3 billion.

Consumer spending expanded by $8.1 billion,

and the saving rate in the first quarter was now calculated at 6.1

per cent rather than 7 per cent as shown in the GNP projection of

four weeks ago.

Over-all GNP was presently recorded as rising by

$5 billion in the first quarter, but since the preliminary estimates

for the quarter depended heavily on data covering the weaker months

of January and February, he anticipated that they would be revised

upward, perhaps substantially.

Mr. Ellis said he was frank to confess that that retrospec

tive view colored his attitude toward monetary policy appropriate

for the next several months.

Starting with a conviction that there

was strong underlying demand from consumers, business, and government

at all levels, it was quite natural to conclude that the Committee

should avoid inflating that demand further by credit creation beyond

the economy's basic growth needs.

He was reminded of a recent

comment by Mr. Shepardson to the effect that the Committee should

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feel committed to reshape policy toward lessened ease just as

readily as it had moved to create ease last fall.

In terms of the next three weeks, Mr. Ellis thought that

the pattern described in the first paragraph on page 4 of the blue

book was entirely appropriate.1 /

However, if the projection of

bank credit expansion in May at an annual rate in the range of

1 to 4 per cent was fulfilled, it would be the first time that

such a modest rate had prevailed since the Committee's policy

change in November.

His own expectation was for a higher rate of

credit expansion.

In that context, Mr. Ellis said, he would point out that

the proviso clause in the draft directive was completely silent

on what action the Manager should take in the event bank credit

expansion during May substantially exceeded present expectationsrising, say, at a rate twice as fast as projected, or continuing

to expand at the 12.9 per cent average rate that had prevailed

since November.

The proposed clause would direct the Manager to

1/ The paragraph mentioned read as follows: "Maintenance

of prevailing money market conditions over the next three weeks

would involve a Federal funds rate averaging 4 per cent or a

shade below and a 3-month bill rate fluctuating generally in

a 3.65 - 3.85 per cent range. Member bank borrowings are likely

to be in the $100 - $200 million area. Free reserves could vary

more widely, perhaps in a $150 to $300 million range, depending

in part on bank reserve management policies, on dealer financing

needs and reinvestment flows associated with the Treasury refund

ing, and the need to maintain an 'even keel' monetary posture."

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ease if the rate of bank credit expansion fell below the expected

1 to 4 per cent range.

To be consistent, the clause should be

amplified to include some expression about desired action if bank

credit again surged, or it should be deleted entirely.

He was

inclined to agree that it would be difficult to frame an appro

priate symmetrical clause at this juncture, and accordingly he

would urge the Committee to omit the proviso clause.

Mr. Robertson then made the following statement:

Like all the rest of you, I have been gratified

by the signs of an improved business outlook that have

appeared since we last met. While I recognize that

our economic adjustment is not yet over, it seems to

be proceeding constructively. Recession talk seems

to have evaporated, and I have the impression that,

barring major strikes, a fairly vigorous resumption

of economic expansion can easily be under way by the

end of the summer.

That outlook has particular pertinence to our

present deliberations, because, given the admitted

lags in the influence of monetary policy, it is

probably the trend of GNP beginning next fall--and

running into next year--that we shall be influencing

the most with what we vote to do, or not to do, today.

To me, that trend looks so promising that further

aggressive monetary stimulus at this time would be

unwarranted. I think we have come a long way in our

reversal of monetary policy since last fall, and it

has done much to contribute to the brevity and relative

painlessness of the current readjustment. Whether I

look back or look ahead, therefore, what I see makes

me reasonably satisfied to hold our policy right where

it is--on "even keel"--whether or not we had a Treasury

financing in process.

Some observers, I realize, are much more concerned

than I about the current state of the financial markets.

The money market surely is comfortable, and reserve

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availability is ample; but the long-term bond markets

are undeniably very soggy. The basic reason is equally

obvious. Those market participants are smart, too. They

can read economic signals just as we can, and at least

some of the time they are every bit as right. If a

vigorous economic expansion is in the cards later this

year, it makes good business sense for supplies and

demands for funds in the bond markets to shift in such

a way as to hold up bond rates, and that is just what

has happened.

What should we do about it? You all know how I feel

about our dabbling in long-term bond markets. In the

current situation, moreover, with economic sentiment so

much stronger, it would undoubtedly take large and

sustained operations by us to markedly lower bond ratesand the resultant greatly increased reserve availability

might finance a credit and spending bulge whose timing

would prove to be very badly wrong in hindsight.

Excessive ease now might well increase the chances of

our reaping both an excessive rise in demands toward

year-end and some nasty tightening consequences in the

financial system as we tried to undo what we had done.

I, for one, would much prefer to hold at something

like our present posture for as long as we reasonably

can, so long as the economic adjustment continues to

show signs of proceeding satisfactorily and credit flows

remain ample to all major sectors of the community.

Mr. Robertson added that while he could accept the directive

drafted by the staff, he would prefer to incorporate Mr. Mitchell's

suggested change in the first paragraph and he would certainly

prefer Mr. Clay's suggestion with respect to the proviso clause.

He did not agree with Mr. Ellis that there was great danger that the

projected growth rate in bank credit would be outrun in the weeks

ahead, and accordingly he did not think a two-way proviso was neces-

sary at this time.

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-85Chairman Martin commented that there was a high degree of

agreement today with respect to policy, and the only problem seemed

to be that of deciding on language for the directive.

Mr. Maisel commented that he shared the view that the proviso

clause should be deleted.

Chairman Martin said that he also thought the proviso clause

might be omitted for this period.

The staff might attempt to

formulate an appropriate version of the clause for Committee consid

eration at the next meeting.

The Committee then resumed the earlier discussion of the

second sentence of the first paragraph of the directive, and reached

agreement on language.

By unanimous vote, the Federal

Reserve Bank of New York was authorized

and directed, until otherwise directed

by the Committee, to execute transactions

in the System Account in accordance with

the following current economic policy

directive:

The economic and financial developments reviewed at

this meeting suggest that prospects for renewed economic

expansion have improved. The adjustment of excessive

inventories is proceeding, as a result of the reduced

level of industrial output and with consumer buying

strengthening. Average wholesale prices have declined

recently, reflecting reductions in farm and food prices

and stability in prices of industrial commodities; but

unit labor costs in manufacturing have risen further.

Bank credit expansion has moderated in recent weeks from

its earlier rapid rate. Long-term interest rates have

risen considerably under the influence of heavy securities

market financing and more optimistic market appraisals of

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the business outlook, but short-term yields have declined

further following the recent reduction in Reserve Bank

discount rates. Interest rates abroad have continued

to decline and some further reductions have been made in

foreign central bank discount rates. The balance of

payments deficit has remained substantial despite some

improvement in the foreign trade surplus. In this

situation, it is the Federal Open Market Committee's

policy to foster money and credit conditions, including

bank credit growth, conducive to renewed economic expan

sion, while recognizing the need for progress toward

reasonable equilibrium in the country's balance of

payments.

To implement this policy, while taking account of

the current Treasury financing, System open market operations

until the next meeting of the Committee shall be conducted

with a view to maintaining the prevailing conditions in

the money market.

Chairman Martin then observed that the Committee had planned

to pursue its discussion today of the implications for its procedures

of the "Freedom of Information Act."

He noted that the earlier staff

memoranda on this subject had been supplemented by a memorandum from

Mr. Hackley dated April 26, 1967,1/ and he invited Mr. Hackley to

open the discussion.

Mr. Hackley said that he would confine his remarks to the

principal points at issue, including several questions that had

been raised by members of the Committee in the discussion of the

Freedom of Information Act at the March 7 meeting.

The first was

whether the Act would require publication in the Federal Register

1/ A copy of this memorandum has been placed in the Committee's

files.

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of the current economic policy directives and the other authorizations

and directives of the Committee.

He had reviewed that question

further and had decided that those instruments were clearly "state

ments of general policy" of the type for which publication was

required, and that none of the exemptions listed in the Act applied

to them.

It had been suggested that the Committee might seek an

Executive Order to have them exempted.

However, the Act provided

for such Executive Orders only where secrecy was required "in the

interest of the national defense or foreign policy," and that would

not seem to him to apply to the domestic operations of the Committee.

On the other hand, it would appear appropriate to seek an Executive

Order exempting Reserve Bank operations in the foreign currency area.

He had learned only yesterday that the Treasury had referred to the

Department of Justice a request for an exemptive Executive Order

covering all of its foreign currency operations, including those of

the Stabilization Fund.

The Committee might wish to consider making

a similar request.

A second question discussed at the March 7 meeting, Mr. Hackley

continued, concerned the time lag with which the Committee's

directives might be published under the requirement that statements

of general policy be published "currently."

On that point he still

felt that a 60-day lag would be more defensible than one of 90 days,

but he did not mean to say that the 90-day lag would be indefensible.

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He had reason to believe that if the question were tested in court

the Justice Department would support a lag of either 60 or 90 days.

With respect to the Committee's minutes, Mr. Hackley said,

the staff was agreed that it would be desirable to divide them into

"action minutes" and "memoranda of discussion."

The latter, which

would be similar in form to the documents heretofore described as

"minutes," would be exempt from disclosure as intra-agency memoranda.

The action minutes would not be exempt, but he thought that would

not present any great problem.

Mr. Hackley observed that the Legal Division had drafted

proposed new "Rules regarding availability of information" to

replace the corresponding present Rules of the Committee.

The

proposed new Rules were framed in general language and did not appear

to pose much of a problem.

The principal question on which Committee

guidance was needed related to the time-lag for publication of

directives.

More troublesome than the language of the Rules was

the problem of identifying and characterizing records--particularly

records held at the New York Bank.

It was necessary to determine

which were in fact records of the Committee subject to the Act, and

of those which appeared clearly to fall within the statutory exemp

tions.

That matter was now under study both at the New York Bank

and the Board, and he would hope that by the time of the next meeting

the staff would be able to make definite recommendations.

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In conclusion, Mr. Hackley noted that the Department of

Justice Manual for the guidance of Government agencies in complying

with the Act was expected to be issued some time in the latter part

of May, so that additional guidelines might be available by the

time of the next meeting.

Also, the Legal Division wanted to explore

some possible further changes in the proposed new Rules.

He

suggested that the Committee plan on considering new Rules for final

adoption at either its May 23 or June 20 meeting.

Mr. Daane said he disagreed completely with Mr. Hackley's

conclusions on the first two questions.

It seemed to him if the

Treasury could ask for an exemptive Executive Order covering all

of its foreign currency operations, including those of the

Stabilization Fund, the Committee had a very strong case for such

an Order relating to its currency policy directives and other

records; the Committee's domestic open market operations had highly

important implications for "national defense and foreign policy."

He thought the Treasury's action was clearly illustrative of proper

approach.

Secondly, he did not understand why a 60-day time lag in

publishing the directives was more defensible than a 90-day lag.

If the directives were to be published, he would consider a 90-day

lag to be the minimum.

Mr. Hackley said he was suggesting that the Committee might

consider following the Treasury's course in requesting an exemptive

Executive Order with respect to its foreign currency operations.

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Mr. Daane replied that he would favor broadening the request

to cover domestic as well as foreign operations.

The domestic

operations of the Committee influenced the position of the national

economy relative to the rest of the world, and in his judgment they

could not be separated from other forces affecting the value of

the dollar.

Mr. Mitchell asked Mr. Hackley whether he had the Committee's

deliberations in mind when he referred to foreign currency operations.

Mr. Hackley replied that he had meant to refer not to the

Committee's deliberations but to information on foreign currency

transactions and to the authorization and directive regarding such

transactions.

He added that even if an exemptive Executive Order

was obtained the Committee could still publish those instruments,

as it had in the past.

Mr. Mitchell then said that he thought Mr. Daane's point

had merit.

The Committee's domestic policy decisions had important

international implications, and at times they were strongly moti

vated by international considerations, such as concern over capital

outflows.

If an exemption for the current policy directives could

be obtained by Executive Order, he thought the Committee should

request such an Order.

Mr. Hackley said that the possibility of getting an Executive

Order covering both domestic and foreign currency operations certainly

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could be explored, although he had some reservations as to whether

the effort would be successful.

Mr. Maisel remarked that he saw no reason for even exploring

the possibility of getting an Executive Order if a 90-day time lag

in publishing the directives appeared defensible.

In his judgment,

publication with such a time lag would not pose problems.

Mr. Brimmer noted that he had mentioned the possibility of

getting an Executive Order in the Committee's earlier discussion,

and Mr. Hackley had indicated some reluctance to pursue that

possibility at that time.

He (Mr. Brimmer) still felt that the

Committee needed some indication of the probability that it could

obtain a general exemption, within which it could work out appropriate

procedures for release of materials.

As to timing, he thought it

would be unfortunate if important issues were left to be resolved

until June 20, and he proposed that the Committee try to reach the

necessary decisions at its May 23 meeting.

Mr. Treiber remarked that he also would favor an exploration

of the possibility of getting an Executive Order covering all of the

Committee's operations.

Mr. Hackley then said that if it was agreeable to the

Committee the Legal Division would prepare a letter addressed to

the Justice Department requesting an Executive Order of the broadest

possible scope, exempting from publication in the Federal Register

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not only the foreign currency instruments but also the domestic

directives.

Mr. Daane suggested that the letter indicate that the Committee

was reviewing its general policies on publication.

Mr. Brimmer agreed, and added that it should be made clear

that if the Order was issued the Committee would still try to work

out the best possible procedures with respect to releasing informa

tion.

Chairman Martin then proposed that in view of the lateness

of the hour the Committee defer the planned discussion of its policy

on publication of information on drawings under the swap network

and on other System foreign currency operations, and no objections

were heard.

Chairman Martin then reported that the trilateral negotiations

among the United Kingdom, the United States, and Germany with respect

to the cost of maintaining troops in Germany had finally come to

a conclusion which Mr. McCloy would be announcing today.

One product

of the negotiations was a letter that had been addressed to him

(Chairman Martin) by President Blessing of the German Federal Bank,

stating that that Bank did not intend to convert any of its dollar

holdings to gold for the time being.

released today.

That letter probably would be

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Mr. Daane asked whether the letter did not simply reaffirm

a policy the Germans had been following, and the Chairman replied

affirmatively.

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Federal Open

Market Committee would be held on Tuesday, May 23, 1967, at 9:30 a.m.

Thereupon the meeting adjourned.

Secretary

ATTACHMENT A

CONFIDENTIAL (FR)

May 1, 1967

Draft of Current Economic Policy Directive for Consideration by the

Federal Open Market Committee at its Meeting on May 2, 1967

The economic and financial developments reviewed at this

meeting suggest that prospects for renewed economic expansion have

improved.

The adjustment of excessive inventories is proceeding,

with consumer buying strengthened and industrial output reduced

moderately. Average wholesale prices have declined recently, re

flecting reductions in farm and food prices and stability in prices

of industrial commodities; but unit labor costs in manufacturing have

risen further. Bank credit expansion has moderated in recent weeks

from its earlier rapid rate. Long-term interest rates have risen

considerably under the influence of heavy securities market financing

and more optimistic market appraisals of the business outlook, but

short-term yields have declined further following the recent reduction

in Reserve Bank discount rates. Interest rates abroad have continued

to decline and some further reductions have been made in foreign

central bank discount rates. The balance of payments deficit has

remained substantial despite some improvement in the foreign trade

surplus. In this situation, it is the Federal Open Market Committee's

policy to foster money and credit conditions, including bank credit

growth, conducive to renewed economic expansion, while recognizing

the need for progress toward reasonable equilibrium in the country's

balance of payments.

To implement this policy, while taking account of the current

Treasury financing, System open market operations until the next

meeting of the Committee shall be conducted with a view to maintaining

the prevailing conditions in the money market, and to attaining

somewhat easier conditions, insofar as the Treasury financing permits,

if bank credit appears to be expanding significantly less than

currently anticipated.

Cite this document
APA
Federal Reserve (1967, May 1). FOMC Minutes. Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve. https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19670502
BibTeX
@misc{wtfs_fomc_minutes_19670502,
  author = {Federal Reserve},
  title = {FOMC Minutes},
  year = {1967},
  month = {May},
  howpublished = {Fomc Minutes, Federal Reserve},
  url = {https://whenthefedspeaks.com/doc/fomc_minutes_19670502},
  note = {Retrieved via When the Fed Speaks corpus}
}